Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
Hello, I would like to add there must be some struggle even in the developed countries to establish sufficient infrastructure for disabled in the past. So, it is our responsibility towards our own, our coming generations and our nation as a whole to work for it. sucharu -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of vivek doddamani Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 10:13 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India Friend, to all your question my answer is in USA other developed countries these are given easily to disabled persons, but unfortunately in India we people have to struggle snatch from the government we will not get easily. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org .in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- vivekananda Ph-9868954833, skype: vivekkavya, FB: vivek doddamani. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
To be precise: not much difference the west and the rest debate is pretty old and they love this. Though the abstract comparative study of there and here will lead us nowhere cause we are polls apart on HDI indicators however, in developed nations such as USUK where individualism is the main thrust, they give too much emphasis on independent living. The Americans with Disabilities Act 1990 the UK's Disability Discrimination Act 1995,, which was further amended in the second half of the first decade of the 21 century. These laws have clear cut provisions which enjoin the state to comply with the law. As a result they have better accessibility and education standards in place. Note: these countries are blessed with less population size, Huge social security arrangement for disabled and accountable private sector made by law. Despite all such goody policies, blind people in the west face almost similar challenges of family denial, social exclusion, and state antipathy. relatively, India is much much better, we have not yet abandoned family values where care is the key. People relate to each others' problems and community life is still alive. Accessibility,education and employment are key components which ensure participation of blind people in public life,and I think we are doing better in such a short time since we attained political freedom in 1947. Given the humungous challenges we face as a nation of 1.2 billion, signs are visible where India is poised to lead the disability discourse ahead in right direction. I could share several studies and data to substantiate later if discussion continues. And would end on little provocative note: many in the blind community in India are too obsessed with the west that they argue for imitation of their ideas in Indian context which are unsuited and accentuate our troubles greatly. We need Indianised disability movement which is more relevant for us. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
I too feel such a comparison can serve no purpose for the betterment of the blind of Indian subcontinent. I would not hesitate to say that it is the elitist section of the blind community which often laments about the lack of provisions that are available in US or UK or other 1st world countries. As capitalist democracies in the proper sense of the word, those countries are able to ensure equality and respect in terms of legal framework, accessibility and in the public spheres. However, those are highly confined to the individual rights, and not based much upon the social welfare model. But crucial for our subcontinent (whole south asia and 3rd world for that matter) is ensuring social welfare schemes, for the huge majority of the disabled population lives in utter poverty and ignorance in these regions. In my opinion, Audio signals in public places, Braille menus in restaurants, variety of assistive technology products, facilities to take pet-dogs and other sophisticated provisions are far less important than providing social security and quality education to all the disabled, particularly those of the marginalized sections. Drastic cuts in social welfare schemes and moving towards the American model is what we should oppose if committed to a better society... On 3/27/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: To be precise: not much difference the west and the rest debate is pretty old and they love this. Though the abstract comparative study of there and here will lead us nowhere cause we are polls apart on HDI indicators however, in developed nations such as USUK where individualism is the main thrust, they give too much emphasis on independent living. The Americans with Disabilities Act 1990 the UK's Disability Discrimination Act 1995,, which was further amended in the second half of the first decade of the 21 century. These laws have clear cut provisions which enjoin the state to comply with the law. As a result they have better accessibility and education standards in place. Note: these countries are blessed with less population size, Huge social security arrangement for disabled and accountable private sector made by law. Despite all such goody policies, blind people in the west face almost similar challenges of family denial, social exclusion, and state antipathy. relatively, India is much much better, we have not yet abandoned family values where care is the key. People relate to each others' problems and community life is still alive. Accessibility,education and employment are key components which ensure participation of blind people in public life,and I think we are doing better in such a short time since we attained political freedom in 1947. Given the humungous challenges we face as a nation of 1.2 billion, signs are visible where India is poised to lead the disability discourse ahead in right direction. I could share several studies and data to substantiate later if discussion continues. And would end on little provocative note: many in the blind community in India are too obsessed with the west that they argue for imitation of their ideas in Indian context which are unsuited and accentuate our troubles greatly. We need Indianised disability movement which is more relevant for us. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
In today's age of parallel processing and multitasking we really need not cut resources allocated for the marginal community, should look for alternatives . But is it really feasible for any VI to find himself empowered in the lack of assistive technologies. Why should we mere survive and not live to fullest. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of muruganandan.k Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 4:36 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India I too feel such a comparison can serve no purpose for the betterment of the blind of Indian subcontinent. I would not hesitate to say that it is the elitist section of the blind community which often laments about the lack of provisions that are available in US or UK or other 1st world countries. As capitalist democracies in the proper sense of the word, those countries are able to ensure equality and respect in terms of legal framework, accessibility and in the public spheres. However, those are highly confined to the individual rights, and not based much upon the social welfare model. But crucial for our subcontinent (whole south asia and 3rd world for that matter) is ensuring social welfare schemes, for the huge majority of the disabled population lives in utter poverty and ignorance in these regions. In my opinion, Audio signals in public places, Braille menus in restaurants, variety of assistive technology products, facilities to take pet-dogs and other sophisticated provisions are far less important than providing social security and quality education to all the disabled, particularly those of the marginalized sections. Drastic cuts in social welfare schemes and moving towards the American model is what we should oppose if committed to a better society... On 3/27/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: To be precise: not much difference the west and the rest debate is pretty old and they love this. Though the abstract comparative study of there and here will lead us nowhere cause we are polls apart on HDI indicators however, in developed nations such as USUK where individualism is the main thrust, they give too much emphasis on independent living. The Americans with Disabilities Act 1990 the UK's Disability Discrimination Act 1995,, which was further amended in the second half of the first decade of the 21 century. These laws have clear cut provisions which enjoin the state to comply with the law. As a result they have better accessibility and education standards in place. Note: these countries are blessed with less population size, Huge social security arrangement for disabled and accountable private sector made by law. Despite all such goody policies, blind people in the west face almost similar challenges of family denial, social exclusion, and state antipathy. relatively, India is much much better, we have not yet abandoned family values where care is the key. People relate to each others' problems and community life is still alive. Accessibility,education and employment are key components which ensure participation of blind people in public life,and I think we are doing better in such a short time since we attained political freedom in 1947. Given the humungous challenges we face as a nation of 1.2 billion, signs are visible where India is poised to lead the disability discourse ahead in right direction. I could share several studies and data to substantiate later if discussion continues. And would end on little provocative note: many in the blind community in India are too obsessed with the west that they argue for imitation of their ideas in Indian context which are unsuited and accentuate our troubles greatly. We need Indianised disability movement which is more relevant for us. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ac cessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or g.in Disclaimer:
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
Hello, I completely disagree with care element you referred to. In India the environment is so disempowering and of fake sympathy. And that we have achieved a lot after independence ; is just our limiting belief. In India, most of the resources are still untapped. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of avinash shahi Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 2:07 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India To be precise: not much difference the west and the rest debate is pretty old and they love this. Though the abstract comparative study of there and here will lead us nowhere cause we are polls apart on HDI indicators however, in developed nations such as USUK where individualism is the main thrust, they give too much emphasis on independent living. The Americans with Disabilities Act 1990 the UK's Disability Discrimination Act 1995,, which was further amended in the second half of the first decade of the 21 century. These laws have clear cut provisions which enjoin the state to comply with the law. As a result they have better accessibility and education standards in place. Note: these countries are blessed with less population size, Huge social security arrangement for disabled and accountable private sector made by law. Despite all such goody policies, blind people in the west face almost similar challenges of family denial, social exclusion, and state antipathy. relatively, India is much much better, we have not yet abandoned family values where care is the key. People relate to each others' problems and community life is still alive. Accessibility,education and employment are key components which ensure participation of blind people in public life,and I think we are doing better in such a short time since we attained political freedom in 1947. Given the humungous challenges we face as a nation of 1.2 billion, signs are visible where India is poised to lead the disability discourse ahead in right direction. I could share several studies and data to substantiate later if discussion continues. And would end on little provocative note: many in the blind community in India are too obsessed with the west that they argue for imitation of their ideas in Indian context which are unsuited and accentuate our troubles greatly. We need Indianised disability movement which is more relevant for us. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org .in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at:
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
India has a huge diversity and you would find visually impaired in every section of this diversity. Everyone has the right to access to education, health care, shelter, livelihoods etc. It is critical that the Govt delivers on all these areas, call it welfare, call it empowerment. Technology has a role to play so does welfare schemes. Let us stick to stuff that needs to be done. Let us not get personal in terms of elite bashing. All of us are doing what we think needs to be done and rightly so.We are definitely part of the human resource of this nation and should be given the opportunity. Schemes have to ensure coverage, efficiency and effectiveness Some of us may call it welfare others will continue to call it empowerment. Those of us who feel strongly about the plight of us disabled, please step forward to do something about it instead of being merely academic about it. . -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sucharu Sent: 27 March 2015 16:57 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India In today's age of parallel processing and multitasking we really need not cut resources allocated for the marginal community, should look for alternatives . But is it really feasible for any VI to find himself empowered in the lack of assistive technologies. Why should we mere survive and not live to fullest. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of muruganandan.k Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 4:36 PM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India I too feel such a comparison can serve no purpose for the betterment of the blind of Indian subcontinent. I would not hesitate to say that it is the elitist section of the blind community which often laments about the lack of provisions that are available in US or UK or other 1st world countries. As capitalist democracies in the proper sense of the word, those countries are able to ensure equality and respect in terms of legal framework, accessibility and in the public spheres. However, those are highly confined to the individual rights, and not based much upon the social welfare model. But crucial for our subcontinent (whole south asia and 3rd world for that matter) is ensuring social welfare schemes, for the huge majority of the disabled population lives in utter poverty and ignorance in these regions. In my opinion, Audio signals in public places, Braille menus in restaurants, variety of assistive technology products, facilities to take pet-dogs and other sophisticated provisions are far less important than providing social security and quality education to all the disabled, particularly those of the marginalized sections. Drastic cuts in social welfare schemes and moving towards the American model is what we should oppose if committed to a better society... On 3/27/15, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: To be precise: not much difference the west and the rest debate is pretty old and they love this. Though the abstract comparative study of there and here will lead us nowhere cause we are polls apart on HDI indicators however, in developed nations such as USUK where individualism is the main thrust, they give too much emphasis on independent living. The Americans with Disabilities Act 1990 the UK's Disability Discrimination Act 1995,, which was further amended in the second half of the first decade of the 21 century. These laws have clear cut provisions which enjoin the state to comply with the law. As a result they have better accessibility and education standards in place. Note: these countries are blessed with less population size, Huge social security arrangement for disabled and accountable private sector made by law. Despite all such goody policies, blind people in the west face almost similar challenges of family denial, social exclusion, and state antipathy. relatively, India is much much better, we have not yet abandoned family values where care is the key. People relate to each others' problems and community life is still alive. Accessibility,education and employment are key components which ensure participation of blind people in public life,and I think we are doing better in such a short time since we attained political freedom in 1947. Given the humungous challenges we face as a nation of 1.2 billion, signs are visible where India is poised to lead the disability discourse ahead in right direction. I could share several studies and data to substantiate later if discussion continues. And would end on little provocative note: many in the blind community in India are too obsessed with the west that they argue for imitation of their ideas in Indian context which are unsuited
Re: [AI] quality of life for VI in India
Friend, to all your question my answer is in USA other developed countries these are given easily to disabled persons, but unfortunately in India we people have to struggle snatch from the government we will not get easily. On 3/26/15, Sucharu sucharugupta1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- vivekananda Ph-9868954833, skype: vivekkavya, FB: vivek doddamani. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
[AI] quality of life for VI in India
Dear friends, Greetings! I would like to understand the contrast between the quality of life for VI in India and United States and other developed countries. Please throw light on main fields like: Education Rehabilitation Career Safety Dignity Capability to carry out routine jobs Social life Recreation Please do add anything important I missed. Thanks, Sucharu Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
