RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
Fair enough…I hope others have a better experience than I did. Even ntbackup wouldn’t work without a patch and re-install of MSDE. As the MS tech who helped me with the issue put it…”Well that’s nuts…” Couldn’t have put it better myself J -Original Message- From: Joe Pochedley [mailto:joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? There are a lot of people who wouldn't agree that SBS includes a lot of "crap"... Arguably, SBS includes a lot of value. Admittedly most people turn off more than they turn on with SBS, but if you even just use one of the ancillary products (Exchange, Sharepoint, SQL) in addition to the OS itself there's just no way you can beat the price for a small business... SBS is meant to be the 'be all, end all" for the small business server needs... For the market targeted by SBS, buying one server to run everything is much more cost effective even if you're only using half the features... Heck, even just plain Windows Server 2003 is more expensive than SBS Standard (assuming you don't need SQL) Joe Pochedley Weiler's Law - Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. From: Creamer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? On a related rant, I completed a small network installation for a friend’s growing business last weekend. It was my first experience with Small Biz Server. I’m amazed at the bulk of crap it includes. Seems like I turned off more features than I turned on. Several patches for SBS-specific bugs later, I finally have it stable. I will *never* recommend that behemoth again…Give me plain vanilla Win2003 Server anytime.
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
There are a lot of people who wouldn't agree that SBS includes a lot of "crap"... Arguably, SBS includes a lot of value. Admittedly most people turn off more than they turn on with SBS, but if you even just use one of the ancillary products (Exchange, Sharepoint, SQL) in addition to the OS itself there's just no way you can beat the price for a small business... SBS is meant to be the 'be all, end all" for the small business server needs... For the market targeted by SBS, buying one server to run everything is much more cost effective even if you're only using half the features... Heck, even just plain Windows Server 2003 is more expensive than SBS Standard (assuming you don't need SQL) Joe Pochedley Weiler's Law - Nothing is impossible for the man who doesn't have to do it himself. From: Creamer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 8:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? On a related rant, I completed a small network installation for a friend’s growing business last weekend. It was my first experience with Small Biz Server. I’m amazed at the bulk of crap it includes. Seems like I turned off more features than I turned on. Several patches for SBS-specific bugs later, I finally have it stable. I will *never* recommend that behemoth again…Give me plain vanilla Win2003 Server anytime.
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
On a related rant, I completed a small network installation for a friend’s growing business last weekend. It was my first experience with Small Biz Server. I’m amazed at the bulk of crap it includes. Seems like I turned off more features than I turned on. Several patches for SBS-specific bugs later, I finally have it stable. I will *never* recommend that behemoth again…Give me plain vanilla Win2003 Server anytime.
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
It hasn't come up for me on SBS 2003, so I can't speak with certainty. However, for both SBS 2000 and SBS 4.5 before it, there were migration paths through something called a "BackOffice Upgrade" which sent you full versions of the OS and every server (SQL, Exchange, Proxy/ISA), plus upgrade CALs to go from SBS CALs to "Core CALs". I presume a similar thing is true for SBS 2003. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Raymond McClinnis Sent: Thu 4/8/2004 4:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? I guess I have a question on this then. What is the Microsoft recommended migration plan from SBS to a "real" WIN2k/2K3 domain? It seems to me that if you purchase all of the correct CALS / Seat Licenses, Server Licenses, etc... then there should be no legal problems to this. Right? Or do they expect you to rebuild your whole domain from the ground up :-) Thanks, Raymond McClinnis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? You can't have trusts on the SBS server, so it kinda depends on what you mean by "migrate". Additional DCs are for "backup purposes only" and are not intended to provide any other services :-P (Can it be done, if you have extra boxes and non-SBS software to play with? Yes. Is it a licensing violation? Yes.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? This isn't for me so no licensing issues involved here. Just brainstorming. Hmm I always thought that you could not do that with SBS. I've also read somewhere that you could not migrate users from an SBS built domain to another AD domain. I assumed this was because you could not have Win2k or 2k3 DCs in the domain. So would it also be possible to migrate users from an SBS domain to a Win2k domain? Assuming of course you have license to do so. Thanks for the clarification. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406 <>
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
I guess I have a question on this then. What is the Microsoft recommended migration plan from SBS to a “real” WIN2k/2K3 domain? It seems to me that if you purchase all of the correct CALS / Seat Licenses, Server Licenses, etc… then there should be no legal problems to this. Right? Or do they expect you to rebuild your whole domain from the ground up J Thanks, Raymond McClinnis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? You can't have trusts on the SBS server, so it kinda depends on what you mean by "migrate". Additional DCs are for "backup purposes only" and are not intended to provide any other services :-P (Can it be done, if you have extra boxes and non-SBS software to play with? Yes. Is it a licensing violation? Yes.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? This isn't for me so no licensing issues involved here. Just brainstorming. Hmm I always thought that you could not do that with SBS. I've also read somewhere that you could not migrate users from an SBS built domain to another AD domain. I assumed this was because you could not have Win2k or 2k3 DCs in the domain. So would it also be possible to migrate users from an SBS domain to a Win2k domain? Assuming of course you have license to do so. Thanks for the clarification. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, Mike Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
Thanks Michael. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 3:19 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? You can't have trusts on the SBS server, so it kinda depends on what you mean by "migrate". Additional DCs are for "backup purposes only" and are not intended to provide any other services :-P (Can it be done, if you have extra boxes and non-SBS software to play with? Yes. Is it a licensing violation? Yes.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:00 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? This isn't for me so no licensing issues involved here. Just brainstorming. Hmm I always thought that you could not do that with SBS. I've also read somewhere that you could not migrate users from an SBS built domain to another AD domain. I assumed this was because you could not have Win2k or 2k3 DCs in the domain. So would it also be possible to migrate users from an SBS domain to a Win2k domain? Assuming of course you have license to do so. Thanks for the clarification. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
You can't have trusts on the SBS server, so it kinda depends on what you mean by "migrate". Additional DCs are for "backup purposes only" and are not intended to provide any other services :-P (Can it be done, if you have extra boxes and non-SBS software to play with? Yes. Is it a licensing violation? Yes.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:00 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? This isn't for me so no licensing issues involved here. Just brainstorming. Hmm I always thought that you could not do that with SBS. I've also read somewhere that you could not migrate users from an SBS built domain to another AD domain. I assumed this was because you could not have Win2k or 2k3 DCs in the domain. So would it also be possible to migrate users from an SBS domain to a Win2k domain? Assuming of course you have license to do so. Thanks for the clarification. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
This isn't for me so no licensing issues involved here. Just brainstorming. Hmm I always thought that you could not do that with SBS. I've also read somewhere that you could not migrate users from an SBS built domain to another AD domain. I assumed this was because you could not have Win2k or 2k3 DCs in the domain. So would it also be possible to migrate users from an SBS domain to a Win2k domain? Assuming of course you have license to do so. Thanks for the clarification. Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 2:51 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406
RE: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
Yes, you can. The SBS server must be "at the root" of the domain, to be "legal". The SBS tools don't allow you to move the FSMO roles, but you can do so at the other servers once they are are promoted. So, I must advise you not to do that, because it would be a licensing violation. :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Celone, MikeSent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 1:35 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain? Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406
[ActiveDir] Join other DCs to an SBS2k or 2k3 domain?
Can someone confirm something for me? Can you join a Win2k or Win2k3 server to a domain created with SBS 2k or SBS2k3 and the run DCPROMO and bring it online as a DC. I thought that you could not do that with SBS. I thought SBS could be the only domain controller in your domain. Mike Celone Systems Specialist Radio Frequency Systems v 203-630-3311 x1031 f 203-634-2027 m 203-537-2406 Mike Celone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).vcf Description: Binary data
