Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Salz, Rich]

The IESG has posted a a virtual-107 schedule, it's available at 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/i-tbl-a8fSzqT6sl92xXdfRPDAY/
It's only a subset of the original face-to-face schedule, and their rationale 
is included in the message.

ACME is not on the list.  So let's proceed with the usual process of email.  If 
the WG wants a virtual interim, we can do that.  So far only one person has 
requested it. If anyone else is interested, please post.

/r$


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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Yoav Nir]

The IESG are considering the options and will let us know. The intent is still 
to have a week of virtual meetings.

After that ACME can decide if we’re participating in that, or making our own 
virtual interim a few weeks later.

> On 10 Mar 2020, at 22:21, Mary Barnes  wrote:
> 
> So, I thought it was a possibility to have the week consist of all virtual 
> meetings.  Or has that been totally removed from the table?  Some of us like 
> that option as we've already blocked that week in our calendars.  
> 
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:07 PM Yoav Nir  > wrote:
> 
> 
> > On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act as 
> > chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable to 
> > cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may 
> > decide to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.
> 
> As it turns out, this decision has been made for us, as the entire meeting 
> has been cancelled.
> 
> We will discuss on this list whether, when, and in what format we are 
> planning on having a virtual meeting to replace the physical one.
> 
> See you all around, physically or virtually
> 
> Rich and Yoav
> 

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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Mary Barnes]

So, I thought it was a possibility to have the week consist of all virtual
meetings.  Or has that been totally removed from the table?  Some of us
like that option as we've already blocked that week in our calendars.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 3:07 PM Yoav Nir  wrote:

>
>
> > On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act
> as chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable
> to cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may
> decide to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.
>
> As it turns out, this decision has been made for us, as the entire meeting
> has been cancelled.
>
> We will discuss on this list whether, when, and in what format we are
> planning on having a virtual meeting to replace the physical one.
>
> See you all around, physically or virtually
>
> Rich and Yoav
>
>
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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Yoav Nir]

> On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich  wrote:
> 
> Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act as 
> chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable to 
> cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may 
> decide to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.

As it turns out, this decision has been made for us, as the entire meeting has 
been cancelled.

We will discuss on this list whether, when, and in what format we are planning 
on having a virtual meeting to replace the physical one.

See you all around, physically or virtually

Rich and Yoav

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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Owen Friel (ofriel)]

-Original Message-
From: Acme  On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
Sent: 10 March 2020 05:47
To: Salz, Rich 
Cc: Alexey Melnikov ; acme@ietf.org; Mary Barnes 

Subject: Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

> draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
> Michael Richardson can present.

I was given some slides (wasn't I Owen? Or did you just say that you'd send 
some), and the major item was to clarify the changes that were made based
comments.   I think that there isn't much to say.   I have running code that
integrates ACME with a BRSKI Registrar.

[ofriel] you *will be* given some slides :)


> draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
> Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption

At first, I think that we thought that this work required no standard action, 
because it was within the server's policy to do this or not.
However, the client may not know the server's policy, and so section 5 adds the 
basedomain and implicitSubdomainAuthorization boolean.  If it comes back false 
(or missing), then the client knows it has to perform authorizations for every 
request (which is what my code above does).

I think that the WG previously expressed interest in adopting it, pending some 
changes, and those changes are made.  It may not need actual WG time, except 
that having it on a schedule sometimes gets a document read :-)

 [ofriel] Similarly, you *will be* given some slides :)


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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Michael Richardson]

Salz, Rich  wrote:
  > Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to
  > act as chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems
  > reasonable to cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of
  > course "they" may decide to cancel anyway, but please post your
  > opinion here.

Hi, if you are going to cancel (I would prefer NOT to), then please schedule
a virtual interim for early April to replace it.

> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-04, ACME Challenges Using an Authority 
Token -and-
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-05,  TNAuthList profile of 
ACME Authority Token
> Any update from the authors?  Is this ready for WGLC?
> This has never had much in-person discussion, and the domain expertise is 
in STIR

I have read this document when it came up in STIR, and I don't think that
here is much to say about this.  Is there feedback from implementers? I don't
think that this needs face time to advance.

> draft-ietf-acme-client-00, ACME End User Client and Code Signing 
Certificates
> Any updates?  This was recently adopted by the WG.

no idea.

> draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
> Michael Richardson can present.

I was given some slides (wasn't I Owen? Or did you just say that you'd send
some), and the major item was to clarify the changes that were made based
comments.   I think that there isn't much to say.   I have running code that
integrates ACME with a BRSKI Registrar.

> draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
> Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption

At first, I think that we thought that this work required no standard action,
because it was within the server's policy to do this or not.
However, the client may not know the server's policy, and so section 5 adds
the basedomain and implicitSubdomainAuthorization boolean.  If it comes back
false (or missing), then the client knows it has to perform authorizations for
every request (which is what my code above does).

I think that the WG previously expressed interest in adopting it, pending
some changes, and those changes are made.  It may not need actual WG time,
except that having it on a schedule sometimes gets a document read :-)

> draft-ietf-acme-email-smime-06, Extensions to Automatic Certificate
> Management Environment for end user S/MIME certificates
> Any updates?  Ready for WGLC?

> draft-ietf-acme-star-delegation-03, An ACME Profile for Generating 
Delegated STAR Certificates
> Yaron just pushed a new update.  Does this need F2F time?  The main
> document (draft-ietf-acme-star-11,  Support for Short-Term,
> Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates in Automated Certificate
> Management Environment (ACME) is already in IESG review and probably
> wants this one to be in the same bundle.)

I think both are ready to be adopted.

--
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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Yaron Sheffer]

It would not be the first time people confused Yoav and myself. I am honored...

Yaron (me) is not planning to be there, I am banned by both my company and my 
government.

Re: STAR, Rich didn't get it completely right: the base STAR is in AUTH48 and 
might actually get published in the next day or two. STAR Delegation has made 
lots of progress since the last meeting, but personally (I have not consulted 
with my coauthors) I think is not ready for LC yet. I'll be happy to present 
the progress remotely, if the meeting does happen.

Thanks,
Yaron



On 3/9/20, 19:42, "Salz, Rich"  wrote:

That is what I get for looking at the "new draft" email from Yaron while 
writing mail to ACME.  Ooops.


On 3/9/20, 1:34 PM, "Yoav Nir"  wrote:

…and Yoav won’t be there either. No idea about Yaron.

> On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich 
 wrote:
> 
> Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to 
act as chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable 
to cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may 
decide to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.
> 
> Let’s look at the documents in our queue and see which need time at 
IETF 107.  See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/acme/documents/ to link to the 
document.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-04, ACME Challenges Using an 
Authority Token -and-
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-05,  TNAuthList profile of 
ACME Authority Token
>   Any update from the authors?  Is this ready for WGLC?
>   This has never had much in-person discussion, and the domain 
expertise is in STIR
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-client-00, ACME End User Client and Code Signing 
Certificates
>   Any updates?  This was recently adopted by the WG.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
>   Michael Richardson can present.
> 
> draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
>   Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-email-smime-06, Extensions to Automatic Certificate 
Management Environment for end user S/MIME certificates
>   Any updates?  Ready for WGLC?
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-star-delegation-03, An ACME Profile for Generating 
Delegated STAR Certificates
>   Yaron just pushed a new update.  Does this need F2F time?  The 
main document (draft-ietf-acme-star-11,  Support for Short-Term, 
Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates in Automated Certificate Management 
Environment (ACME) is already in IESG review and probably wants this one to be 
in the same bundle.)
> 
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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Salz, Rich]

That is what I get for looking at the "new draft" email from Yaron while 
writing mail to ACME.  Ooops.


On 3/9/20, 1:34 PM, "Yoav Nir"  wrote:

…and Yoav won’t be there either. No idea about Yaron.

> On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich  
wrote:
> 
> Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act 
as chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable to 
cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may decide 
to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.
> 
> Let’s look at the documents in our queue and see which need time at IETF 
107.  See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/acme/documents/ to link to the 
document.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-04, ACME Challenges Using an Authority 
Token -and-
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-05,  TNAuthList profile of 
ACME Authority Token
>   Any update from the authors?  Is this ready for WGLC?
>   This has never had much in-person discussion, and the domain expertise 
is in STIR
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-client-00, ACME End User Client and Code Signing 
Certificates
>   Any updates?  This was recently adopted by the WG.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
>   Michael Richardson can present.
> 
> draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
>   Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-email-smime-06, Extensions to Automatic Certificate 
Management Environment for end user S/MIME certificates
>   Any updates?  Ready for WGLC?
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-star-delegation-03, An ACME Profile for Generating 
Delegated STAR Certificates
>   Yaron just pushed a new update.  Does this need F2F time?  The main 
document (draft-ietf-acme-star-11,  Support for Short-Term, 
Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates in Automated Certificate Management 
Environment (ACME) is already in IESG review and probably wants this one to be 
in the same bundle.)
> 
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Re: [Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Yoav Nir]

…and Yoav won’t be there either. No idea about Yaron.

> On 9 Mar 2020, at 17:11, Salz, Rich  wrote:
> 
> Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act as 
> chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable to 
> cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may 
> decide to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.
> 
> Let’s look at the documents in our queue and see which need time at IETF 107. 
>  See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/acme/documents/ to link to the document.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-04, ACME Challenges Using an Authority Token 
> -and-
> draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-05,  TNAuthList profile of ACME 
> Authority Token
>   Any update from the authors?  Is this ready for WGLC?
>   This has never had much in-person discussion, and the domain expertise 
> is in STIR
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-client-00, ACME End User Client and Code Signing Certificates
>   Any updates?  This was recently adopted by the WG.
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
>   Michael Richardson can present.
> 
> draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
>   Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-email-smime-06, Extensions to Automatic Certificate 
> Management Environment for end user S/MIME certificates
>   Any updates?  Ready for WGLC?
> 
> draft-ietf-acme-star-delegation-03, An ACME Profile for Generating Delegated 
> STAR Certificates
>   Yaron just pushed a new update.  Does this need F2F time?  The main 
> document (draft-ietf-acme-star-11,  Support for Short-Term, 
> Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates in Automated Certificate Management 
> Environment (ACME) is already in IESG review and probably wants this one to 
> be in the same bundle.)
> 
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[Acme] IETF 107; agenda

[Salz, Rich]

Yaron and I cannot attend and will be remote.  We have volunteers to act as 
chairs for us (on CC).  Looking at the list below, it seems reasonable to 
cancel our session.  PLEASE POST IF YOU DISAGREE.  Of course "they" may decide 
to cancel anyway, but please post your opinion here.

Let’s look at the documents in our queue and see which need time at IETF 107.  
See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/acme/documents/ to link to the document.

draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-04, ACME Challenges Using an Authority Token 
-and-
draft-ietf-acme-authority-token-tnauthlist-05,  TNAuthList profile of ACME 
Authority Token
Any update from the authors?  Is this ready for WGLC?
This has never had much in-person discussion, and the domain expertise 
is in STIR

draft-ietf-acme-client-00, ACME End User Client and Code Signing Certificates
Any updates?  This was recently adopted by the WG.

draft-ietf-acme-integrations-00, ACME Integrations
Michael Richardson can present.

draft-friel-acme-subdomains-02
Michael Richardson can present; this is a topic for WG adoption

draft-ietf-acme-email-smime-06, Extensions to Automatic Certificate Management 
Environment for end user S/MIME certificates
Any updates?  Ready for WGLC?

draft-ietf-acme-star-delegation-03, An ACME Profile for Generating Delegated 
STAR Certificates
Yaron just pushed a new update.  Does this need F2F time?  The main 
document (draft-ietf-acme-star-11,  Support for Short-Term, 
Automatically-Renewed (STAR) Certificates in Automated Certificate Management 
Environment (ACME) is already in IESG review and probably wants this one to be 
in the same bundle.)


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