[AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Amjad Ahmed Fitwala]

Dear all,

In today's World, risk is an integrated part of our lives. Growing
risk demands us to be more conscious in every walk of our life
regardless of disability or any other weakness. So cutting the
introduction short, I would like to recount my experience in detail in
order to make you all realize the depth of seriousness of fraudulent
behaviour and alert you from possible dangers which we all may face.

One of my friend requested me to confirm his railway ticket for his
schedule journey from Mumbai to Jalgaon on 27th March, 2013 through
VIP quota as he was planning to visit Mumbai just for appearing his
SBI exams on 28th April, 2013.

On Saturday morning around 11 AM, I checked PNR status of the ticket
which was WL 103. I went to the office of Divisional Railway Manager
at Mumbai CST to complete all the formalities. Suddenly, a man met me
on platform number 5 and offered his help taking me at CCM building on
platform number 1 where I was suppose to go for the said formalities.

Further, he inquired all the needful information from my end and
informed me that due to railway election, these officials have been
transferred in some other building and now, mere administrative
department is functioning in this building, so he took me in another
building at reservation office and asked me to wait for a while.

During this conversation, He also provided his professional as well as
personal details. He was a railway staff and His real sister also
happened to be a visually impaired and got married to a banker, so
this guy pretended as if he could completely empathize challenges of
visually impaired persons.

He took initiative himself to solve my problem and started dialing
some numbers from his mobile phone to convince railway staff for my
waitlisted ticket. After 30 minutes of telephonic conversations with
his different colleagues around 12:15, he informed me that the PNR
status is wl48 and due to the last day of railway election, VIP quota
has been completely reserved so it’s very difficult to confirm the
ticket. Finally, he painted the picture that I have no option but to
cancel this ticket and book a fresh one in staff quota with his so
called benevolent assistance. After sometime, with my accord He
confirmed my friend’s ticket in Coach No. S2 and Seat No. 48 in staff
quota by mere calling to someone.

I got suspicious and inquired, how he can book a reserved ticket with
concessional fare (Ticket was of Rs.70) without my friend’s concession
certificate? He replied that I am a railway staff, so provided my ID
number to the manager and there is no need of his concessional
certificate as we also have his disability certificate issued by the
government authority.

Then he guided me at down stairs and asked me to wait once again till
another fellow handover the confirmed ticket for rs.195/-. He also
explained, emergency booking was the cause for increased cost of
ticket.

Finally, another fellow appeared and they parted from me for around 1
minute or so. Then they both approached me and handed over the ticket.
It was a fresh printed ticket. I gave him Rs. 200/- as a payment. He
said that he did not have change of Rs. 5/-. I left the matter and
collected the ticket with the feeling of gratitude towards that
person.

In the evening, I thought that I should inform the PNR number to my
friend, so I gave the ticket to my father and ask him to read out the
detail for my verification. When he read all the details, I found that
I have been cheated completely; Because, the ticket was someone else
“Cancelled ticket” of 25th April, 2013. I got shocked, not because I
los my money, but because I got cheated so easily. I know taking
sighted assistant is unavoidable in visually challenged person's life,
but this worth learning experience triggered me to pen down all this
matter and initiate healthy discussion in order to share other's
suggestions, views and experiences, so we all can be more equipped
with upcoming difficulties.
At last, most importantly, thanks to our own Access India family
member and a friend, Ms. Siddhi Desai for her great contribution in
editting the story and present the same in a beautiful manner.
I will also thank to my friend Mr. Rohiet Patil who encouraged and
provided me all needful support to bring this issue on this list.

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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[avinash shahi]

Amjad, cheer up man.
Experience is the best teacher, they say.
your own account of being cheated is an eye-opener for us.
Thanks for sharing it here.
Though I don't have any bitter experience of being deceived by
strangers at public places, nonetheless believe, deceitful people roam
frequently in plenty at public places. Its just a matter of luck and
chance if we happen to meet good people.
Its like finding a marital spous to one's taste by luck..
So your greed to get your work done in haste backfired.
You were seeking VIP quota facility he pretended to be VIP and cheated you.
Better you had taken his Phone-number and other details.
But now be-gone by gone.
On 5/1/13, Amjad Ahmed Fitwala  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> In today's World, risk is an integrated part of our lives. Growing
> risk demands us to be more conscious in every walk of our life
> regardless of disability or any other weakness. So cutting the
> introduction short, I would like to recount my experience in detail in
> order to make you all realize the depth of seriousness of fraudulent
> behaviour and alert you from possible dangers which we all may face.
>
> One of my friend requested me to confirm his railway ticket for his
> schedule journey from Mumbai to Jalgaon on 27th March, 2013 through
> VIP quota as he was planning to visit Mumbai just for appearing his
> SBI exams on 28th April, 2013.
>
> On Saturday morning around 11 AM, I checked PNR status of the ticket
> which was WL 103. I went to the office of Divisional Railway Manager
> at Mumbai CST to complete all the formalities. Suddenly, a man met me
> on platform number 5 and offered his help taking me at CCM building on
> platform number 1 where I was suppose to go for the said formalities.
>
> Further, he inquired all the needful information from my end and
> informed me that due to railway election, these officials have been
> transferred in some other building and now, mere administrative
> department is functioning in this building, so he took me in another
> building at reservation office and asked me to wait for a while.
>
> During this conversation, He also provided his professional as well as
> personal details. He was a railway staff and His real sister also
> happened to be a visually impaired and got married to a banker, so
> this guy pretended as if he could completely empathize challenges of
> visually impaired persons.
>
> He took initiative himself to solve my problem and started dialing
> some numbers from his mobile phone to convince railway staff for my
> waitlisted ticket. After 30 minutes of telephonic conversations with
> his different colleagues around 12:15, he informed me that the PNR
> status is wl48 and due to the last day of railway election, VIP quota
> has been completely reserved so it’s very difficult to confirm the
> ticket. Finally, he painted the picture that I have no option but to
> cancel this ticket and book a fresh one in staff quota with his so
> called benevolent assistance. After sometime, with my accord He
> confirmed my friend’s ticket in Coach No. S2 and Seat No. 48 in staff
> quota by mere calling to someone.
>
> I got suspicious and inquired, how he can book a reserved ticket with
> concessional fare (Ticket was of Rs.70) without my friend’s concession
> certificate? He replied that I am a railway staff, so provided my ID
> number to the manager and there is no need of his concessional
> certificate as we also have his disability certificate issued by the
> government authority.
>
> Then he guided me at down stairs and asked me to wait once again till
> another fellow handover the confirmed ticket for rs.195/-. He also
> explained, emergency booking was the cause for increased cost of
> ticket.
>
> Finally, another fellow appeared and they parted from me for around 1
> minute or so. Then they both approached me and handed over the ticket.
> It was a fresh printed ticket. I gave him Rs. 200/- as a payment. He
> said that he did not have change of Rs. 5/-. I left the matter and
> collected the ticket with the feeling of gratitude towards that
> person.
>
> In the evening, I thought that I should inform the PNR number to my
> friend, so I gave the ticket to my father and ask him to read out the
> detail for my verification. When he read all the details, I found that
> I have been cheated completely; Because, the ticket was someone else
> “Cancelled ticket” of 25th April, 2013. I got shocked, not because I
> los my money, but because I got cheated so easily. I know taking
> sighted assistant is unavoidable in visually challenged person's life,
> but this worth learning experience triggered me to pen down all this
> matter and initiate healthy discussion in order to share other's
> suggestions, views and experiences, so we all can be more equipped
> with upcoming difficulties.
> At last, most importantly, thanks to our own Access India family
> member and a friend, Ms. Siddhi Desai for her great contribution in
> editting the story and present th

Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[vivekananda]

Friend, no body can reserve concession ticket without concession form
atleast in x-erox copy of the concession certificate, even rilway
staff need concession certificate, now a days we Visually Impaired
persons are the soft target for cheating.

On 5/1/13, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Amjad, cheer up man.
> Experience is the best teacher, they say.
> your own account of being cheated is an eye-opener for us.
> Thanks for sharing it here.
> Though I don't have any bitter experience of being deceived by
> strangers at public places, nonetheless believe, deceitful people roam
> frequently in plenty at public places. Its just a matter of luck and
> chance if we happen to meet good people.
> Its like finding a marital spous to one's taste by luck..
> So your greed to get your work done in haste backfired.
> You were seeking VIP quota facility he pretended to be VIP and cheated you.
> Better you had taken his Phone-number and other details.
> But now be-gone by gone.
> On 5/1/13, Amjad Ahmed Fitwala  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In today's World, risk is an integrated part of our lives. Growing
>> risk demands us to be more conscious in every walk of our life
>> regardless of disability or any other weakness. So cutting the
>> introduction short, I would like to recount my experience in detail in
>> order to make you all realize the depth of seriousness of fraudulent
>> behaviour and alert you from possible dangers which we all may face.
>>
>> One of my friend requested me to confirm his railway ticket for his
>> schedule journey from Mumbai to Jalgaon on 27th March, 2013 through
>> VIP quota as he was planning to visit Mumbai just for appearing his
>> SBI exams on 28th April, 2013.
>>
>> On Saturday morning around 11 AM, I checked PNR status of the ticket
>> which was WL 103. I went to the office of Divisional Railway Manager
>> at Mumbai CST to complete all the formalities. Suddenly, a man met me
>> on platform number 5 and offered his help taking me at CCM building on
>> platform number 1 where I was suppose to go for the said formalities.
>>
>> Further, he inquired all the needful information from my end and
>> informed me that due to railway election, these officials have been
>> transferred in some other building and now, mere administrative
>> department is functioning in this building, so he took me in another
>> building at reservation office and asked me to wait for a while.
>>
>> During this conversation, He also provided his professional as well as
>> personal details. He was a railway staff and His real sister also
>> happened to be a visually impaired and got married to a banker, so
>> this guy pretended as if he could completely empathize challenges of
>> visually impaired persons.
>>
>> He took initiative himself to solve my problem and started dialing
>> some numbers from his mobile phone to convince railway staff for my
>> waitlisted ticket. After 30 minutes of telephonic conversations with
>> his different colleagues around 12:15, he informed me that the PNR
>> status is wl48 and due to the last day of railway election, VIP quota
>> has been completely reserved so it’s very difficult to confirm the
>> ticket. Finally, he painted the picture that I have no option but to
>> cancel this ticket and book a fresh one in staff quota with his so
>> called benevolent assistance. After sometime, with my accord He
>> confirmed my friend’s ticket in Coach No. S2 and Seat No. 48 in staff
>> quota by mere calling to someone.
>>
>> I got suspicious and inquired, how he can book a reserved ticket with
>> concessional fare (Ticket was of Rs.70) without my friend’s concession
>> certificate? He replied that I am a railway staff, so provided my ID
>> number to the manager and there is no need of his concessional
>> certificate as we also have his disability certificate issued by the
>> government authority.
>>
>> Then he guided me at down stairs and asked me to wait once again till
>> another fellow handover the confirmed ticket for rs.195/-. He also
>> explained, emergency booking was the cause for increased cost of
>> ticket.
>>
>> Finally, another fellow appeared and they parted from me for around 1
>> minute or so. Then they both approached me and handed over the ticket.
>> It was a fresh printed ticket. I gave him Rs. 200/- as a payment. He
>> said that he did not have change of Rs. 5/-. I left the matter and
>> collected the ticket with the feeling of gratitude towards that
>> person.
>>
>> In the evening, I thought that I should inform the PNR number to my
>> friend, so I gave the ticket to my father and ask him to read out the
>> detail for my verification. When he read all the details, I found that
>> I have been cheated completely; Because, the ticket was someone else
>> “Cancelled ticket” of 25th April, 2013. I got shocked, not because I
>> los my money, but because I got cheated so easily. I know taking
>> sighted assistant is unavoidable in visually challenged person's life,
>> but this worth learning exper

Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Rajesh H Mehta]

It is very sad to learn following what happen with my own classmate Amjad, 
however flick side is what shall we do? Can we stay without sighted 
assistance? No doubt,  in last 10 years technology has brought revolution 
in our life but how many of VI even today expose to this?
My experience even today for many things which could be done through 
technologies VI still taking help of sighted.
Look at the example of paying payment or doing any kind of financial 
transaction through on line. Even though many of the banking sides are 
accessible, does all the VI use them? Though many of the hindi/marathi 
hard copy documents could be scan and red by VI their onself why do we 
needs to be dependant on sighted?
I know we can not completely stay without sighted assistance and doing 
that would be  inviting ourself a ideological world. However, can not we 
reduce the dependency?
What stops us doing that??? 
 
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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Though many of the hindi/marathi hard copy documents could be scan and red by 
VI their onself why do we needs to be dependant on sighted?

I disagree with this.
Hindi OCR is far from perfect, and is not wholly accessible, nor free...

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It is very sad to learn following what happen with my own classmate Amjad,
however flick side is what shall we do? Can we stay without sighted
assistance? No doubt,  in last 10 years technology has brought revolution
in our life but how many of VI even today expose to this?
My experience even today for many things which could be done through
technologies VI still taking help of sighted.
Look at the example of paying payment or doing any kind of financial
transaction through on line. Even though many of the banking sides are
accessible, does all the VI use them? Though many of the hindi/marathi
hard copy documents could be scan and red by VI their onself why do we
needs to be dependant on sighted?
I know we can not completely stay without sighted assistance and doing
that would be  inviting ourself a ideological world. However, can not we
reduce the dependency?
What stops us doing that???

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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Rajesh H Mehta]

Rajeshjee,
I definitely agree with your view points regarding Hindi OCR. However, 
isn’t it some what doable?
Think about 5 years back story and look at today. Are we not better of 
incase if we use technology?
Let me give you 1 more example which really helped me. I am referring 
talking BP machine. It really helped me on very critical moment when I had 
to call doctor to check my mother. Though I know many a time it does not 
give accurate reading but it certainly gives you some idea and also alert 
you from any future miss half.
In the end I am of the strong believer that some thing is better then 
nothing”
Incase if we don’t use what we have how would we improve our technology? 

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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Pawan Bundela]

I don't know, why all of us keeping discussion away from the real
incident. here, there was nothing about reading and technology.

On 5/2/13, Rajesh H Mehta  wrote:
> Rajeshjee,
> I definitely agree with your view points regarding Hindi OCR. However,
> isn’t it some what doable?
> Think about 5 years back story and look at today. Are we not better of
> incase if we use technology?
> Let me give you 1 more example which really helped me. I am referring
> talking BP machine. It really helped me on very critical moment when I had
> to call doctor to check my mother. Though I know many a time it does not
> give accurate reading but it certainly gives you some idea and also alert
> you from any future miss half.
> In the end I am of the strong believer that some thing is better then
> nothing”
> Incase if we don’t use what we have how would we improve our technology?
>
> Regards
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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Sagar Sodah]

Thanks for sharing this. Only by sharing both our good and bad experiences
we can help each other be better at living in this world.
I agree with Rajesh, we should maximize utilization of technology and
minimize dependency. Even where we are dependent, we should take help to
see things, but the decision should be ours, and also seen to be ours.
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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Sagar Sodah]

Continuing from previous mail i wrote, i thought an example would help.

When i am in a buffet, which could be in a restaurant or most of the time
it is at conferences/seminars. Whoever is with me would generally ask me to
sit and offer to fix my plate for me and bring it to me. They would ask me
what i wanted. But how could i tell without knowing what is available.

So i make a it a point, to ask them to tell me what each dish has, and help
me by serving it to me on my plate. I carry my plate on my own and go
through the full line, so i can choose exactly what I want. Inde

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On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Sagar Sodah  wrote:

> Thanks for sharing this. Only by sharing both our good and bad experiences
> we can help each other be better at living in this world.
> I agree with Rajesh, we should maximize utilization of technology and
> minimize dependency. Even where we are dependent, we should take help to
> see things, but the decision should be ours, and also seen to be ours.
>
>
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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Mohib Anwar Rafel]

cheater was more smart then you!

On 5/2/13, Sagar Sodah  wrote:
> Continuing from previous mail i wrote, i thought an example would help.
>
> When i am in a buffet, which could be in a restaurant or most of the time
> it is at conferences/seminars. Whoever is with me would generally ask me to
> sit and offer to fix my plate for me and bring it to me. They would ask me
> what i wanted. But how could i tell without knowing what is available.
>
> So i make a it a point, to ask them to tell me what each dish has, and help
> me by serving it to me on my plate. I carry my plate on my own and go
> through the full line, so i can choose exactly what I want. Inde
>
> Sagar
> +91 99 30 271732
> intouchid: 2010-SAGAR007 
>
> "The evil of the world is made possible only by the sanction you give it."
> - John Galt in "Atlas Shrugged"
>
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Sagar Sodah  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing this. Only by sharing both our good and bad
>> experiences
>> we can help each other be better at living in this world.
>> I agree with Rajesh, we should maximize utilization of technology and
>> minimize dependency. Even where we are dependent, we should take help to
>> see things, but the decision should be ours, and also seen to be ours.
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[mukesh jain]

hello,
certainly we are in a far more better condition as few years ago
whitnessing the advanced technological development in the area of
assistive technology making the life of vi more independent. but that
doesn't mean that we can reduce the dependency on sighted people at
greater extent. there are several reasons in my view and most
importantly is that how many vi persons could really be benificial to
these developments directly? still in remote areas where this
technology is at the finger tips of sighted community like full of
pocket with handsum mobile, beautifying shoulders with the akaash
tablets offered under government schemes, etc but what about the vi
people being aware of even dreaming of using the same independently?
even if they are bit aware, what about such technical support offered
to them nearby to their location? so in my view, the given deceit
situation can't be remedied by linking with the use of such advanced
technology fully unless we ourselves does not change to be alert and
cautious of the things we are going to involve and its procedures,
consequences, etc.

by making my such personal remark, don't intend to discover the fault
of anyone but just wanting to convey that despite fully trusting the
assistive technology if we rather use our own wakening sense towards
the situation in front, many problems themselves be cured without any
unexpected serious aftermaths and upshots.

thanks,


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Re: [AI] Be Alert while looking for Cyted Assistance at out-door

[Amjad Ahmed Fitwala]

Friends,

I sincerely thanks to each one of you for all your views and to bring
a healthy discussion on the list. I could learned lots of things to be
alert with or without cyted assistance. I am fully agree with my
friend Rajesh Mehta, Rajesh Asudani sir, Mukesh and all of you. Thanks
once again for sharing your views.

On 5/2/13, Rajesh H Mehta  wrote:
> It is very sad to learn following what happen with my own classmate Amjad,
> however flick side is what shall we do? Can we stay without sighted
> assistance? No doubt,  in last 10 years technology has brought revolution
> in our life but how many of VI even today expose to this?
> My experience even today for many things which could be done through
> technologies VI still taking help of sighted.
> Look at the example of paying payment or doing any kind of financial
> transaction through on line. Even though many of the banking sides are
> accessible, does all the VI use them? Though many of the hindi/marathi
> hard copy documents could be scan and red by VI their onself why do we
> needs to be dependant on sighted?
> I know we can not completely stay without sighted assistance and doing
> that would be  inviting ourself a ideological world. However, can not we
> reduce the dependency?
> What stops us doing that???
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