RE: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
I am way late on this thread but my experience with IBM has been horrible. At the widget factory I was at, we switched from Dell to IBM because the newish CIO was from IBM. Our DOA rates went up to about 30% from about 0%. We implemented new procedures to burn in every DC for a couple of weeks prior to use because we had so many failures and had to rebuild them. Also the pricing was no where near similar. We could have picked up several 8-ways for the cost of a single IBM 8-way. I can't speak to the HP hardware, it has been way too long since I have directly worked with it or seen costing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Renouf Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers I have always preferred IBM servers personally. For tech they tend to be about 6 months ahead of HP and Dell and if you're a good sized company you can actually get an IBM server for less than HP. HP makes a great product too but the support depends on who you get your maintenance from and can vary greatly. Dell servers are alright as well, but as mentioned I don't think their tools are up to the same level as IBM and HP. Phil On 8/12/05, Chris Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you contacted your local HP rep, or VAR? Yes, one can argue that > servers are a commodity today. HP tends to be a far superior product, > in both reliability, support, and to a certain degree performance. > > One of the drawbacks of Dell is the fact they only supply Intel-based > servers. The AMD Opteron systems I have implemented have not only > cost less than the Intel servers, but have kicked their a$$ up and > down the datacenter. > > Plus, the management tools HP offers is more mature than IT Assistant is. > Both vendors have different roads for their management applications. > HP SIM continues to evolve and support multiple platforms (not just > HP, but SNMP-based systems, etc). While Dell partners with MS to plug into MOM. > that's nice and all, but not every shop out there is completely MS based. > > Yes Dell has partnered with Altiris, but HP/Compaq has had that > partnership for over 7 years. > > Chris > - Original Message - > From: "Nathan Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:48 PM > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers > > > Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The > accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch > to Dell servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but > can't find any good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does > anyone have any good material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. > Thanks > Nathan > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
Well, explain to the bean counters that they're costs for you and your team are going to skyrocket when you're doing 2x the amount of work to support/research & spec HP and Dell equipment, stocking 2x the amount of spare parts, etc. Frankly, I think Dell servers don't compare to HP when its all said and done and you look at the way they're built, the tools they come with, the features they offer, etc. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Casey Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:48 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch to Dell servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but can't find any good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does anyone have any good material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. Thanks Nathan List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
I have always preferred IBM servers personally. For tech they tend to be about 6 months ahead of HP and Dell and if you're a good sized company you can actually get an IBM server for less than HP. HP makes a great product too but the support depends on who you get your maintenance from and can vary greatly. Dell servers are alright as well, but as mentioned I don't think their tools are up to the same level as IBM and HP. Phil On 8/12/05, Chris Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you contacted your local HP rep, or VAR? Yes, one can argue that > servers are a commodity today. HP tends to be a far superior product, in > both reliability, support, and to a certain degree performance. > > One of the drawbacks of Dell is the fact they only supply Intel-based > servers. The AMD Opteron systems I have implemented have not only cost less > than the Intel servers, but have kicked their a$$ up and down the > datacenter. > > Plus, the management tools HP offers is more mature than IT Assistant is. > Both vendors have different roads for their management applications. HP SIM > continues to evolve and support multiple platforms (not just HP, but > SNMP-based systems, etc). While Dell partners with MS to plug into MOM. > that's nice and all, but not every shop out there is completely MS based. > > Yes Dell has partnered with Altiris, but HP/Compaq has had that partnership > for over 7 years. > > Chris > - Original Message - > From: "Nathan Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:48 PM > Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers > > > Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The > accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch to Dell > servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but can't find any > good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does anyone have any good > material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. > Thanks > Nathan > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
Have you contacted your local HP rep, or VAR? Yes, one can argue that servers are a commodity today. HP tends to be a far superior product, in both reliability, support, and to a certain degree performance. One of the drawbacks of Dell is the fact they only supply Intel-based servers. The AMD Opteron systems I have implemented have not only cost less than the Intel servers, but have kicked their a$$ up and down the datacenter. Plus, the management tools HP offers is more mature than IT Assistant is. Both vendors have different roads for their management applications. HP SIM continues to evolve and support multiple platforms (not just HP, but SNMP-based systems, etc). While Dell partners with MS to plug into MOM. that's nice and all, but not every shop out there is completely MS based. Yes Dell has partnered with Altiris, but HP/Compaq has had that partnership for over 7 years. Chris - Original Message - From: "Nathan Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch to Dell servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but can't find any good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does anyone have any good material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. Thanks Nathan List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
The physical servers themselves are pretty much a commodity nowadays between HP, IBM and Dell. The vendors' support model and practices are a big factor. Cost is also a factor, of course. Shifting to a new hardware vendor will increase administrative and support costs. You'll now have to keep track of potentially twice the number of BIOS versions, device drivers, management products, etc. The degree to how much this applies largely depends on the number of servers and how you guys do your support. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nathan Casey Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:48 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch to Dell servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but can't find any good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does anyone have any good material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. Thanks Nathan List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: HP vs Dell servers
What are the reasons they believe that you should be using Dell? Have there been any problems in service, availability or choices? Have you spoken to your HP rep or VARs? (btw, the multi-source thing is one on my favorite advantages for HP) -ASB FAST, CHEAP, SECURE: Pick Any TWO http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/ On 8/12/05, Nathan Casey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry for the off topic question. We are currently an all HP shop. The > accountants in management now want us to justify why we don't switch to Dell > servers. I have looked around the web including Gartner but can't find any > good Dell vs HP comparison/benchmark testing. Does anyone have any good > material that discusses why HP over Dell servers or vise versa. > Thanks > Nathan List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
