Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
now you people have start blaming rss for horable situation for disabled. i am afraid this logic will not take you anywhere. On 12/4/13, jignesh thakur wrote: > Avinash how Gujarat came in discussion? > Here discussion was regarding disable and Hinduism. > I can understand your extreme love for Gujarat and I thank you for > that. But keep it for some Gujarat oriented debate > If a disable person is good in singing then what is wrong if rss use > him or her in that profession. > Please understand all disable are not jnu scholars. > Some of them are only good in singing so let them sing bhajans in > stead of bagging. > To give them job in jnu is not in the capacity of rss. > > > On 12/3/13, P Subramani wrote: >> studies of disabilities and disabled persons on castelines is in >> itself illogical and unscientific, v disabled persons must b above >> such faulty lines as castes and religions have neverever favoraly >> treated us, the so called disableds are xploited by such groups, >> media has its own agenda and they come up with such catchy items and >> headlines, disableds r disableds v do not belong to any caste r >> religion as v neither get benefits of castes r religions unlike the >> able bodyed, rather than being united and fighting for more rights >> and benefits, v r fighting among selves, exposing our weakness >> >> On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >>> Mr. Avichal Bhatnagar, well, RSS has no other way to mobalize people >>> and claim them all as Hindus. This strong Brahminical hold in the >>> disability sector has been the root-cause of the disabled mass not >>> getting organized and politicized as in the west. Those you say to be >>> serving the disabled decide what to read for a blind, what not to >>> read, and even what to identify with. So, the service of RSS, if any, >>> is only its part of its effort to mobalize people and keep them a part >>> of Hinduism. This mobalization tactis in fact works better in >>> gathering people into Kara Seva. >>> coming to your second point, one must be against any form of violence >>> against anyone. But it is ridiculous to say that the affense against >>> an oppressed section is not more severe than the normal instance. Will >>> you treat the killing of a strong man and that of a meek child equal? >>> and, what do you really mean when you say that media must show the >>> "OTHER SIDE"? >>> >>> slogans 30-32 say that the four Varna of people were born from Brahma >>> according to their due place in the hierarchy. Please cite evidence >>> for proving the Varnas were based on colour. Please refer any >>> anthropological peace on the caste system. Its not mere labour >>> division, but a structured hierarchy in which one's societal position >>> is determined by birth. >>> >>> I think it is not proper to reply in this plotform for your comic >>> assertion of saints working for caste abolition. >>> >>> >>> On 12/3/13, avinash shahi wrote: Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days back. But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion which is very fruitful if we carry on... Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided they supply right info! On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > Absolutely false! > For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound > manner. > And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. > If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste > disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? > I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired > to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a > more severe nature. > If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste > inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as > well? > I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, > which is totally unexceptable. > The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. > Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not > revealed if it is the case? > The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the > caste > system. > Even the saints are working in the same direction. > And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no > knowledge at all. > Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. > These Varnas were based on skin colour. > Later, they became based on occupation. > How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? >
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Avinash how Gujarat came in discussion? Here discussion was regarding disable and Hinduism. I can understand your extreme love for Gujarat and I thank you for that. But keep it for some Gujarat oriented debate If a disable person is good in singing then what is wrong if rss use him or her in that profession. Please understand all disable are not jnu scholars. Some of them are only good in singing so let them sing bhajans in stead of bagging. To give them job in jnu is not in the capacity of rss. On 12/3/13, P Subramani wrote: > studies of disabilities and disabled persons on castelines is in > itself illogical and unscientific, v disabled persons must b above > such faulty lines as castes and religions have neverever favoraly > treated us, the so called disableds are xploited by such groups, > media has its own agenda and they come up with such catchy items and > headlines, disableds r disableds v do not belong to any caste r > religion as v neither get benefits of castes r religions unlike the > able bodyed, rather than being united and fighting for more rights > and benefits, v r fighting among selves, exposing our weakness > > On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >> Mr. Avichal Bhatnagar, well, RSS has no other way to mobalize people >> and claim them all as Hindus. This strong Brahminical hold in the >> disability sector has been the root-cause of the disabled mass not >> getting organized and politicized as in the west. Those you say to be >> serving the disabled decide what to read for a blind, what not to >> read, and even what to identify with. So, the service of RSS, if any, >> is only its part of its effort to mobalize people and keep them a part >> of Hinduism. This mobalization tactis in fact works better in >> gathering people into Kara Seva. >> coming to your second point, one must be against any form of violence >> against anyone. But it is ridiculous to say that the affense against >> an oppressed section is not more severe than the normal instance. Will >> you treat the killing of a strong man and that of a meek child equal? >> and, what do you really mean when you say that media must show the >> "OTHER SIDE"? >> >> slogans 30-32 say that the four Varna of people were born from Brahma >> according to their due place in the hierarchy. Please cite evidence >> for proving the Varnas were based on colour. Please refer any >> anthropological peace on the caste system. Its not mere labour >> division, but a structured hierarchy in which one's societal position >> is determined by birth. >> >> I think it is not proper to reply in this plotform for your comic >> assertion of saints working for caste abolition. >> >> >> On 12/3/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days >>> back. >>> But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion >>> which is very fruitful if we carry on... >>> Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? >>> By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... >>> And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to >>> ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public >>> sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided >>> they supply right info! >>> On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: Absolutely false! For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a more severe nature. If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as well? I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, which is totally unexceptable. The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not revealed if it is the case? The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the caste system. Even the saints are working in the same direction. And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no knowledge at all. Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. These Varnas were based on skin colour. Later, they became based on occupation. How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not > give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? > continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some > distur
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
studies of disabilities and disabled persons on castelines is in itself illogical and unscientific, v disabled persons must b above such faulty lines as castes and religions have neverever favoraly treated us, the so called disableds are xploited by such groups, media has its own agenda and they come up with such catchy items and headlines, disableds r disableds v do not belong to any caste r religion as v neither get benefits of castes r religions unlike the able bodyed, rather than being united and fighting for more rights and benefits, v r fighting among selves, exposing our weakness On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > Mr. Avichal Bhatnagar, well, RSS has no other way to mobalize people > and claim them all as Hindus. This strong Brahminical hold in the > disability sector has been the root-cause of the disabled mass not > getting organized and politicized as in the west. Those you say to be > serving the disabled decide what to read for a blind, what not to > read, and even what to identify with. So, the service of RSS, if any, > is only its part of its effort to mobalize people and keep them a part > of Hinduism. This mobalization tactis in fact works better in > gathering people into Kara Seva. > coming to your second point, one must be against any form of violence > against anyone. But it is ridiculous to say that the affense against > an oppressed section is not more severe than the normal instance. Will > you treat the killing of a strong man and that of a meek child equal? > and, what do you really mean when you say that media must show the > "OTHER SIDE"? > > slogans 30-32 say that the four Varna of people were born from Brahma > according to their due place in the hierarchy. Please cite evidence > for proving the Varnas were based on colour. Please refer any > anthropological peace on the caste system. Its not mere labour > division, but a structured hierarchy in which one's societal position > is determined by birth. > > I think it is not proper to reply in this plotform for your comic > assertion of saints working for caste abolition. > > > On 12/3/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days >> back. >> But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion >> which is very fruitful if we carry on... >> Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? >> By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... >> And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to >> ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public >> sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided >> they supply right info! >> On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >>> Absolutely false! >>> For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. >>> And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. >>> If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste >>> disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? >>> I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired >>> to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a >>> more severe nature. >>> If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste >>> inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as >>> well? >>> I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, >>> which is totally unexceptable. >>> The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. >>> Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not >>> revealed if it is the case? >>> The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the caste >>> system. >>> Even the saints are working in the same direction. >>> And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no >>> knowledge at all. >>> Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. >>> These Varnas were based on skin colour. >>> Later, they became based on occupation. >>> How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? >>> >>> On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some disturbing facts about the prevalence of caste hierarchy among the disabled. Have you ever minded of the total Hindu disabled population, their caste ratio, and the percentage accessing higher education and assistive technologies from the lowered castes? I can understand your Hindu-mind, and would respect it if it also thinks of all Hindus as equal. Are you, first of all, true to your own religious sentiments? If you are so true to your religion, why should be affended when some other Hindu completely ignored by you is given focuss and importance? But, this is exactly Hinduism, which has l
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Mr. Avichal Bhatnagar, well, RSS has no other way to mobalize people and claim them all as Hindus. This strong Brahminical hold in the disability sector has been the root-cause of the disabled mass not getting organized and politicized as in the west. Those you say to be serving the disabled decide what to read for a blind, what not to read, and even what to identify with. So, the service of RSS, if any, is only its part of its effort to mobalize people and keep them a part of Hinduism. This mobalization tactis in fact works better in gathering people into Kara Seva. coming to your second point, one must be against any form of violence against anyone. But it is ridiculous to say that the affense against an oppressed section is not more severe than the normal instance. Will you treat the killing of a strong man and that of a meek child equal? and, what do you really mean when you say that media must show the "OTHER SIDE"? slogans 30-32 say that the four Varna of people were born from Brahma according to their due place in the hierarchy. Please cite evidence for proving the Varnas were based on colour. Please refer any anthropological peace on the caste system. Its not mere labour division, but a structured hierarchy in which one's societal position is determined by birth. I think it is not proper to reply in this plotform for your comic assertion of saints working for caste abolition. On 12/3/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days back. > But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion > which is very fruitful if we carry on... > Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? > By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... > And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to > ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public > sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided > they supply right info! > On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >> Absolutely false! >> For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. >> And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. >> If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste >> disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? >> I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired >> to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a >> more severe nature. >> If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste >> inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as >> well? >> I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, >> which is totally unexceptable. >> The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. >> Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not >> revealed if it is the case? >> The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the caste >> system. >> Even the saints are working in the same direction. >> And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no >> knowledge at all. >> Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. >> These Varnas were based on skin colour. >> Later, they became based on occupation. >> How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? >> >> On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >>> Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not >>> give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? >>> continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some >>> disturbing facts about the prevalence of caste hierarchy among the >>> disabled. Have you ever minded of the total Hindu disabled population, >>> their caste ratio, and the percentage accessing higher education and >>> assistive technologies from the lowered castes? I can understand your >>> Hindu-mind, and would respect it if it also thinks of all Hindus as >>> equal. Are you, first of all, true to your own religious sentiments? >>> If you are so true to your religion, why should be affended when some >>> other Hindu completely ignored by you is given focuss and importance? >>> But, this is exactly Hinduism, which has leegalized and sanctified >>> oppression and exploitation. only at the abolition of Hinduism lies >>> the liberation of all the marginalized sections, which necessarily >>> includes the disabled community. >>> >>> note: I write this since the moderator's closing of this thread was >>> not respected by those comented yesterday and today. >>> >>> On 12/3/13, vishal sharma wrote: had it been an offender from a religious minority ,the media would not have disclosed or mentioned the religious identity . fearing communal clashes ,but conveniently forgetting even such news ,like the 1 v r discussing ,could also cause tensions and consequent clashes among hindus. or may b that was the desired intention ,to create
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Though I adhered the Moderator's call and stopped responding few days back. But Here you have brought in an interesting aspect to a discussion which is very fruitful if we carry on... Please site sources how RSS is helping disabled in profound manner? By taking them to sing songs and bhajans/keertans in temples... And I must inform you one of the activists has filed RTI in Gujarat to ascertain that how many disabled have been employed in State's public sectors since Mr Modi is the CM. Wait for the outcome provided they supply right info! On 12/3/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > Absolutely false! > For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. > And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. > If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste > disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? > I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired > to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a > more severe nature. > If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste > inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as > well? > I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, > which is totally unexceptable. > The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. > Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not > revealed if it is the case? > The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the caste > system. > Even the saints are working in the same direction. > And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no > knowledge at all. > Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. > These Varnas were based on skin colour. > Later, they became based on occupation. > How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? > > On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >> Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not >> give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? >> continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some >> disturbing facts about the prevalence of caste hierarchy among the >> disabled. Have you ever minded of the total Hindu disabled population, >> their caste ratio, and the percentage accessing higher education and >> assistive technologies from the lowered castes? I can understand your >> Hindu-mind, and would respect it if it also thinks of all Hindus as >> equal. Are you, first of all, true to your own religious sentiments? >> If you are so true to your religion, why should be affended when some >> other Hindu completely ignored by you is given focuss and importance? >> But, this is exactly Hinduism, which has leegalized and sanctified >> oppression and exploitation. only at the abolition of Hinduism lies >> the liberation of all the marginalized sections, which necessarily >> includes the disabled community. >> >> note: I write this since the moderator's closing of this thread was >> not respected by those comented yesterday and today. >> >> On 12/3/13, vishal sharma wrote: >>> had it been an offender from a religious minority ,the media would not >>> have disclosed or mentioned the religious identity . fearing communal >>> clashes ,but conveniently forgetting even such news ,like the 1 v r >>> discussing ,could also cause tensions and consequent clashes among >>> hindus. or may b that was the desired intention ,to create disharmony >>> and division among hindus? >>> >>> On 12/2/13, jignesh thakur wrote: Hi avinash sorry to say but because of leftist thinking you are trying to project upper cast Hindus anti disable. And this is not new or unnatural for the person like you. And this isn’t right place to discuss Indian express though I can prove that the said news paper always prints anti Hinduism articles. i can discuss this personally with you. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own > understanding and I respect it. > > But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. > And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a > defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its > outcome? > Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its > exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far > from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. > And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. > Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability > Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. > block quote > Prevalence of Disability among Dalits > With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in > the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among > dalits is found to be remarkably highe
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Absolutely false! For your info, RSS is helping the disabled in the most profound manner. And I must mention that RSS is strictly against the caste system. If a dalit disabled is exploited, its wrong, but if an upper caste disabled is exploited, its not that bad after all, isn't it? I agree, that dalit disabled are facing more challenges as compaired to others, but that doesn't make attrocities commited on them of a more severe nature. If the media is really keen on highlighting the so called "caste inequality", then why doesn't it have guts to show the other side as well? I am writing this because Hinduism as a whole has been criticised, which is totally unexceptable. The molesters are criminals, and the sufferers are the victims. Why is the identity of other disabled victims and their culprets not revealed if it is the case? The gods of Hinduism have always enlightened the society about the caste system. Even the saints are working in the same direction. And as it is said, half knowledge is more dangerous than having no knowledge at all. Hinduism describes the 4 Varnas, and not 4 castes. These Varnas were based on skin colour. Later, they became based on occupation. How can Hinduism be criticised for the mistake of the society? On 12/3/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not > give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? > continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some > disturbing facts about the prevalence of caste hierarchy among the > disabled. Have you ever minded of the total Hindu disabled population, > their caste ratio, and the percentage accessing higher education and > assistive technologies from the lowered castes? I can understand your > Hindu-mind, and would respect it if it also thinks of all Hindus as > equal. Are you, first of all, true to your own religious sentiments? > If you are so true to your religion, why should be affended when some > other Hindu completely ignored by you is given focuss and importance? > But, this is exactly Hinduism, which has leegalized and sanctified > oppression and exploitation. only at the abolition of Hinduism lies > the liberation of all the marginalized sections, which necessarily > includes the disabled community. > > note: I write this since the moderator's closing of this thread was > not respected by those comented yesterday and today. > > On 12/3/13, vishal sharma wrote: >> had it been an offender from a religious minority ,the media would not >> have disclosed or mentioned the religious identity . fearing communal >> clashes ,but conveniently forgetting even such news ,like the 1 v r >> discussing ,could also cause tensions and consequent clashes among >> hindus. or may b that was the desired intention ,to create disharmony >> and division among hindus? >> >> On 12/2/13, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> Hi avinash sorry to say but because of leftist thinking you are trying >>> to project upper cast Hindus anti disable. >>> And this is not new or unnatural for the person like you. >>> And this isn’t right place to discuss Indian express though I can >>> prove that the said news paper always prints anti Hinduism articles. >>> i can discuss this personally with you. >>> >>> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own understanding and I respect it. But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its outcome? Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. block quote Prevalence of Disability among Dalits With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among dalits is found to be remarkably higher (2.4%). About 92 per cent of households with disabled members across social groups have at least one disabled person. About 7 per cent of dalits and upper caste households and 5 per cent of ST households have two disabled persons. It may be noted that there is a positive relationship between the number of disabled persons in households and average size of households across all social groups. The variations across gender reveal higher prevalence of disability among males than females across all social groups. The gender gap is, however, relatively lower among dalits and STs than other social groups, suggesting equal vulnerability of b
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Hello, do those defending Hinduism mean to say caste system does not give any power or authority for the dominant "HINDU UPPER CASTES"? continuing this discussion may lead to the revelation of some disturbing facts about the prevalence of caste hierarchy among the disabled. Have you ever minded of the total Hindu disabled population, their caste ratio, and the percentage accessing higher education and assistive technologies from the lowered castes? I can understand your Hindu-mind, and would respect it if it also thinks of all Hindus as equal. Are you, first of all, true to your own religious sentiments? If you are so true to your religion, why should be affended when some other Hindu completely ignored by you is given focuss and importance? But, this is exactly Hinduism, which has leegalized and sanctified oppression and exploitation. only at the abolition of Hinduism lies the liberation of all the marginalized sections, which necessarily includes the disabled community. note: I write this since the moderator's closing of this thread was not respected by those comented yesterday and today. On 12/3/13, vishal sharma wrote: > had it been an offender from a religious minority ,the media would not > have disclosed or mentioned the religious identity . fearing communal > clashes ,but conveniently forgetting even such news ,like the 1 v r > discussing ,could also cause tensions and consequent clashes among > hindus. or may b that was the desired intention ,to create disharmony > and division among hindus? > > On 12/2/13, jignesh thakur wrote: >> Hi avinash sorry to say but because of leftist thinking you are trying >> to project upper cast Hindus anti disable. >> And this is not new or unnatural for the person like you. >> And this isn’t right place to discuss Indian express though I can >> prove that the said news paper always prints anti Hinduism articles. >> i can discuss this personally with you. >> >> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own >>> understanding and I respect it. >>> >>> But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. >>> And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a >>> defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its >>> outcome? >>> Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its >>> exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far >>> from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. >>> And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. >>> Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability >>> Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. >>> block quote >>> Prevalence of Disability among Dalits >>> With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in >>> the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among >>> dalits is found to be remarkably higher (2.4%). About 92 per cent of >>> households with disabled members across social groups have at least >>> one disabled person. About 7 per cent of dalits and upper caste >>> households and 5 per cent of ST households have two disabled persons. >>> It may be noted that there is a positive relationship between the >>> number of disabled persons in households and average size of >>> households across all social groups. The variations across gender >>> reveal higher prevalence of disability among males than females across >>> all social groups. The gender gap is, however, relatively lower among >>> dalits and STs than other social groups, suggesting equal >>> vulnerability of both males and females belonging to dalit and ST >>> communities to disability. The gender gap across different types of >>> disability shows that among dalits, the prevalence of locomotor, >>> hearing and speech disabilities and mental retardation is relatively >>> higher among males than females and the reverse is true for visual >>> disability (blindness and low vision). Mental illness, as a mild form >>> of mental disability, is higher among females across all social >>> groups. The prevalence of locomotor, speech and hearing disabilities >>> is relatively higher among dalits; whereas, the prevalence of mental >>> disability is higher among upper caste groups. Among PWD, higher >>> proportion of disabilities shows in younger age group (Dalai, 2002) >>> also among SCs and STs (Pal, 2010; Addlakha 2013 p: 266). >>> block quote end >>> Now As far as Madam Ishita said: 'I'm leftist and it is my duty to >>> criticise Hindus'. I just wish her to think, : how many Access Indians >>> are Scheduled caste and scheduled tribe Disabled? >>> I end here. >>> On 11/30/13, jignesh thakur wrote: This is nothing but unfortunate effort to defame certain culture by communist sponsored media. The same media says that we should not link any religion with terrorism and they are connecting rape with particular religion and class. Am I w
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
had it been an offender from a religious minority ,the media would not have disclosed or mentioned the religious identity . fearing communal clashes ,but conveniently forgetting even such news ,like the 1 v r discussing ,could also cause tensions and consequent clashes among hindus. or may b that was the desired intention ,to create disharmony and division among hindus? On 12/2/13, jignesh thakur wrote: > Hi avinash sorry to say but because of leftist thinking you are trying > to project upper cast Hindus anti disable. > And this is not new or unnatural for the person like you. > And this isn’t right place to discuss Indian express though I can > prove that the said news paper always prints anti Hinduism articles. > i can discuss this personally with you. > > On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own >> understanding and I respect it. >> >> But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. >> And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a >> defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its >> outcome? >> Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its >> exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far >> from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. >> And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. >> Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability >> Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. >> block quote >> Prevalence of Disability among Dalits >> With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in >> the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among >> dalits is found to be remarkably higher (2.4%). About 92 per cent of >> households with disabled members across social groups have at least >> one disabled person. About 7 per cent of dalits and upper caste >> households and 5 per cent of ST households have two disabled persons. >> It may be noted that there is a positive relationship between the >> number of disabled persons in households and average size of >> households across all social groups. The variations across gender >> reveal higher prevalence of disability among males than females across >> all social groups. The gender gap is, however, relatively lower among >> dalits and STs than other social groups, suggesting equal >> vulnerability of both males and females belonging to dalit and ST >> communities to disability. The gender gap across different types of >> disability shows that among dalits, the prevalence of locomotor, >> hearing and speech disabilities and mental retardation is relatively >> higher among males than females and the reverse is true for visual >> disability (blindness and low vision). Mental illness, as a mild form >> of mental disability, is higher among females across all social >> groups. The prevalence of locomotor, speech and hearing disabilities >> is relatively higher among dalits; whereas, the prevalence of mental >> disability is higher among upper caste groups. Among PWD, higher >> proportion of disabilities shows in younger age group (Dalai, 2002) >> also among SCs and STs (Pal, 2010; Addlakha 2013 p: 266). >> block quote end >> Now As far as Madam Ishita said: 'I'm leftist and it is my duty to >> criticise Hindus'. I just wish her to think, : how many Access Indians >> are Scheduled caste and scheduled tribe Disabled? >> I end here. >> On 11/30/13, jignesh thakur wrote: >>> This is nothing but unfortunate effort to defame certain culture by >>> communist sponsored media. >>> The same media says that we should not link any religion with >>> terrorism and they are connecting rape with particular religion and >>> class. >>> Am I wrong avinash? >>> I am against this incident but to blame upper class of Hinduism shows >>> writers morality and mentality. >>> And unfortunate thing is you are defending such writers like always. >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: If it would have been vice versa, it would have been a miner mishap, right? On 11/30/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only > if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, > all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than > the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled > to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and > disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a > wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that > those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special > provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say > "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! > > On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >> I agree, >> The incident is really very horrible, but
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Hi avinash sorry to say but because of leftist thinking you are trying to project upper cast Hindus anti disable. And this is not new or unnatural for the person like you. And this isn’t right place to discuss Indian express though I can prove that the said news paper always prints anti Hinduism articles. i can discuss this personally with you. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own > understanding and I respect it. > > But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. > And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a > defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its > outcome? > Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its > exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far > from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. > And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. > Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability > Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. > block quote > Prevalence of Disability among Dalits > With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in > the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among > dalits is found to be remarkably higher (2.4%). About 92 per cent of > households with disabled members across social groups have at least > one disabled person. About 7 per cent of dalits and upper caste > households and 5 per cent of ST households have two disabled persons. > It may be noted that there is a positive relationship between the > number of disabled persons in households and average size of > households across all social groups. The variations across gender > reveal higher prevalence of disability among males than females across > all social groups. The gender gap is, however, relatively lower among > dalits and STs than other social groups, suggesting equal > vulnerability of both males and females belonging to dalit and ST > communities to disability. The gender gap across different types of > disability shows that among dalits, the prevalence of locomotor, > hearing and speech disabilities and mental retardation is relatively > higher among males than females and the reverse is true for visual > disability (blindness and low vision). Mental illness, as a mild form > of mental disability, is higher among females across all social > groups. The prevalence of locomotor, speech and hearing disabilities > is relatively higher among dalits; whereas, the prevalence of mental > disability is higher among upper caste groups. Among PWD, higher > proportion of disabilities shows in younger age group (Dalai, 2002) > also among SCs and STs (Pal, 2010; Addlakha 2013 p: 266). > block quote end > Now As far as Madam Ishita said: 'I'm leftist and it is my duty to > criticise Hindus'. I just wish her to think, : how many Access Indians > are Scheduled caste and scheduled tribe Disabled? > I end here. > On 11/30/13, jignesh thakur wrote: >> This is nothing but unfortunate effort to defame certain culture by >> communist sponsored media. >> The same media says that we should not link any religion with >> terrorism and they are connecting rape with particular religion and >> class. >> Am I wrong avinash? >> I am against this incident but to blame upper class of Hinduism shows >> writers morality and mentality. >> And unfortunate thing is you are defending such writers like always. >> >> >> On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >>> If it would have been vice versa, it would have been a miner mishap, >>> right? >>> >>> On 11/30/13, muruganandan.k wrote: hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > I agree, > The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as > "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting > the caste system. > A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the > victim. > > On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >> As expected from leftist. >> It is your duty to abuse hindus. >> Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. >> Will meet somewhere ells. >> Sorry moderator sir for this remark. >> >> >> On 11/30/13
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Who am I to pronounce whether you're wrong or right? you have your own understanding and I respect it. But mind you The Indian Express is not Left-leaning daily. And I wonder how some of you are maintaining that caste is not a defining ascriped identity which determines your action and its outcome? Caste system is the bedrock of Hinduism and one can not deny its exploitative nature. And Scheduled caste disabled are still very far from using screan-reading softwares and aquiring high salaried jobs. And violence on scheduled caste disabled women is rampent. Below sharing few paragraphs from recently published book: 'Disability Gender and State Policy' hope this helps. block quote Prevalence of Disability among Dalits With an estimated figure of 1.8 per cent persons with disabilities in the overall population of India, the prevalence of disability among dalits is found to be remarkably higher (2.4%). About 92 per cent of households with disabled members across social groups have at least one disabled person. About 7 per cent of dalits and upper caste households and 5 per cent of ST households have two disabled persons. It may be noted that there is a positive relationship between the number of disabled persons in households and average size of households across all social groups. The variations across gender reveal higher prevalence of disability among males than females across all social groups. The gender gap is, however, relatively lower among dalits and STs than other social groups, suggesting equal vulnerability of both males and females belonging to dalit and ST communities to disability. The gender gap across different types of disability shows that among dalits, the prevalence of locomotor, hearing and speech disabilities and mental retardation is relatively higher among males than females and the reverse is true for visual disability (blindness and low vision). Mental illness, as a mild form of mental disability, is higher among females across all social groups. The prevalence of locomotor, speech and hearing disabilities is relatively higher among dalits; whereas, the prevalence of mental disability is higher among upper caste groups. Among PWD, higher proportion of disabilities shows in younger age group (Dalai, 2002) also among SCs and STs (Pal, 2010; Addlakha 2013 p: 266). block quote end Now As far as Madam Ishita said: 'I'm leftist and it is my duty to criticise Hindus'. I just wish her to think, : how many Access Indians are Scheduled caste and scheduled tribe Disabled? I end here. On 11/30/13, jignesh thakur wrote: > This is nothing but unfortunate effort to defame certain culture by > communist sponsored media. > The same media says that we should not link any religion with > terrorism and they are connecting rape with particular religion and > class. > Am I wrong avinash? > I am against this incident but to blame upper class of Hinduism shows > writers morality and mentality. > And unfortunate thing is you are defending such writers like always. > > > On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >> If it would have been vice versa, it would have been a miner mishap, >> right? >> >> On 11/30/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >>> hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only >>> if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, >>> all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than >>> the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled >>> to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and >>> disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a >>> wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that >>> those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special >>> provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say >>> "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! >>> >>> On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: I agree, The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting the caste system. A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: > As expected from leftist. > It is your duty to abuse hindus. > Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. > Will meet somewhere ells. > Sorry moderator sir for this remark. > > > On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... >> metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks >> volumes... >> in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and >> violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the >> police and the administration and remain scot free. >> Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the >> country. >> We'll carry on this if y
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This is nothing but unfortunate effort to defame certain culture by communist sponsored media. The same media says that we should not link any religion with terrorism and they are connecting rape with particular religion and class. Am I wrong avinash? I am against this incident but to blame upper class of Hinduism shows writers morality and mentality. And unfortunate thing is you are defending such writers like always. On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > If it would have been vice versa, it would have been a miner mishap, right? > > On 11/30/13, muruganandan.k wrote: >> hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only >> if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, >> all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than >> the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled >> to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and >> disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a >> wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that >> those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special >> provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say >> "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! >> >> On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >>> I agree, >>> The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as >>> "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting >>> the caste system. >>> A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the >>> victim. >>> >>> On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: As expected from leftist. It is your duty to abuse hindus. Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. Will meet somewhere ells. Sorry moderator sir for this remark. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... > metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks > volumes... > in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and > violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the > police and the administration and remain scot free. > Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the > country. > We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. > On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> what is this? >> though i condemn this but still... >> >> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI >>> Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >>> Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >>> http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece >>> A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested >>> by >>> a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at >>> Thoothukudi on Monday. >>> >>> Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T >>> Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her >>> husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, >>> Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. >>> >>> On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, >>> Kanagavalli, >>> took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the >>> Komaspuram village. >>> >>> While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth >>> with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their >>> attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to >>> her >>> niece. >>> >>> Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to >>> Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of >>> her >>> relative. >>> >>> When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the >>> woman in the same place. >>> >>> However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified >>> as >>> Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of >>> Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, >>> Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. >>> >>> A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the >>> IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. >>> >>> Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, >>> during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Avinash Shahi >>> M.Phil Research Scholar >>> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance >>> Jawaharlal Nehru University >>> New Delhi India >>> >>> R
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If it would have been vice versa, it would have been a miner mishap, right? On 11/30/13, muruganandan.k wrote: > hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only > if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, > all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than > the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled > to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and > disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a > wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that > those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special > provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say > "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! > > On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: >> I agree, >> The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as >> "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting >> the caste system. >> A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. >> >> On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >>> As expected from leftist. >>> It is your duty to abuse hindus. >>> Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. >>> Will meet somewhere ells. >>> Sorry moderator sir for this remark. >>> >>> >>> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks volumes... in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the police and the administration and remain scot free. Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > what is this? > though i condemn this but still... > > On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI >> Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >> Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >> http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece >> A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested >> by >> a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at >> Thoothukudi on Monday. >> >> Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T >> Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her >> husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, >> Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. >> >> On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, >> Kanagavalli, >> took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the >> Komaspuram village. >> >> While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth >> with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their >> attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to >> her >> niece. >> >> Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to >> Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her >> relative. >> >> When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the >> woman in the same place. >> >> However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as >> Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of >> Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, >> Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. >> >> A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the >> IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. >> >> Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, >> during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. >> >> >> -- >> Avinash Shahi >> M.Phil Research Scholar >> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> New Delhi India >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >> accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at
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hello, the amount of a criminal offense can be properly accounted only if we take the vulnerability of the affected person... First of all, all the disabled persons are not equal, some are far less equal than the others. Caste is the vital marker which marginalizes the disabled to a great extent in South Asia. Fighting against castism and disability rights are not entirely separate issues... Only when a wound is exposed that it can be healed! I would strongly put that those protecting the caste system have no right to claim any special provision as a disabled person. I think its perfectly right to say "Caste Hindus"! thanks for sharing this news Abinash! On 11/30/13, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: > I agree, > The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as > "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting > the caste system. > A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. > > On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >> As expected from leftist. >> It is your duty to abuse hindus. >> Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. >> Will meet somewhere ells. >> Sorry moderator sir for this remark. >> >> >> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... >>> metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks >>> volumes... >>> in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and >>> violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the >>> police and the administration and remain scot free. >>> Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. >>> We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. >>> On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio what is this? though i condemn this but still... On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI > Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM > Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM > http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece > A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested > by > a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at > Thoothukudi on Monday. > > Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T > Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her > husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, > Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. > > On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, > took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the > Komaspuram village. > > While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth > with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their > attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her > niece. > > Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to > Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her > relative. > > When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the > woman in the same place. > > However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as > Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of > Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, > Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. > > A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the > IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. > > Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, > during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > M.Phil Research Scholar > Centre for The Study of Law and Governance > Jawaharlal Nehru University > New Delhi India > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing > accessibility > of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, > please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking > of > the > person sending the mail and AI in no
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
I agree, The incident is really very horrible, but by writing words such as "dalit woman" and "A caste Hindu trio" we are unnecessarily promoting the caste system. A criminal is neither a member of any caste/religion etc, nor the victim. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: > As expected from leftist. > It is your duty to abuse hindus. > Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. > Will meet somewhere ells. > Sorry moderator sir for this remark. > > > On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... >> metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks >> volumes... >> in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and >> violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the >> police and the administration and remain scot free. >> Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. >> We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. >> On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >>> a caste Hindu trio >>> a caste Hindu trio >>> a caste Hindu trio >>> a caste Hindu trio >>> what is this? >>> though i condemn this but still... >>> >>> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at Thoothukudi on Monday. Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the Komaspuram village. While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her niece. Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her relative. When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the woman in the same place. However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer:
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
As expected from leftist. It is your duty to abuse hindus. Anyway this list is not for discussing such things. Will meet somewhere ells. Sorry moderator sir for this remark. On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... > metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks > volumes... > in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and > violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the > police and the administration and remain scot free. > Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. > We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. > On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> a caste Hindu trio >> what is this? >> though i condemn this but still... >> >> On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >>> Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI >>> Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >>> Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >>> http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece >>> A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by >>> a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at >>> Thoothukudi on Monday. >>> >>> Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T >>> Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her >>> husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, >>> Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. >>> >>> On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, >>> took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the >>> Komaspuram village. >>> >>> While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth >>> with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their >>> attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her >>> niece. >>> >>> Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to >>> Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her >>> relative. >>> >>> When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the >>> woman in the same place. >>> >>> However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as >>> Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of >>> Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, >>> Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. >>> >>> A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the >>> IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. >>> >>> Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, >>> during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Avinash Shahi >>> M.Phil Research Scholar >>> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance >>> Jawaharlal Nehru University >>> New Delhi India >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> the >>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>> >>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > M.Phil Research Scholar > Centre for The Study of Law and Governance > Jawaharlal Nehru University > N
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
Your 'why' will be best answered by New Indian Express literally... metaphorically, and of course actually, a caste hindu treo speaks volumes... in nutshell, Upper caste criminals who perpetrate sexual violence and violate bodily autonomy of scheduled caste women connive with the police and the administration and remain scot free. Intersectionality in disability is understudied reality in the country. We'll carry on this if you desire on some other platform?.. On 11/30/13, ishita kapoor wrote: > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > a caste Hindu trio > what is this? > though i condemn this but still... > > On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: >> Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI >> Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >> Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM >> http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece >> A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by >> a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at >> Thoothukudi on Monday. >> >> Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T >> Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her >> husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, >> Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. >> >> On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, >> took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the >> Komaspuram village. >> >> While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth >> with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their >> attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her >> niece. >> >> Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to >> Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her >> relative. >> >> When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the >> woman in the same place. >> >> However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as >> Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of >> Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, >> Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. >> >> A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the >> IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. >> >> Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, >> during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. >> >> >> -- >> Avinash Shahi >> M.Phil Research Scholar >> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance >> Jawaharlal Nehru University >> New Delhi India >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.
Re: [AI] Deaf, mute dalit widow molested by caste Hindu trio in Thoothukudi
a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio a caste Hindu trio what is this? though i condemn this but still... On 11/30/13, avinash shahi wrote: > Express News Service - THOOTHUKUDI > Published: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM > Last Updated: 20th November 2013 08:20 AM > http://newindianexpress.com/states/tamil_nadu/Deaf-mute-dalit-widow-molested-by-caste-Hindu-trio-in-Thoothukudi/2013/11/20/article1900673.ece > A 36-year-old differently-abled dalit widow, was allegedly molested by > a caste Hindu trio, who also abused her using her caste name, at > Thoothukudi on Monday. > > Sources said that Amutha, widow of Mariappan and a resident of T > Saveriapuram here, was both deaf and dumb. After the death of her > husband Mariappan seven years ago, she was living with her father, > Sakthivel, who worked as a watchman. > > On Monday evening, she, along with her 13-year old niece, Kanagavalli, > took her goats for grazing to a field on the western side of the > Komaspuram village. > > While she was herding the goats, a caste Hindu trio closed her mouth > with their hands and forcibly took her away. When she resisted their > attempts, they abused the woman using her caste name, according to her > niece. > > Kanagavalli, who was alarmed by the brutality of the trio, rushed to > Thalamuthunagar police station and informed about the ‘kidnap’ of her > relative. > > When police rushed to the spot, the trio fled the scene leaving the > woman in the same place. > > However, police managed to catch two of them. They were identified as > Selvam (36), son of Munisamy, and Saravanamuthu(23), son of > Shanmugavel, both from Davispuram in Thoothukudi. The third person, > Lakshmana Kumar, son of Soundarapandi, took to his heels. > > A case has been filed against the trio under various sections of the > IPC and 3(1)(XI) of SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act. > > Subsequently, police arrested the two persons. On Tuesday morning, > during a search police arrested the third person, Lakshmana Kumar. > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > M.Phil Research Scholar > Centre for The Study of Law and Governance > Jawaharlal Nehru University > New Delhi India > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
