Re: [AI] Should we offer money as a tip to airlines staff or not?

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

i never paid anyone in Europe or |US.

i think portor  are not guideing us in anyware.

always the airline staf, and they never ask for it.


On 3/18/2024 6:23 AM, 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia wrote:


Not in India I am sure having travelled so many times.

However, in some foreign countries I had to pay to the portor for 
having me taken from the plain to the car parking $50.


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Let me tell this very frankly that I never offered anyone money as
tip ever in my life.

how do you come to this generalization that the lower level
staff expect money?

in the Indian context, the people who come to assist come with the
attitude of offering help usually.

it is demeaning if you hold your money before them without them
asking.

at least, that is how I think through my experience and understanding.

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[AI] Fwd: Now Your Friends And Family Can Offer You Personal Assistance Through Be My Eyes

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

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Subject: 	Now Your Friends And Family Can Offer You Personal Assistance 
Through Be My Eyes

Date:   Wed, 20 Dec 2023 22:10:59 +
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To: Mahendra Galani 



Now Your Friends And Family Can Offer You Personal Assistance Through Be 
My Eyes


Read this email online 



Hi Mahendra,

Be My Eyes is pleased to announce a major new feature called Be My Eyes 
Groups!


For years we’ve heard from our community that not every person is 
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kind. That’s why, starting today, Be My Eyes is offering a major new 
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In addition to our existing 7.1 million volunteers, now blind people 
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help with more personal and sensitive tasks you might not wish to share 
with an unknown volunteer – it’s your choice.


Maybe you need a friend or family member to confirm a medication. Or 
maybe you would feel more comfortable with a friend reviewing your paper 
mail. Surely among 20 friends and family members someone would be happy 
to help you out at the moment you need it. Now Be My eyes technology 
makes that easy. Once you’ve assembled your trusted group, just press 
the “My groups” button to connect with the first available person who is 
known to you.


To create a new group, click on “My groups” in the Be My Eyes App 
homepage and follow the instructions on the screen. After you have 
created and named your first group, you will be able to send an invite 
link to your friends and family members. You will find the link at the 
end of the group creation process. Once you’ve assembled your trusted 
circle, just press the Be My Eyes Groups button to connect with the 
first available person who is known to you. You can enter up to 20 
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[AI] anyone from Bombay is going to Goa for purpelfest?

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi Friends,

i am planning to travel to Goa on 10th Jan in the evening for three days 
for the purpelfest!!


anyone from \Bombay joining?


further if someone like to share the hotel room?

if yes, please wriet to me on

gal...@chello.at

or whatsapp call on

+43 670 771 54 56

many  thanks in advance.


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[AI] test mail, please confirm

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Re: [AI] A new Mastercard design is meant to make life easier for visually impaired users

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

we have here in Austria, Erste Bank is having 
printed in Braille the name of the bank!!

also we have our social security insurance card in Braille.
At 12:25 PM 11/9/2021 +0530, you wrote:

100% agree with you

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 11:16 AM, George Abraham 
<george.abrah...@gmail.com> wrote:


Not sure if they have identified the real 
problem. Most entities develop stuff for the 
blind without really any consultation. The 
challenge for many is the Pin and the touch 
screen POS. Identifying the card is not the No.1 problem.


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Subject: [AI] A new Mastercard design is meant 
to make life easier for visually impaired users


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The new Touch Cards from Mastercard have 
different-shaped notches cut into the sides to 
help customers who are visually impaired find 
the right card by touch alone. The Touch Card 
credit card has a round notch, the debit card 
has a squarish notch and the prepaid card has a triangular notch.


Mastercard

Approaching a register to pay for a morning 
coffee, for many, probably feels routine. The 
transaction likely takes no more than a few 
seconds: Reach into your wallet, pull out a debit or credit card and pay. Done.


But for customers who are visually impaired, the 
process of paying can be more difficult.


With credit, debit and prepaid cards moving 
toward flat designs without embossed names and 
numbers, bank cards all feel the same and cause 
confusion for people who rely on touch to discern differences.


One major financial institution is hoping that 
freshly designed bank cards, made especially for 
blind and sight-impaired customers, will make life easier.


Mastercard will distribute its new Touch Card — 
a bank card that has notches cutt into the sides 
to help locate the right card by touch alone — to UU.S. customers next year.


"The Touch Card will provide a greater sense of 
security, inclusivity and independence to the 
2.2 
billion peoplearound the world with visual 
impairments," Raja Rajamannar, chief marketing 
and communications officer, said in a statement. 
"For the visually impaired, identifying their 
payment cards is a real struggle. This tactile 
solution allows consumers to correctly orient 
the card and know which payment card they are using."


Credit cards have a round notch; debit cards 
have a broad, square notch; and prepaid cards 
have a triangular notch, the company said.


Virginia Jacko, who is blind and president and 
chief executive of Miami Lighthouse for the 
Blind and Visually Impaired Inc., 
told 
The 
Wall Street Journal that feature also addresses 
an important safety concern for people with vision problems.


People with vision problems would no longer have 
to ask strangers for help identifying which card they need to use, Jacko said.


The new feature was developed with the Royal 
National Institute of Blind People in the U.K. 
and VISIONS/Services for the Blind and Visually 
Impaired in the U.S., according to both organizations.


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Re: [AI] My column: Half a decade of lessons in accepting diversity

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi Shruti,
you write very well.
i specially liked your one line.
There might be nothing ‘divyang’ (divine) about certain disabled folk.
i would say for most fokes
, disabled or not.
keep it up.

At 06:38 PM 9/23/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hi all,

Read my latest column on the need to acknowledge 
persons with disabilities as people first.Â


"The disabled population is a heterogenous 
subset, just like any other citizen group. So 
why do we tend to paint them in a certain light?"


Here's the link to the piece-Â 
https://www.mxmindia.com/2021/09/shruti-pushkarna-half-a-decade-of-lessons-in-accepting-diversity/


Best,
Shruti

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Re: [AI] Banks with Accessible Current Accounts Web Interfaces

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

 I C I C I bank is quite good.
At 09:30 AM 9/21/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hi all, hope all are doing fine
I thought i put my bank related query in same 
discuss subject, rather making new subject discuss

Though my query not related to current account, but related to savings account
But doubt is same, how is accessibility of any 
banks for saving account for VI users
Pls suggest any accessible one which there app 
on IOS and website is fully accessible to VoiceOver.

Thanks


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> On 16-Sep-2021, at 1:39 PM, Sunil Sangtani. 
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> hi,
> if you are ok to maintain the avg balance of 1 per day, hdfc bank
> is a good choice.
>
> it is fully accessible
> as of now.
> you may need to fill captcha during initial setup or on some
> instances', apart from that, all is well.
>
> don't  go with icici bank as there corporate  banking is one of the worse.
>
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>> I  am looking at opening a new current 
account. Any suggestions which  bank

>> has the most accessible website and mobile interfaces for current account
>> holders? I am ok to opt in for any major 
national, private or international

>> bank.
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>> Thanks
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Re: [AI] Looking for someone building accessible websites

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hallo Payal,
 your reply was at end of the Mail,
please write at start of the mail, or else, members may not read.
At 09:53 PM 8/29/2021 +0530, you wrote:


On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 at 1:06 PM, Amar Jain 
<amarj...@amarjain.com> wrote:
Payal-happy to help. If you can be bit more 
specific with the scope and timeline, that will be ideal.


I am reachable on +91-9892622230.

Kind Regards,
Amar Jain

Sent from my iPhone

On 29-Aug-2021, at 12:34 PM, Nitin Dhaware 
<nitinzd1...@gmail.com> wrote:




Hello,
I develop websites web portals and mobile 
applications and also implement accessibility. 
Do write me off-list to discuss more.


Â

Kind Regards,

Nitin

Sent from Mail for Windows

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From: Payal Ki Jhankar
Sent: 28 August 2021 21:12
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Subject: [AI] Looking for someone building accessible websites

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Hi

Â

I'm looking to connect with somebody who builds 
websites, and makes them accessibile, of course.


The person needs to understand they are dealing 
with somebody who has no idea of what goes into 
the entire process – should be able to make 
useful, and consstructive suggestions, and be honest in the endeavour.


Would appreciate any recommendations.

Thanks

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Re: [AI] Disability Inclusion: How far are we from a Sugamya and Saksham Bharat?

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

i am not sure, who's jobs it is, is it Delhi 
government or Indian government responsibal?

At 12:58 PM 8/27/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Delhi being Capital of India here very few fecilities for Physically
disabled persons, for example only just 7000 disabled persons are
provided UDID card, however after a long Circus Yesterday I received
my UDID card that too online not hard copy, one hand Delhi Government
is planning for door to door Rashan Distribution why can't issue UDID
card door to door for Physically disabled persons residing in Delhi.

On 8/27/21, kota prabhu  wrote:
> a  small off topic: i  took a  lot of effort in applying for railway
> card few years ago,
> gathered all required documents, filled the form with assistance,
> aquired latest railway pass from govt hospital and submitted in the
> district railway station hoping for an id card,
> but they
> just misplaced it and it is lost
>
>
> On 27/08/2021, shruti pushkarna  wrote:
>> Thank you Mahendra and Mangal. Yes, I'm aware of the gravity of this
>> issue
>> and how many people are impacted by it. This piece was a small step to
>> highlight the problem, but consistent advocacy needs to be done for those
>> in power to take notice and intervene in the implementation process.
>> Policies and decisions are taken in air conditioned rooms by officials
>> who
>> are disconnected from the ground level challenges of rollout and the
>> benefits reaching the last mile user.
>>
>> *Best,*
>> *Shruti*
>> +91 9818777201
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 11:14 PM Mangal Hazra 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Respected Madam ,
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to extend my heartfelt gratitude to highlight , for
>>> publishing my /our most neglected issue in the media even since 2016 so
>>> many mails to every possible authority  even PG portal with every
>>> possible
>>> details like geotagging in software but no one there to listen .
>>>
>>>
>>> In 2019 raised docket in PG Portal DODAF/E/2019/00229 case closed with
>>> remarks : *UDID work recently started in West Bengal. You will receive a
>>> card soon as work has started in all districts of your state.  *
>>>
>>> Your application current status: Your application status is submitted.
>>> You
>>> may contact to your District Medical authority for further action
>>> (1915016100029048) *where as no District Welfare Office , contact
>>> number , email found in offcial
>>> https://www.swavlambancard.gov.in/districtWelfareOffice
>>> <https://www.swavlambancard.gov.in/districtWelfareOffice> page  means
>>> lack
>>> of information*
>>>
>>> Rajya Sabha Unstarred Question. No. 1917 (copy attached ) with following
>>>  data which is self explanatory about the progress.
>>>
>>>
>>> (a) The Department of Empowerment of Persons with Disabilities is
>>> implementing the Unique Disability Identification (UDID) Project. The
>>> UDID
>>> Project is operated through portal www.swavlambancard.gov.in which is
>>> hosted on MC cloud since May 2016. The first UDID card was generated on
>>> 27th January 2017.
>>> (b) and (c) As on 28.07.2021, 59.19 lakh UDID cards have been generated.
>>> The details of the UDID cards generated State/UT-wise are at Annexure.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Below 1*
>>> DELHI7.156
>>> *WEST BENGAL 9  (only )*
>>> LADAKH 410
>>> LAKSHADWEEP 505
>>> NAGALAND 798
>>> DADRA NAGAR HAVELI AND DAMAN AND DIU 1,073
>>> ARUNACHAL PRADESH 1,388
>>> SIKKIM 2,037
>>> GOA 2,333
>>> MANIPUR 2,648
>>> MIZORAM 3,079
>>> ANDAMAN AND NICOBAR ISLANDS 4,169
>>> CHANDIGARH 5,341
>>> TRIPURA 5,861
>>>
>>>
>>> *Issued  1 -5*
>>> UTTARAKHAND 11,169
>>> PUDUCHERRY 14,355
>>> JHARKHAND 15,505
>>> MEGHALAYA 22,076
>>> JAMMU AND KASHMIR 33,657
>>> HIMACHAL PRADESH 42,571
>>> HARYANA 45,901
>>> ASSAM 56,661
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Please consider the environment before printing this email.]
>>>
>>>   "Accessibility" - It's the only way to roll.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 12:16 PM 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia <
>>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Shruti , you wrote very well,
>>

Re: [AI] Disability Inclusion: How far are we from a Sugamya and Saksham Bharat?

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi Shruti , you wrote very well,
 quite balance.
At 11:19 AM 8/26/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hi all,

Sharing my latest column from my fortnight series on Disability and Media.

https://www.mxmindia.com/2021/08/shruti-pushkarna-disability-inclusion-how-far-are-we-from-a-sugamya-and-saksham-bharat/

Best,
Shruti Pushkarna
Twitter:Â @shruti pushkarnaÂ
Mobile: 9818777201

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Re: [AI] Switching from android to ios

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi Avichal,
i dont know about any tutorials,
however hearing from many people, who
 have come to Iphone,
 have found it much more easyer.
good luck.

At 04:04 PM 8/7/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hello list members,
After my 9 years long association with android, I have finally decided
to be an ios user and hence have ordered Iphone 12.
So, I will be really grateful if anybody could share with me tutorials
which guide the beginners to operate ios with the help of voiceover.
Thanks,
Avichal

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Re: [AI] About Income Tax EFiling.

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Bhawani, that because, if you have paid tax or not, the website will 
open or not, as case may be!!

ha ha ha.
02:46 PM 7/31/2021 +0530, you wrote:
also opening at the time of website. most of the times it take too 
long to open.




- Original Message - From: "Vikas Kapoor" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] About Income Tax EFiling.



As I already said, by increasing or decreasing the screen zoom, you
can easily control your luck.

On 31/07/2021, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:

the site is accessible but very tricky. your luck should favour you whenever
you try to open and explore it.

  - Original Message -
  From: Amiyo Biswas
  To: AccessIndia
  Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2021 10:46 AM
  Subject: [AI] About Income Tax EFiling.


  Hello,

  I was trying the e filing site, particularly for 26AS credit details. The
site seems too slow and cumbersome. Is it fully accessible? I could not
reach the 26AS pabe.

  With best regards,
  Amiyo Biswas
  Cell: 6290527506 / 9433464329


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Re: [AI] Braille assistive device with smart phones

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

and Sandeep, is the product from Inndia?
At 07:30 PM 7/30/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hi Sandeep,
Could you please share some more details about this device?
Where can we get it from, its complete features list and price.
On 7/30/21, Sandeep Singh  wrote:
> Let me make it more clear. This product claims it will allow us to
> open apps, input text, receive and disconnect calls, and so on. All
> this time you can easily keep your phone inside a bag while using
> earphones. The device is a palm-sized one that can fit a pocket.
>
> Regards
> Sandeep
> Does that sound useful?
>
> On 7/30/21, madhu singhal  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>> On Behalf Of Nirmal Verma
>> Sent: 30 July 2021 14:32
>> To: accessindia 
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Braille assistive device with smart phones
>>
>>
>>
>> You can try orbit writer Braille keyboard. Best keyboard for iphones.
>> Android users should not buy this at this moment. Costs 5000 rupees  plus
>> taxes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nirmal
>>
>> 7007869291
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 1:44 PM Sandeep Singh >  > wrote:
>>
>> This device will be connected through blue tooth only. According to
>> them, it's very small and handy and can be used even in crowded places
>> easily.
>>
>> On 7/30/21, Tanmay Srivastava >  > wrote:
>>> Any kind of device which can be connected through bluetooth like smart
>>> Braille wach may be useful.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2021, 11:36 AM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia <
>>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in  >
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Dear friend, in iphone braille is very much exists.
 No separate device same 6 dots using our fingers on iphone to type
 either
 open braille or contractions.
 Thanks

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 From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 
 >>>  > On
 Behalf Of Sandeep Singh
 Sent: Friday, July 30, 2021 11:34 AM
 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
 
 Subject: [AI] Braille assistive device with smart phones

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 Dear friends
 Hope you are keeping well and safe.

 Do we have braille assistive devices for smart phones available? How
 can
 they be useful? A friend received some info about a Swiss company
 making
 portable braille keypads that can be easily carried around. Do you
 think
 such devices really help? I can ask him to share more information if
 this
 seems useful.

 Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Re: [AI] Activist in wheelchair gets city disabled-friendly road

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

the problem is that of implementation.
keep fighting.
good luck.


At 12:16 AM 7/29/2021 +0530, you wrote:


Mam,

MPD 2041 itself talks about mobility.

I am attaching the same.

I hope they will work on this.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 7:57 PM Kanchan Pamnani 
<kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:


Don’t worry if there are no minutes-just write 
a letter/email recalling the meeting and what was decided there.


The only reason I am being persistent is that it has worked with us.

K

Â

From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Tanmay Srivastava

Sent: 28 July 2021 18:25
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Activist in wheelchair gets city disabled-friendly road

Â

Ok mam,

First of all I will try to find out minutes of the meeting.

Then I will do that.

Â

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 5:52 PM Kanchan Pamnani 
<kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:


Tanmay,

Please try and minute that meeting.

Then ask your sighted friends to tell you which 
pavements are being used as parking spots.


Recheck

Then write a letter to the Authority.

Kanchan  Â

Â

From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Tanmay Srivastava

Sent: 28 July 2021 17:07
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Activist in wheelchair gets city disabled-friendly road

Â

In delhi, the main problematic thing is that, 
people use footpaths as a parking place.


Few months ago a public consultation was held 
for MPD 2041 in the context of people with disabilities.


In that consultation I highlighted the same issue and they acknowledged.

Â

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 3:53 PM Avichal Bhatnagar 
<coolavic...@gmail.com> wrote:


Excellent work.
The same was also pushed for by disability activists in Delhi and even
the high court gave instructions but nothing concrete has been
achieved in making footpaths accessible.


On 7/28/21, Kanchan Pamnani 
<kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 7/28/2021 Activist in wheelchair gets city disabled-friendly road - The
> Times Of India - Mumbai, 7/28/2021
> 
https://epaper.timesgroup.com/Olive/ODN/TimesOfIndia/PrintArticle.aspx?doc=T

> OIM%2F2021%2F07%2F28&entity=ar00523&ts=202107280104. 1/1 Jasmina Khanna
> pursued BMC relentlessly to make a key road in Vile Parle universally
> accessible Activist in wheelchair gets city disabled[1]friendly road
> 
nitasha.n...@timesgroup.com 
Mumbai: Part of a key Vile Parle road has been

> transformed after an activist with cerebral palsy doggedly pursued BMC to
> make it universally accessible. A 400-metre stretch of Nehru Road now has a
> wider footpath with tactile indicators for the visually challenged and kerb
> ramps for wheelchair users. Encouraged by the transformation, Jasmina
> Khanna
> is now pushing for accessibility for other streets and public amenities in
> the city. She has her sights trained on Juhu and Andheri areas. "Guidelines
> for accessibility were laid down by the central government a few years ago
> but implementation was lacking," said Khanna, a software tester, who during
> her trips overseas had noticed how infrastructure was planned keeping the
> differently abled in mind.
>
> In 2018, Jasmina Khanna, a software tester with cerebral palsy, and her
> physiotherapist, Sanket Khadilkar, carried out a survey of public amenities
> in Vile Parle (East) with an aim to make these universally accessible. The
> duo then went to the BMC with their findings and hired an architecture firm
> to create designs of the interventions needed. The BMC finally began work
> on
> Nehru Road earlier this year, but it was no cakewalk. "We had to remove
> obstructions so that the footpaths could be widened to at least two metres
> for a wheelchair to pass," said assistant engineer Sambhaji Dorugade of the
> BMC's K-East ward. Encroached spaces had to be taken back from shopkeepers,
> who were not too happy about it. The municipal team replaced paver blocks
> with concrete. Tactile indicators were laid on the footpath and warning
> signs were provided around trees, streetlights and electric boxes for
> guiding the visually challenged. "One of our suggestions was to give the
> kerb ramps a rough surface so that wheelchairs don't skid," said architect
> Parul Kumtha, who is working alongside Khanna and Khadilkar for the
> initiative and has prior experience in creating inclusive spaces. Then,
> just
> before lockdownlike restrictions were applied, the group met the additional
> municipal commissioner (projects) to explain about their work. He 

Re: [AI] what Board games would you like to play

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

sure, do you have chess boart?

if yes, you can join and start playing.
At 02:11 PM 7/27/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Thank you Nirmal,Sourabh and Mahendra sir for all your suggestions.
I am definitely interested to join the chess 
group.However since I have never played 
blindfold chess,I would like to first practice 
and then I would definitely mail you Mahendra sir.


On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 1:06 PM, 'Mahendra 
Galani' via AccessIndia 
<<mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>accessindia@accessindia.org.in> wrote:

Hi Ruhin
we have chess group on skype, if you like to play with fellow human.

we organise Tournament in skype.
if you are intrested, write to me privately.
my mail id is
<mailto:gal...@chello.at>gal...@chello.at
At 05:44 PM 7/26/2021 +0530, you wrote:

>Hello Ruhin
>
>You can play chess very easily without eyesight.
>Â  Â  * There are lost of bord available for us.
>Â  Â  * You can use Chess Moves, Chess studio, Chess wise ETC IOS app.
>Â  Â  * You can also play
> 
<<http://www.lichess.org>http://www.lichess.org>www.lichess.org 
with help of NVDA.

>
>
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>Sourabh Mishra
>
>
>
>From: <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>accessindia@accessindia.org.in
><<mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>accessi 
n...@accessindia.org.in> On Behalf Of Ruhin Bhattasali

>Sent: 26 July 2021 17:24
>To: <mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>Subject: Re: [AI] what Board games would you like to play
>
>
>
>Hi Nirmal
>
>
>
>I am interested in playing chess.
>
>Before when I had better eyesight I used to play
>on a normal chess board but now I am facing a
>few problems while playing by touching pieces.
>So I have a few questions regarding chess.
>
>1. For playing chess we must observe all pieces
>at the same time to visualise the next moves and
>to play a good game which is not possible by
>touching the pieces one by one. Also it is
>difficult to memorize the position of all pieces every time after few moves
>
>2. Many times a piece might fall down when we
>touch which could hamper the game. So does the
>chess board you are providing resolve this issue?
>
>3. Do you know any app where visually impaired
>people can play chess using voiceover or NVDA?
>
>If you have suggestions regarding any of the
>above mentioned problems please reply.
>
>Thank you
>
>Ruhin
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 11:18 AM, Nirmal Verma
><<mailto:nirmalkat...@gmail.com><mailto:nirmalk 
at...@gmail.com>nirmalkat...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Dear Nidhi ji
>
>
>
>Greetings!
>
>
>
>Thanks a lot for all your words! It is so kind
>of you to take steps to promote the board games.
>
>Almost all the games are very famous games and
>tons of details are available about them. I am
>giving links for some of them here so that you
>dont have to go and search for every game
>
>1. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_men%27s_morris>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_men%27s_morris>Nine 
mens morris

>
>
>
>2. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash-guti>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash-guti>Dash 
guti

>
>
>
>3. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagh-Chal>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagh-Chal>Bagh 
Chaal

>
>
>
>4. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-tac-toe>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tic-tac-toe>Tic 
Tac toe

>
>
>
>5. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambs_and_Tigers>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambs_and_Tigers>Aadu 
puli attam

>
>
>
>6. 
<<https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/22446/kotu-elima>https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/22446/kotu-elima>Kotu 
elima

>
>
>
>7. 
<<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surakarta_(game)>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surakarta_(game)>surakarta

>
>
>
>There are many more games in the catalogue. You
>can get their details over internet.
>
>I can be contacted through email and telephone.
>
>
>
>My contact nos is 7007869291,
>
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>
>Nirmal
>
>
>
>On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 18:31,
><<mailto:nidhigoyal...@gmail.com><mailto:nidhig 
oyal...@gmail.com>nidhigoyal...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Hi Nirmal
>
>This is fascinating. Is there a place where I
>could read the description of these games and
>also how does one get in touch with you- could
>you share your contact details here or directly
>at 
<mailto:nidhigoyal...@gmail.com><mailto:nidhigoyal...@gmail.com>nidhigoyal...@gmail.com

>
>Also please do let me know if you have put this
>information out on social me

RE: [AI] what Board games would you like to play

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi Ruhin
we have chess group on skype, if you like to play with fellow human.

we organise Tournament in skype.
if you are intrested, write to me privately.
my mail id is
gal...@chello.at
At 05:44 PM 7/26/2021 +0530, you wrote:


Hello Ruhin

You can play chess very easily without eyesight.
   * There are lost of bord available for us.
   * You can use Chess Moves, Chess studio, Chess wise ETC IOS app.
   * You can also play 
www.lichess.org with help of NVDA.






Regards

Sourabh Mishra



From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
 On Behalf Of Ruhin Bhattasali

Sent: 26 July 2021 17:24
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] what Board games would you like to play



Hi Nirmal



I am interested in playing chess.

Before when I had better eyesight I used to play 
on a normal chess board but now I am facing a 
few problems while playing by touching pieces. 
So I have a few questions regarding chess.


1. For playing chess we must observe all pieces 
at the same time to visualise the next moves and 
to play a good game which is not possible by 
touching the pieces one by one. Also it is 
difficult to memorize the position of all pieces every time after few moves


2. Many times a piece might fall down when we 
touch which could hamper the game. So does the 
chess board you are providing resolve this issue?


3. Do you know any app where visually impaired 
people can play chess using voiceover or NVDA?


If you have suggestions regarding any of the 
above mentioned problems please reply.


Thank you

Ruhin





On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 11:18 AM, Nirmal Verma 
<nirmalkat...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear Nidhi ji



Greetings!



Thanks a lot for all your words! It is so kind 
of you to take steps to promote the board games.


Almost all the games are very famous games and 
tons of details are available about them. I am 
giving links for some of them here so that you 
dont have to go and search for every game


1. Nine mens morris



2. Dash guti



3. Bagh Chaal



4. Tic Tac toe



5. Aadu puli attam



6. Kotu elima



7. surakarta



There are many more games in the catalogue. You 
can get their details over internet.


I can be contacted through email and telephone.



My contact nos is 7007869291,



Regards



Nirmal



On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 18:31, 
<nidhigoyal...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Nirmal

This is fascinating. Is there a place where I 
could read the description of these games and 
also how does one get in touch with you- could 
you share your contact details here or directly 
at nidhigoyal...@gmail.com


Also please do let me know if you have put this 
information out on social media or otherwise, I 
would like to personally and through my 
organisation support you in promoting this.


Thanks a lot for all your important work.

Regards

Nidhi Goyal

Founder and Executive Director: Rising Flame

A National Award Winning organisation

Www.risingflame.org

Global civil society advisor: UN Women

President: Association for Women’s Rights in Development

Core group on PWD: NHRC India

Diversity and Inclusion task force: FICCI

+919820529792





From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
On Behalf Of rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com

Sent: 24 July 2021 15:51
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] what Board games would you like to play



Nirmal, can you please share how you have made 
these games accessible? I’d definitely like to buy some.






Rahul



From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in> 
On Behalf Of Nirmal Verma

Sent: Friday, July 23, 2021 12:41 PM
To: accessindia 
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>

Subject: [AI] what Board games would you like to play



Dear Friends



I have adapted a few board games and are now 
available for order. The games immediately available are




1. Nine mens morris



2. Baagh chaal



3. Tic tac toe (three in a row and four in a row both are available)



4. Solah guti (3 to four games can be played on same board)



5. Alquerque



6. Surakarta



7.  Brain Vita



You can play with a sighted person or with a non 
sighted friend and enjoy it. if you want 
something other than these games then you can 
write to me off the group and we will make those gam

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

well, this i would called, one track mind.
no matter what you say,
your arguments are twisted to suit the argument.

after valid points raised by Nidhi,Viraf and Anirudh
most is spoken.,in my opinion.

At 05:33 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:

It is really shocking to see that some who were luckily treated as
equal by their families are trying to make blatant generalisations on
this issue, not realising that their case was an exception rather than
the norm.
By putting arguments devoid of any touch with ground reality, all such
people have exposed that they are at best armchair disability critics.



On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> destany my friend Vivek.
> that part of my story some other time.
>
> At 05:10 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>Then instead of living with your family and brothers then why went to
>>Austria and settled, because of fed up off Indian society and went to
>>Austria, Hahaa
>>
>>On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
>> wrote:
>> > in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before
>> > that, turn blind at the age of 12 in year 1972,
>> > since both my older brothers were not so good at school
>> > , could not get good paying jobs.
>> > my mom was supplying milk
>> >   in our neighbourhood to supplement meagre income.
>> >
>> > i am proud
>> >   of my family, who provided me  further aducation, inspite of
>> all the odds.
>> > .
>> >
>> > luckily there thhinking was positive, unlike some of our friends here.
>> > At 12:32 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>> >>Hi Friends,
>> >>
>> >>I belong to a lower middle class family and have not been treated in
>> >>any way that compromised my dignity.  Also, I know of many people with
>> >>disabilities who have done well despite their disabilities and lower
>> >>socioeconomic background.  I have never had servants or any help and
>> >>in fact, I hate to depend upon sighted folks unless there is something
>> >>that just cannot be attained due to lack of vision.
>> >>
>> >>I am surprised that people with disabilities also count themselves as
>> >>nonpersons.  Good luck disabled community since we are our own
>> >>destroyer.   Let us then also ask for repeal of Rights of Persons with
>> >>Disabilities Act, 2016 as we don't really exist.
>> >>
>> >>And, Avichal, Mahendra has risen from a lower middle class family in
>> >>Mumbai who was educated in a school for the blind.  Let us not have
>> >>any political agenda while discussing issues.  Having said all this, I
>> >>will always fight for your right to express your views as that is the
>> >>liberty that we must subscribe to .
>> >>
>> >>Stay safe.
>> >>
>> >>Ketan
>> >>
>> >>On 19/07/2021, rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the
>> >> > discussion
>> >> > on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to
>> >> > speak.
>> >> > If
>> >> > we
>> >> > cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of
>> >> > ableism
>> >> > and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this
>> >> > group
>> >> > down and go home. These words sound harsh, I know, but nothing less
>> >> > would
>> >> > suffice to respond to the insensitivity displayed by those
>> >> > supporting
>> >> > the
>> >> > provisions at issue. Here are my thoughts.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > First, please understand what this provision [S. 15] seeks to do. It
>> >> > seeks
>> >> > to inscribe into law a provision that would say that the rule that
>> >> > you
>> >> > can
>> >> > only have two children, created by this law, will not apply in the
>> >> > event
>> >> > that you have a disabled child. In such cases, you are entitled to
>> >> > have
>> >> > three children. In other words, the Bill says that a disabled child
>> >> > simply
>> >> > does not count as a child. It says that, as parents, you are entitled
>> >> > to
>> >> > a
>> >> > do over if a child with a disab

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

destany my friend Vivek.
that part of my story some other time.

At 05:10 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Then instead of living with your family and brothers then why went to
Austria and settled, because of fed up off Indian society and went to
Austria, Hahaa

On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before
> that, turn blind at the age of 12 in year 1972,
> since both my older brothers were not so good at school
> , could not get good paying jobs.
> my mom was supplying milk
>   in our neighbourhood to supplement meagre income.
>
> i am proud
>   of my family, who provided me  further aducation, inspite of 
all the odds.

> .
>
> luckily there thhinking was positive, unlike some of our friends here.
> At 12:32 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>Hi Friends,
>>
>>I belong to a lower middle class family and have not been treated in
>>any way that compromised my dignity.  Also, I know of many people with
>>disabilities who have done well despite their disabilities and lower
>>socioeconomic background.  I have never had servants or any help and
>>in fact, I hate to depend upon sighted folks unless there is something
>>that just cannot be attained due to lack of vision.
>>
>>I am surprised that people with disabilities also count themselves as
>>nonpersons.  Good luck disabled community since we are our own
>>destroyer.   Let us then also ask for repeal of Rights of Persons with
>>Disabilities Act, 2016 as we don't really exist.
>>
>>And, Avichal, Mahendra has risen from a lower middle class family in
>>Mumbai who was educated in a school for the blind.  Let us not have
>>any political agenda while discussing issues.  Having said all this, I
>>will always fight for your right to express your views as that is the
>>liberty that we must subscribe to .
>>
>>Stay safe.
>>
>>Ketan
>>
>>On 19/07/2021, rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> > I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the
>> > discussion
>> > on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to speak.
>> > If
>> > we
>> > cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of
>> > ableism
>> > and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this
>> > group
>> > down and go home. These words sound harsh, I know, but nothing less
>> > would
>> > suffice to respond to the insensitivity displayed by those supporting
>> > the
>> > provisions at issue. Here are my thoughts.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > First, please understand what this provision [S. 15] seeks to do. It
>> > seeks
>> > to inscribe into law a provision that would say that the rule that you
>> > can
>> > only have two children, created by this law, will not apply in the
>> > event
>> > that you have a disabled child. In such cases, you are entitled to have
>> > three children. In other words, the Bill says that a disabled child
>> > simply
>> > does not count as a child. It says that, as parents, you are entitled to
>> > a
>> > do over if a child with a disability is born to you.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Second, if the above does not constitute a frontal assault to the
>> > dignity
>> > of
>> > disabled bodies, I wonder what does. If the above provision does not
>> > negate
>> > the personhood of the disabled, I wonder what does. If the above
>> > provision
>> > does not inscribe into law the most horrific stereotypes about having a
>> > disability that we all seek to confront everyday in direct and indirect
>> > ways, I wonder what does.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Third, to say that the bill would have been criticized even if it did
>> > not
>> > have such a provision and hence we should just put up with our
>> > statutorily
>> > sanctioned humiliation and negation, I am sorry to say, reflects a way
>> > of
>> > thinking that is dismissive at best and appallingly discriminatory at
>> > worst.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Fourth, the claim that the criticism of the provision is only academic
>> > and
>> > is divorced from prevailing ground realities is an equally problematic
>> > view.
>> > It is true that many still view having a disabled child as a curse.
>> > That
>> > they feel that a disabled offsp

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before 
that, turn blind at the age of 12 in year 1972,

since both my older brothers were not so good at school
, could not get good paying jobs.
my mom was supplying milk
 in our neighbourhood to supplement meagre income.

i am proud
 of my family, who provided me  further aducation, inspite of all the odds. .

luckily there thhinking was positive, unlike some of our friends here.
At 12:32 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Hi Friends,

I belong to a lower middle class family and have not been treated in
any way that compromised my dignity.  Also, I know of many people with
disabilities who have done well despite their disabilities and lower
socioeconomic background.  I have never had servants or any help and
in fact, I hate to depend upon sighted folks unless there is something
that just cannot be attained due to lack of vision.

I am surprised that people with disabilities also count themselves as
nonpersons.  Good luck disabled community since we are our own
destroyer.   Let us then also ask for repeal of Rights of Persons with
Disabilities Act, 2016 as we don't really exist.

And, Avichal, Mahendra has risen from a lower middle class family in
Mumbai who was educated in a school for the blind.  Let us not have
any political agenda while discussing issues.  Having said all this, I
will always fight for your right to express your views as that is the
liberty that we must subscribe to .

Stay safe.

Ketan

On 19/07/2021, rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com  wrote:
> I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the
> discussion
> on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to speak. If
> we
> cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of
> ableism
> and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this group
> down and go home. These words sound harsh, I know, but nothing less would
> suffice to respond to the insensitivity displayed by those supporting the
> provisions at issue. Here are my thoughts.
>
>
>
> First, please understand what this provision [S. 15] seeks to do. It seeks
> to inscribe into law a provision that would say that the rule that you can
> only have two children, created by this law, will not apply in the event
> that you have a disabled child. In such cases, you are entitled to have
> three children. In other words, the Bill says that a disabled child simply
> does not count as a child. It says that, as parents, you are entitled to a
> do over if a child with a disability is born to you.
>
>
>
> Second, if the above does not constitute a frontal assault to the dignity
> of
> disabled bodies, I wonder what does. If the above provision does not negate
> the personhood of the disabled, I wonder what does. If the above provision
> does not inscribe into law the most horrific stereotypes about having a
> disability that we all seek to confront everyday in direct and indirect
> ways, I wonder what does.
>
>
>
> Third, to say that the bill would have been criticized even if it did not
> have such a provision and hence we should just put up with our statutorily
> sanctioned humiliation and negation, I am sorry to say, reflects a way of
> thinking that is dismissive at best and appallingly discriminatory at
> worst.
>
>
>
>
> Fourth, the claim that the criticism of the provision is only academic and
> is divorced from prevailing ground realities is an equally problematic
> view.
> It is true that many still view having a disabled child as a curse. That
> they feel that a disabled offspring will not be able to contribute
> productively. That she would be an undue burden. And that there is a need
> to
> have an able-bodied child to compensate for this deficit. However, the
> existence of this thought process is a reason for us to fight tooth and
> nail
> against any attempts to codify these beliefs into law. We must do
> everything
> we can to interrogate, contest and dismantle this type of thinking. Not put
> our weight behind those who seek to legitimize it by inscribing it into
> law.
> In other words, the ground realities that one member speaks of are the very
> reason why we should fight back against this provision.
>
>
>
> Fifth, as another member points out, the selfsame arguments that are being
> deployed to support this provision have been used in the past to support
> attempts to kill the girl child. Many facts of life that confront us in
> everyday life are horrendous and unfortunate. That is no reason to defend a
> law that seeks to sanction these unfortunate realities.
>
>
>
> Sixth, as disabled people who strive everyday to realize our full potential
> and to break down the barriers standing in our way, it is profoundly sad
> that some of us are willing to unhesitatingly subscribe to the stereotypes
> that this provision embodies. Do we really think that a disabled life
> matters less? That a disabled person cannot contribute productively? That
> they cannot do a

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

 “privilege† is a
>> deliberate attempt to obfuscate the ableism in the bill. As a person
>> with disability, if I am talking to a poor person from rural UP about
>> the ableism in the bill, I am not being privileged. Put differently,
>> privilege is context specific.
>>
>> Thirdly, the so-called pragmatic circumstances are continuously
>> evolving and are amenable to change. We are here because a few
>> individuals before us decided to change the ground reality and
>> pragmatic circumstances by striving to opposing ableism. What would
>> have happened if they had decided not to fight, because ableism is a
>> ground reality, right?
>>
>> It is a matter of happiness that organizations like NPRD have come
>> forward with a clear position on this and hope more organizations join
>> them in this. We should rightfully demand the government to remove Sec
>> 15 and instead focus on increasing life opportunity for persons with
>> disability. Rather than denigrating the dignity of persons with
>> disability, government should focus on measures which will encourage
>> parents to view their children with disability in a much more positive
>> light. Put simply, I would like my parents to see me as a person with
>> dignity and I would like every person with disability to feel the
>> same.
>> regards,
>> Tony
>>
>> On 21/07/2021, 'Mahendragalani' via AccessIndia
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello my young friend, wrong word, it is not preaching from Austria, but
>>> observation. I have also observed in the past, when you don’t find any
>>> sensible argument, you start, in my case like preaching from Austria.
>>> Last
>>> time around, you are making fun of someone, who made spelling mistakes.
>>> Me
>>> you can Tryon criticize about being in Austria, however what will you
>>> say,
>>> to Rahul and Ketan who are very much in India?
>>>
>>>  Mahendra Galani, With warm regards. Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 21.07.2021, at 09:53, Avichal Bhatnagar 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We do not need preaching from people sitting in Austria, thank you.
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/20/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> i am surprise, that we have a member here, who in order to support
>>>>> his political view, is justifying this inhuman approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> as Rahul said, we dont need enemy
>>>>> , if we have such friend.
>>>>> At 03:53 PM 7/20/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I too don't post often but what Rahul has written has compelled me to
>>>>>> do so.  I agree 100% with Rahul and believe that under no
>>>>>> circumstances should this be allowed.  In fact, if I understand the
>>>>>> case law correctly, this can be challenged under Art. 21 of
>>>>>> constitution as disabled children are negated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, I am against ableism of all kinds:  even when we are forced
>>>>>> to behave in a particular manner though that may be inconvenient due
>>>>>> to our disabilities as that is the norm in so-called able world, I am
>>>>>> strongly against this.  I don't like the use of "normal" word to
>>>>>> describe people who are not disabled.  We need not bring privilege or
>>>>>> anything.  If millions have problems bringing up disabled children,
>>>>>> there are ample examples to show that disabled who are educated have
>>>>>> done far better than their able-bodied siblings in lives and have
>>>>>> helped their parents/siblings.  In any case, population control
>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>> and should not be controlled by a law.  Education and other measures
>>>>>> could be brought in to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ketan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/07/2021, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>>>>>>> One of us is arguing that it is wrong to treat the disabled as being
>>>>>>> inferior and nonexistent and as good as dead. The other is saying
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is totally okay. Why? Because in the real world, the disabled should
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> t

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

well said Tony.
At 12:29 PM 7/21/2021 -0400, you wrote:

Hello,

I am not someone who posts here regularly but I think I would be
abdicating my responsibility as a person with disability if I do not
state my views on the UP population bill.

At the outset, let me be clear that Sec 15 of the bill is ableist and
is discriminatory towards persons with disability. As Rahul observed,
the bill is giving legal credence to an ableist mindset that signals
to society that it is totally cool not to count your child with
disability as a productive member. As the discussion here has brought
out important points, let me restrict myself to a few observations.
To state that ableism exists on ground hence the ableist provisions of
the bill need no opposition is extremely problematic. That some of our
members have opted for a political submission rather than asking the
right questions and expose the ableism contained in the bill
demonstrates internalised ableism. The job of disability rights
activists (hoping that everyone participating here identifies as one)
is to oppose ableism on all fronts. The task at hand for us is to show
how the bill encourages an ableist mindset and humiliates the dignity
of persons with disability.

Secondly, to call any opposition to the bill as “privilege† is a
deliberate attempt to obfuscate the ableism in the bill. As a person
with disability, if I am talking to a poor person from rural UP about
the ableism in the bill, I am not being privileged. Put differently,
privilege is context specific.

Thirdly, the so-called pragmatic circumstances are continuously
evolving and are amenable to change. We are here because a few
individuals before us decided to change the ground reality and
pragmatic circumstances by striving to opposing ableism. What would
have happened if they had decided not to fight, because ableism is a
ground reality, right?

It is a matter of happiness that organizations like NPRD have come
forward with a clear position on this and hope more organizations join
them in this. We should rightfully demand the government to remove Sec
15 and instead focus on increasing life opportunity for persons with
disability. Rather than denigrating the dignity of persons with
disability, government should focus on measures which will encourage
parents to view their children with disability in a much more positive
light. Put simply, I would like my parents to see me as a person with
dignity and I would like every person with disability to feel the
same.
regards,
Tony

On 21/07/2021, 'Mahendragalani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> Hello my young friend, wrong word, it is not preaching from Austria, but
> observation. I have also observed in the past, when you don’t find any
> sensible argument, you start, in my case like preaching from Austria. Last
> time around, you are making fun of someone, who made spelling mistakes. Me
> you can Tryon criticize about being in Austria, however what will you say,
> to Rahul and Ketan who are very much in India?
>
>  Mahendra Galani, With warm regards. Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 21.07.2021, at 09:53, Avichal Bhatnagar  wrote:
>>
>> We do not need preaching from people sitting in Austria, thank you.
>>
>>> On 7/20/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>> i am surprise, that we have a member here, who in order to support
>>> his political view, is justifying this inhuman approach.
>>>
>>> as Rahul said, we dont need enemy
>>> , if we have such friend.
>>> At 03:53 PM 7/20/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I too don't post often but what Rahul has written has compelled me to
>>>> do so.  I agree 100% with Rahul and believe that under no
>>>> circumstances should this be allowed.  In fact, if I understand the
>>>> case law correctly, this can be challenged under Art. 21 of
>>>> constitution as disabled children are negated.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I am against ableism of all kinds:  even when we are forced
>>>> to behave in a particular manner though that may be inconvenient due
>>>> to our disabilities as that is the norm in so-called able world, I am
>>>> strongly against this.  I don't like the use of "normal" word to
>>>> describe people who are not disabled.  We need not bring privilege or
>>>> anything.  If millions have problems bringing up disabled children,
>>>> there are ample examples to show that disabled who are educated have
>>>> done far better than their able-bodied siblings in lives and have
>>>> helped their parents/siblings.  In any case, population control cannot
>>>> and should not be controlled by a law.  Education and

Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

my remark came after your comment, so who is doing what?
practise first what you preach.

At 10:21 PM 7/21/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Yes, you shouldn't increase traffic unnecessarily if you have nothing
substantial to contribute.


On 7/21/21, 'Mahendragalani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> Hello my young friend, wrong word, it is not preaching from Austria, but
> observation. I have also observed in the past, when you don’t find any
> sensible argument, you start, in my case like preaching from Austria. Last
> time around, you are making fun of someone, who made spelling mistakes. Me
> you can Tryon criticize about being in Austria, however what will you say,
> to Rahul and Ketan who are very much in India?
>
>  Mahendra Galani, With warm regards. Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 21.07.2021, at 09:53, Avichal Bhatnagar  wrote:
>>
>> We do not need preaching from people sitting in Austria, thank you.
>>
>>> On 7/20/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi All
>>> i am surprise, that we have a member here, who in order to support
>>> his political view, is justifying this inhuman approach.
>>>
>>> as Rahul said, we dont need enemy
>>> , if we have such friend.
>>> At 03:53 PM 7/20/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>>>> Dear Friends,
>>>>
>>>> I too don't post often but what Rahul has written has compelled me to
>>>> do so.  I agree 100% with Rahul and believe that under no
>>>> circumstances should this be allowed.  In fact, if I understand the
>>>> case law correctly, this can be challenged under Art. 21 of
>>>> constitution as disabled children are negated.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I am against ableism of all kinds:  even when we are forced
>>>> to behave in a particular manner though that may be inconvenient due
>>>> to our disabilities as that is the norm in so-called able world, I am
>>>> strongly against this.  I don't like the use of "normal" word to
>>>> describe people who are not disabled.  We need not bring privilege or
>>>> anything.  If millions have problems bringing up disabled children,
>>>> there are ample examples to show that disabled who are educated have
>>>> done far better than their able-bodied siblings in lives and have
>>>> helped their parents/siblings.  In any case, population control cannot
>>>> and should not be controlled by a law.  Education and other measures
>>>> could be brought in to do it.
>>>>
>>>> Ketan
>>>>
>>>> On 19/07/2021, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
>>>>> One of us is arguing that it is wrong to treat the disabled as being
>>>>> inferior and nonexistent and as good as dead. The other is saying that
>>>>> this
>>>>> is totally okay. Why? Because in the real world, the disabled should
>>>>> learn
>>>>> to put up with their denigration and humiliation. And yet I am the one
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Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on display in this group by those who should know better

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi All
i am surprise, that we have a member here, who in order to support 
his political view, is justifying this inhuman approach.


as Rahul said, we dont need enemy
, if we have such friend.
At 03:53 PM 7/20/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Friends,

I too don't post often but what Rahul has written has compelled me to
do so.  I agree 100% with Rahul and believe that under no
circumstances should this be allowed.  In fact, if I understand the
case law correctly, this can be challenged under Art. 21 of
constitution as disabled children are negated.

In fact, I am against ableism of all kinds:  even when we are forced
to behave in a particular manner though that may be inconvenient due
to our disabilities as that is the norm in so-called able world, I am
strongly against this.  I don't like the use of "normal" word to
describe people who are not disabled.  We need not bring privilege or
anything.  If millions have problems bringing up disabled children,
there are ample examples to show that disabled who are educated have
done far better than their able-bodied siblings in lives and have
helped their parents/siblings.  In any case, population control cannot
and should not be controlled by a law.  Education and other measures
could be brought in to do it.

Ketan

On 19/07/2021, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> One of us is arguing that it is wrong to treat the disabled as being
> inferior and nonexistent and as good as dead. The other is saying that this
> is totally okay. Why? Because in the real world, the disabled should learn
> to put up with their denigration and humiliation. And yet I am the one
> showcasing privilege.
>
> Makes a great deal of sense.
>
> Rahul
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  on
> behalf of Avichal Bhatnagar 
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:35:38 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in 
> Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
> Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism
> on display in this group by those who should know better
>
> As far as I understand, all the above points come from someone having
> a privileged position; the everyday realities faced by millions of
> disabled are quite different and don't get reflected at all.
> The only sensible point which I could decipher was that the exception
> should be made only for those disabled who have a very high level of
> disability which prevents them from living an independent life.
> While I agree that we should of course strive towards demolishing
> ablism in every form and at every step, yet we simply cannot live in a
> utopian world and ignore the pragmatic circumstances.
>
>
>
>
> On 7/19/21, rahul.bajaj10...@gmail.com  wrote:
>> I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the
>> discussion
>> on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to speak. If
>> we
>> cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of
>> ableism
>> and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this group
>> down and go home. These words sound harsh, I know, but nothing less would
>> suffice to respond to the insensitivity displayed by those supporting the
>> provisions at issue. Here are my thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> First, please understand what this provision [S. 15] seeks to do. It
>> seeks
>> to inscribe into law a provision that would say that the rule that you
>> can
>> only have two children, created by this law, will not apply in the event
>> that you have a disabled child. In such cases, you are entitled to have
>> three children. In other words, the Bill says that a disabled child
>> simply
>> does not count as a child. It says that, as parents, you are entitled to
>> a
>> do over if a child with a disability is born to you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Second, if the above does not constitute a frontal assault to the dignity
>> of
>> disabled bodies, I wonder what does. If the above provision does not
>> negate
>> the personhood of the disabled, I wonder what does. If the above
>> provision
>> does not inscribe into law the most horrific stereotypes about having a
>> disability that we all seek to confront everyday in direct and indirect
>> ways, I wonder what does.
>>
>>
>>
>> Third, to say that the bill would have been criticized even if it did not
>> have such a provision and hence we should just put up with our
>> statutorily
>> sanctioned humiliation and negation, I am sorry to say, reflects a way of
>> thinking that is dismissive at best and appallingly discriminatory at
>> worst.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Fourth, the claim that the criticism of the provision is only academic
>> and
>> is divorced from prevailing ground realities is an equally problematic
>> view.
>> It is true that many still view having a disabled child as a curse. That
>> they feel that a disabled offspring will not be able to contribute
>> productively. That she would be an undue burden. And 

Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

so,  then we dont need population control bill, right?
since violation of law is norm, why to have new law.
 let people kill, rape, and dont take any action.
At 08:03 AM 7/18/2021 +0530, you wrote:
agreed on this point that Anybody, intending to 
have more children, can easily obtain a

medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another
child. but, violation of law is everywhere in 
our country. what you can say where person had 
obtained disability certificate of 40% and 
enjoying all the facilities in jobs and others.




- Original Message - From: "Vikas Kapoor" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill


Well this is exactly same what people have been thinking of a girl
child. At one point of time, girls were seen as a huge burden on the
society. Although Today the females have become quite productive and
important assets in almost every field, a section of the society still
seems to have the same attitude towards them. The same doctrine of
analogy can be applied here with respect to the people with disability
also.
Apart from the attitudinal problems, there's is yet another dimension
to it. Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain a
medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another
child.
On 17/07/2021, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:

very true Tanmay!!
At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote:


I have never said that, bill says disabled
children are not officially recorded.

But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy?

Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children.

If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included as a
child.

If government includes disabled children,
Then we will be able to control population very effectively.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani
<<mailto:pranayara...@gmail.com>pranayara...@gmail.com> wrote:
terrible thinking? the bill no where  says
disabled children are not officially recorded
and are non-existent.  Our fight should be
that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy.
- Original Message -
From: <mailto:tanmaysri1...@gmail.com>Tanmay Srivastava
To:
<mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>AccessIndia:
a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill

I was also thinking the same while reading this draft.

If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist officially.

With this section, it will not possible to make
this bill effective as much as it should be.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform
For The Rights of the Disabled
<<mailto:nprd...@gmail.com>nprd...@gmail.com> wrote:

July 17, 2021

Â

Â

NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradesh

h

(UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021


Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly
pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the
Bill says that if couples have one or two
children who “suffer† (term used in thn the
Bill) from disability, they can have more
children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm.

Â

Notwithstanding, the other regressive and
contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section
seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to
view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent
to being dead. This is atrocious and
unacceptable. Disability is a condition and one
does not “suffer† from a disability buy 
but rather suffers because of it.


Â

The Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act,
2016, which the Bill invokes has equality and
non-discrimination as its guiding principles.
This provision in the Bill is a blatant
violation of these principles and reinforces the
concept of viewing children with disabilities as
a burden, unwanted by families and society.

Â

National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled

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Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

well said, Vikas.
At 09:00 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote:

Well this is exactly same what people have been thinking of a girl
child. At one point of time, girls were seen as a huge burden on the
society. Although Today the females have become quite productive and
important assets in almost every field, a section of the society still
seems to have the same attitude towards them. The same doctrine of
analogy can be applied here with respect to the people with disability
also.
Apart from the attitudinal problems, there's is yet another dimension
to it. Anybody, intending to have more children, can easily obtain a
medical certificate of even a minor disability and argue for another
child.
On 17/07/2021, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
 wrote:
> very true Tanmay!!
> At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote:
>
>>I have never said that, bill says disabled
>>children are not officially recorded.
>>
>>But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy?
>>
>>Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children.
>>
>>If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included as a
>> child.
>>
>>If government includes disabled children,
>>Then we will be able to control population very effectively.
>>
>>On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani
>><<mailto:pranayara...@gmail.com>pranayara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>terrible thinking? the bill no where  says
>>disabled children are not officially recorded
>>and are non-existent.  Our fight should be
>>that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: <mailto:tanmaysri1...@gmail.com>Tanmay Srivastava
>>To:
>><mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in>AccessIndia:
>>a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
>>Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill
>>
>>I was also thinking the same while reading this draft.
>>
>>If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist officially.
>>
>>With this section, it will not possible to make
>>this bill effective as much as it should be.
>>
>>On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform
>>For The Rights of the Disabled
>><<mailto:nprd...@gmail.com>nprd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>July 17, 2021
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Â
>>
>>NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradesh
h
>>(UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021
>>
>>
>>Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly
>>pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the
>>Bill says that if couples have one or two
>>children who “suffer† (term used in thn the
>>Bill) from disability, they can have more
>>children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>Notwithstanding, the other regressive and
>>contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section
>>seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to
>>view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent
>>to being dead. This is atrocious and
>>unacceptable. Disability is a condition and one
>>does not “suffer† from a disability buy 
but rather suffers because of it.

>>
>>Â
>>
>>The Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act,
>>2016, which the Bill invokes has equality and
>>non-discrimination as its guiding principles.
>>This provision in the Bill is a blatant
>>violation of these principles and reinforces the
>>concept of viewing children with disabilities as
>>a burden, unwanted by families and society.
>>
>>Â
>>
>>National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled
>>
>>--
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>>36, Pt. Ravishankar Shukla Lane
>>New Delhi 110 001
>>Tel. 11-23387674; 9868768543
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Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

very true Tanmay!!
At 07:32 PM 7/17/2021 +0530, you wrote:

I have never said that, bill says disabled 
children are not officially recorded.


But why they are excluding disabled children from 2 children policy?

Their mindset clearly shows towards disabled children.

If a child borns with disability, he or she will also be included as a child.

If government includes disabled children,
Then we will be able to control population very effectively.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 4:43 PM pranaya rani 
<pranayara...@gmail.com> wrote:
terrible thinking? the bill no where  says 
disabled children are not officially recorded 
and are non-existent.  Our fight should be 
that disabled children for part of the 2 children policy.

- Original Message -
From: Tanmay Srivastava
To: 
AccessIndia: 
a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.

Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] UP Population Control Bill

I was also thinking the same while reading this draft.

If a child borns with disability, he or she will not exist officially.

With this section, it will not possible to make 
this bill effective as much as it should be.


On Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 12:34 PM National Platform 
For The Rights of the Disabled 
<nprd...@gmail.com> wrote:


July 17, 2021

Â

Â

NPRD’s Reaction to the Draft Uttar Pradesh 
(UP) Population Control, Stabilisation and Welfare Bill, 2021



Sec. 15 of the Bill includes a terribly 
pejorative almost eugenic rationale where the 
Bill says that if couples have one or two 
children who “suffer† (term used in the 
Bill) from disability, they can have more 
children and will not be seen to contravene the two-child norm.


Â

Notwithstanding, the other regressive and 
contentious provisions in the Bill, this Section 
seeks to invoke an ableist mindset and tends to 
view the disabled as non-existent and equivalent 
to being dead. This is atrocious and 
unacceptable. Disability is a condition and one 
does not “suffer† from a disability but rather suffers because of it.


Â

The Rights of Persons with Disabilities Act, 
2016, which the Bill invokes has equality and 
non-discrimination as its guiding principles. 
This provision in the Bill is a blatant 
violation of these principles and reinforces the 
concept of viewing children with disabilities as 
a burden, unwanted by families and society.


Â

National Platform for the Rights of the Disabled

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Re: [AI] Link to listen wtc match

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

Hi, can you give steps for IOS?
thanks in advance
At 07:36 AM 6/21/20.
21 +0530, you wrote:

Hi, Assuming that you are using android, please click on live radio
and then all the live FM radio stations will be listed. You can choose
the 1 that carries the live chricket. The method is slightly different
in IOS platform.

Vetri.

On 20/06/2021, mukesh jain  wrote:
> sorry for replying to wrong mail. its just happened inadvertantly.
>
>
> On 6/20/21, mukesh jain  wrote:
>> hello,
>> also try to disable addons running with the chrome. if that does not
>> work, then try to reset your chrome browser.
>> thanks,
>> Mukesh
>>
>> On 6/20/21, srinivas bangalore_11  wrote:
>>> Hi thanks for responding I am not able to find any live channel on the
>>> app
>>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Jun, 2021, 8:26 pm Vetrivel Murugan Adhimoolam, <
>>> vadhimoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi, If you are an android phone user, then you can download News On
 AIR app and listen to the match.

 Vetri.

 On 19/06/2021, srinivas bangalore_11 
>>> wrote:
 > Hello all please provide the link to listen all India radio live
>>> commentary
 > 4w tc match
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Re: [AI] Webinar on Emerging Reading Solution:

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

may be because, more people have mobile then computer.
this is true, not only in case of blind, but everyone in general.
 At 10:32 AM 4/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:

why don't you explore the solutions that are in the computers?
you always come up with the solutions for mobile phone.
when it comes to reading, it is my assumption that people prefer
computers than the mobile phones.

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Re: [AI] ICICI Bank mobile app

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

i am useing with Jaws withought any problem.
At 11:12 PM 3/25/2021 +0530, you wrote:
As a properly sighted person iMobile used to be 
the easiest banking application which is useless now!


Anyways I am unable to use its netbanking 
properly with NVDA either and currently relying 
solely on UPI apps for transactions.







On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 at 21:51, Vetrivel Murugan 
Adhimoolam <vadhimoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I used IMobile Pay in IOS as well as in Android. Although IOS version
has some limitation, it is better than android. All together, The
IMobile Pay is so useless that I use ICICI website to carry out most
of the banking tasks.

Vetri.

On 01/03/2021, Vaibhav Saraf 
<vaibhav.s@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Checking again on accessibility of new version with a new name
> 'iMobilePay'.
>
> I think they have gone behind in time, atleast for android where none of
> the links from the breadcrumb (which comes on after hitting the index link)
> opens up for me.
>
> Are other Talkback users experiencing the same issue? How about iOS
> version?
>
> Thanks,
> Vaibhav
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 15:23, Maruti Paramwad 
<mparam...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Sorry sir, this feature only available from iPhone XR and higher
>> phones. iOS 14 is available for 6S and above but all the features are
>> not available for all the models.
>>
>> On 9/30/20, George Abraham 
<george.abrah...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > I do not see Voice Over Recognition under Voice Over. Will this feature
>> be
>> > available on iPhone 6S> The iOS on my phone is version 14.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:

>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>> > On Behalf Of Maruti Paramwad
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:49 AM
>> > To: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>> > Subject: Re: [AI] ICICI Bank mobile app
>> >
>> > Hello George sir,
>> >
>> > Greetings!
>> > to activate voiceover recognition, open voiceover setting, click on
>> > voiceover, swipe till voiceover recognition option. click on "voiceover
>> > recognition" there you will get all the options.
>> >
>> > On 9/30/20, George Abraham 
<george.abrah...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> How do I activate this feature?
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>> >> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>> >> On Behalf Of Maruti Paramwad
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 9:35 PM
>> >> To: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>> >> Subject: Re: [AI] ICICI Bank mobile app
>> >>
>> >> Hello George sir,
>> >>
>> >> Greetings!
>> >> I agree with you. but, there is one solution for making accessible
>> >> apps on iOS. if you are on iOS 14 then, use voiceover screen
>> >> recognition. this new option is very useful for VI users. if you
>> >> activate this feature voiceover try to make accessible an app witch is
>> >> not an accessible. try this new feature.
>> >>
>> >> On 9/29/20, George Abraham 
<george.abrah...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>> With the laptop it works, but the mobile iPhone when I press proceed
>> >>> the Quick Pay window opens and the confirm button is not read out by
>> >>> Voice Over.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>> >>> [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in]
>> >>> On Behalf Of Mahendra Galani
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:48 AM
>> >>> To: 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in

>> >>> Subject: Re: [AI] ICICI Bank mobile app
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi George,
>> >>>
>> >>> i use Icici ban app with Iphone.
>> >>> most of the time, it is working fine.
>> >>> some time it crashes .
>> >>> though, with computer its fine.
>> >>> good luck
>> >>> At 10:47 AM 9/29/2020 +0530, you wrote:
>> I don't have any bank account with ICICI, however I have couple of
>> credit cards issued by ICICI bank. I use iMobile app for looking my
>> tranzactions on credit cards, viewing the statement and paying my
>> bill online. I have no issue in iMobile app to the extent of using it
>> for credit cards.
>> 
>> On 9/29/20, Vaibhav Saraf 
<vaibhav.s@gmail.com> wrote:

>>  > Hi George,
>>  >
>>  > Yes, the iMobile app is poor with Talkback as well. As soon as I
>>  > navigate to the passbook section with the screen reader it becomes
>>  > unresponsive and crashes after a minute. Fund Transfer is not much
>>  > accessible either.
>>  >
>>  > Thanks,
>>  > Vaibhav
>>  >
>>  >
>

Re: [AI] test mail, please confirm

['Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia]

thanks
At 09:31 PM 2/1/2021 +0530, you wrote:

confirmed

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[AI] test mail, please confirm

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[AI] sad news about our member Sakina Dhariwala

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 Hi Friends
not good news to share,
Sakina Dhariwala is no more, she died of cardiac arrest.
she was only 58, only thing, she died in her sleep.
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Re: [AI] This IITian lost vision 8 years ago, he now develops ‘voice app’ that helps visually impaired use p opular apps | Technology News,The Indian Express

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great story, however is this app  working on  Iphone?
can someone confirm?
thqanks in advance.

At 07:31 PM 12/4/2020 +0530, you wrote:
That's an inspiring story indeed! A visually 
impaired securing investment from big name like 
Sequioa and running a successful startup in tech.


I think the article would just need a slight 
correction, IT-BHU was conferred IIT status in 
2012 to what I know and was not one when the honorary would have studied there.

Â




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develops ‘voice app’ that helps visually 
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This IITian lost vision 8 years ago, he now 
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International Day of Disabled Persons 2020: 
Pramit Bhargava, an alumnus of IIT-BHU and 
IIM-B, is behind the Louie app that enables 
visually impaired users to use popular apps with just voice commands.




Anuj Bhatia
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A drug reaction 20 years ago affected the retina 
of Pramit Bhargava, an alumnus of IIT-BHU and 
IIM-B. Since then, he slowly started losing his 
vision, and by 2012, it had dropped to a point 
when he could not read anything. Losing his 
vision had impacted Bhargava, both mentally and 
physiologically. Low on confidence, the 
53-year-old even started questioning himself.


“I was becoming so dependent on people because 
of the lack of technology. Even though I’m a 
good user of technology, I realised that the 
only thing available for the visually impaired 
was a basic screen reader that was fairly basic, 
and was difficult to use,† he told 
indianexpress.com in an interview.


Four years ago, Bhargava, who has worked with 
Hindustan Unilever and 
Motorola, 
got the idea of developing an app that shows the 
way as to how tech can become more accessible to 
people with disabilities. While seeking help 
from a sighted friend to book a cab, Bhargava 
wondered if he could create a mobile app that 
allows visually impaired users to use popular apps with just voice commands.


“Louie, in a way, is all about solving my own 
problem, and with the hope that it will work for 
other people as well,† said Bhargava, the 
creator of ‘Louie Voice Control’.



The 
rise of assistive tech: How tech is helping people with special needs




Bhargava visualised a mobile app that could be a 
‘virtual friend’, doing interactions like 
humans – something he himself wished existed for 
booking a cab or sending a WhatsApp message. 
While the idea of a mobile that lets blind and 
visually impaired use commonly used apps and 
controls the phone with voice commands had a 
potential, Bhargava initially struggled to get 
developers on board. But once he secured funding 
from Sequoia Capital, Bhargava recruited his own 
developers and started working on the app. His 
team now consists of 14 people, including three 
visually impaired developers who are in the area 
of testing as well as user experience.

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well, i dont have facebook account at all.
At 05:55 PM 11/21/2020 +0530, you wrote:

yes. i only use facebook for informative things. like i am a part of a
group for my phone and some other information only groups. i have kept
my facebook account only for that.

On 11/21/20, Vaibhav Saraf  wrote:
> My mother got her new smartphone 3 years ago, almost after an year of use
> she told me that Google is listening all her calls. Whatever she will talk
> she will get similar things in YouTube recommendation even though she did
> not see a single video of the kind. I did not believe and denied.
>
> She told again and again and I denied again and again until I was attending
> a Data Science class and the tutor shared similar experiences.
>
> It was then I started noticing these things more closely. It was known that
> if I go and search amazon for thing x, my facebook and google and
> everything will get patted with suggestions, but now I observed that things
> which I have never searched in life came down there. How did they come? I
> realised I was discussing them in long calls with my friends, when I
> pointed this out one of my friends agreed too.
>
> Today my friend residing in Delhi called me. He was looking for a job
> change. Based on his skills and knowledge I asked him to try one of the
> companies which is in Noida.
>
> Guess what? Few minutes later the IT firm was showing up in my feed out of
> nowhere, I have never seen it there till now. I cannot believe this can be
> a mere coincidence.
>
> *RIP Privacy*
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 at 14:54, Shadab Husain  wrote:
>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> If we’re under the presumption that most of us are acting according to
>> our own freewill, then we’re fools.
>>
>> Because what’s downright creepy is ­
>>
>> We’re largely guided by robots. Yes, what Stephen Hawking prophesised
>> that a day would come when Artificial Intelligence would overtake
>> humans is fast coming true.
>>
>> Not everything has slipped from between our fingers ­ for we cann force
>> these power-hungry Silicon Valley giants to eliminate the addiction
>> element from their technologies. By raising our voice against these
>> greedy folks we can actually compel them to make their Facebook and
>> Google and YouTube humane.
>>
>> The emotions ­ the social triggers embedded in their codes â– can work
>> in our favour instead of making us addictive and even controlling our
>> actions.
>>
>> If you have ever felt you or anyone close to you getting agitated by
>> the addiction of these technologies, then it’s your duty to take
>> action, otherwise you might not get a chance afterwards.
>>
>> Well, I have recently subscribed to www.humanetech.com ­ the guyys who
>> made the Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma. Even if you feel that
>> all this AI controlling human actions is shit, you must watch this
>> mind-quickening documentary once to view things from a different
>> angle.
>>
>> They also bring a revealing podcast ­ The Undivided Attention  ­
>> something you won’t regret giving your time to. Its link
>>
>> https://www.humanetech.com/podcast
>>
>> A comprehensive resource blowing the lid off the spooky tactics these
>> technologists employ to grab our priceless attention is here
>>
>> https://ledger.humanetech.com/
>>
>> free has a hidden cost which is more expensive than we can imagine.
>>
>> I deleted my Facebook in 2018 when the Cambridge Analytica scandal
>> came to surface, and I’m happier and freer and more productive since
>> then.
>>
>> Pardon my bluntness…but the cold truth is that if you feel that  these
>> technologies are ruining our society, you have no right to indulge in
>> intellectual discussions and debating unless you take action, however
>> tiny.
>>
>> Backing away from actions citing the impaired logic that it would be
>> insignificant is pessimism enveloped in complacency.
>>
>> So?
>>
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