RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Michael B. Smith



No FRS problems. I say that from event logs and the output 
from replmon...


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 3:30 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


Disclaimer: I know very 
little about Exchange.

The first thing that 
comes to mind: do you have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for 
saying that?
I ask because if you 
dcpromo a new box in, and it doesnt get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by 
the Exchange domain prep wont replicate to that dc and exchange wont start 
properly.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Saturday, April 03, 
2004 1:54 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Thanks for your 
comments/questions. I had given up hope. J

Nothing else changed. 
This is my production hosted Unity domain. Im the enterprise admin; no one else 
has that password.

Yes, the DC2 machine 
account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the 
service suddenly couldnt log in anymore, the service began logging 
errors:

An attempt to access the 
Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
the following error: You do not have permission to log 
on.

There are no failures 
in the security log.

I didnt take a network 
trace. L As soon as I 
restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
telephone service wasnt answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
that by throwing permissions at it.

Since I wrote the 
original email, Ive poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 
days later until it couldnt access the mailbox and began generating 
errors.

Moving the FSMO roles 
definitely had some security impact; one Ive never heard of before; and it 
worries me.





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Interesting.

I can't think of 
anything that a FSMO role move would have changed that would have caused that 
behavior. However, my love of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in 
my opinion, unfounded. There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite 
logical. :o)

So anyway, did anything 
ELSE change and are you sure and how do you know?

I would assume that you 
set up the mailbox so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If not, 
how was it accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do you see 
in a network trace?

 
joe



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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Friday, April 02, 
2004 7:07 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect 
Permissions?

Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat 
(single) domain, single site.



DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 
servers w/sp3 plus all current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 
holds all FSMO roles. Both DC1 and DC2 are 
GCs.



DC2 runs a service, under 
localsystem, that logs into an Exchange mailbox, which is explicitly set to 
allow "Domain Admins" to have "Full Mailbox 
Access".



Everythingworks 
fine.



TwoWednesdays ago (3/24), a 
Windows 2003 DC (DC3) was introduced into the mix. It was allowed to be there 
for five days to ensure no problems happened.



Last Sunday (3/28), all FSMO roles 
were moved to DC3.



This Wednesday (3/31) the service 
running on DC2 suddenly reports that it can't log into the Exchange mailbox 
anymore. After a restart it reports the same thing. After a reboot it reports 
the same thing.



It took changing the service account 
to a domain admin account for the service to start operating 
again.



Two 
questions:



1) Just WTF? 
:-)



2) Should I have expected that 
transferring FSMO roles would affect how permissions of localsystem on a DC were 
applied?



3) Why the 3 day 
delay?



(yeah yeah, I know that was three, 
not two, but the first one was really 
specious.)



Thanks,

Michael




RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Michael B. Smith



I could rebuild it in a lab, it would be 
painful.

My real question is: should anything at all have happened 
when I moved FSMO roles from a W2K server to a W2K3 
server?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 5:44 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Any chance you have a lab for this that you can mock up and 
try to duplicate? Obviously you can't back the DC into the old config unless you 
have maintenance windows you can play in. 

What kind of log files did it say it couldn't 
access?

What FSMO roles was DC2 holding before the 
switch?

Is Exchange running on the DCs or as a 
member?

Can you install this service on say DC1 with another 
mailbox in the old way to see if you can duplicate the problem there (Assuming 
no lab)? 

At this point, I would probably

1. Check to make sure that the mailbox still has the access 
of dc2 with full mailbox access.
2. Check the policy(fully - all settings - 
secpol.msc) on the new DC as Eric is suggesting. It shouldn't prevent accessing 
of the mailbox but is still good to doublecheck in case there is a delta between 
that DC and the others. Very carefully checking replication of FRS/AD. 

3. Check what DC that the Exchange server is using for the 
various pieces (GC, DC, Config). 
4. If you can get a chance to switch it back to local 
system, get a network trace of the failure which may give some sort of 
clue.

Sorry for vagueness, you are doing something way outside 
what we do and just trying to guess what I would try to do to troubleshoot that. 
Having a lab even if in VM would be a great plus. 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 2:54 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


Thanks for your 
comments/questions. I had given up hope. J

Nothing else changed. 
This is my production hosted Unity domain. Im the enterprise admin; no one else 
has that password.

Yes, the DC2 machine 
account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the 
service suddenly couldnt log in anymore, the service began logging 
errors:

An attempt to access the 
Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
the following error: You do not have permission to log 
on.

There are no failures 
in the security log.

I didnt take a network 
trace. L As soon as I 
restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
telephone service wasnt answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
that by throwing permissions at it.

Since I wrote the 
original email, Ive poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 
days later until it couldnt access the mailbox and began generating 
errors.

Moving the FSMO roles 
definitely had some security impact; one Ive never heard of before; and it 
worries me.





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 
PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Interesting.

I can't think of 
anything that a FSMO role move would have changed that would have caused that 
behavior. However, my love of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in 
my opinion, unfounded. There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite 
logical. :o)

So anyway, did anything 
ELSE change and are you sure and how do you know?

I would assume that you 
set up the mailbox so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If not, 
how was it accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do you see 
in a network trace?

 
joe



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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Friday, April 02, 
2004 7:07 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect 
Permissions?

Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat 
(single) domain, single site.



DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 
servers w/sp3 plus all current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 
holds all FSMO roles. Both DC1 and DC2 are 
GCs.



DC2 runs a service, under 
localsystem, that logs into an Exchange mailbox, which is explicitly set to 
allow "Domain Admins" to have "Full Mailbox 
Access".



Everythingworks 
fine.



TwoWednesdays ago (3/24), a 
Windows 2003 DC (DC3) was introduced into the mix. It was allowed to be there 
for five days to ensure no problems happened.



Last Sunday (3/28), all FSMO roles 
were moved to DC3.



This Wednesday (3/31) the 

RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Eric Fleischman








Replmon doesnt monitor FRS.
Ultrasound would need to be used for that.

Event logs, Ultra sound and just anecdotal
observations would need to be used for that.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:34
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





No FRS problems. I say that from event
logs and the output from replmon...









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004
3:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?

Disclaimer: I know very little about
Exchange.



The first thing that comes to mind: do you
have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for saying that?

I ask because if you dcpromo a new box in,
and it doesnt get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by the Exchange
domain prep wont replicate to that dc and exchange wont start
properly.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004
1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





Thanks for your comments/questions. I had
given up hope. J



Nothing else changed. This is my
production hosted Unity domain. Im the enterprise admin; no one else has
that password.



Yes, the DC2 machine account had full
mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the service suddenly
couldnt log in anymore, the service began logging errors:



An attempt to access the Exchange Private
Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned the following
error: You do not have permission to log on.



There are no failures in the security log.



I didnt take a network trace.
L As soon as I restarted the service, a couple of dozen small
companies suddenly found their telephone service wasnt answering calls
and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did that by throwing permissions at it.



Since I wrote the original email,
Ive poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the FSMO roles
were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started generating warnings
about not being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 days later until it
couldnt access the mailbox and began generating errors.



Moving the FSMO roles definitely had some
security impact; one Ive never heard of before; and it worries me.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004
12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





Interesting.



I can't think of anything that a FSMO role
move would have changed that would have caused that behavior. However, my love
of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in my opinion, unfounded.
There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite logical. :o)



So anyway, did anything ELSE change and
are you sure and how do you know?



I would assume that you set up the mailbox
so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If not, how was it
accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do you see in a
network trace?



 joe









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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:07
AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?



Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat (single) domain, single site.











DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 servers w/sp3 plus all
current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 holds all FSMO roles. Both
DC1 and DC2 are GCs.











DC2 runs a service, under localsystem, that logs into an
Exchange mailbox, which is explicitly set to allow Domain Admins to
have Full Mailbox Access.











Everythingworks fine.











TwoWednesdays ago (3/24), a Windows 2003 DC (DC3) was
introduced into the mix. It was allowed to be there for five days to ensure no
problems happened.











Last Sunday (3/28), all FSMO roles were moved to DC3.











This Wednesday (3/31) the service running on DC2 suddenly
reports that it can't log into the Exchange mailbox anymore. After a restart it
reports the same thing. After a reboot it reports the same thing.











It took changing the service account to a domain admin account
for the service to start operating again.











Two questions:











1) Just WTF? :-)











2) Should I have expected that transferring FSMO roles would
affect how permissions of localsystem on a DC were applied?











3) Why the 3 day delay?











(yeah yeah, I know that was three, not two, but the first
one was really specious.)











Thanks,





Michael
















RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Michael B. Smith



Go ahead and slap me if I'm being 
stupid...

FRS is responsible for replication yes? If replmon says 
that replication is successful, wouldn't that indicate FRS is 
ok?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:55 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


Replmon doesnt monitor 
FRS. Ultrasound would need to be used for that.
Event logs, Ultra sound 
and just anecdotal observations would need to be used for 
that.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Monday, April 05, 
2004 7:34 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

No FRS problems. I say 
that from event logs and the output from replmon...




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Saturday, 
April 03, 2004 3:30 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?
Disclaimer: I know very 
little about Exchange.

The first thing that 
comes to mind: do you have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for 
saying that?
I ask because if you 
dcpromo a new box in, and it doesnt get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by 
the Exchange domain prep wont replicate to that dc and exchange wont start 
properly.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Saturday, April 03, 
2004 1:54 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Thanks for your 
comments/questions. I had given up hope. J

Nothing else changed. 
This is my production hosted Unity domain. Im the enterprise admin; no one else 
has that password.

Yes, the DC2 machine 
account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the 
service suddenly couldnt log in anymore, the service began logging 
errors:

An attempt to access the 
Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
the following error: You do not have permission to log 
on.

There are no failures 
in the security log.

I didnt take a network 
trace. L As soon as I 
restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
telephone service wasnt answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
that by throwing permissions at it.

Since I wrote the 
original email, Ive poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 
days later until it couldnt access the mailbox and began generating 
errors.

Moving the FSMO roles 
definitely had some security impact; one Ive never heard of before; and it 
worries me.





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Interesting.

I can't think of 
anything that a FSMO role move would have changed that would have caused that 
behavior. However, my love of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in 
my opinion, unfounded. There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite 
logical. :o)

So anyway, did anything 
ELSE change and are you sure and how do you know?

I would assume that you 
set up the mailbox so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If not, 
how was it accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do you see 
in a network trace?

 
joe



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From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Friday, April 02, 
2004 7:07 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect 
Permissions?

Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat 
(single) domain, single site.



DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 
servers w/sp3 plus all current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 
holds all FSMO roles. Both DC1 and DC2 are 
GCs.



DC2 runs a service, under 
localsystem, that logs into an Exchange mailbox, which is explicitly set to 
allow "Domain Admins" to have "Full Mailbox 
Access".



Everythingworks 
fine.



TwoWednesdays ago (3/24), a 
Windows 2003 DC (DC3) was introduced into the mix. It was allowed to be there 
for five days to ensure no problems happened.



Last Sunday (3/28), all FSMO roles 
were moved to DC3.



This Wednesday (3/31) the service 
running on DC2 suddenly reports that it can't log into the Exchange mailbox 
anymore. After a restart it reports the same thing. After a reboot it reports 
the same thing.



It took changing the service account 
to a domain admin account for the service to start operating 
again.



Two 
questions:



1) Just WTF? 
:-)



2) Should I have expected that 
transferring FSMO roles would 

RE: [ActiveDir] Global Catalogs and the Infrastructure Master

2004-04-05 Thread Cody Fleming
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
 
Cody
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Global Catalogs and the Infrastructure Master


Ok it sounds like you left a DC in each domain as a non-GC simply to hold
the infrastructure master roles. If that is the case, yes, promote all DCs
to GCs. 
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cody Fleming
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] Global Catalogs and the Infrastructure Master


Hello,
 
I have multiple AD domains and I currently have all DC's in my domains
configured as Global Catalogs except for 1 in Each domain and it holds the
Infrastructure Master role.  I am considering making these servers a GC as
well.  Can anyone give me some feedback on if this would be good/bad or
issues that may be caused by doing this?  Anyone have experience running
with All GC's?
 
The reason I'm considering this is that the site where this DC lives
currently has multiple DC's but the one configured as the GC is being
removed from this site leaving no GC coverage.
 
I'm not concerned with bandwidth or additional replication traffic needed
for the GC.
 
I have read this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/server/help/default.asp?url=/windows
2000/en/server/help/sag_ADgcInfFSMO.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/server/help/default.asp?url=/window
s2000/en/server/help/sag_ADgcInfFSMO.htm 
 
Thank you,
 
Cody
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RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread jack . eales
Title: Message



No 
slap coming from here... :-)

As far 
as I understand it - REPLMON looks at AD replication.. that's not the same 
as replication of the contents of sysvol but I might be heading for a 
slap!!

Jack

  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. SmithSent: 05 April 2004 
  14:00To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?
  Go ahead and slap me if I'm being 
  stupid...
  
  FRS is responsible for replication yes? If replmon says 
  that replication is successful, wouldn't that indicate FRS is 
  ok?
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
  FleischmanSent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:55 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO 
  Roles Affect Permissions?
  
  
  Replmon doesn't 
  monitor FRS. Ultrasound would need to be used for 
  that.
  Event logs, Ultra 
  sound and just anecdotal observations would need to be used for 
  that.
  
  ~Eric
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: Monday, April 05, 
  2004 7:34 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  No FRS problems. I 
  say that from event logs and the output from 
  replmon...
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Eric 
  FleischmanSent: Saturday, 
  April 03, 2004 3:30 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  Disclaimer: I know 
  very little about Exchange.
  
  The first thing that 
  comes to mind: do you have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric 
  for saying that?
  I ask because if you 
  dcpromo a new box in, and it doesn't get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by 
  the Exchange domain prep won't replicate to that dc and exchange won't start 
  properly.
  
  ~Eric
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: Saturday, April 
  03, 2004 1:54 PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  Thanks for your 
  comments/questions. I had given up hope. J
  
  Nothing else changed. 
  This is my production hosted Unity domain. I'm the enterprise admin; no one 
  else has that password.
  
  Yes, the DC2 machine 
  account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when 
  the service suddenly couldn't log in anymore, the service began logging 
  errors:
  
  An attempt to access the 
  Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
  the following error: You do not have permission to log 
  on.
  
  There are no failures 
  in the security log.
  
  I didn't take a 
  network trace. L As soon as I 
  restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
  telephone service wasn't answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
  that by throwing permissions at it.
  
  Since I wrote the 
  original email, I've poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
  FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
  generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 
  2.5 days later until it couldn't access the mailbox and began generating 
  errors.
  
  Moving the FSMO roles 
  definitely had some security impact; one I've never heard of before; and it 
  worries me.
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  Interesting.
  
  I can't think of 
  anything that a FSMO role move would have changed that would have caused that 
  behavior. However, my love of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, 
  in my opinion, unfounded. There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite 
  logical. :o)
  
  So anyway, did 
  anything ELSE change and are you sure and how do you 
  know?
  
  I would assume that 
  you set up the mailbox so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If 
  not, how was it accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do 
  you see in a network trace?
  
   
  joe
  
  
  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: Friday, April 02, 
  2004 7:07 AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat 
  (single) domain, single site.
  
  
  
  DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 
  servers w/sp3 plus all current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 
  holds all FSMO roles. Both DC1 and DC2 are 
  GCs.
  
  
  

RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Ulf B. Simon-Weidner



Hello Michael,

this is a different kind of replication. Replmon monitors 
the replication of Active Directory Informations, such as configuration, the 
global Schema and the Domain Informations like your OU-Structure, Users, Groups 
and Computers (to name the most common examples).

FRS is the File Replication Service, it depends on AD since 
it's infrastructure informations are configured there as well, however the file 
replication infrastructure is independend from the AD replication 
infrastructure, a different technology and therefor different tools to 
monitor.


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Montag, 5. April 2004 06:00To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Go ahead and slap me if I'm being 
stupid...

FRS is responsible for replication yes? If replmon says 
that replication is successful, wouldn't that indicate FRS is 
ok?


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:55 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


Replmon doesnt monitor 
FRS. Ultrasound would need to be used for that.
Event logs, Ultra sound 
and just anecdotal observations would need to be used for 
that.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Monday, April 05, 
2004 7:34 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

No FRS problems. I say 
that from event logs and the output from replmon...




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Saturday, 
April 03, 2004 3:30 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?
Disclaimer: I know very 
little about Exchange.

The first thing that 
comes to mind: do you have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for 
saying that?
I ask because if you 
dcpromo a new box in, and it doesnt get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by 
the Exchange domain prep wont replicate to that dc and exchange wont start 
properly.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Saturday, April 03, 
2004 1:54 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Thanks for your 
comments/questions. I had given up hope. J

Nothing else changed. 
This is my production hosted Unity domain. Im the enterprise admin; no one else 
has that password.

Yes, the DC2 machine 
account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the 
service suddenly couldnt log in anymore, the service began logging 
errors:

An attempt to access the 
Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
the following error: You do not have permission to log 
on.

There are no failures 
in the security log.

I didnt take a network 
trace. L As soon as I 
restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
telephone service wasnt answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
that by throwing permissions at it.

Since I wrote the 
original email, Ive poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 
days later until it couldnt access the mailbox and began generating 
errors.

Moving the FSMO roles 
definitely had some security impact; one Ive never heard of before; and it 
worries me.





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of joeSent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?

Interesting.

I can't think of 
anything that a FSMO role move would have changed that would have caused that 
behavior. However, my love of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in 
my opinion, unfounded. There are many things in Exchange that aren't quite 
logical. :o)

So anyway, did anything 
ELSE change and are you sure and how do you know?

I would assume that you 
set up the mailbox so that DC2 machine account had full mailbox access? If not, 
how was it accessing the mailbox? Any errors in the event log? What do you see 
in a network trace?

 
joe



-
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joeware)
http://www.cafeshops.com/joewarenet (wear 
joeware)








From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Michael B. 
SmithSent: Friday, April 02, 
2004 7:07 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect 
Permissions?

Windows 2000 Native Mode, flat 
(single) domain, single site.



DC1 and DC2 are both Windows 2000 
servers w/sp3 plus all current hotfixes. Until last Sunday (3/28),DC1 
holds all FSMO roles. Both DC1 and DC2 are 
GCs.



DC2 runs a service, under 
localsystem, that logs 

RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Eric Fleischman
Title: Message








Right, so combining threads a bit (I see Ulf
replied as well).

NTFRS and AD replication are different
animals. Different engines, different code, different design goals.

NTFRS replicates files on a disk. AD
replication replicates objects in a directory.



Heres where it gets confusing for
most people:

0) When were
talking about SYSVOL (which is an FRS replica set, aka the domain system
volume) the replication topology (IE who replicates with who from an FRS
perspective) mirrors the AD replication topology. So FRS respects the COs that AD creates for AD replication and uses that as
its topology as well.

1) You can have FRS
replication independent of that topologyaka an FRS replica set that is
powering DFS. So people say so you can do that without AD, right?
Well, no, you cant. We store certain critical objects about the FRS
replica set, even when used with DFS, in AD. As such, even though youre
using FRS that is not SYSVOL, you still need AD.



~Eric













From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?







No slap coming from here... :-)











As far as I understand it - REPLMON looks
at AD replication.. that's not the same as replication of the contents of
sysvol but I might be heading for a slap!!











Jack





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: 05 April 2004 14:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?

Go ahead and slap me if I'm being
stupid...



FRS is responsible for replication yes? If
replmon says that replication is successful, wouldn't that indicate FRS is ok?









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:55 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?

Replmon doesn't monitor FRS. Ultrasound
would need to be used for that.

Event logs, Ultra sound and just anecdotal
observations would need to be used for that.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





No FRS problems. I say that from event
logs and the output from replmon...









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Fleischman
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 3:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?

Disclaimer: I know very little about
Exchange.



The first thing that comes to mind: do you
have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for saying that?

I ask because if you dcpromo a new box in,
and it doesn't get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by the Exchange domain
prep won't replicate to that dc and exchange won't start properly.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





Thanks for your comments/questions. I had
given up hope. J



Nothing else changed. This is my
production hosted Unity domain. I'm the enterprise admin; no one else has that
password.



Yes, the DC2 machine account had full
mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the service suddenly
couldn't log in anymore, the service began logging errors:



An attempt to access the Exchange Private
Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned the following
error: You do not have permission to log on.



There are no failures in the security log.



I didn't take a network trace. L As soon as I
restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their
telephone service wasn't answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did
that by throwing permissions at it.



Since I wrote the original email, I've
poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the FSMO roles were moved
(within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started generating warnings about not
being to access certain log files. But it was 2.5 days later until it couldn't
access the mailbox and began generating errors.



Moving the FSMO roles definitely had some
security impact; one I've never heard of before; and it worries me.











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
Roles Affect Permissions?





Interesting.



I can't think of anything that a FSMO role
move would have changed that would have caused that behavior. However, my love
of exchange is not unknown on this list nor is it, in my opinion, unfounded.
There are many things in 

RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos event ID's 677

2004-04-05 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT)








http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7dfeb015-6043-47db-8238-dc7af89c93f1DisplayLang=en



Microsoft just published a Kerberos Troubleshooting White
Paper It is pretty good.



Todd











From: Eric Fleischman
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004
4:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos
event ID's 677





I just saw this post. Sorry, I would have
replied sooner if I had noticed it.



The good is that this is typically benign.
If anything, Id say we over-report this error. Typically this error is
thrown because the client asked the server to talk a language that it could
not. The client then said ok how about this and life is fine, but
in the meantime the server tossed an event and scared the administrator.
Its unfortunate that the error text isnt better.



So, you can ignore the event.



There is a QFE that should help suppress
them. If you call the 800 support # and ask them to send you Q824905 that
should suppress some of them. But again, this is benign, so I wouldnt
sweat it.



~Eric

















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004
10:12 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: [ActiveDir] Kerberos
event ID's 677







Has anyone else been seeing a plethora of service
ticket request failed event ID 677 logs in their Security logs on their
Windows 2000 SP4 DC's?? The failure code is 0xE and the
sources seem to beWindows 2003 member servers.











I have queried our MS support and they told me to try a hot
fix from KB 824905. Unfortunately, even through the hotfix is from
November 2003, the KB article is not available on TechNet or on MS premier
support web site. So in keeping with today's theme of missing
documentation from Microsoft... anybody have more information on this article,
hotfix, or this issue in general?? I would like to know what this hotfix
is actually suppose to do before actually applyingon my test bench DC's.











Thanks,





Stuart Fuller






















[ActiveDir] Joining computer to a domain... And Kpassword port 446.

2004-04-05 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT)
Title: Message








Greetings all...



I just had someone stop by my office asking what ports need to be open
to allow a machine to join a domain. It appears these security experts
feel that they need to limit the communication both inbound and
outbound. (Dont get me started on the outbound part)



They said that when they tried to join the computer to the domain that
it wouldnt work. But when the turn off the outbound rule set in
the high order range, Communication worked. I have several
papers on firewall configuration for AD. But I have not found a reference
that discusses what ports are necessary to all a machine to be joined
to a domain.



My assumption is that it would require all the base ports 88,
123, 54, 389, 445, but does it require any dynamic ports. I will probably
run a packet sniffer later this week to check this out myself, but if anyone
can quickly comment, it would be appreciated.



Also,



Reading the latest Microsoft Whitepaper on Kerberos Troubleshooting, I
noticed that they listed port 446, for password resets for Kerberos V5. According
to Microsoft Firewall White Papers for AD, this port is never mentioned. So
my question is, is it required for Microsoft Kerberos clients, or if you are
using a mixture of clients.



Thanks,



Todd 








RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos event ID's 677

2004-04-05 Thread Fuller, Stuart



ThanksTodd!! -that whitepaperis 
great.

Eric... Thanks for the information. I thought 
it may be one of those "check engine" light warnings with no real world 
meaning. However, I am reluctant to apply the hotfix without more detailed 
information on what the issue is and how the HF fixes it. It would be nice 
to get a copy of whatever documentation that goes with the HF.Generally it 
is okay to put black electrical tape over the check engine light so it goes 
out... but sometimes not... ;-)

-Stuart Fuller


From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CIT) 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:14 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] 
Kerberos event ID's 677


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7dfeb015-6043-47db-8238-dc7af89c93f1DisplayLang=en

Microsoft just published a Kerberos 
Troubleshooting White Paper... It is pretty 
good.

Todd






From: 
Eric Fleischman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 
4:22 PMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos 
event ID's 677


I just saw this post. 
Sorry, I would have replied sooner if I had noticed 
it.

The good is that this 
is typically benign. If anything, I'd say we over-report this error. Typically 
this error is thrown because the client asked the server to talk a language that 
it could not. The client then said "ok how about this" and life is fine, but in 
the meantime the server tossed an event and scared the administrator. It's 
unfortunate that the error text isn't 
better.

So, you can ignore the 
event.

There is a QFE that 
should help suppress them. If you call the 800 support # and ask them to send 
you Q824905 that should suppress some of them. But again, this is benign, so I 
wouldn't sweat it.

~Eric









From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
Fuller, StuartSent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 
10:12 AMTo: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [ActiveDir] Kerberos 
event ID's 677



Has anyone else been seeing a 
plethora of "service ticket request failed" event ID 677 logs in their Security 
logs on their Windows 2000 SP4 DC's?? The failure code is "0xE" and the 
sources seem to beWindows 2003 member 
servers.





I have queried our MS support and 
they told me to try a hot fix from KB 824905. Unfortunately, even through 
the hotfix is from November 2003, the KB article is not available on TechNet or 
on MS premier support web site. So in keeping with today's theme of 
missing documentation from Microsoft... anybody have more information on this 
article, hotfix, or this issue in general?? I would like to know what this 
hotfix is actually suppose to do before actually applyingon my test bench 
DC's.





Thanks,


Stuart 
Fuller










RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos event ID's 677

2004-04-05 Thread Eric Fleischman








Theres nothing really to speak of
here. The QFE suppresses these errors. In your original note you had mentioned anybody
have more information on this article, hotfix, or this issue in general.
Thats what I think I gave you. I dont have a KB, it simply doesnt
exist at this point. J



Dont have any more than that Im
afraid. You could try opening a support incident to see if our front line
support teams have data to share, I dont know whats in their
arsenal.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:50 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos
event ID's 677





ThanksTodd!! -that
whitepaperis great.



Eric... Thanks for the
information. I thought it may be one of those check engine
light warnings with no real world meaning. However, I am reluctant to
apply the hotfix without more detailed information on what the issue is and how
the HF fixes it. It would be nice to get a copy of whatever documentation
that goes with the HF.Generally it is okay to put black electrical tape
over the check engine light so it goes out... but sometimes not... ;-)



-Stuart Fuller









From: Myrick,
Todd (NIH/CIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos
event ID's 677

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=7dfeb015-6043-47db-8238-dc7af89c93f1DisplayLang=en

Microsoft
just published a Kerberos Troubleshooting White Paper... It is pretty
good.

Todd






From: Eric Fleischman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Kerberos event ID's 677 I just saw this post. Sorry, I would have replied sooner if I had noticed it. The good is that this is typically benign. If anything, I'd say we over-report this error. Typically this error is thrown because the client asked the server to talk a language that it could not. The client then said ok how about this and life is fine, but in the meantime the server tossed an event and scared the administrator. It's unfortunate that the error text isn't better. So, you can ignore the event. There is a QFE that should help suppress them. If you call the 800 support # and ask them to send you Q824905 that should suppress some of them. But again, this is benign, so I wouldn't sweat it. ~Eric
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fuller, Stuart Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:12 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [ActiveDir] Kerberos event ID's 677 Has anyone else been seeing a plethora of service ticket request failed event ID 677 logs in their Security logs on their Windows 2000 SP4 DC's?? The failure code is 0xE and the sources seem to beWindows 2003 member servers. I have queried our MS support and they told me to try a hot fix from KB 824905. Unfortunately, even through the hotfix is from November 2003, the KB article is not available on TechNet or on MS premier support web site. So in keeping with today's theme of missing documentation from Microsoft... anybody have more information on this article, hotfix, or this issue in general?? I would like to know what this hotfix is actually suppose to do before actually applyingon my test bench DC's. Thanks, Stuart Fuller

RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Michael B. Smith
Title: Message



Well, learn something new every day.

I'll install Ultrasound -- however, my FRS event logs are 
clean. So I expect everything FRS-wise is OK.

Thanks,
Michael


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric 
FleischmanSent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


Right, so combining threads a bit (I see 
Ulf replied as well).
NTFRS and AD replication are different 
animals. Different engines, different code, different design 
goals.
NTFRS replicates files on a disk. AD 
replication replicates objects in a directory.

Heres where it gets confusing for most 
people:
0) 
When were talking about SYSVOL (which is 
an FRS replica set, aka the domain system volume) the replication topology (IE 
who replicates with who from an FRS perspective) mirrors the AD replication 
topology. So FRS respects the COs that AD 
creates for AD replication and uses that as its topology as 
well.
1) 
You can have FRS replication independent of 
that topologyaka an FRS replica set that is powering DFS. So people say so 
you can do that without AD, right? Well, no, you cant. We store certain 
critical objects about the FRS replica set, even when used with DFS, in AD. As 
such, even though youre using FRS that is not SYSVOL, you still need 
AD.

~Eric






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, April 05, 
2004 8:14 
AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
Affect Permissions?


No slap coming from 
here... :-)



As far as I understand 
it - REPLMON looks at AD replication.. that's not the same as replication of 
the contents of sysvol but I might be heading for a 
slap!!



Jack

  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: 05 April 2004 
  14:00To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  Go ahead and slap me 
  if I'm being stupid...
  
  FRS is responsible 
  for replication yes? If replmon says that replication is successful, wouldn't 
  that indicate FRS is ok?
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Eric 
  FleischmanSent: Monday, 
  April 05, 
  2004 7:55 
  AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  Replmon doesn't 
  monitor FRS. Ultrasound would need to be used for 
  that.
  Event logs, Ultra 
  sound and just anecdotal observations would need to be used for 
  that.
  
  ~Eric
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: Monday, April 05, 
  2004 7:34 
  AMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  No FRS problems. I 
  say that from event logs and the output from 
  replmon...
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Eric 
  FleischmanSent: Saturday, 
  April 03, 
  2004 3:30 
  PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  Disclaimer: I know 
  very little about Exchange.
  
  The first thing that 
  comes to mind: do you have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric 
  for saying that?
  I ask because if you 
  dcpromo a new box in, and it doesn't get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by 
  the Exchange domain prep won't replicate to that dc and exchange won't start 
  properly.
  
  ~Eric
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Michael B. 
  SmithSent: Saturday, 
  April 03, 
  2004 1:54 
  PMTo: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles 
  Affect Permissions?
  
  Thanks for your 
  comments/questions. I had given up hope. J
  
  Nothing else changed. 
  This is my production hosted Unity domain. I'm the enterprise admin; no one 
  else has that password.
  
  Yes, the DC2 machine 
  account had full mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when 
  the service suddenly couldn't log in anymore, the service began logging 
  errors:
  
  An attempt to access the 
  Exchange Private Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned 
  the following error: You do not have permission to log 
  on.
  
  There are no failures 
  in the security log.
  
  I didn't take a 
  network trace. L As soon as I 
  restarted the service, a couple of dozen small companies suddenly found their 
  telephone service wasn't answering calls and I had to resolve it, ASAP. I did 
  that by throwing permissions at it.
  
  Since I wrote the 
  original email, I've poured hours into investigation of this. As soon as the 
  FSMO roles were moved (within 15 minutes), the mailbox service started 
  generating warnings about not being to access certain log files. But it was 
  2.5 days later until it couldn't access the mailbox 

[ActiveDir] AD Consultants

2004-04-05 Thread Celone, Mike



Before I start just 
to let you know I checked with Tony before sending this to the list. Does 
anyone know anyone companies in the North Eastern US area that does AD 
consulting and design? My CIO would like to bring in a consulting company 
to help us out with a global AD design for our company. If anyone has any 
suggestions or needs more infomation please email OFF the list. Any and 
all help is appreciated. 

Mike


RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO Roles Affect Permissions?

2004-04-05 Thread Eric Fleischman
Title: Message








Agreed. The logs go red real fast when
things turn south. ;) You can run gpotool (support tool? I forget) to check if
policies are consistent across DCs as well. Its a quick way to just
snapshot SYSVOL and see if DCs are (fairly, keeping replication latency in
mind) in sync.



That said, not clear to me why you had
failure when FSMO role was moved. I would agree with Joeyoud need to
either schedule a service outage where we can collect the appropriate data
during that time period or try and repro in the lab. Whichever you think is
best is fine by me.



~Eric













From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Move FSMO
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Well, learn something new every day.



I'll install Ultrasound -- however, my FRS
event logs are clean. So I expect everything FRS-wise is OK.



Thanks,

Michael









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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:56 AM
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Right, so combining threads a bit (I see
Ulf replied as well).

NTFRS and AD replication are different
animals. Different engines, different code, different design goals.

NTFRS replicates files on a disk. AD
replication replicates objects in a directory.



Heres where it gets confusing for
most people:

0)
When
were talking about SYSVOL (which is an FRS replica set, aka the
domain system volume) the replication topology (IE who replicates
with who from an FRS perspective) mirrors the AD replication topology. So FRS
respects the COs that AD creates for AD
replication and uses that as its topology as well.

1)
You
can have FRS replication independent of that topologyaka an FRS replica set
that is powering DFS. So people say so you can do that without AD,
right? Well, no, you cant. We store certain critical objects
about the FRS replica set, even when used with DFS, in AD. As such, even though
youre using FRS that is not SYSVOL, you still need AD.



~Eric













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No slap coming from here... :-)











As far as I understand it - REPLMON looks
at AD replication.. that's not the same as replication of the contents of
sysvol but I might be heading for a slap!!











Jack





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Go ahead and slap me if I'm being
stupid...



FRS is responsible for replication yes? If
replmon says that replication is successful, wouldn't that indicate FRS is ok?









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Replmon doesn't monitor FRS. Ultrasound
would need to be used for that.

Event logs, Ultra sound and just anecdotal
observations would need to be used for that.



~Eric













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No FRS problems. I say that from event
logs and the output from replmon...









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Disclaimer: I know very little about Exchange.



The first thing that comes to mind: do you
have FRS problems? If you say no, what is your metric for saying that?

I ask because if you dcpromo a new box in,
and it doesn't get SYSVOL properly, the rights added by the Exchange domain
prep won't replicate to that dc and exchange won't start properly.



~Eric













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Thanks for your comments/questions. I had
given up hope. J



Nothing else changed. This is my
production hosted Unity domain. I'm the enterprise admin; no one else has that
password.



Yes, the DC2 machine account had full
mailbox access. The only errors in the event log were when the service suddenly
couldn't log in anymore, the service began logging errors:



An attempt to access the Exchange Private
Store has failed: 8004011d. The MAPI subsystem returned the following
error: You do not have permission to log on.



There 

[ActiveDir] Photos in Active Directory

2004-04-05 Thread mikeb
Hi all,

We're in the middle of desiging our Active Directory (Server 2003) and our security 
group just came up with the idea that it would be great to include a photo of the user 
in each user object.  I know this CAN be done but I'm looking for information that 
would tell me whether it SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be done.  Any references anyone can 
think of or, better yet, personal experience with this?


Thanks,
Mike
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