Re: Meeting minutes of PA4 planning meeting

[Aaron J. Seigo]

On Friday, October 26, 2012 17:32:08 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> them in the wiki (transforming a chatlog into a structured, coherent text
> is more work than I expected):

yep :) thanks for doing this. it looks really good.

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Meeting minutes of PA4 planning meeting

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

Hi all,
sorry for taking so long to write the meeting minutes, but I've finally put them 
in the wiki (transforming a chatlog into a structured, coherent text is more 
work than I expected):

http://community.kde.org/PA4PlanningMinutes

Feel free to correct errors directly on the wiki or reply here if you think 
something is discussion-worthy.


Once it is finalized, I'd like to pu some content from it into the appropriate 
wiki pages, since most of them are really outdated by now.


Cheers,
Thomas
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Re: "Big picture" design one release cycle ahead?

[Aaron J. Seigo]

On Friday, October 26, 2012 13:21:49 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> So what do you guys think? Is the path to task-driven design worth putting
> some effort into it ahead of time?

+1 from me.

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Re: sum up of yesterday IRC meeting

[Aaron J. Seigo]

On Friday, October 26, 2012 16:23:16 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On 25.10.2012 17:44, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > the current list of scheuled topics, in alphabetical order, include:
> > 
> > * Add-Ons
> > * Alarms
> > * Books + eReader
> > * Browser
> > * Files
> > * keyboard
> > * News / MicroBlog
> > * Share Like Connect
> 
> * Making more Plasmoids available
> * Maybe syncing if sebas needs help from others here

ah, this list is just for review of existing work. Marco and I are focused on 
doing only that this dev cycle.

new features ... we're leaving to others :)

so yes, sebas is working on syncing w/owncloud; JP is working on screen 
rotation; ... ?

(sorry, i should have made that clearer in my original email)

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Re: Files: 3 weeks starting monday the 29th

[Björn Balazs]

Hi Aaron,

I have PA3 running on my exoPC fine. Thanks for offering your help!

Cheers,
Björn

Am Freitag, 26. Oktober 2012, 12:50:57 schrieb Aaron J. Seigo:
> On Thursday, October 25, 2012 19:43:14 Björn Balazs wrote:
> > Cool! I like that approach :)
> 
> Bjorn: do you have access to Plasma Active in some form, so you can 
also try
> out the applications and see how they work? If not, let me know, and 
I'll
> do my best to get you set up so you can participate a bit more 
easily ...
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Re: sum up of yesterday IRC meeting

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 25.10.2012 17:44, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:


the current list of scheuled topics, in alphabetical order, include:

* Add-Ons
* Alarms
* Books + eReader
* Browser
* Files
* keyboard
* News / MicroBlog
* Share Like Connect


* Making more Plasmoids available
* Maybe syncing if sebas needs help from others here

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Re: Enabling UMTS on Archos G9 in Plasma Active

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 26.10.2012 15:14, Sebastian Kügler wrote:

On Friday, October 26, 2012 13:52:30 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:

On 26.10.2012 13:30, Maurice de la Ferte wrote:

we added 3G/UMTS support to our latest Archos Gen9 Plasma Active devel and
testing images. Great thanks to Ruediger Gad who did this work and also
published accurate dokumentation about on
http://ruedigergad.com/2012/10/07/enabling-umts-on-archos-g9-in-plasma-ac
tive/#more-566



Very nice!
Are there plans to get 3G running on Wetab 3G/Exopc as well?


In principle it should work already. What are the specific problems?


Last time I tried (which was quite a while ago, shortly after we introduced 
NetworkManager) I could not make it connect. I guess I should try it again soon 
and see if it works or if not what does not work.


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Re: Enabling UMTS on Archos G9 in Plasma Active

[Jean Cayron]

Hi,

Great. Unfortunately I don't have the 3G stick either (but the Archos G9).
And it becomes hard to find it on the market. On Archos' store it is no
more available.

Regards,

Jean
2012/10/26 Thomas Pfeiffer 

> On 26.10.2012 13:30, Maurice de la Ferte wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> we added 3G/UMTS support to our latest Archos Gen9 Plasma Active devel
>> and testing images.
>> Great thanks to Ruediger Gad who did this work and also published
>> accurate dokumentation
>> about on http://ruedigergad.com/2012/**10/07/enabling-umts-on-archos-**
>> g9-in-plasma-active/#more-566
>>
>
> Very nice! :)
> Are there plans to get 3G running on Wetab 3G/Exopc as well?
>
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Re: Enabling UMTS on Archos G9 in Plasma Active

[Sebastian Kügler]

On Friday, October 26, 2012 13:52:30 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> On 26.10.2012 13:30, Maurice de la Ferte wrote:
> > we added 3G/UMTS support to our latest Archos Gen9 Plasma Active devel and
> > testing images. Great thanks to Ruediger Gad who did this work and also
> > published accurate dokumentation about on
> > http://ruedigergad.com/2012/10/07/enabling-umts-on-archos-g9-in-plasma-ac
> > tive/#more-566

> Very nice!
> Are there plans to get 3G running on Wetab 3G/Exopc as well?

In principle it should work already. What are the specific problems?
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Re: Enabling UMTS on Archos G9 in Plasma Active

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 26.10.2012 13:30, Maurice de la Ferte wrote:

Hi all,

we added 3G/UMTS support to our latest Archos Gen9 Plasma Active devel and 
testing images.
Great thanks to Ruediger Gad who did this work and also published accurate 
dokumentation
about on 
http://ruedigergad.com/2012/10/07/enabling-umts-on-archos-g9-in-plasma-active/#more-566


Very nice! :)
Are there plans to get 3G running on Wetab 3G/Exopc as well?

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Enabling UMTS on Archos G9 in Plasma Active

[Maurice de la Ferte]

Hi all,

we added 3G/UMTS support to our latest Archos Gen9 Plasma Active devel and 
testing images.
Great thanks to Ruediger Gad who did this work and also published accurate 
dokumentation
about on 
http://ruedigergad.com/2012/10/07/enabling-umts-on-archos-g9-in-plasma-active/#more-566

Latest weekly Testing and Devel images should already contain all needed parts 
to get the external
Archos 3G UMTS stick running out of the box:

http://share.basyskom.com/plasma-active/archos_gen9.html

Also If you like to try it out on a previous installed release image, just do 
following
steps in 'Konsole' application:

mer@device# su
root@device# zypper ar -f 
http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/KDE:/Mer_Extras:/Adaptation:/Archos-gen9/Project_KDE_Trunk_Testing_0.20120816.1_armv7l/
 Archos_gen9_testing
root@device# zypper refresh
root@device# zypper up

Please note, a kernel update to the flash is mandatory to get the 3G/UMTS 
support working.

Sadly for lack of this stick I'm not able to verify it on my own, but I cannot 
find any regressions
yet. Feedback would be very nice, so we can make this update available to 
release image repository.

Cheers,

Maurice

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"Big picture" design one release cycle ahead?

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

Hey folks,
I have a suggestion:
I fully support Aaron's idea of small concentrated effort sprints with 
integrated design and development, which comes pretty close to agile development.
However, product managers in the industry have found that such short design 
cycles do not work well for all kinds of design. They work well for small 
features/improvements, but for introducing larger changes or completely new 
concepts, longer research/strategy/design phases work better.
One of these big changes for me is fleshing out the general concept of 
task-driven design for PA. Since the big picture won't be implemented in PA4 
anyway (we already got our hands full with small improvements/polish), I think 
it would make sense to use this release cycle to work design-wise on the big 
picture of a task-driven system parallel to designing the detailed improvements 
for PA4 in each focus sprint.
The big disadvantage is of course that design capacity is split between the two, 
but i think this is pretty much unavoidable since designing for a new metaphor 
requires more then just a few weeks and we probably don't want to have a full 
release without any actual development. In case of insufficient design capacity 
for both, the focus sprints would always have higher priority, of course.
The biggest advantage to me is that ideally we have a broad concept for 
task-driven design ready by the end of the PA4 cycle and can implement the 
details for PA5 if we wish to do so.
So what do you guys think? Is the path to task-driven design worth putting some 
effort into it ahead of time?


Cheers,
Thomas
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Re: Files: 3 weeks starting monday the 29th

[Aaron J. Seigo]

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 19:43:14 Björn Balazs wrote:
> Cool! I like that approach :)

Bjorn: do you have access to Plasma Active in some form, so you can also try
out the applications and see how they work? If not, let me know, and I'll do
my best to get you set up so you can participate a bit more easily ...

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Re: sum up of yesterday IRC meeting

[Bogdan Cristea]

On Friday 26 October 2012 10:31:29 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> I'm asking myself what the benefit of that would be as well. Sure some
> users  prefer one animation slightly over the other, but I don't see that
> as idiosyncratic enough to warrant a config option, to be honest. Going
> with an animation that most users like and nobody absolutely hates should
> be enough here.

That is rather a matter of taste and user preferences. There is indeed an 
average user taste wich should be enough for now, but in a long run providing 
several options (not only for user animation) should be a better approach.

> >> Not sure how well works the app store, hopefully I will put there
> >>soon my>>
> >> own version of the e-book reader
> 
> I don't think developing two different readers in parallel is the most
> efficient  use of our manpower. Personally I'd prefer if everyone
> interested in ebook/PDF reader development in PA joined forces to create
> the best possible reader.

Agree that given the current state of the AP development is better to join 
forces.

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Re: sum up of yesterday IRC meeting

[Marco Martin]

On Friday 26 October 2012, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote:
> > 
> > (when i ask "why?" i mean: what is the user benefit)
> 
> I'm asking myself what the benefit of that would be as well. Sure some
> users prefer one animation slightly over the other, but I don't see that
> as idiosyncratic enough to warrant a config option, to be honest. Going
> with an animation that most users like and nobody absolutely hates should
> be enough here.

it may be actually instead an use case for another app.
ie i would like to encourage the default apps to be as barebone as possible, 
and this leads to choices, ie going for an animation style and be set with it 
and aavoid settings, especially when they don't bring a real new feature but 
just slightly different behaviors.

But at the same time not discourage too much attempts of doing fancier stuff 
(yes i know maintaining a tight control like that on ui guidelines can seem 
very restrictive for many), and the addons store is a good solution for that.

if the okular qml components are shared and developed in common, the 
duplication would be just on the ui bits

> 
> One upside of offering two readers, however, is to test if file association
> works smoothly with Add Ons, i.e. if a user installs the alternative
> reader, PDFs and ebooks should always be opened in that one and if she
> uninstalls it again, everything should be opened with the default reader
> again.

the desktop files of the apps can have a priority defined in, so if we care 
that the default ones have a certain one (or no more than a certain one)
the ones that come in addons can have a bigger defined one, so they win if 
they get installed, and of course removing them the default one gets back

(we could even avoid to have a "preferred apps" ui at least for a long while 
this way)

Cheers,
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Re: sum up of yesterday IRC meeting

[Thomas Pfeiffer]

On 25.10.2012 20:59, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 20:00:08 Bogdan Cristea wrote:

- use several page animations
- implement an options page to allow, among other things, the selection of
the page animation


why?

(when i ask "why?" i mean: what is the user benefit)


I'm asking myself what the benefit of that would be as well. Sure some users 
prefer one animation slightly over the other, but I don't see that as 
idiosyncratic enough to warrant a config option, to be honest. Going with an 
animation that most users like and nobody absolutely hates should be enough here.



Not sure how well works the app store, hopefully I will put there soon my
own version of the e-book reader


I don't think developing two different readers in parallel is the most efficient 
use of our manpower. Personally I'd prefer if everyone interested in ebook/PDF 
reader development in PA joined forces to create the best possible reader.


One upside of offering two readers, however, is to test if file association 
works smoothly with Add Ons, i.e. if a user installs the alternative reader, 
PDFs and ebooks should always be opened in that one and if she uninstalls it 
again, everything should be opened with the default reader again.

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