Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 

Yeah we fired the guy who screwed up the AD on Monday



Brett Shirley wrote


Two things ...

Secondly, it isn't just security groups, has anyone been hired or quit?

Firstly, the whole thing isn't big server vs. small server ... it is
whether you have any AD replicas, that includes having two DCs for the
same domain (assuming neither is NT4, then these DCs replicate the
domain), or having another domain in the same forest (it is a replica of
the global config/schema).

Cheers,
-BrettSh



On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]  wrote:

 

The decision is made by the IT pro of the needed recovery process.  I 
would hope that any one of the folks on this list wouldn't just have an 
image restore if they were a single DC but also a system state out there 
as well.


You as the pro then make the appropriate recovery method... 
authoritative restore throw back in the imagewhatever... if you 
are running a single DC... you've gone through the permutations... you 
know why you've chosen single DC over multiple DCs.. you have a plan.


Again... in the SBS space there is a camp that would argue that 
introduction of muliple DCs takes away the flexibility of imaging that DC.


...and in SBSland... who makes 10 new domain groups for heavens sake on 
Tuesday?  We set this network up three years ago with the appropriate 
security groups and OU structure and we honestly have not touched that 
structure since.


I would argue as an IT pro... you will know the needs of your client and 
have that decision tree mapped out of the ways you can DR that network.


As long as you can grab a part of that system state even if it's off an 
old tape media... you can reinsert that (this is called the "Graveyard 
Swing" by JeffM in SBSland.


When the need for DR hits you'll want options to go down that highway.. 
not just one path.


Wyatt, David wrote:

   

Now here's the problem.  The "just restore and resume approach" could 
be, in a very specific situation, a bad idea.  I'm sure everything 
would "work" as such, but as desired?


After a backup is taken, new security principals might have been 
created in the domain. These security principals might be permissioned 
on certain resources e.g. file shares etc.  Now depending on when the 
image was taken and restore, it is *possible* the security principals 
no longer exist because the recovery has reverted to the image date, 
but their access rights might still exist. If the RID pool is not 
raised after a restore, and new security principals are created after 
the recovery might obtain identical security IDs (SIDs) and could have 
access to those objects, which was not originally intended.  So:


Monday - image taken
Tuesday - 10 new domain groups created and assigned permissions to 
file server
Wednesday - need to recover DC as its crashed, restore image from 
Monday.  Now you have SIDs assigned on the file server but are not 
present on the domain.  When you create new security principals they 
could obtain identical SIDs to the ones belonging to the groups that 
were created on Tuesday.


Would it not be prudent to raise the RID pool as part of your single 
DC recovery procedure?  I can't see what harm it would do anyway.





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To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



Hi David,

Just restore and resume as it's a single DC.

Cheers

Rob


Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
   
The Enterprise Pavilion

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-Original Message-
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Sent: 20 June 2006 10:38
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



To all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC 
from an image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of 
the RID pool or just restore and resume working?



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan 
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]

Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small
business did you?

We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best
practices for us.

Acronis works.

Big boys can

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Brett Shirley 
Two things ...

Secondly, it isn't just security groups, has anyone been hired or quit?

Firstly, the whole thing isn't big server vs. small server ... it is
whether you have any AD replicas, that includes having two DCs for the
same domain (assuming neither is NT4, then these DCs replicate the
domain), or having another domain in the same forest (it is a replica of
the global config/schema).

Cheers,
-BrettSh



On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]  wrote:

> The decision is made by the IT pro of the needed recovery process.  I 
> would hope that any one of the folks on this list wouldn't just have an 
> image restore if they were a single DC but also a system state out there 
> as well.
> 
> You as the pro then make the appropriate recovery method... 
> authoritative restore throw back in the imagewhatever... if you 
> are running a single DC... you've gone through the permutations... you 
> know why you've chosen single DC over multiple DCs.. you have a plan.
> 
> Again... in the SBS space there is a camp that would argue that 
> introduction of muliple DCs takes away the flexibility of imaging that DC.
> 
> ...and in SBSland... who makes 10 new domain groups for heavens sake on 
> Tuesday?  We set this network up three years ago with the appropriate 
> security groups and OU structure and we honestly have not touched that 
> structure since.
> 
> I would argue as an IT pro... you will know the needs of your client and 
> have that decision tree mapped out of the ways you can DR that network.
> 
> As long as you can grab a part of that system state even if it's off an 
> old tape media... you can reinsert that (this is called the "Graveyard 
> Swing" by JeffM in SBSland.
> 
> When the need for DR hits you'll want options to go down that highway.. 
> not just one path.
> 
> Wyatt, David wrote:
> 
> > Now here's the problem.  The "just restore and resume approach" could 
> > be, in a very specific situation, a bad idea.  I'm sure everything 
> > would "work" as such, but as desired?
> >
> > After a backup is taken, new security principals might have been 
> > created in the domain. These security principals might be permissioned 
> > on certain resources e.g. file shares etc.  Now depending on when the 
> > image was taken and restore, it is *possible* the security principals 
> > no longer exist because the recovery has reverted to the image date, 
> > but their access rights might still exist. If the RID pool is not 
> > raised after a restore, and new security principals are created after 
> > the recovery might obtain identical security IDs (SIDs) and could have 
> > access to those objects, which was not originally intended.  So:
> >
> > Monday - image taken
> > Tuesday - 10 new domain groups created and assigned permissions to 
> > file server
> > Wednesday - need to recover DC as its crashed, restore image from 
> > Monday.  Now you have SIDs assigned on the file server but are not 
> > present on the domain.  When you create new security principals they 
> > could obtain identical SIDs to the ones belonging to the groups that 
> > were created on Tuesday.
> >
> > Would it not be prudent to raise the RID pool as part of your single 
> > DC recovery procedure?  I can't see what harm it would do anyway.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
> > Sent: 20 Jun 2006 11:00
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
> > Server and Exchange Server
> >
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Just restore and resume as it's a single DC.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > Robert Rutherford
> > QuoStar Solutions Limited
> > 
> > The Enterprise Pavilion
> > Fern Barrow
> > Wallisdown
> > Poole
> > Dorset
> > BH12 5HH
> >  T:  +44 (0) 8456 440 331   
> > F:   +44 (0) 8456 440 332   
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> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wyatt, David
> > Sent: 20 June 2006 10:38
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
> > Server and Exchange Server
> >
> >
> > To all single D

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
The decision is made by the IT pro of the needed recovery process.  I 
would hope that any one of the folks on this list wouldn't just have an 
image restore if they were a single DC but also a system state out there 
as well.


You as the pro then make the appropriate recovery method... 
authoritative restore throw back in the imagewhatever... if you 
are running a single DC... you've gone through the permutations... you 
know why you've chosen single DC over multiple DCs.. you have a plan.


Again... in the SBS space there is a camp that would argue that 
introduction of muliple DCs takes away the flexibility of imaging that DC.


...and in SBSland... who makes 10 new domain groups for heavens sake on 
Tuesday?  We set this network up three years ago with the appropriate 
security groups and OU structure and we honestly have not touched that 
structure since.


I would argue as an IT pro... you will know the needs of your client and 
have that decision tree mapped out of the ways you can DR that network.


As long as you can grab a part of that system state even if it's off an 
old tape media... you can reinsert that (this is called the "Graveyard 
Swing" by JeffM in SBSland.


When the need for DR hits you'll want options to go down that highway.. 
not just one path.


Wyatt, David wrote:

Now here's the problem.  The "just restore and resume approach" could 
be, in a very specific situation, a bad idea.  I'm sure everything 
would "work" as such, but as desired?


After a backup is taken, new security principals might have been 
created in the domain. These security principals might be permissioned 
on certain resources e.g. file shares etc.  Now depending on when the 
image was taken and restore, it is *possible* the security principals 
no longer exist because the recovery has reverted to the image date, 
but their access rights might still exist. If the RID pool is not 
raised after a restore, and new security principals are created after 
the recovery might obtain identical security IDs (SIDs) and could have 
access to those objects, which was not originally intended.  So:


Monday - image taken
Tuesday - 10 new domain groups created and assigned permissions to 
file server
Wednesday - need to recover DC as its crashed, restore image from 
Monday.  Now you have SIDs assigned on the file server but are not 
present on the domain.  When you create new security principals they 
could obtain identical SIDs to the ones belonging to the groups that 
were created on Tuesday.


Would it not be prudent to raise the RID pool as part of your single 
DC recovery procedure?  I can't see what harm it would do anyway.





-Original Message-
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Sent: 20 Jun 2006 11:00
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



Hi David,

Just restore and resume as it's a single DC.

Cheers

Rob


Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited

The Enterprise Pavilion

Fern Barrow
Wallisdown
Poole
Dorset
BH12 5HH
 T:  +44 (0) 8456 440 331   
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wyatt, David
Sent: 20 June 2006 10:38
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



To all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC 
from an image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of 
the RID pool or just restore and resume working?



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan 
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]

Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server



And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small
business did you?

We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best
practices for us.

Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we can

do it.

Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for us.

(Fenway was cool btw)


Paul Glenn wrote:

> I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.
> One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.
> Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
> 
> Paul

>
> 
> On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]*

> <[EMAI

RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Wyatt, David 
Title: Message



Now here's the problem.  The 
"just restore and resume approach" could be, in a very specific situation, a bad 
idea.  I'm sure everything would "work" as such, but as 
desired?After a 
backup is taken, new security principals might have been created in the domain. 
These security principals might be permissioned on certain resources e.g. file 
shares etc.  Now depending on when the image was taken and restore, it is 
*possible* the security principals no longer exist because the recovery has 
reverted to the image date, but their access rights might still exist. If the 
RID pool is not raised after a restore, and new security principals are created 
after the recovery might obtain identical security IDs (SIDs) and could have 
access to those objects, which was not originally intended.  
So:Monday - image takenTuesday - 10 new domain groups created and 
assigned permissions to file serverWednesday - need to recover DC as its 
crashed, restore image from Monday.  Now you have SIDs assigned on the file 
server but are not present on the domain.  When you create new security 
principals they could obtain identical SIDs to the ones belonging to the groups 
that were created on Tuesday.Would it not be prudent to raise the RID 
pool as part of your single DC recovery procedure?  I can't see what harm 
it would do anyway.
-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robert RutherfordSent: 20 Jun 2006 
11:00To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost 
Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange ServerHi 
David,Just restore and resume as it's a single 
DC.CheersRobRobert RutherfordQuoStar Solutions 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Wyatt, DavidSent: 20 June 2006 
10:38To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost 
Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange ServerTo 
all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC from an 
image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of the RID pool or 
just restore and resume working?-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks 
[MVP]Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: 
Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange 
ServerAnd you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for 
Smallbusiness did you?We're a single DC folks.. hello... it 
works.We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not 
bestpractices for us.Acronis works.Big boys can't image 
DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we cando 
it.Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big 
serverland stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for 
us.(Fenway was cool btw)Paul Glenn wrote:> I 
attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.> One 
thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.> Their 
reasoning was the whole SID situation.> > 
Paul>> > On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - 
SBS Rocks [MVP]*> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:>> And us SBSers 
will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR> 
strategy> in place can be less issue than 
multiple domain controllers.(please> note the 
"DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of> 
time)>> What is the size of the firm and 
what is the tolerance ofdowntime.> Start from 
there.  Plan your DR process.>> 
Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:>> > Only 
in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, 
therewould> > not be much of an issue. 
Although I still recomment to use a> 
supported> > 
method.> > No matter how many DCs, using a 
supported method/tool/procedure,> 
you> > will always be ready for 
it.> > As soon as you get a second DC, the 
image thing won't work thatgood> > 
anymore.> >> 
> For more info also see:> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx> 
>> > I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC 
in each AD domain (andbackup> > at least 
2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for 
ifsomething> > goes wrong with one DC. In 
that case while one DC is still> running 
you> > can repair the other or promote another 
DC into the AD domain.> If 
you> > only have one DC, AD will be available 
again as soon as that> single 
DC> > is up and running 
again.> >> > 
Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,> > 
Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto> > /Senior 
Infrastructure Consultant/> > /MV

RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Rutherford 

Note that you will of course need to restore the changes taken between
images, i.e. system state et al

Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
 
The Enterprise Pavilion
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: 20 June 2006 11:00
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server

Hi David,

Just restore and resume as it's a single DC.

Cheers

Rob


Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
 
The Enterprise Pavilion
Fern Barrow
Wallisdown
Poole
Dorset
BH12 5HH
 T:  +44 (0) 8456 440 331
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wyatt, David
Sent: 20 June 2006 10:38
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server


To all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC
from an image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of
the RID pool or just restore and resume working?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server


And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small 
business did you?

We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best 
practices for us.

Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we can

do it.

Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server 
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for us.

(Fenway was cool btw)


Paul Glenn wrote:

> I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.
> One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  
> Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
>  
> Paul
>
>  
> On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]*
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
> strategy
> in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.
(please
> note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of 
> time)
>
> What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of
downtime.
> Start from there.  Plan your DR process.
>
> Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:
>
> > Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there
would
> > not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a
> supported
> > method.
> > No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,
> you
> > will always be ready for it.
> > As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that
good
> > anymore.
> >
> > For more info also see:
> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
> >
> > I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and
backup
> > at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if
something
> > goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
> running you
> > can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.
> If you
> > only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
> single DC
> > is up and running again.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
> > Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
> > /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
> > /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> > //
> > *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*
> > (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
> > (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>
> > *   E-mail : 
> >
> >
>
--------
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose
> Medeiros
> > *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<ma

RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Rutherford 
Hi David,

Just restore and resume as it's a single DC.

Cheers

Rob


Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
 
The Enterprise Pavilion
Fern Barrow
Wallisdown
Poole
Dorset
BH12 5HH
 T:  +44 (0) 8456 440 331
F:   +44 (0) 8456 440 332
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wyatt, David
Sent: 20 June 2006 10:38
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server


To all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC
from an image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of
the RID pool or just restore and resume working?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server


And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small 
business did you?

We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best 
practices for us.

Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we can

do it.

Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server 
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for us.

(Fenway was cool btw)


Paul Glenn wrote:

> I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.
> One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  
> Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
>  
> Paul
>
>  
> On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]*
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
> strategy
> in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.
(please
> note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of 
> time)
>
> What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of
downtime.
> Start from there.  Plan your DR process.
>
> Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:
>
> > Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there
would
> > not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a
> supported
> > method.
> > No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,
> you
> > will always be ready for it.
> > As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that
good
> > anymore.
> >
> > For more info also see:
> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
> >
> > I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and
backup
> > at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if
something
> > goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
> running you
> > can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.
> If you
> > only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
> single DC
> > is up and running again.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
> > Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
> > /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
> > /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> > //
> > *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*
> > (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
> > (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>
> > *   E-mail : 
> >
> >
>
--------
> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose
> Medeiros
> > *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> > *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active
Directory
> > Server and Exchange Server
> >
> > Hi Amit,
> >
> > Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition
> so you
> > have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP
> > Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to
add
> > the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll
>

RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-20 Thread Wyatt, David 

To all single DC folks - when you perform a restore of your single DC
from an image, as part of your procedure do you increase the value of
the RID pool or just restore and resume working?


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
Sent: 20 Jun 2006 1:03
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
Server and Exchange Server


And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small 
business did you?

We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best 
practices for us.

Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we can

do it.

Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server 
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for us.

(Fenway was cool btw)


Paul Glenn wrote:

> I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.
> One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  
> Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
>  
> Paul
>
>  
> On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]*
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
> strategy
> in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.
(please
> note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of 
> time)
>
> What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of
downtime.
> Start from there.  Plan your DR process.
>
> Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:
>
> > Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there
would
> > not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a
> supported
> > method.
> > No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,
> you
> > will always be ready for it.
> > As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that
good
> > anymore.
> >
> > For more info also see:
> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
> >
> > I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and
backup
> > at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if
something
> > goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
> running you
> > can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.
> If you
> > only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
> single DC
> > is up and running again.
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
> > Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
> > /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
> > /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> > //
> > *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*
> > (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
> > (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>
> > *   E-mail : 
> >
> >
>
--------
>     > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose
> Medeiros
> > *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
> > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> > *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active
Directory
> > Server and Exchange Server
> >
> > Hi Amit,
> >
> > Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition
> so you
> > have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP
> > Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to
add
> > the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll
> have to
> > create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
> >
> > If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend
> you use
> > Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
> <http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/>.
> >
> > Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/
> which may
> > be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used
> Ghost
> > Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged
several
> > hundredservers with it at

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-19 Thread Paul Glenn 
Since I'm not small businees, no I didn't.  I also didn't go to Fenway.I opted to go see X-Men down at Boston Common :) 
On 6/19/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
BTW when you get the TechEd DVD .. listen to it.Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
> And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small> business did you?>> We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.>> We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not
> best practices for us.>> Acronis works.>> Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we> can do it.>> Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server
> land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for> us. (Fenway was cool btw)>>> Paul Glenn wrote:>>> I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.
>> One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.>> Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.>>>> Paul>>>>>> On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]*
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>>>> And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
>> strategy>> in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.>> (please>> note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of time)
>>>> What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of downtime.>> Start from there.  Plan your DR process.>>>> Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:>>
>> > Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there>> would>> > not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a>> supported>> > method.
>> > No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,>> you>> > will always be ready for it.>> > As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that
>> good>> > anymore.>> >>> > For more info also see:>> > http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
>> >>> > I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and>> backup>> > at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if something>> > goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
>> running you>> > can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.>> If you>> > only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
>> single DC>> > is up and running again.>> >>> > Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,>> > Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto>> > /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
>> > /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/>> > //>> > *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*>>     > (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777>>     > (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-
26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>>> > *   E-mail : >> >>> >>>
>> >> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose>> Medeiros>> > *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01>> > *To:* 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> > *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>> > *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
>> > Server and Exchange Server>> >>> > Hi Amit,>> >>> > Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition>> so you
>> > have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP>> > Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need>> to add>> > the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll
>> have to>> > create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.>> >>> > If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend>> you use
>> > Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/>> <http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/>.>> >
>> > Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/>> which may>> > be less ex

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-19 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 

BTW when you get the TechEd DVD .. listen to it.

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:

And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small 
business did you?


We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not 
best practices for us.


Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we 
can do it.


Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server 
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for 
us. (Fenway was cool btw)



Paul Glenn wrote:

I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.  
One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  
Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
 
Paul


 
On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
strategy
in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.  
(please

note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of time)

What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of downtime.
Start from there.  Plan your DR process.

Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:

> Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there 
would

> not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a
supported
> method.
> No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,
you
> will always be ready for it.
> As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that 
good

> anymore.
>
> For more info also see:
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
>
> I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and 
backup

> at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if something
> goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
running you
> can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.
If you
> only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
single DC
> is up and running again.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
> Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
> /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
> /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> //
> *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*
> (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
> (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>
> *   E-mail : 
>
>



> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose
Medeiros
> *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
    > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
> Server and Exchange Server
>
> Hi Amit,
>
> Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition
so you
> have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP
> Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need 
to add

> the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll
have to
> create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
>
> If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend
you use
> Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
<http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/>.
>
> Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/
which may
> be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used
Ghost
> Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged 
several

> hundredservers with it at ADP Payroll Systems ).
>
> Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires that you
read the
> documentation with each product.
>
> Best Wish's,
>
> Jose Medeiros
> http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
>
>

--- 



>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Amit Kapoor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 PM

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-19 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
And you didn't go to Jeff Middleton's TechEd session on DR for Small 
business did you?


We're a single DC folks.. hello... it works.

We're not enterprise and that means best practices for you are not best 
practices for us.


Acronis works.

Big boys can't image DCs.. we can.  We're little..we're agile and we can 
do it.


Big server land can't ...and that's fine...but the rules of big server 
land stop at the gates of SBSland... it's a whole diff ball game for us. 
(Fenway was cool btw)



Paul Glenn wrote:

I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.  
One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  
Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
 
Paul


 
On 6/17/06, *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]* 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR
strategy
in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.  (please
note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of time)

What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of downtime.
Start from there.  Plan your DR process.

Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:

> Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there would
> not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a
supported
> method.
> No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure,
you
> will always be ready for it.
> As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that good
> anymore.
>
> For more info also see:
> http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
>
> I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and backup
> at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if something
> goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still
running you
> can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain.
If you
> only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that
single DC
> is up and running again.
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,
> Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
> /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
> /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> //
> *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*
> (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
> (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80 <http://26.26.62.80>
> *   E-mail : 
>
>

> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on behalf of Jose
Medeiros
> *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
    > *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory
> Server and Exchange Server
>
> Hi Amit,
>
> Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition
so you
> have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP
> Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to add
> the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll
have to
> create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
>
> If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend
you use
> Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
<http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/>.
>
> Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/
which may
> be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used
Ghost
> Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several
> hundredservers with it at ADP Payroll Systems ).
>
> Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires that you
read the
> documentation with each product.
>
> Best Wish's,
>
> Jose Medeiros
> http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
>
>

---

>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Amit Kapoor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 PM
> *Subject:* [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or Image for Active
> Directory Ser

Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-19 Thread Paul Glenn 
I attended a Disaster Recovery of AD class at TechEd this past week.  One thing they said was to NEVER EVER rely on a ghost image for DR.  Their reasoning was the whole SID situation.
 
Paul 
On 6/17/06, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR strategyin place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.  (please
note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of time)What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of downtime.Start from there.  Plan your DR process.Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:
> Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there would> not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a supported> method.> No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure, you
> will always be ready for it.> As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that good> anymore.>> For more info also see:> 
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx>> I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and backup> at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if something
> goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still running you> can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain. If you> only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that single DC
> is up and running again.>> Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,> Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto> /Senior Infrastructure Consultant/> /MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
> //> *LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*> (   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777> (   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80> *   E-mail : 
>> > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jose Medeiros
> *Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]> *Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory> Server and Exchange Server>> Hi Amit,>> Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition so you
> have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP> Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to add> the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll have to
> create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.>> If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend you use> Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/
.>> Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/ which may> be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used Ghost> Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several
> hundredservers with it at ADP Payroll Systems ).>> Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires that you read the> documentation with each product.>> Best Wish's,>
> Jose Medeiros> http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1>> ---
>> - Original Message -> *From:* Amit Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 PM> *Subject:* [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or Image for Active> Directory Server and Exchange Server
>> Hi,>>>> I have windows 2000 domain controller and windows 2003 server on> which exchange 2003 is installed.>>>> I want to take Ghost Backup or an operating system image of the
> server. So that in case of crisis the same can be recovered in few> minutes.>>>> Please help me and guide me how can I take the ghost backup of the> servers and how do I test restore of the ghost image.
>>>> Thanks>> Amit>>>> *ps. check out our latest product: **www.DriveInside.com** -> India's No. 1 Auto Website*>> 
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Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-17 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
And us SBSers will say that sometimes that single DC with a DR strategy 
in place can be less issue than multiple domain controllers.  (please 
note the "DR strategy" phrase there.. this is planned ahead of time)


What is the size of the firm and what is the tolerance of downtime.  
Start from there.  Plan your DR process.


Almeida Pinto, Jorge de wrote:

Only in an AD environment with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there would 
not be much of an issue. Although I still recomment to use a supported 
method.
No matter how many DCs, using a supported method/tool/procedure, you 
will always be ready for it.
As soon as you get a second DC, the image thing won't work that good 
anymore.
 
For more info also see:

http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
 
I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in each AD domain (and backup 
at least 2, preferably more if you have more DCs) for if something 
goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is still running you 
can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain. If you 
only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that single DC 
is up and running again.
 
Met vriendelijke groeten / Kind regards,

Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
/Senior Infrastructure Consultant/
/MVP Windows Server - Directory Services/
// 
*LogicaCMG Nederland B.V. (BU RTINC Eindhoven)*

(   Tel : +31-(0)40-29.57.777
(   Mobile : +31-(0)6-26.26.62.80
*   E-mail : 


*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jose Medeiros
*Sent:* Sat 2006-06-17 08:01
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Cc:* Medeiros, Jose; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory 
Server and Exchange Server


Hi Amit,
 
Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition so you 
have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP 
Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to add 
the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll have to 
create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
 
If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend you use 
Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/.
 
Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/ which may 
be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used Ghost 
Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several 
hundredservers with it at ADP Payroll Systems ).
 
Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires that you read the 
documentation with each product.
 
Best Wish's,
 
Jose Medeiros

http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
 
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*From:* Amit Kapoor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 PM
*Subject:* [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or Image for Active
Directory Server and Exchange Server

Hi,

 


I have windows 2000 domain controller and windows 2003 server on
which exchange 2003 is installed.

 


I want to take Ghost Backup or an operating system image of the
server. So that in case of crisis the same can be recovered in few
minutes.

 


Please help me and guide me how can I take the ghost backup of the
servers and how do I test restore of the ghost image.

 


Thanks

Amit

 


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Module One India Ltd.
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Re: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-17 Thread Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 

Acronis.

Hands down the product that we SBSers use to do that (don't tell the AD 
guys we do this) image backup of our DCs is Acronis.  It will also 
restore on diff hardware.


Buy the TechEd DVD and listen to Jeff Middleton's DR of a small business 
talk.




Jose Medeiros wrote:


Hi Amit,
 
Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost Corporate Edition so you 
have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such as a HP 
Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to add 
the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll have to 
create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
 
If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would recommend you use 
Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/.
 
Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/ which may 
be less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used Ghost 
Version 8, 32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several 
hundredservers with it at ADP Payroll Systems ).
 
Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires that you read the 
documentation with each product.
 
Best Wish's,
 
Jose Medeiros

http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
 
---


- Original Message -
*From:* Amit Kapoor 
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
*Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 PM
*Subject:* [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or Image for Active
Directory Server and Exchange Server

Hi,

 


I have windows 2000 domain controller and windows 2003 server on
which exchange 2003 is installed.

 


I want to take Ghost Backup or an operating system image of the
server. So that in case of crisis the same can be recovered in few
minutes.

 


Please help me and guide me how can I take the ghost backup of the
servers and how do I test restore of the ghost image.

 


Thanks

Amit

 


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India's No. 1 Auto Website*


Amit Kapoor

Network Engineer
Module One India Ltd.
Paharpur Software Technology Incubator Park
A-88, Okhla Phase II, New Delhi 110020, India

Tel: +91-(0)11-41859200 ext. 204 |  Fax: +91-(0)11-41859220
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |  Web:
www.moduleone.com 

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RE: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-17 Thread Almeida Pinto, Jorge de 





Only in an AD environment 
with ONE DC in the AD FOREST, there would not be much of an issue. Although I 
still recomment to use a supported method.
No matter how many DCs, using a supported 
method/tool/procedure, you will always be ready for it.
As soon as you get a second DC, the image 
thing won't work that good anymore.
 
For more info also see:
http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx
 
I also recommend to have AT LEAST 2 DC in 
each AD domain (and backup at least 2, preferably more if you have more 
DCs) for if something goes wrong with one DC. In that case while one DC is 
still running you can repair the other or promote another DC into the AD domain. 
If you only have one DC, AD will be available again as soon as that single DC is 
up and running again.
 


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Ing. Jorge de Almeida Pinto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 
behalf of Jose MedeirosSent: Sat 2006-06-17 08:01To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Medeiros, Jose; 
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or 
Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

Hi Amit, 
 
Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost 
Corporate Edition so you have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such 
as a HP Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to 
add the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll have to 
create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
 
If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would 
recommend you use Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/.
 
Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/ which may be 
less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used Ghost Version 8, 
32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several hundredservers with it 
at ADP Payroll Systems ).
 
Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires 
that you read the documentation with each product.
 
Best Wish's, 
 
Jose Medeiros
http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Amit Kapoor 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 
PM
  Subject: [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or 
  Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server
  
  
  Hi,
   
  I have windows 2000 domain 
  controller and windows 2003 server on which exchange 2003 is 
  installed.
   
  I want to take Ghost Backup or an 
  operating system image of the server. So that in case of crisis the same can 
  be recovered in few minutes.
   
  Please help me and guide me how 
  can I take the ghost backup of the servers and how do I test restore of the 
  ghost image.
   
  Thanks
  Amit
   
  
  ps. check out our 
  latest product: www.DriveInside.com - India's No. 1 Auto 
  Website
  Amit Kapoor
  Network EngineerModule One India 
  Ltd. Paharpur Software Technology Incubator Park A-88, Okhla Phase II, 
  New Delhi 110020, IndiaTel: +91-(0)11-41859200 ext. 204 |  Fax: 
  +91-(0)11-41859220E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |  Web: www.moduleone.com  c r e a t i v 
  e   i n t e r n e t   s o l u t i o n s Module 
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  successfully using the Internet for their marketing 
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[ActiveDir] Ghost Backup or Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server

2006-06-16 Thread Jose Medeiros 



Hi Amit, 
 
Well first you'll need to buy Symantec Ghost 
Corporate Edition so you have the 32 bit version. Then if you have a server such 
as a HP Proliant DL-580 with a 6400 Smart Raid Controller you'll need to 
add the Raid controller driver to your bootable CD Rom that you'll have to 
create so it can access the Raid Disk Array.
 
If you Want to create your own Bootable CD, I would 
recommend you use Microsoft WinPE or Bart's PE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/.
 
Barts also allows you to use Acronis http://www.acronis.com/ which may be 
less expensive then Ghost Corporate, however I have only used Ghost Version 8, 
32Bit and can attest that it works ( I've imaged several hundredservers with it 
at ADP Payroll Systems ).
 
Hope this helps, the rest is up to you and requires 
that you read the documentation with each product.
 
Best Wish's, 
 
Jose Medeiros
http://www.myspace.com/josemedeiros1
 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Amit Kapoor 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 10:39 
PM
  Subject: [ExchangeList] Ghost Backup or 
  Image for Active Directory Server and Exchange Server
  
  
  Hi,
   
  I have windows 2000 domain 
  controller and windows 2003 server on which exchange 2003 is 
  installed.
   
  I want to take Ghost Backup or an 
  operating system image of the server. So that in case of crisis the same can 
  be recovered in few minutes.
   
  Please help me and guide me how 
  can I take the ghost backup of the servers and how do I test restore of the 
  ghost image.
   
  Thanks
  Amit
   
  
  ps. check out our 
  latest product: www.DriveInside.com - India's No. 1 Auto 
  Website
  Amit Kapoor
  Network EngineerModule One India 
  Ltd. Paharpur Software Technology Incubator Park A-88, Okhla Phase II, New Delhi 110020, IndiaTel: 
  +91-(0)11-41859200 ext. 204 |  Fax: +91-(0)11-41859220E-mail: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |  Web: www.moduleone.com  c r e a t i v 
  e   i n t e r n e t   s o l u t i o n s Module 
  One, one of India's leading Interactive agencies, uses a combination of 
  creative, marketing and technology skills to assist clients in 
  successfully using the Internet for their marketing 
  initiatives.