RE: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 2003 SP1 bloat

2005-08-14 Thread Tony Murray
In addition to the great advice from Hunter, you might want to check your
virus definitions are up to date and that your Exchange-aware AV software is
working properly. 

Exchange 2003 loop detection is pretty good in most cases, but it won't pick
up everything.  For example, badly configured Inbox rules can cause
problems: my rule forwards emails to your mailbox and your rule forwards
mail back to my mailbox.

As Hunter suggests, a good way to counter problems like this is to configure
mailbox limits for all mailboxes.  

Also configure your monitoring software to detect rapid store and
transaction log growth.  With any luck you can catch the problem while it's
in progress, which will make troubleshooting easier.

Tony

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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:Exchange 2003 SP1 bloat

To reduce the size of the store you'll need to do an offline defrag.

Did you have mailbox limits configured?

As for finding the cause, in ESM go down to one of the bloated stores and
sort the list of mailboxes based on size. Pick a couple of the largest ones
and go into the Message Tracking Center, then look for messages delivered to
those mailboxes during the time that the stores grew. This will give you a
place to start looking, and message loops are a likely candidate. If none of
the mailboxes show up as being excessively large, you'll need to start
poking around the message tracking logs directly.

You could also set up LogParser to analyze the message tracking logs.

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But that would only affect the transaction logs, right? Not the Exchange
databases?

An offline defrag is needed to reduce the size of the store?




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If it is just one mailbox store, you can bet it is a specific user that is
causing the problem (not that it is the users' fault or intention).
Some
message for that person being wedged, or something ...

Any Mac user's with Entourage?  There was an issue there once upon a time.
http://blogs.msdn.com/jeremyk/archive/2004/11/11/255705.aspx
http://www.e2ksecurity.com/archives/001308.html
Ah, here's teh official one, I think:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=889525

Cheers,
-BrettSh

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Douglas M. Long wrote:

 I hate to throw another exchange question to this list, but this list
is
 the only one that I seem to get good answers from.
 
 Does anyone know of a way to tell what is causing bloat in a storage 
 group?
 
 Over the weekend we had some problems with transaction logs filling up

 rapidly, which was remedied by a reboot. I suspect it was corrupt 
 messages in the queues since there were messages with blank senders
that
 I could not delete, and also suspect that is what is causing the
bloat. 
 
 Bloat = 88GB storage group increase in two days, with one particular 
 mailbox store growing to 92GB (only 373 users with mailbox limit of 
 100MB in the mailbox store)
 
 Is an offline defrag the only solution to this?
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Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread Mylo

Dean,

You mention the VM sandpit and that lit a bulb... was doing testing with 
Forest trusts some days ago and had to do an outgoing trust between 2k3 
and 2k3 forest using stub zones ... no NetBIOS in site... nowhere.. 
none..none..none It's amazing how ingrained these misconceptions 
become. I'll have harsh words with my memory retention department :-)


Thanks for the info.
Mylo

Dean Wells wrote:


My apologies if I appeared to be yelling earlier, that wasn't my intention
... I guess some frustrations came out in my text, sorry about that :o(

The GINA's domain list (by default) contains short or flat names (the term
NetBIOS name currently describes the same thing but will eventually be
replaced by either of those two ... I at least live in hope).  The list is
populated by the NETLOGON service (if memory serves) and is not dependent
upon NetBIOS in anyway ... it merely shows the same short name.  This too
can be changed using the following registry entries -

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
DCacheShowDomainTags=dword:0001
DCacheShowDnsNames=dword:0001

NetBIOS itself is a session layer+ protocol, i.e. it requires an underlying
transport such as TCP/IP, IPX or NetBEUI.  It provides a means of
advertising presence, service and session management ... it also offers a
transport-independent programmatic interface that permitted developers to
write network-capable software without concerning themselves about the
specifics of the underlying transport mechanism(s).

If I may, I would wholeheartedly recommend getting yourself a series of
shrink-wrapped VMs/VPCs such that you're able to prove-out these scenarios
yourself, it's a facility I've grown to cherish and couldn't possibly work
without.

Hope the info. proves useful!

Dean

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

i heard somewhere that windows 2k uses netbios to generate the drop down
list of trusted domains when you logon.

now don't yell at me, Dean, but is this true? how does it generate that list
when you join a domain?
there is just a lot of disinformation about netbios(is it a protocol?
an API? A network driver?) and its role in windows today.

from what you're saying, as long as each dns server has secondary zones of
their respective domains or conditional forwarding, all should be good for a
trust just based on dns?

thanks

On 8/13/05, Dean Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

As I said, it is indeed a common misunderstanding ... the fact that 
there's a related article published only lends weight to that point.  
It takes very little effort to test and it continues to surprise me 
when I hear of articles such as the one you've referenced (not that I 
read it since I have more than enough accurate material to plough 
through ;o)


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Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

Dean,

Oh...I was under the impression that external trusts still used legacy 
name resolution.. Here's a common misunderstood article about it ;-) 
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/05/11/netbios.html


Cheers
Mylo

Dean Wells wrote:

   

I'm really not certain where this very common misunderstanding comes 
from, neither Windows 2000 nor Windows 2003 (nor Longhorn for that
matter) requires NetBIOS in order to establish a trust.  The locator 
mechanisms employed to establish the trust are dependant exclusively 
upon the ability to resolve the trust partner, a role which DNS is 
more
 


than able to fulfill.
   

This is true to say of external, cross-forest and realm trusts (as 
far as I can recollect however, NT does impose a NetBIOS dependency).


One of the most common reasons for trust creation failure is the 
scenario where each domain uses an isolated DNS name resolution 
hierarchy, enabling NetBIOS often appears to resolve this (no pun
intended) since broadcast, WINS or LMHOSTS mechanisms are triggered 
and are typically more tolerant in these instances.


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Tom,

Had to do this a few months back in a 3-way love triangle between 
NT4, 2K and 2K3 :-) ... even between 2k and 2k3 I don't believe that 
NetBIOS has been deprecated... so, yes you still need NetBIOS 
for the trust 

RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread Dean Wells
Inline ...

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From: Tom Kern
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

i guess my question is, how/where does the netlogon service get it from? DNS
srv records?

** A client could not ask DNS such a question without prior knowledge of its
domain suffix.

To me, netlogon just refers to a secure encrypted channel between 2 hosts.
To send a hashed password  or register dns records of a DC. Or create a
trust between a domain memeber and a dc or two domains.

** NETLOGON is many things; typically it is a share and a service.  The
service performs many functions (many of which you've mentioned), the
creation of authenticated, secure channels is one of them.  Try stopping it
and see what happens.

how does the netlogon service get a list of every domain in the forest when
you join a domain with a client?

** The client simply asks the DC representing the domain it is joining.

In NT and 2003. 
The source must be different depending on the OS-NT or 2000/2003.

** Windows NT and Active Directory are radically different technologies, the
source of that information is likely very different but since I don't
recollect the mechanisms used by Windows NT, I can't comment with any
certainty.

also, flat names or samAccount names when it comes to Domains, to me, always
has been a synonoum for Netbios.

** Correct, since NetBIOS is being phased out but the concept of a
short-name isn't, the newer name applies.

i understand that a single HOST name can be part of a bigger dns name space
and windows will try  and append the suffixes, but a windows domain name
with no suffix, can only be a netbios name to me.

** That's not correct, it would be a single labeled (not recommended )DNS
name whose NetBIOS name may or may not be the same.  The number of labels in
a name do not tell Windows whether it is a DNS name or a NetBIOS name, we
define that during the install.  Windows maintains fewer and fewer NetBIOS
dependencies through each successive version but the short/flat name is not
going away in the foreseeable future.

otherwise that would be like yahoo being the same as the Yahoo.com
domain.
 it would be useless.

** I don't understand your point.

Or it could just be me. i'm not the brightest bulb.
I came from Novell backround(please don't hold it against me)

** I don't, my background is deeply rooted in Novell.

 and i still can't get over it when i see in AD something like
cn=schema,cn=configuration,dc=domain,dc=root.
i always think, how can a leaf object be inside another leaf object and if
its not a leaf why would you use cn prefix and not ou.

** cn doesn't necessarily indicate a leaf object, it expresses common
name.  Novell's implementation was exactly that, their implementation,
Microsoft's is different.  The attribute prefix is controlled by the 'RDN
attribute identifier' and can be any property enforced upon an object
(standards dictate that it can even be multi-valued ... not supported here
BTW). I could (and have), for example, forced an OU to use CN instead ... my
point is, the attribute prefix is configurable and does not indicate whether
the object in question can or cannot contain anything, that is something
typically inferred by those coming from an NDS background.

maybe i'm thinking DNS domains when i should be thinking windows domains or
vice versa.
Or maybe a Domain has become so overused, i don't know what it is

** I couldn't agree more; the term domain is ambiguous without specific
context.

anymore- a windows area of management, a dns name space,a naming context to
be replicated,a MS form of Kerberos Realm?

I'm just confused.
Sorry Dean, ignore me. To be honest, I don't know enough about anything
network related to be arguing with you or the likes of anyone on this list.

** I wasn't aware we were arguing, I thought I was assisting with your
questions/misconceptions,

Heck, i'm an English Lit major. i haven't even taken Comp Sci so i guess i'm
just too dense to see the difference between netbios the protocol, netbios
the name,and flat names and dns names.

My apologies.
Please don't hold it against this dim bulb who is clearly out of his depth
here.


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Re: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread rkingsla
I suspect that it comes from all of the external trusts that people have 
established with existing NT4 environments and not changing their tactics 
because the LMHosts and NetBIOS things work with NT4.  First shot on Win2k to 
Win23 - fire up LMHosts and get it working.

Yes - DNS will work, but as I said in my post earlier this week, sometimes the 
familiar and simpler methods make sense when you 5 million other problesm that 
are quite large.

However, DNS or WINS (there, joe...  happy?  :) is the preferred method, 
without question as it provides a much more 'universal' mechanism for name 
resolution between the two entities once in place.

Rick

 
 From: Dean Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2005/08/13 Sat AM 11:32:26 EDT
 To: Send - AD mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question
 
 I'm really not certain where this very common misunderstanding comes from,
 neither Windows 2000 nor Windows 2003 (nor Longhorn for that matter)
 requires NetBIOS in order to establish a trust.  The locator mechanisms
 employed to establish the trust are dependant exclusively upon the ability
 to resolve the trust partner, a role which DNS is more than able to fulfill.
 This is true to say of external, cross-forest and realm trusts (as far as I
 can recollect however, NT does impose a NetBIOS dependency).  
 
 One of the most common reasons for trust creation failure is the scenario
 where each domain uses an isolated DNS name resolution hierarchy, enabling
 NetBIOS often appears to resolve this (no pun intended) since broadcast,
 WINS or LMHOSTS mechanisms are triggered and are typically more tolerant in
 these instances.
 
 --
 Dean Wells
 MSEtechnology
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mylo
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:46 AM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question
 
 Tom,
 
 Had to do this a few months back in a 3-way love triangle between NT4, 2K
 and 2K3 :-) ... even between 2k and 2k3 I don't believe that NetBIOS has
 been deprecated... so, yes you still need NetBIOS for the trust
 creation process try creating the trust with NetBIOS (e.g. 
 LMHOSTS with 1xB and 1xC entries) enabled and then disable it and validate
 the trust afterwards... It could be for the trust creation only that it
 needs to be turned on..
 Cheers
 Mylo
 
 Tom Kern wrote:
 
 I can't find a clear answer-
 when you form a trust between the root of a win2k3 forest and a child 
 domain of a win2k forest, is netbios used at all?
 is this trust all done through dns?
 
 this is NOT a forest trust but an external trust.
 
 we are about to migrate to a new forest. the old forest has netbios/tcp 
 turned off and so will the new forest.
 
 when an external trust is formed between a win2k3 and win2k domain, is 
 wins/netbios needed?
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread Eric Fleischman
Slight modification inline.

~Eric


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Wells
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

My apologies if I appeared to be yelling earlier, that wasn't my
intention
... I guess some frustrations came out in my text, sorry about that :o(

The GINA's domain list (by default) contains short or flat names (the
term
NetBIOS name currently describes the same thing but will eventually be
replaced by either of those two ... I at least live in hope).  The list
is
populated by the NETLOGON service (if memory serves) and is not
dependent
upon NetBIOS in anyway ... it merely shows the same short name.  This
too
can be changed using the following registry entries -

[EFleis] - The list in the GINA UI is actually populated by winlogon
itself strictly speaking. When one presses the SAS in session 0 (this
_only_ applies to session 0, no other session, as of win2k3 RTM anyway)
we populate this list. That said, it does boil down to a query of
netlogon of course (I don't recall if it asks the local netlogon who has
already obtained the info from the upstream DCs netlogon or directly
asks the DCs netlogon, it's been too long since I looked at this).
Disclaimer: I really don't know much about winlogon architecture. I once
had to debug this domain list population code and of course had to dip
my toe in there, so you just heard about a third of what I learned in
that debug. ;)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
DCacheShowDomainTags=dword:0001
DCacheShowDnsNames=dword:0001

NetBIOS itself is a session layer+ protocol, i.e. it requires an
underlying
transport such as TCP/IP, IPX or NetBEUI.  It provides a means of
advertising presence, service and session management ... it also offers
a
transport-independent programmatic interface that permitted developers
to
write network-capable software without concerning themselves about the
specifics of the underlying transport mechanism(s).

If I may, I would wholeheartedly recommend getting yourself a series of
shrink-wrapped VMs/VPCs such that you're able to prove-out these
scenarios
yourself, it's a facility I've grown to cherish and couldn't possibly
work
without.

Hope the info. proves useful!

Dean

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

i heard somewhere that windows 2k uses netbios to generate the drop down
list of trusted domains when you logon.

now don't yell at me, Dean, but is this true? how does it generate that
list
when you join a domain?
there is just a lot of disinformation about netbios(is it a protocol?
an API? A network driver?) and its role in windows today.

from what you're saying, as long as each dns server has secondary zones
of
their respective domains or conditional forwarding, all should be good
for a
trust just based on dns?

thanks

On 8/13/05, Dean Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I said, it is indeed a common misunderstanding ... the fact that 
 there's a related article published only lends weight to that point.  
 It takes very little effort to test and it continues to surprise me 
 when I hear of articles such as the one you've referenced (not that I 
 read it since I have more than enough accurate material to plough 
 through ;o)
 
 --
 Dean Wells
 MSEtechnology
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mylo
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:19 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Cc: Send - AD mailing list
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question
 
 Dean,
 
 Oh...I was under the impression that external trusts still used legacy

 name resolution.. Here's a common misunderstood article about it ;-) 
 http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/05/11/netbios.html
 
 Cheers
 Mylo
 
 Dean Wells wrote:
 
 I'm really not certain where this very common misunderstanding comes 
 from, neither Windows 2000 nor Windows 2003 (nor Longhorn for that
 matter) requires NetBIOS in order to establish a trust.  The locator 
 mechanisms employed to establish the trust are dependant exclusively 
 upon the ability to resolve the trust partner, a role which DNS is 
 more
 than able to fulfill.
 This is true to say of external, cross-forest and realm trusts (as 
 far as I can recollect however, NT does impose a NetBIOS dependency).
 
 One of the most common reasons for trust creation failure is the 
 scenario where each domain uses an isolated DNS name resolution 
 hierarchy, enabling NetBIOS often appears to resolve this (no pun
 intended) since broadcast, WINS or LMHOSTS mechanisms are triggered 
 and 

RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread Dean Wells
Hmmm, I understand the distinction you're making Eric but don't recollect it
being the case, I'll take a look at the source again and see if I can't
solidify this.  Thanks for the input.

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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

Slight modification inline.

~Eric


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Wells
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:34 PM
To: Send - AD mailing list
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

My apologies if I appeared to be yelling earlier, that wasn't my intention
... I guess some frustrations came out in my text, sorry about that :o(

The GINA's domain list (by default) contains short or flat names (the term
NetBIOS name currently describes the same thing but will eventually be
replaced by either of those two ... I at least live in hope).  The list is
populated by the NETLOGON service (if memory serves) and is not dependent
upon NetBIOS in anyway ... it merely shows the same short name.  This too
can be changed using the following registry entries -

[EFleis] - The list in the GINA UI is actually populated by winlogon itself
strictly speaking. When one presses the SAS in session 0 (this _only_
applies to session 0, no other session, as of win2k3 RTM anyway) we populate
this list. That said, it does boil down to a query of netlogon of course (I
don't recall if it asks the local netlogon who has already obtained the info
from the upstream DCs netlogon or directly asks the DCs netlogon, it's been
too long since I looked at this).
Disclaimer: I really don't know much about winlogon architecture. I once had
to debug this domain list population code and of course had to dip my toe in
there, so you just heard about a third of what I learned in that debug. ;)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
DCacheShowDomainTags=dword:0001
DCacheShowDnsNames=dword:0001

NetBIOS itself is a session layer+ protocol, i.e. it requires an underlying
transport such as TCP/IP, IPX or NetBEUI.  It provides a means of
advertising presence, service and session management ... it also offers a
transport-independent programmatic interface that permitted developers to
write network-capable software without concerning themselves about the
specifics of the underlying transport mechanism(s).

If I may, I would wholeheartedly recommend getting yourself a series of
shrink-wrapped VMs/VPCs such that you're able to prove-out these scenarios
yourself, it's a facility I've grown to cherish and couldn't possibly work
without.

Hope the info. proves useful!

Dean

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

i heard somewhere that windows 2k uses netbios to generate the drop down
list of trusted domains when you logon.

now don't yell at me, Dean, but is this true? how does it generate that list
when you join a domain?
there is just a lot of disinformation about netbios(is it a protocol?
an API? A network driver?) and its role in windows today.

from what you're saying, as long as each dns server has secondary zones of
their respective domains or conditional forwarding, all should be good for a
trust just based on dns?

thanks

On 8/13/05, Dean Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I said, it is indeed a common misunderstanding ... the fact that 
 there's a related article published only lends weight to that point.
 It takes very little effort to test and it continues to surprise me 
 when I hear of articles such as the one you've referenced (not that I 
 read it since I have more than enough accurate material to plough 
 through ;o)
 
 --
 Dean Wells
 MSEtechnology
 * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://msetechnology.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mylo
 Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 12:19 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Cc: Send - AD mailing list
 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question
 
 Dean,
 
 Oh...I was under the impression that external trusts still used legacy

 name resolution.. Here's a common misunderstood article about it ;-) 
 http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/05/11/netbios.html
 
 Cheers
 Mylo
 
 Dean Wells wrote:
 
 I'm really not certain where this very common misunderstanding comes 
 from, neither Windows 2000 nor Windows 2003 (nor Longhorn for that
 matter) requires NetBIOS in order to establish a trust.  The locator 
 mechanisms employed to establish the trust are dependant exclusively 
 upon 

[ActiveDir]

2005-08-14 Thread Patrick Paul








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any
name, click name, edit, user config, windows
settings 
5.
folder
redirection, my docs 

Where do you go from here?

Thanks all 










RE: [ActiveDir] Task scheduler

2005-08-14 Thread freddy_hartono
Stupid question, Task Scheduler service is started? Else net start Task 
Scheduler

Schtasks to create via cmd line..

But I'm sure you are already aware of that.

Thank you and have a splendid day!
 
Kind Regards,
 
Freddy Hartono
Windows Administrator (ADSM/NT Security)
Spherion Technology Group, Singapore
For Agilent Technologies
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Team EITC
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To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Task scheduler

The log shows up and the entries for when the service started and
exited.  Nothing else is in the log. 
 

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In the Scheduled Tasks UI - goto Advanced and view log what shows up?

steve
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Nothing is showing up in the eventlog at all.
 

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Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Task scheduler

What of the EventLog?  

Have you tried to create it from teh CLI?

http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=TaskSched.TXT



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On 8/12/05, Cothern Jeff D. Team EITC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Windows 2000 stand alone machines. 
  
 Task scheduler service is running.  But when I try to create a new 
 task nothing comes up.  I looked in the local policy and I dont see
any settings
 for the task scheduler.   
  
 Anyone have any idea what could be causing this.
  
 Jeff

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RE: [ActiveDir] A bad bad thing...Manual push of AD?

2005-08-14 Thread freddy_hartono
Okay just a quick scenario.. If the deletion has been replicated (I'm fat, 
running to the nearest DC would be a pain :)

Would adrestore.exe does the job of restoring all these objects? 

Although as far as I know when object is deleted and still within tombstoned 
period, lots of attributes are not stored and cannot be retrieved back - but.. 
will it work?

Thank you and have a splendid day!
 
Kind Regards,
 
Freddy Hartono
Windows Administrator (ADSM/NT Security)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Shirley
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:41 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] A bad bad thing...Manual push of AD?

Please don't forget to do insert these steps:
  2.5 reboot the DC back to normal mode
  2.7 give a chance for the auth restore to replicate out (not
  necessary, just a good idea)

I'm so glad Guido wrote up the below, I had something 1/2 written up, but
I couldn't remember any of the details ... 

Cheers,
Brett

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, Grillenmeier, Guido wrote:

 hopefully you have another Win2003 DC with SP1 = a non-SP1 2003 DC
 would require you to perform more manual steps during the restore.  As
 you're still in mixed mode, none of your links are LVR (which means they
 won't be revived on a non-SP1 DC and ofcourse not on a Win2000 DC)
 
 1. so boot another SP1 DC into DS Restore mode
 2. use ntdsutil.exe to auth restore that user's object
 = with SP1, this step will create an LDIF file that will allow to
 restore the groups etc.
 it will be called
 ar_date-time_links_fully.qualified.domain.name.ldf 
 (e.g. ar_20050725-145850_links_child1.root.net.ldf) and contain
 something similar to this:
 
 dn: CN=Child1-UG1,OU=Groups,OU=MyChild1OU1,DC=child1,DC=root,DC=net
 changetype: modify
 delete: member
 member:
 CN=Root-User1,OU=Accounts,OU=MyRootOU1,OU=Externals,DC=root,DC=net
 -
 
 dn: CN=Child1-UG1,OU=Groups,OU=MyChild1OU1,DC=child1,DC=root,DC=net
 changetype: modify
 add: member
 member:
 CN=Root-User1,OU=Accounts,OU=MyRootOU1,OU=Externals,DC=root,DC=net
 -
 
 dn: CN=Child1-User2,OU=Accounts,OU=MyChild1OU1,DC=child1,DC=root,DC=net
 changetype: modify
 delete: manager
 manager:
 CN=Root-User1,OU=Accounts,OU=MyRootOU1,OU=Externals,DC=root,DC=net
 -
 
 dn: CN=Child1-User2,OU=Accounts,OU=MyChild1OU1,DC=child1,DC=root,DC=net
 changetype: modify
 add: manager
 manager:
 CN=Root-User1,OU=Accounts,OU=MyRootOU1,OU=Externals,DC=root,DC=net
 -
 
 If you have multiple domain, you may get more than one file (depends on
 group-memberships of user and if you are doing the auth restore on a DC
 or GC - you should choose a GC if you have more than one domain).  All
 you need to do after reboot is take that file and execute an LDIF import
 command (on a DC that corresponds to the file's domain):
 
 Ldifde -i -k -f ar_date-time_links_fully.qualified.domain.name.ldf
 e.g. Ldifde -i -k -f ar_20050725-145850_links_child1.root.net.ldf
 
 /Guido
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shadow Roldan
 Sent: Freitag, 12. August 2005 01:35
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] A bad bad thing...Manual push of AD?
 
 OK This is what I was looking for, this site didn't actually have a
 chance to repl out the delete so I just push back the 'good' state?
 
 So, if I understand I am supposed to:
 
 1. reboot a good DC into DS Restore mode
 2. use ntdsutil.exe to auth restore that user's object.
 3. use ldifde to restore the links (not sure about this step...any more
 info?)
 
 Bring my mistake DC back online, it tries to replicate, hits the Auth
 Restore, and the delete gets tossed, my mistake is rectified, and no one
 is the wiser...
 
 Yes?
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 2:56 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] A bad bad thing...Manual push of AD?
 
 I agree completely - that is the attraction of the lag sites - I have
 something in which I can push a change back out from a time delayed
 replica to where the object sill exists.
 
 And I agree as well - if there is a DC that has the object required - by
 all means, repl it back out authoritatively.
 
 Rick
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:31 PM
 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
 Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] A bad bad thing...Manual push of AD?
 
 Hmmm, maybe I misunderstoood ...
 
 I understood he has a user deleted on some DCs, but not on others.  He
 doesn't want the user deleted.  He can then just take a DC with the
 user, auth restore the user, let that replicate out.  Yes, the delete
 change will try to replicate out, but when it hits the auth restore the
 delete 

RE: [ActiveDir]

2005-08-14 Thread Brian Desmond








Right click and goto properties



A subject would help your message greatly.





Thanks,
Brian
Desmond

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From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Paul
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 7:33
PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] 





How do you setup folder redirection? How does it work?

1. create
shared folder 
2.
start,
programs,
administrative
tools, AD Users  Computers 
3.
OU
right click, properties, Group policy 
4.
new,
any
name, click name, edit, user config, windows
settings 
5.
folder
redirection, my docs 

Where do you go from here?

Thanks all 










RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

2005-08-14 Thread Eric Fleischman
If you want to validate when this code path is fired, set a breakpoint
on DCacheWriteDomainsToCache and see when it fires. It might be easiest
to use image file execution options to do this and put every winlogon
that fires up under ntsd, or you can do it on the kd side, whatever you
find easiest.

`Eric


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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:31 AM
To: Send - AD mailing list
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

Hmmm, I understand the distinction you're making Eric but don't
recollect it
being the case, I'll take a look at the source again and see if I can't
solidify this.  Thanks for the input.

--
Dean Wells
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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 1:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

Slight modification inline.

~Eric


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:34 PM
To: Send - AD mailing list
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] trust question

My apologies if I appeared to be yelling earlier, that wasn't my
intention
... I guess some frustrations came out in my text, sorry about that :o(

The GINA's domain list (by default) contains short or flat names (the
term
NetBIOS name currently describes the same thing but will eventually be
replaced by either of those two ... I at least live in hope).  The list
is
populated by the NETLOGON service (if memory serves) and is not
dependent
upon NetBIOS in anyway ... it merely shows the same short name.  This
too
can be changed using the following registry entries -

[EFleis] - The list in the GINA UI is actually populated by winlogon
itself
strictly speaking. When one presses the SAS in session 0 (this _only_
applies to session 0, no other session, as of win2k3 RTM anyway) we
populate
this list. That said, it does boil down to a query of netlogon of course
(I
don't recall if it asks the local netlogon who has already obtained the
info
from the upstream DCs netlogon or directly asks the DCs netlogon, it's
been
too long since I looked at this).
Disclaimer: I really don't know much about winlogon architecture. I once
had
to debug this domain list population code and of course had to dip my
toe in
there, so you just heard about a third of what I learned in that debug.
;)

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]
DCacheShowDomainTags=dword:0001
DCacheShowDnsNames=dword:0001

NetBIOS itself is a session layer+ protocol, i.e. it requires an
underlying
transport such as TCP/IP, IPX or NetBEUI.  It provides a means of
advertising presence, service and session management ... it also offers
a
transport-independent programmatic interface that permitted developers
to
write network-capable software without concerning themselves about the
specifics of the underlying transport mechanism(s).

If I may, I would wholeheartedly recommend getting yourself a series of
shrink-wrapped VMs/VPCs such that you're able to prove-out these
scenarios
yourself, it's a facility I've grown to cherish and couldn't possibly
work
without.

Hope the info. proves useful!

Dean

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Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:55 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question

i heard somewhere that windows 2k uses netbios to generate the drop down
list of trusted domains when you logon.

now don't yell at me, Dean, but is this true? how does it generate that
list
when you join a domain?
there is just a lot of disinformation about netbios(is it a protocol?
an API? A network driver?) and its role in windows today.

from what you're saying, as long as each dns server has secondary zones
of
their respective domains or conditional forwarding, all should be good
for a
trust just based on dns?

thanks

On 8/13/05, Dean Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As I said, it is indeed a common misunderstanding ... the fact that 
 there's a related article published only lends weight to that point.
 It takes very little effort to test and it continues to surprise me 
 when I hear of articles such as the one you've referenced (not that I 
 read it since I have more than enough accurate material to plough 
 through ;o)
 
 --
 Dean Wells
 MSEtechnology
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 Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] trust question
 
 Dean,
 
 Oh...I was under the 

RE: [ActiveDir] user dump

2005-08-14 Thread Brett Shirley
Yeah, really.

-B

On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Repadmin ..uhmm really? :)
 
 Thank you and have a splendid day!
  
 Kind Regards,
  
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 And repadmin.
 
 BrettSh
 
 On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Phil Renouf wrote:
 
  dsquery/dsget will do the trick as well.
  
  Phil
  
  On 8/10/05, Coleman, Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ADFind: http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/adfind.htm
   
   Example 6 from the command line help (adfind.exe /?) should be a good
   starting point for you.
   
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   how can i dump a list of all of my ad users?
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RE: [ActiveDir] user dump

2005-08-14 Thread Brian Desmond
Check out repadmin /viewlist - repadmin /listhelp should show you how to do
it. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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 Repadmin ..uhmm really? :)
 
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 And repadmin.
 
 BrettSh
 
 On Wed, 10 Aug 2005, Phil Renouf wrote:
 
  dsquery/dsget will do the trick as well.
  
  Phil
  
  On 8/10/05, Coleman, Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ADFind: http://www.joeware.net/win/free/tools/adfind.htm
   
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