[AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Hello friends, Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to arrange his/ her own. 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from bank to bank? 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the marks of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this true? 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a suitable writer? Thanks in advance. With due regard, Gautam agarwal. Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
[AI] Quarries about writer in bank exams
Hello friends, Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to arrange his/ her own. 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from bank to bank? 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the marks of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this true? 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a suitable writer? Thanks in advance. With due regard, Gautam agarwal. Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
hello sir, rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not provide any such facility. the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but not equevilant to 10 + 2. percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more than 60%. probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does not vary from bank to bank. every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. hope everything is clear. gautam wrote: Hello friends, Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to arrange his/ her own. 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from bank to bank? 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the marks of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this true? 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a suitable writer? Thanks in advance. With due regard, Gautam agarwal. Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Hello Gautam! Swasti is absolutely right. The criteria fir availing the facility of scribe is really inconvinient. To fulfill all conditions is difficult. Regards Jyotsna On 6/29/10, Swasti Mathur wrote: > hello sir, > rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. > the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not > provide any such facility. > the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required > qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the > post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but > not equevilant to 10 + 2. > percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more > than 60%. > probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does > not vary from bank to bank. > every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have > to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. > hope everything is clear. > gautam wrote: >> Hello friends, >> >> >> >> Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for >> v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following >> >> >> >> 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to >> arrange his/ her own. >> >> >> >> 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? >> >> >> >> 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from >> bank >> to bank? >> >> >> >> 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? >> >> >> >> 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the >> marks >> of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this >> true? >> >> >> >> 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a >> suitable writer? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> With due regard, >> >> >> >> Gautam agarwal. >> >> >> >> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with >> disability bill at: >> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> > > > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with > disability bill at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm > > To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with > the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Dear swasti, Thanks a lot for responding my quires in regard with facility of writer in bank exams. Actually some people from Karnataka have approached me to address the issue of relaxation in eligibility condition for writer for not having more tahn 60% marks in last exam. According to them because of this condition it is difficult to get eligible writer in time. Here I would like to know what are the experiences and thoughts of the people in all other states in this regard. With regards, Gautam Agarwal. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Swasti Mathur Sent: 29 June 2010 17:41 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams hello sir, rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not provide any such facility. the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but not equevilant to 10 + 2. percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more than 60%. probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does not vary from bank to bank. every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. hope everything is clear. gautam wrote: > Hello friends, > > > > Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for > v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following > > > > 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to > arrange his/ her own. > > > > 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? > > > > 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from bank > to bank? > > > > 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? > > > > 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the marks > of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this true? > > > > 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a > suitable writer? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > With due regard, > > > > Gautam agarwal. > > > > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: > http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm > > To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
hello sir, in my opinion, the eligibility prescribed by banks for a writer are not at all justified. these rules serves as a great hinderence in finding a person who fulfills all aforesaid conditions. i too have gone through such difficulties when ever a bank exam is to be faced, conciquently and unfortunately, i missed one or two exams as such persons were not found out. the situation becomes too awful. i completely supports to oppose the norms provided by banks for a writer. some of my acquentences had also beared these predicaments while there quest for a scribe. regards Swasti gautam wrote: Dear swasti, Thanks a lot for responding my quires in regard with facility of writer in bank exams. Actually some people from Karnataka have approached me to address the issue of relaxation in eligibility condition for writer for not having more tahn 60% marks in last exam. According to them because of this condition it is difficult to get eligible writer in time. Here I would like to know what are the experiences and thoughts of the people in all other states in this regard. With regards, Gautam Agarwal. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Swasti Mathur Sent: 29 June 2010 17:41 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams hello sir, rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not provide any such facility. the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but not equevilant to 10 + 2. percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more than 60%. probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does not vary from bank to bank. every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. hope everything is clear. gautam wrote: Hello friends, Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to arrange his/ her own. 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from bank to bank? 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the marks of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this true? 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a suitable writer? Thanks in advance. With due regard, Gautam agarwal. Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with disability bill at: http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Hello sir, Not only for the bank exams, the same rules apply for all the central govt., jobs. I too oppose those rules. I attempted Vizag steel plant exam in last month. I came to know about these rules only two days before the exam. I found it so difficult to find a writer with those rules. especially the rule that he should possess an aggregate below 60% is so sad.. We can very hardly find such type of candidates now-a-days.Even though I found one person on that day but i was really disapponted by him as he was not able to read the questions clearly and fastly because of which i was unable to answer many questions which were familiar to me. Otherwise, i would have answered many questions. This is a serious issue and has to be solved. I'm really scared of writing other exams now. Though I'm capable of writing those exams, I may not perform to my best because of this rule. In that case, the provision of PWD reservation is of no use. Please let me know to whom should this matter has to be reported. Sorry for the late reply. I didnt observe this message. With Regards, Mahesh Kumar B On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Swasti Mathur wrote: > hello sir, > in my opinion, the eligibility prescribed by banks for a writer are not at > all justified. these rules serves as a great hinderence in finding a person > who fulfills all aforesaid conditions. i too have gone through such > difficulties when ever a bank exam is to be faced, conciquently and > unfortunately, i missed one or two exams as such persons were not found out. > the situation becomes too awful. > i completely supports to oppose the norms provided by banks for a writer. > some of my acquentences had also beared these predicaments while there quest > for a scribe. > regards > Swasti > > gautam wrote: > >> Dear swasti, >> >> Thanks a lot for responding my quires in regard with facility of writer in >> bank exams. Actually some people from Karnataka have approached me to >> address the issue of relaxation in eligibility condition for writer for >> not >> having more tahn 60% marks in last exam. According to them because of >> this >> condition it is difficult to get eligible writer in time. Here I would >> like >> to know what are the experiences and thoughts of the people in all other >> states in this regard. >> With regards, >> >> Gautam Agarwal. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in >> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Swasti >> Mathur >> Sent: 29 June 2010 17:41 >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in >> Subject: Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams >> >> hello sir, >> rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. >> the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not >> provide any such facility. >> the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required >> qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the post >> of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but not >> equevilant to 10 + 2. >> percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more >> than 60%. >> probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does >> not vary from bank to bank. >> every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have >> to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. >> hope everything is clear. >> gautam wrote: >> >> >>> Hello friends, >>> >>> Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer >>> for >>> v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following >>> >>> 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to >>> arrange his/ her own. >>> >>> 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? >>> >>> 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from >>> >>> >> bank >> >> >>> to bank? >>> >>> >>> 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? >>> >>> 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the >>> >>> >> marks >> >> >>> of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this >>> >>> >> true? >> >>> >>> 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a >>> suitable writer? >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> With
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Hi, The present rules of scribe are certainly ridiculous. now that all banks are free to lay down their own rules, people/NGOs in a certain area should approach the banks whose central offices are located in that particular area. For example, Mr. Gautam, President of NFB Karnataka, is in Banglore and hence can approach banks like Corporation bank, Vijaya Bank, Syndicate bank, etc. Efforts can be made to sensitise them about the present rules and how they are making life difficult for visually challenged people, and above all, propose rules that are amicable to both banks and candidates. They should be sensitised as to how aspects like scribe from a different academic stream are irrelevant for a banking entrance exam, and how strengthening of invigilation can replace the current stringent rules. Almost all the banks' head offices are located in places like Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkatta, Chennai, Hyderabad, Banglore, where we have some very good NGOs operating. So, they can summarise the experiences of visually challenged people and present them before the banks. In the meanwhile, we can put efforts towards creating a centralised database of willing scribes and try to cater to the needs of needy people. In searching scribes, once our own friend on Access India was successful in using social networking sites like Orkut, Twitter, etc., to find people with the required conditions. I heard kanchan madam is fighting a legal battle on this issue, but don't know the details and progress. But as she always says, everyone should shoulder the responsibility in winning a major battle. -- G. Vamshi PH Res : +91 877-2243861 Mobile: +91 9949349497 E-mail ID: gvamsh...@gmail.com Skype: gvamshi81 www.retinaindia.org >From darkness unto light On 7/2/10, gautam wrote: > Dear swasti, > > Thanks a lot for responding my quires in regard with facility of writer in > bank exams. Actually some people from Karnataka have approached me to > address the issue of relaxation in eligibility condition for writer for not > having more tahn 60% marks in last exam. According to them because of this > condition it is difficult to get eligible writer in time. Here I would like > to know what are the experiences and thoughts of the people in all other > states in this regard. > > With regards, > > Gautam Agarwal. > > -Original Message- > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Swasti Mathur > Sent: 29 June 2010 17:41 > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams > > hello sir, > rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. > the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not > provide any such facility. > the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required > qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the > post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but > not equevilant to 10 + 2. > percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more > than 60%. > probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does > not vary from bank to bank. > every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have > to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. > hope everything is clear. > gautam wrote: >> Hello friends, >> >> >> >> Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer for >> v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following >> >> >> >> 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to >> arrange his/ her own. >> >> >> >> 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? >> >> >> >> 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from > bank >> to bank? >> >> >> >> 4.If the rules may vary from state to state even in same bank? >> >> >> >> 5.Some one has told me that one of the conditions is that the > marks >> of the writer in last passed exam should be less than 60 p.c. Is this > true? >> >> >> >> 6. Does this condition not cause inconvenience to get a >> suitable writer? >> >> >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> >> >> With due regard, >> >> >> >> Gautam agarwal. >> >> >> >> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with > disability bill at: >> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the su
Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams
Dear Vamshi sir, I agree with you. and the alternatives suggested by you are satisfactory. and I request all the people who can made this one to focus some light on this tipic. Thank you... On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Vamshi. G wrote: > Hi, > > The present rules of scribe are certainly ridiculous. > > now that all banks are free to lay down their own rules, people/NGOs > in a certain area should approach the banks whose central offices are > located in that particular area. For example, Mr. Gautam, President > of NFB Karnataka, is in Banglore and hence can approach banks like > Corporation bank, Vijaya Bank, Syndicate bank, etc. Efforts can be > made to sensitise them about the present rules and how they are > making life difficult for visually challenged people, and above all, > propose rules that are amicable to both banks and candidates. > > They should be sensitised as to how aspects like scribe from a > different academic stream are irrelevant for a banking entrance exam, > and how strengthening of invigilation can replace the current > stringent rules. > > Almost all the banks' head offices are located in places like Mumbai, > Delhi, Kolkatta, Chennai, Hyderabad, Banglore, where we have some very > good NGOs operating. So, they can summarise the experiences of > visually challenged people and present them before the banks. > > In the meanwhile, we can put efforts towards creating a centralised > database of willing scribes and try to cater to the needs of needy > people. In searching scribes, once our own friend on Access India was > successful in using social networking sites like Orkut, Twitter, etc., > to find people with the required conditions. > > I heard kanchan madam is fighting a legal battle on this issue, but > don't know the details and progress. But as she always says, everyone > should shoulder the responsibility in winning a major battle. > > -- > G. Vamshi > PH Res : +91 877-2243861 > Mobile: +91 9949349497 > E-mail ID: > gvamsh...@gmail.com > Skype: gvamshi81 > > www.retinaindia.org > From darkness unto light > > > > > > On 7/2/10, gautam wrote: > > Dear swasti, > > > > Thanks a lot for responding my quires in regard with facility of writer > in > > bank exams. Actually some people from Karnataka have approached me to > > address the issue of relaxation in eligibility condition for writer for > not > > having more tahn 60% marks in last exam. According to them because of > this > > condition it is difficult to get eligible writer in time. Here I would > like > > to know what are the experiences and thoughts of the people in all other > > states in this regard. > > > > With regards, > > > > Gautam Agarwal. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in > > [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Swasti > Mathur > > Sent: 29 June 2010 17:41 > > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > > Subject: Re: [AI] Quarries about writer in Bank exams > > > > hello sir, > > rules for a writer in bank exams are as follows. > > the scribe is to be arranged by the candidate itself. bank does not > > provide any such facility. > > the qualification of writer must be one grade less than the required > > qualification for the post. for example, required qualification for the > > post of clerk is 10 + 2, than writer should be of 10 + 1 or less. but > > not equevilant to 10 + 2. > > percentage of scribe in last passed exam in any case should not be more > > than 60%. > > probabely, all banks have same eligibility criteria for scribe. it does > > not vary from bank to bank. > > every state has same rules regarding writer. while filling form you have > > to specify in the form whether you need a scribe or not. > > hope everything is clear. > > gautam wrote: > >> Hello friends, > >> > >> > >> > >> Would anyone respond my quarries pertaining to the provision of writer > for > >> v.i. Examinees in bank exams which include following > >> > >> > >> > >> 1.If the writer is provided by bank? Or the examinee has to > >> arrange his/ her own. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2. What are the eligibility conditions for writer? > >> > >> > >> > >> 3. If these rules equally apply in all bank exams or vary from > > bank > >> to bank? > >> > >> > >> > >> 4.If the rules may vary from state to state e
