Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Akash Kakkar]

can you please provide the link for the tweet?

On 6/25/19, Payal Kapoor  wrote:
> hi,
> this might not be visible for folks who don't use Twitter, and i
> couldn't figure how to copy the content of the entire thread of almost
> 22 tweets.
> in essence, a scribe who went to assist in writing the SBI exam. he
> has brought forth the apathy and thoughtlessness in the entire process
> which is worth a read.
> it begs to be escalated and brought to the attention of authorities. i
> am certain there must have been some method to the madness, when this
> whole process was being put into place. i also know we have a vibrant
> and active community of visually impaired bankers on top of things.
> however, this reflects a lot on its own.
> if someone can figure how to get the thread in text, i'm sure many of
> you here would see what i mean.
> Read on...
>
>   Harsh (@harsh6363)
> 23/06/19, 12:54 PM
> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>
> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
> the process worked.
> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
> 1/n
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Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Payal Kapoor]

here it is. i was able to open it from the conversation so presumed
everyone would. i hope this works:
https://twitter.com/harsh6363/status/1142694845766492160?s=11

On 6/25/19, Akash Kakkar  wrote:
> can you please provide the link for the tweet?
>
> On 6/25/19, Payal Kapoor  wrote:
>> hi,
>> this might not be visible for folks who don't use Twitter, and i
>> couldn't figure how to copy the content of the entire thread of almost
>> 22 tweets.
>> in essence, a scribe who went to assist in writing the SBI exam. he
>> has brought forth the apathy and thoughtlessness in the entire process
>> which is worth a read.
>> it begs to be escalated and brought to the attention of authorities. i
>> am certain there must have been some method to the madness, when this
>> whole process was being put into place. i also know we have a vibrant
>> and active community of visually impaired bankers on top of things.
>> however, this reflects a lot on its own.
>> if someone can figure how to get the thread in text, i'm sure many of
>> you here would see what i mean.
>> Read on...
>>
>>  Harsh (@harsh6363)
>> 23/06/19, 12:54 PM
>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about
>> it.
>>
>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
>> the process worked.
>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
>> 1/n
>>
>> Download the Twitter app
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Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Austin Pinto]

these are all the messages by Harsh
‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.

Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.

Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
the process worked.
I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on Powai.
People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
together at the same centre.
As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
letter checking counter was borderline rude.
After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
building.
Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
anything gets stolen.
After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder.
As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I
was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic
guidelines and guidance, but no.
Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators.
What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb
impression and that's it.
Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer.
So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to
read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the
scribe, what answer option they wish to mark.
For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20
MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people
with disability and without disability.
To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the
difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without
disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by
their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet.
Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to
read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process
this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well,
obviously.
To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their
respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to
shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW.
Coming to the exam paper.
The questions were same for people with disability and people without
one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to
attempt same questions the only difference being the person gets 20
mins extra.
So basically imagine, you are assisting a visually impaired (VI)
person, for whom, you'd read out the questions and options, that
person has to retain that information and then tell the scribe what
option to choose.
Now imagine, a logical reasoning questions, arrangement type question,
where there are 7 things to be arranged, there are a few rules in
question, this goes here and that goes there and all of it, and having
to retain all that information without writing.
And then, figuring out the entire arrangement and telling your scribe
which option to choose.
There were 10+ questions based on this format on Logical Reasoning section.
Coming to english section, questions were like arrangement of
sentences to form a paragraph. FIB, identify wrong usage of word of
spelling.
I could see how the candidate I was with struggling to process this.
Like you have to retain all the information and answer.
And similarly, math section.

Coming to issues.
1. Why no proper arrangements for helping people with disability. If
authorities don't even care then why even make arrangement.
2. Why no proper arrangements to keep stuff?
3. Why can't staff be a bit more considerate?
4. Why can't the examination hall be

Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Payal Kapoor]

thanks for the transcribe Austin.

On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
> these are all the messages by Harsh
> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>
> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>
> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
> the process worked.
> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on
> Powai.
> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
> together at the same centre.
> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
> building.
> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
> anything gets stolen.
> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
> their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder.
> As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I
> was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic
> guidelines and guidance, but no.
> Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators.
> What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb
> impression and that's it.
> Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer.
> So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to
> read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the
> scribe, what answer option they wish to mark.
> For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20
> MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people
> with disability and without disability.
> To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the
> difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without
> disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by
> their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet.
> Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to
> read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process
> this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well,
> obviously.
> To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their
> respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to
> shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW.
> Coming to the exam paper.
> The questions were same for people with disability and people without
> one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to
> attempt same questions the only difference being the person gets 20
> mins extra.
> So basically imagine, you are assisting a visually impaired (VI)
> person, for whom, you'd read out the questions and options, that
> person has to retain that information and then tell the scribe what
> option to choose.
> Now imagine, a logical reasoning questions, arrangement type question,
> where there are 7 things to be arranged, there are a few rules in
> question, this goes here and that goes there and all of it, and having
> to retain all that information without writing.
> And then, figuring out the entire arrangement and telling your scribe
> which option to choose.
> There were 10+ questions based on this format on Logical Reasoning section.
> Coming to english section, questions were like arrangement of
> sentences to form a paragraph. FIB, identify wrong usage of word of
> spelling.
> I could see how the candidate I was with struggling to process this.
> Like you have to retain all the information and answer.
> And similarly, math section.
>
> Coming to issues.
> 1. Why no proper 

Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Austin Pinto]

and these are other peoples replies to the same thread.

yash
‏ @yadsul
I too have helped the visually challenged people write exams in Podar
college the arrangements were quite good, it was a mixture of regular
and challenged students, it was a written exam so I used to read out
the question and she used to dictate her answer.

Sukhada / سُکهَدا
Is there a common platform for people to register as scribes?

yash
We usually get messages on WhatsApp but check out this handle
@ummehaani13 , she herself is a visually challenged person and an
acheiver, she usually posts requirements as and when they arise. We
can do so much to help out.

Sukhada / سُکهَدا
Absolutely agree - so much more to do

Neeraj Kumar
Thank you for the describing the pathetic state of affairs that we
have in some of the govt system. Total lack of responsibility!

Elephant Lord
God bless you! India is a very bad place for disabled people! Forget
sympathy, people make crude jokes, ask why extra privilege etc. This
experience of yours would have revealed what a dog eat dog world we
have become!

Dog Mother Emoji: Leo
Really sad. And that must have been tough and challenging. Very nice
of you to voice this out and also to help the candidate!

Kapil Chopra
Amazing thread ! Thank you for sharing Harsh. You are the agent of change.

shahnazb
This is heartbreaking.

Gandhian with a Keyboard
Firstly, 20 minutes by itself sounds trivial but it must have been a
60 minutes Exam so it's 1/3rd the time. Secondly, they are being
judged against Candidates of their own kind on the same parameters.
Also, the Cut-Offs for Visually Impaired Candidates sometimes
breaches...
that of the Orthopedically Handicapped/ST candidates because a lot of
these Scribes are Paid 'Scholars'. Not saying that facilities
shouldn't be better for Law-abiding Visually Impaired Candidates but
do consider all aspects.

Slick
Dude, you need to lower your expectations!! Empathy, humanity , ethics
-- nothing. This is "no country for disabled people". Had it been
western countries or developed, you can expect. You need to accept the
reality/fact that no privileges will be given to disabled people.

Tamarella Emoji: Rainbow flag
Do you want to tag the institutes or someone else concerned to this thread?


On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
> these are all the messages by Harsh
> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>
> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>
> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
> the process worked.
> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM on
> Powai.
> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
> together at the same centre.
> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
> building.
> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
> anything gets stolen.
> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
> their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder.
> As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I
> was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic
> guidelines and guidance, but no.
> Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators.
> What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb
> impression and that's it.
> Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer.
> So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to
> read the question and the options and ca

[AI] AI help regarding PHP learning process.

[faiyaz attar]

Dear access Indians,

As the subject line indicates, I want to learn PHP coding language.

Please provide me any kind of online resources for the learning purpose
eagerly waiting for your responses.

Regards,

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Re: [AI] AI help regarding PHP learning process.

[Siva Suresh]

Hi.
first you need to be familiar with HTML and java script. if you like
to learn any web programming language just visit w3schools.com and
select the programming language. you will get PHP as well. hope this
helps.
Thank you. Shivasuresh

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Re: [AI] AI help regarding PHP learning process.

[faiyaz attar]

Hi shiva, I am familiar with HTML CSS Java and SQL. I am not familiar with
JavaScript.

I will work on the mentioned process accordingly

Thanks for your extreme help.

Regards,

Faiyaz. . .

.

On Tue 25 Jun, 2019, 3:21 PM Siva Suresh,  wrote:

> Hi.
> first you need to be familiar with HTML and java script. if you like
> to learn any web programming language just visit w3schools.com and
> select the programming language. you will get PHP as well. hope this
> helps.
> Thank you. Shivasuresh
>
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> >
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Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Asudani, Rajesh]

All other things are usual routine.
Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI.
Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing.
But we have done it ourselves...

Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago...


But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in  scribes in a package 
by paying almost half a lack rupees.
Excuse me for revealing current market rates!!


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Payal Kapoor
Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a 
scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

thanks for the transcribe Austin.

On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
> these are all the messages by Harsh
> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>
> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>
> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
> the process worked.
> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM
> on Powai.
> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
> together at the same centre.
> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
> building.
> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
> anything gets stolen.
> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
> their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder.
> As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I
> was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic
> guidelines and guidance, but no.
> Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators.
> What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb
> impression and that's it.
> Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer.
> So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to
> read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the
> scribe, what answer option they wish to mark.
> For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20
> MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people
> with disability and without disability.
> To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the
> difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without
> disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by
> their own self and also, they can write themselves use rough sheet.
> Now, considering a person with disability, for whom the scribe has to
> read the question, explain the options, this candidate, has to process
> this information, in case of VI, they cannot write because well,
> obviously.
> To add to that, 60 scribes are reading questions and options to their
> respective candidates in a room, where all are sitting shoulder to
> shoulder. How is anyone supposed to take the exam like that, HOW.
> Coming to the exam paper.
> The questions were same for people with disability and people without
> one. To put things in perspective, a person with disability has to
> attempt same questions the only difference being the person gets 20
> mins extra.
> So basically imagine, you are assisting a visually impaired (VI)
> person, for whom, you'd read out the questions and options, that
> person has to retain that information and then tell the scribe wha

[AI] The Hindu is asking for subscription? you are also facing the same dillemma?

[avinash shahi]

Now, major newspapers have posed new accessibility challenges and are
difficult to read. I'm unable to read 'today's paper' headlines of
Indian Express and HT at one page. And the Hindu is asking for
subscription like New York Times. Any of you also facing the same
problem? please revert.

-- 
Avinash Shahi

Research Associate
shahi88avin...@gmail.com
Centre for Law and Policy Research



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Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Prerna Sobti]

Hi 

Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are getting 
paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of competition 
and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their ethics
I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers saying 
that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! They put? 
On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very sad as pointed 
out in this email visually impaired people are far better competent because 
they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of visual assistance or use 
of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the same category thank you very 
much for bringing this to everybody’s notice Payal

Prerna Sobti 

> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> 
> All other things are usual routine.
> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI.
> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing.
> But we have done it ourselves...
> 
> Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago...
> 
> 
> But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in  scribes in a 
> package by paying almost half a lack rupees.
> Excuse me for revealing current market rates!!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of Payal Kapoor
> Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a 
> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
> 
> thanks for the transcribe Austin.
> 
>> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
>> these are all the messages by Harsh
>> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>> 
>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>> 
>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
>> the process worked.
>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
>> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM
>> on Powai.
>> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
>> together at the same centre.
>> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
>> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
>> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
>> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
>> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
>> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
>> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
>> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
>> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
>> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
>> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
>> building.
>> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
>> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
>> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
>> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
>> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
>> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
>> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
>> anything gets stolen.
>> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
>> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
>> their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
>> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
>> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us were seated, shoulder to shoulder.
>> As I didn't know what the process is how I am to help this person, I
>> was waiting and thinking may be they'll tell something, some basic
>> guidelines and guidance, but no.
>> Absolutely no help from the staff assisting there or the invigilators.
>> What they were focused on was to just get the goddam signature/thumb
>> impression and that's it.
>> Coming to the exam. The exam was entirely on computer.
>> So, how it works is, the questions will be served, the scribe has to
>> read the question and the options and candidate has to tell the
>> scribe, what answer option they wish to mark.
>> For people with disability, the ONLY extra bit was they'd get 20
>> MINUTES EXTRA to attempt the paper, the paper which is same for people
>> with disability and without disability.
>> To put things in perspective, imagine sitting for an exam, where the
>> difficulty level of exam is same for all, but a person without
>> disability is reading and processing the questions and options all by
>> their own self an

Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Rohit Trivedi]

I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can take up 
after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which they 
require in bank.

I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and writing 
skills ,  computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and finance.

When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear in the 
exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research and of 
course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not able to 
get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10




From: AccessIndia  on behalf of Prerna 
Sobti 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a 
scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

Hi

Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are getting 
paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of competition 
and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their ethics
I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers saying 
that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily! They put? 
On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very sad as pointed 
out in this email visually impaired people are far better competent because 
they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of visual assistance or use 
of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the same category thank you very 
much for bringing this to everybody’s notice Payal

Prerna Sobti

> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> All other things are usual routine.
> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI.
> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing.
> But we have done it ourselves...
>
> Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago...
>
>
> But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in  scribes in a 
> package by paying almost half a lack rupees.
> Excuse me for revealing current market rates!!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of Payal Kapoor
> Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a 
> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
>
> thanks for the transcribe Austin.
>
>> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
>> these are all the messages by Harsh
>> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>>
>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about it.
>>
>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
>> the process worked.
>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
>> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM
>> on Powai.
>> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
>> together at the same centre.
>> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
>> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
>> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
>> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
>> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
>> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
>> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
>> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
>> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
>> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
>> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
>> building.
>> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
>> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
>> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
>> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
>> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
>> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
>> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
>> anything gets stolen.
>> After this, I took this candidate to his respective examination hall.
>> If not more, this hall was meant for minimum of 60 candidates plus
>> their scribes. With   scribes, that makes 120 people in one hall. A
>> training hall where each desk has one system and seating for one ONLY.
>> But in such a facility, almost 120 of us 

Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.

[Austin Pinto]

yes.
like for example what is the use of direction and boats and streems in
banking i dont know. such questions are asked in exams.

On 6/25/19, Rohit Trivedi  wrote:
> I suggest that all V I Bankers shoul deliberate upon the tasks they can take
> up after they the job. The candidates must be tested on skill sets which
> they require in bank.
>
> I feel they must be tested for communication skills, both verbal and writing
> skills ,  computer, and adequate knowledge of banking procedures and
> finance.
>
> When the vacancies are year marked for them why should be require appear in
> the exam with the general lot. This requires in-depth thinking, research and
> of course lot of advocacy . Because those who are competent and are not able
> to get the writer who can help them in the exam get left out.
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
> 10
>
>
>
> 
> From: AccessIndia  on behalf of
> Prerna Sobti 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 9:22:04 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by a
> scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
>
> Hi
>
> Very interesting chain of post! To the reality might be that people are
> getting paid scribers but that is because of the increase in the level of
> competition and lack of facilities else nobody wants to challenge their
> ethics
> I know few of the bankers who face daily challenge from the co-workers
> saying that because they are visually impaired they get everything easily!
> They put? On the competency of visually impaired candidates which is very
> sad as pointed out in this email visually impaired people are far better
> competent because they do logical reasoning X Sectra without the help of
> visual assistance or use of rough sheets! We cannot judge everybody in the
> same category thank you very much for bringing this to everybody’s notice
> Payal
>
> Prerna Sobti
>
>> On 25-Jun-2019, at 4:32 PM, Asudani, Rajesh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> All other things are usual routine.
>> Except maybe, the issue of maths and reasoning being solved by VI.
>> Maybe, it is really unrealistic to expect that much of mental processing.
>> But we have done it ourselves...
>>
>> Maybe, the level was easier about two decades ago...
>>
>>
>> But what do you do when critical majority are bringing in  scribes in a
>> package by paying almost half a lack rupees.
>> Excuse me for revealing current market rates!!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Payal Kapoor
>> Sent: 25 June 2019 14:56
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] important read- a very insightful tweet thread shared by
>> a scribe who wrote the SBI exam for a visually impaired person.
>>
>> thanks for the transcribe Austin.
>>
>>> On 6/25/19, Austin Pinto  wrote:
>>> these are all the messages by Harsh
>>> ‏ @harsh6363 on this subject unchanged and its in 1 thread.
>>>
>>> Since it's been really bothering me, I think it's better I write about
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I went to assist one visually impaired candidate, as his
>>> scribe. This is the first time I was doing so and I didn't know how
>>> the process worked.
>>> I didn't anticipate I was in for a shocker.
>>> This was for SBI clerk prelim exam, which was scheduled for 4:30-6 PM
>>> on Powai.
>>> People with disability and without disability were taking the exam
>>> together at the same centre.
>>> As the candidate I was assisting arrived, we entered the centre. First
>>> shock was here, when I realised apart from having just a separate
>>> entrance, there was nothing done to assist these folks.
>>> What I mean is, no was ensuring that a proper queue is maintained.
>>> No one was telling scribe, who were there for the first time as to
>>> what they need to do or make sure. The staff sitting at enrollment
>>> letter checking counter was borderline rude.
>>> After getting scribe form and attaching his and mine documents, we
>>> were told to go to examination hall. Before any person could proceed
>>> to examination hall, they were to supposed to keep bags in shelves
>>> which were kept in an area which seemed like parking area of the
>>> building.
>>> Since a person cannot take mobile to hall, all were supposed to keep
>>> them in their bags and keep those bags in those shelves. Another
>>> shocker here, there was no lock facility here and the way crowd was
>>> just all over the place, no wonder if anything gets stolen from here.
>>> Imagine going for an exam, you are already stressed, then no
>>> arrangements for people with disability, and then having to leave all
>>> your stuff just like that, out on open with no to be accountable if
>>> anything gets stolen.
>>> After this, I took this candidate t

Re: [AI] Accessibility of Oracle 10g and R studio

[Pranav Lal]

Kanchan,

The java access bridge is a mechanism that communicates between java
applications and screen readers.  Enable it from within the ease of access
center if you are using Windows 10. Restart your screen reader and then see
if Oracle studio is accessible.

If Kriya is studying only basic database management, she can use sql * +
assuming that is still around to carryout database management tasks. Oracle
studio is not needed for the work she is doing.

Pranav




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Re: [AI] Accessibility of Oracle 10g and R studio

[Kriya Jain]

Ok. Pranav Lal ji. I will pass this info to her teacher.
Thank you.
Kanchan

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:02 AM Pranav Lal  wrote:

> Kanchan,
>
> The java access bridge is a mechanism that communicates between java
> applications and screen readers.  Enable it from within the ease of access
> center if you are using Windows 10. Restart your screen reader and then see
> if Oracle studio is accessible.
>
> If Kriya is studying only basic database management, she can use sql * +
> assuming that is still around to carryout database management tasks. Oracle
> studio is not needed for the work she is doing.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] The Hindu is asking for subscription? you are also facing the same dillemma?

[Kotian, H P]

Yes, even Times Of India app is having e-paper which is an image page.

PostJune 30,  we should take them all to task.

Harish.


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avinash shahi
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 6:49 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] The Hindu is asking for subscription? you are also facing the 
same dillemma?

Now, major newspapers have posed new accessibility challenges and are difficult 
to read. I'm unable to read 'today's paper' headlines of Indian Express and HT 
at one page. And the Hindu is asking for subscription like New York Times. Any 
of you also facing the same problem? please revert.

--
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[AI] Nationwide contest seeks to unearth and showcase talented blind cooks

[Ramya Venkitesh]

Source: https://newzhook.com/story/22635

The joy of cooking can be experienced by anyone, that's the driving thought
behind a cooking contest for visually impaired people to be held nationwide
soon.

Blind Masterchefs like Christine Ha have shown the world that given the
right tools and training, people with visual disabilities can cook and cook
well. Now, an upcoming cooking competition aims to give visually impaired
people the opportunity to pit their skills against each other.

Called Golden Eye Chef 2019, the cooking contest is an initiative of an NGO
called Antardrishti.  The contest is nationwide and will be held in Agra
from 17 to 20 October this year. The last date for registering for the
contest is 30 June, 2019.

Akhil Srivastava, managing trustee of Antardrishti, hopes to change the
outlook of society with this competition.

"Most people in society feel that blind people cannot be independent and
cook. The Golden Eye Chef competition will bring about the much needed
change in the perception of people. It will also help open employment
opportunities for blind people and motivate others to seek training in
cooking and be independent". - Akhil Srivastava, Managing Trustee, NGO
Antardrishti

Read on https://newzhook.com/story/22635

Thanks & Regards

Ramya Venkitesh |Head New Initiatives

Newz Hook  

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Re: [AI] AI help regarding PHP learning process.

[Sudeshna Bhattacharya]

Hi there
You may also check the below link for Php. Java script and mysql as
they are mostly used together , to develop a dynamic web page.In this
book,  the entire tutorial is available along with number of examples
to teach how they are used in combination with each other..
 http://lpmj.net

Thanks,
Sudeshna Bhattacharya

On 6/25/19, faiyaz attar  wrote:
> Hi shiva, I am familiar with HTML CSS Java and SQL. I am not familiar with
> JavaScript.
>
> I will work on the mentioned process accordingly
>
> Thanks for your extreme help.
>
> Regards,
>
> Faiyaz. . .
>
> .
>
> On Tue 25 Jun, 2019, 3:21 PM Siva Suresh, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>> first you need to be familiar with HTML and java script. if you like
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[AI] Download from Youtube.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

I downloaded Bengali audio stories from youtube for my old friends using the 
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http://convert2mp3.net/en/

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[AI] Tutorial on Screen Reader for begineers

[Akashdeep Bansal]

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know any good tutorial source for learning screen reader either
NVDA or JAWS for beginners?

Or any training center in Kanpur?

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Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app

[yes I am blind so what]

I too tried this app previously and, able to listen the audio
description on youtube movies as well.

After using this app, my suggestion is that,

all regional languages movies  audio description should be provided.

eagerly waiting for the audio description for the movie such as,
Malayalam movies, thamil movies, kannada movies, thelugu movies etc.

Unable to put the request on above link,so, posting in the list.

With regards,

Timy.

On 6/21/19, dipti prasad  wrote:
> Dear Shankar
> Thankyou for using xlcinema app.  With your support we will achieve
> great results.  After we prove users of mainstream cinema regional movie
> makers will also get convinced to allow us to make AD tracks.
> Please mention your demand as the review of the app on
> http://onelink.to/nrgxth
>
> Regards
> Dipti Prasad
>
> On Fri, 21 Jun, 2019, 6:42 PM C Shankar, 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I also experienced the
>>
>> xl cinema, but, the audio content of the files should also provided with
>> the indian regional languages.
>>
>>
>> On 6/20/2019 5:11 PM, dipti prasad wrote:
>> > Hi Viraj,
>> > Thankyou for using xlcinema app. Yes app can sync with movies playing on
>> > Netflix.
>> >
>> > Dipti Prasad
>> >
>> > On Thu, 20 Jun, 2019, 5:05 PM Viraj Kafle,  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >>
>> >> I have downloaded the app. My query is: can movie played on Youtube or
>> >> Netflix be also sinced with the app?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >>
>> >> Viraj
>> >>
>> >>> On 20-Jun-2019, at 1:37 PM, Kotian, H P  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Kanchan
>> >>>
>> >>> I checked, you can use a blue-tooth device. Otherwise, headphone is
>> >> mandatory. Again headphone is not mandatory for trailers.
>> >>> Harish.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 6:56 PM
>> >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> >> concerning the disabled.'
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
>> >>>
>> >>> Can I use the ap without headphones?
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> >> Behalf Of Kotian, H P
>> >>> Sent: 19 June 2019 14:16
>> >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> >> concerning the disabled.
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Abhisar
>> >>>
>> >>> I forwarded your concerns to her. However, you can also speak to her
>> >> directly on 09811787959- Dipti Prasad.
>> >>> She also welcomes any queries
>> >>> Regards
>> >>> Harish
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> >> Behalf Of Abhisar Waghmare
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:27 PM
>> >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> >> concerning the disabled.
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand the situation of the developers.
>> >>> I personally had a poor experience regarding the audio ticket
>> >> availability.
>> >>> I watched most of the movies even before the audio  ticket was made
>> >> available so that is the only issue I see from my side Lets try if we
>> can
>> >> get the film industry people release the audio tickets more sooner.
>> >>> Best Regards-
>> >>> Abhisar
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  On 19-Jun-2019, at 12:49, Kotian, H P  wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi
>> 
>>  The AD is released simuntaneously along with the movie launch. This
>> app
>> >> is made for that so that there is no wait for it.
>>  Regarding it not being available for all movies. The issue is
>> >> essentially there seems to be no numbers justifying budget towards it.
>> This
>> >> is essentially for us to show the numbers. One can get data how many
>> >> downloads were there for each movies.
>>  So far we were in a chicken and egg dilemma. We have now broken free
>> >> from it. It is possible to get exact umbers.
>>  The gap now seems from the VI community. not many folks have
>> downloaded
>> >> the app and those who have not downloaded the audio track.
>>  The ball is essentially in our court. If there is no demand for this
>> >> service, surely it is bound to die.
>>  The app developers have struck the panick button and have gone all
>>  out
>> >> to get the numbers. If we don't respond timely we will have to kiss it
>> good
>> >> bye.
>>  If the end users are facing any challenges, pl bring it forth. It
>> would
>> >> be possible to work it out. But there is no solution for apathy.
>>  Harish.
>> 
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>  Behalf Of Abhisar Waghmare
>>  Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 5:52 PM
>>  To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> >> concerning the disabled.
>>  Subject: Re: [A

Re: [AI] Tutorial on Screen Reader for begineers

[Siva Suresh]

Hi.

you will get tutorials for boeth jaws and NVDA. mostly screen reader
tutorials are easy to understand so i think there is no such thing
like beginner or advance. reach out to me offline.
Thank you. Shivasuresh

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> Hello everyone,
>
> Does anyone know any good tutorial source for learning screen reader either
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Re: [AI] Tutorial on Screen Reader for begineers

[bhawani shankar verma]

jaws itself have tutorial in it. open jaws window, go to jaws help topic. 
you can also download audio mp3 files from freedom scientific website.



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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:31 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Tutorial on Screen Reader for begineers

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know any good tutorial source for learning screen reader either
NVDA or JAWS for beginners?

Or any training center in Kanpur?

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Akashdeep Bansal


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Re: [AI] Download from Youtube.

[Vikas Kapoor]

Hi, Try some below mentioned websites:
https://www.onlinevideoconverter.com/youtube-converter
http://www.clipconverter.cc/
https://www.onlinevideoconverter.com/youtube-converter
Thanks.
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 

To: "AccessIndia" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 11:24 AM
Subject: [AI] Download from Youtube.



Hello,

I downloaded Bengali audio stories from youtube for my old friends using 
the following site:

http://convert2mp3.net/en/

This site is now showing up http 404 not found message. Please suggest 
some alternative for downloading items from youtube.


With best regards,
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[AI] SayEverything convention 2019, Noone is left behind, Let's walk together!

[Amit Bhatt]

Dear all,

It gives me an immense pleasure to invite you all in the 5th national 
convention of SayEverything group to be organised in association with 
Samarthanam Trust for the Disabled in Bengaluru, Karnataka on 14-15 September 
2019.

The theame for the SayEverything convention 2019 is: "Noone is left behind, 
let's walk together".

the two days convention will include various sessions and workshops on 
Disability inclusion, inclusive education, technology, empowering people with 
vision impairment and other topic of common interests to be conducted by some 
prominent speakers invited from across India.

Members will also be provided an opportunity to partake in competition, 
cultural program and social gathering.

Interested participants may get details for conference and register for the 
convention via online registration page at:

http://www.sayeverything.org/sayeverything-convention-2019-noone-is-left-behind-lets-walk-together/

The fee structure and registration charges for two days convention is as 
follows:

Registration for convention including accommodation: Rs. 2000 per person.

Registration for convention excluding accommodation: Rs. 600 per person.

If you are accompanied by your own escort for convention, the above fee will be 
applicable for the registration of your escort too.

Tea, snacks and food will be served to all the participants during entire 
program by us.

The accommodation facility would be made available from the evening of 13 Sep 
2019 till the morning of 16 September 2019.

Staying arrangement is made on sharing basis, 4 members will be accommodated in 
one room.

The detail of agenda for convention, convention norms, lodging facility and 
mode of payment for registration is available at the above given link.

The online registration for entries would be closed by 10th of August, 2019.

For more enquiry or any other information, you may directly reach me at: 
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Re: [AI] Tutorial on Screen Reader for begineers

[Aravind R]

NVDA also has inbuilt tutorial in its help

On 6/26/19, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
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> you can also download audio mp3 files from freedom scientific website.
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> Hello everyone,
>
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>
> Or any training center in Kanpur?
>
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[AI] Mid life blindness

[Kotian, H P]

Hi
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Harish.
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Hi!

Anyone on this group who have become blind or lost sight in their late 20s or 
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Please connect with me on 011 26472581

Best,

George


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Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app

[dipti prasad]

Dear timy

Thankyou for your email. Let's take this in steps: which movie were you
using the app for on YouTube?
Xlcinema makes AD tracks upon the content owners agreement so we need
approvals and permissions for the production houses.
The above link is for playstore/appstore. After downloading the app, one
can write a review. You comments and suggestions are important to create
awareness in the industry in proving the demand for AD tracks.

Regards
Dipti Prasad

On Wed, 26 Jun, 2019, 11:41 AM yes I am blind so what, 
wrote:

> I too tried this app previously and, able to listen the audio
> description on youtube movies as well.
>
> After using this app, my suggestion is that,
>
> all regional languages movies  audio description should be provided.
>
> eagerly waiting for the audio description for the movie such as,
> Malayalam movies, thamil movies, kannada movies, thelugu movies etc.
>
> Unable to put the request on above link,so, posting in the list.
>
> With regards,
>
> Timy.
>
> On 6/21/19, dipti prasad  wrote:
> > Dear Shankar
> > Thankyou for using xlcinema app.  With your support we will achieve
> > great results.  After we prove users of mainstream cinema regional movie
> > makers will also get convinced to allow us to make AD tracks.
> > Please mention your demand as the review of the app on
> > http://onelink.to/nrgxth
> >
> > Regards
> > Dipti Prasad
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Jun, 2019, 6:42 PM C Shankar, <
> shanka...@tech-accessibility.in>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> I also experienced the
> >>
> >> xl cinema, but, the audio content of the files should also provided with
> >> the indian regional languages.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6/20/2019 5:11 PM, dipti prasad wrote:
> >> > Hi Viraj,
> >> > Thankyou for using xlcinema app. Yes app can sync with movies playing
> on
> >> > Netflix.
> >> >
> >> > Dipti Prasad
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 20 Jun, 2019, 5:05 PM Viraj Kafle,  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hello,
> >> >>
> >> >> I have downloaded the app. My query is: can movie played on Youtube
> or
> >> >> Netflix be also sinced with the app?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> Viraj
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 20-Jun-2019, at 1:37 PM, Kotian, H P 
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi Kanchan
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I checked, you can use a blue-tooth device. Otherwise, headphone is
> >> >> mandatory. Again headphone is not mandatory for trailers.
> >> >>> Harish.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Original Message-
> >> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On
> >> >> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 6:56 PM
> >> >>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >> >> concerning the disabled.'
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Can I use the ap without headphones?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Original Message-
> >> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On
> >> >> Behalf Of Kotian, H P
> >> >>> Sent: 19 June 2019 14:16
> >> >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >> >> concerning the disabled.
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hi Abhisar
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I forwarded your concerns to her. However, you can also speak to her
> >> >> directly on 09811787959- Dipti Prasad.
> >> >>> She also welcomes any queries
> >> >>> Regards
> >> >>> Harish
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -Original Message-
> >> >>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in]
> On
> >> >> Behalf Of Abhisar Waghmare
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 1:27 PM
> >> >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> >> >> concerning the disabled.
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] Promoting XL cinema app
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I understand the situation of the developers.
> >> >>> I personally had a poor experience regarding the audio ticket
> >> >> availability.
> >> >>> I watched most of the movies even before the audio  ticket was made
> >> >> available so that is the only issue I see from my side Lets try if we
> >> can
> >> >> get the film industry people release the audio tickets more sooner.
> >> >>> Best Regards-
> >> >>> Abhisar
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>  On 19-Jun-2019, at 12:49, Kotian, H P  wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Hi
> >> 
> >>  The AD is released simuntaneously along with the movie launch. This
> >> app
> >> >> is made for that so that there is no wait for it.
> >>  Regarding it not being available for all movies. The issue is
> >> >> essentially there seems to be no numbers justifying budget towards
> it.
> >> This
> >> >> is essentially for us to show the numbers. One can get data how many
> >> >> downloads were there for each movies.
> >>  So far we were in a chicken and egg dilemma. We have now broken
> free
> >> >> from it. It is possible to get exact umbers.
> >>  The gap now seems from the VI community. not many folks have
> >> downloaded
> >> >> the app and those who have not dow