RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message Oh dear, I apologize for my sense of humor ... I lose touch with reality when I've been chatting with a video camera for 3 days and become convinced that my jokes may even make others laugh, sorry about that :o( As for switching accents, I can assure that's entirely for my own benefit and I'll have you know I do a crackin' Aussie accent ... at least my Mum says so! I learned it all here [watch out for the popups] - http://www.google.aussietranslator.com/ --Dean WellsMSEtechnology* Email: dwells@msetechnology.comhttp://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katherine CoombsSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:21 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; Send - AD mailing listSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job OK well I’m going to have to stop lurking and respond to that one. After enrolling for one of Dean’s DVD courses that he put together for Avanade, I was much amused when he decided to spice things up (whether that was for his sake or ours I’m not sure) by switching accents mid-discussion. This was later followed by him drawing a picture of what the pause button looks like to really help us along J. The English accent was obviously there and I believe that Scottish and a few others were attempted, but Australian was, regretfully, not. Hearing foreigners trying to mimic our accent (1) always amuses me. Perhaps next time Dean?? (1) and our vocabulary…at least the vocabulary that you see on TV. I’ve yet to see an Australian actually wrestle a crocodile and exclaim ‘crikey…she’s a little beauty isn’t she’ but perhaps I’ve led a sheltered existence. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean WellsSent: 02 August 2005 16:48To: Send - AD mailing listSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job ... cheeky [EMAIL PROTECTED]&[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@! --Dean WellsMSEtechnology* Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:59 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I didn't hear you but I actually saw this message. :o) How could you even make up mean and nasty things about me? If you are going to say bad things, at least use a British accent. Or that Australian Accent that Dean uses. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:24 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your right hand ;) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
I'd be really disappointed if I lived in Australia and didn't hear that phrase at least once a week! Extra points for finding a way to fit that phrase into conversation while at work. Phil On 8/2/05, Katherine Coombs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OK well I'm going to have to stop lurking and respond to that one. > > > > After enrolling for one of Dean's DVD courses that he put together for > Avanade, I was much amused when he decided to spice things up (whether that > was for his sake or ours I'm not sure) by switching accents mid-discussion. > This was later followed by him drawing a picture of what the pause button > looks like to really help us along J. The English accent was obviously > there and I believe that Scottish and a few others were attempted, but > Australian was, regretfully, not. Hearing foreigners trying to mimic our > accent (1) always amuses me. Perhaps next time Dean?? > > > > > > (1) and our vocabulary…at least the vocabulary that you see on TV. I've > yet to see an Australian actually wrestle a crocodile and exclaim > 'crikey…she's a little beauty isn't she' but perhaps I've led a sheltered > existence. > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Dean Wells > Sent: 02 August 2005 16:48 > To: Send - AD mailing list > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > > > ... cheeky [EMAIL PROTECTED]&[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL > PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > Dean Wells > MSEtechnology > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://msetechnology.com > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:59 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > > I didn't hear you but I actually saw this message. :o) > > > > How could you even make up mean and nasty things about me? If you are going > to say bad things, at least use a British accent. Or that Australian Accent > that Dean uses. > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:24 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you > Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? > > > > > > If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your > right hand ;) > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second > response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message OK well I’m going to have to stop lurking and respond to that one. After enrolling for one of Dean’s DVD courses that he put together for Avanade, I was much amused when he decided to spice things up (whether that was for his sake or ours I’m not sure) by switching accents mid-discussion. This was later followed by him drawing a picture of what the pause button looks like to really help us along J. The English accent was obviously there and I believe that Scottish and a few others were attempted, but Australian was, regretfully, not. Hearing foreigners trying to mimic our accent (1) always amuses me. Perhaps next time Dean?? (1) and our vocabulary…at least the vocabulary that you see on TV. I’ve yet to see an Australian actually wrestle a crocodile and exclaim ‘crikey…she’s a little beauty isn’t she’ but perhaps I’ve led a sheltered existence. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Wells Sent: 02 August 2005 16:48 To: Send - AD mailing list Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job ... cheeky [EMAIL PROTECTED]&[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@! -- Dean Wells MSEtechnology * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:59 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I didn't hear you but I actually saw this message. :o) How could you even make up mean and nasty things about me? If you are going to say bad things, at least use a British accent. Or that Australian Accent that Dean uses. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:24 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your right hand ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Ah hahahahahaha ... that's funny ... especially for Joe! -- Dean Wells MSEtechnology * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://msetechnology.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:37 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Not often can you respond to a post with a URL... http://www.shutuplaura.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Laura E. Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:54 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; Send - AD mailing list Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Wait, so we get to talk about Dean AND joe since they can't hear what we're saying? Wow, this is like manna from heaven! ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Dean Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:26 AM > To: Send - AD mailing list > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > It's also the second blank response I've received and I even got that > twice ... Tonyyy! :o) > -- > Dean Wells > MSEtechnology > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://msetechnology.com <http://msetechnology.com/> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second > response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message ... cheeky [EMAIL PROTECTED]&[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@! --Dean WellsMSEtechnology* Email: dwells@msetechnology.comhttp://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:59 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I didn't hear you but I actually saw this message. :o) How could you even make up mean and nasty things about me? If you are going to say bad things, at least use a British accent. Or that Australian Accent that Dean uses. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:24 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your right hand ;) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Not often can you respond to a post with a URL... http://www.shutuplaura.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunter, Laura E. Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:54 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; Send - AD mailing list Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Wait, so we get to talk about Dean AND joe since they can't hear what we're saying? Wow, this is like manna from heaven! ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Dean Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:26 AM > To: Send - AD mailing list > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > It's also the second blank response I've received and I even got that > twice ... Tonyyy! :o) > -- > Dean Wells > MSEtechnology > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://msetechnology.com <http://msetechnology.com/> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second > response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message Same here ... and got dupes of that ... to top it all, my previous reply still hasn't appeared yet (since everyone else ignores me, I see no reason why the list shouldn't as well ;o) --Dean WellsMSEtechnology* Email: dwells@msetechnology.comhttp://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:18 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Interesting. The response from Scott Rachui was blank for me as well as the response from Al on the same topic. However, if I use OWA I see the response fine in my inbox. It seems to be an outlook issue or a retrieving messages from Exchange via POP3 issue... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruston, NeilSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:04 AMTo: 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Al's response looks fine to me, joe. Then again, my response may be blank so you'll never know :) neil -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: 02 August 2005 15:01To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job ==Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml==
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message I didn't hear you but I actually saw this message. :o) How could you even make up mean and nasty things about me? If you are going to say bad things, at least use a British accent. Or that Australian Accent that Dean uses. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:24 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your right hand ;) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Wait, so we get to talk about Dean AND joe since they can't hear what we're saying? Wow, this is like manna from heaven! ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Dean Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:26 AM > To: Send - AD mailing list > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > It's also the second blank response I've received and I even > got that twice ... Tonyyy! :o) > -- > Dean Wells > MSEtechnology > * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://msetechnology.com <http://msetechnology.com/> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is > the second response I have seen to this subject that is > completely empty. > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Blank for me too….. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joe Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:01 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
It's also the second blank response I've received and I even got that twice ... Tonyyy! :o) --Dean WellsMSEtechnology* Email: dwells@msetechnology.comhttp://msetechnology.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message Joe? Can you hear me Joe? If not, is this a good time to talk about you Joe, and say mean and nasty things (made up of course)? If you can hear me, check the headers. If you can't hear me raise your right hand ;) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:01 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message Interesting. The response from Scott Rachui was blank for me as well as the response from Al on the same topic. However, if I use OWA I see the response fine in my inbox. It seems to be an outlook issue or a retrieving messages from Exchange via POP3 issue... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruston, NeilSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:04 AMTo: 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Al's response looks fine to me, joe. Then again, my response may be blank so you'll never know :) neil -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: 02 August 2005 15:01To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job ==Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml==
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
That hasn't happened to me, each of Al's responses I see the message in. Phil On 8/2/05, joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second > response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al > Mulnick > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: Message Al's response looks fine to me, joe. Then again, my response may be blank so you'll never know :) neil -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of joeSent: 02 August 2005 15:01To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job == Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.csfb.com/legal_terms/disclaimer_external_email.shtml ==
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Is something wrong with the list or is it just me? This is the second response I have seen to this subject that is completely empty. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:52 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
If I recall correctly, that is a MCS supported product, vs. Microsoft supported (subtle distinction I know) but it wasn't perfect and had a tenedency to use some crazy lines etc. I don't recall any changes you could make to the product. It is what it is. I believe there were some issues with the way it mapped large environments; I had similar problems in large environments with that tool. Some better ones to use were Ecora's tools (not free), or HP's tools (likely not free either) and so on. Age of Directories was pretty cool, but... I think you'll find this thread was useful a few weeks ago (and I did NOT know Rick had changed jobs. Does this mean non more beer at the MVP summit, Rick? Or can you swing a Seattle gig that week? Drop a note off-line if you get a chance. I'd love to hear about it :) http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir@mail.activedir.org/msg30485.html In an environment that's larger, where the risk of changes affecting availability, I humbly suggest that using an automated tool to diagram would be handy, but certainly redundant as it should be a controlled and known quantity. I suspect you would agree with that Scott. :) From a consulting perspective, it would be EXTREMELY handy to have such a tool in the kit. I've seen folks license Ecora's tools for exactly that purpose, but have not run across others that work as well. I often end up doing it by hand to ensure that I'm familiar and that it looks the way I want to present it to the customer. Not all can be made/ or want to be happy mind you, but that can also be tricky for automated versions of mapping tools. Al -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rachui, Scott Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:00 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job My experience has been that in large environments, the diagrams of the sites and domains doesn't place servers in their sites. They're all over the place, and not in any specific site. Is this a limitation of the tool, or am I not configuring something right when I run the tool? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Renouf Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:59 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job ADMap; it is a tool that will give you a Visio output of some of your AD evironment (Sites, Domains, Trusts etc.). It is a great tool to help you document your AD environment. If you can't find it via Google, drop me a note and I'll get it to you. Phil On 7/26/05, Kern, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > exuse my ignorance, but what is the "AD Mapper Tool" and where can I > get it? Is this a part of Visio? > > Thanks and sorry for being so unaware. > -Original Message- > From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:51 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > One thing we do is a Public Folder system. Each Server gets a PF, and > an email address assigned to the server. I create a subfolder for > alerts. The idea is when I make changes to the server, I will send an > email to the team and cc the server PF in the message. If we are > doing system wide maintenance, I cc the DL that has all the servers. > I also setup alerts for each server to an alert PF. Basic stuff goes > there, like memory, CPU, DISK and network IO issues. The idea is that > we can track these issues and review back if necessary. I want to but > haven't done yet setting up a folder for security alerts on servers. > On the domain, we track the account lockout events. I would like to > eventually implement the security products for AD to tack changes. > > > > Architecture and Account Management proceduresâ¦. I use Visio diagrams, > and the AD Mapper tool and any ITIL templates I can find. > > > > Todd > > > > > > From: Al Mulnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living > document. > Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so > to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's > up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can > also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. > > > > > > My un-asked for $0.04 :) > > > > > > > > > >
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job MS Engineers made a tool for Visio that queries the AD and creates a domain map, site map, and server map for AD. If you contact PSS they should be able to send a copy to you. Not sure what version they are on now. Todd From: Kern, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:57 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job exuse my ignorance, but what is the "AD Mapper Tool" and where can I get it? Is this a part of Visio? Thanks and sorry for being so unaware. -Original Message- From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job One thing we do is a Public Folder system. Each Server gets a PF, and an email address assigned to the server. I create a subfolder for alerts. The idea is when I make changes to the server, I will send an email to the team and cc the server PF in the message. If we are doing system wide maintenance, I cc the DL that has all the servers. I also setup alerts for each server to an alert PF. Basic stuff goes there, like memory, CPU, DISK and network IO issues. The idea is that we can track these issues and review back if necessary. I want to but haven’t done yet setting up a folder for security alerts on servers. On the domain, we track the account lockout events. I would like to eventually implement the security products for AD to tack changes. Architecture and Account Management procedures…. I use Visio diagrams, and the AD Mapper tool and any ITIL templates I can find. Todd From: Al Mulnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living document. Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. My un-asked for $0.04 :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick Kingslan Sent: Mon 7/25/2005 4:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determined by committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those who are going to use) the documents. I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100 different formalized documents. Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decide on a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - let those that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want. (I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people keep and maintain changes and documentation? Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
ADMap; it is a tool that will give you a Visio output of some of your AD evironment (Sites, Domains, Trusts etc.). It is a great tool to help you document your AD environment. If you can't find it via Google, drop me a note and I'll get it to you. Phil On 7/26/05, Kern, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > exuse my ignorance, but what is the "AD Mapper Tool" and where can I get it? > Is this a part of Visio? > > Thanks and sorry for being so unaware. > -Original Message- > From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:51 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > One thing we do is a Public Folder system. Each Server gets a PF, and an > email address assigned to the server. I create a subfolder for alerts. The > idea is when I make changes to the server, I will send an email to the team > and cc the server PF in the message. If we are doing system wide > maintenance, I cc the DL that has all the servers. I also setup alerts for > each server to an alert PF. Basic stuff goes there, like memory, CPU, DISK > and network IO issues. The idea is that we can track these issues and > review back if necessary. I want to but haven't done yet setting up a > folder for security alerts on servers. On the domain, we track the account > lockout events. I would like to eventually implement the security products > for AD to tack changes. > > > > Architecture and Account Management procedures…. I use Visio diagrams, and > the AD Mapper tool and any ITIL templates I can find. > > > > Todd > > > ____ > > > From: Al Mulnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > > > Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living document. > Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so > to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's > up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can > also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. > > > > > > My un-asked for $0.04 :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick > Kingslan > Sent: Mon 7/25/2005 4:56 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > > Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determined > by committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those who > are going to use) the documents. > > I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100 > different formalized documents. > > Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decide > on a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - let > those that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want. > > (I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...) > > Rick > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Kern, Tom > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job > > Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people > keep and maintain changes and documentation? > > Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? > > > Thanks > -- > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job exuse my ignorance, but what is the "AD Mapper Tool" and where can I get it? Is this a part of Visio? Thanks and sorry for being so unaware. -Original Message-From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:51 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job One thing we do is a Public Folder system. Each Server gets a PF, and an email address assigned to the server. I create a subfolder for alerts. The idea is when I make changes to the server, I will send an email to the team and cc the server PF in the message. If we are doing system wide maintenance, I cc the DL that has all the servers. I also setup alerts for each server to an alert PF. Basic stuff goes there, like memory, CPU, DISK and network IO issues. The idea is that we can track these issues and review back if necessary. I want to but haven’t done yet setting up a folder for security alerts on servers. On the domain, we track the account lockout events. I would like to eventually implement the security products for AD to tack changes. Architecture and Account Management procedures…. I use Visio diagrams, and the AD Mapper tool and any ITIL templates I can find. Todd From: Al Mulnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living document. Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. My un-asked for $0.04 :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick KingslanSent: Mon 7/25/2005 4:56 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determinedby committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those whoare going to use) the documents.I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100different formalized documents.Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decideon a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - letthose that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want.(I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...)Rick-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kern, TomSent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new jobAside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way peoplekeep and maintain changes and documentation?Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually?Thanks--Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net)List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job One thing we do is a Public Folder system. Each Server gets a PF, and an email address assigned to the server. I create a subfolder for alerts. The idea is when I make changes to the server, I will send an email to the team and cc the server PF in the message. If we are doing system wide maintenance, I cc the DL that has all the servers. I also setup alerts for each server to an alert PF. Basic stuff goes there, like memory, CPU, DISK and network IO issues. The idea is that we can track these issues and review back if necessary. I want to but haven’t done yet setting up a folder for security alerts on servers. On the domain, we track the account lockout events. I would like to eventually implement the security products for AD to tack changes. Architecture and Account Management procedures…. I use Visio diagrams, and the AD Mapper tool and any ITIL templates I can find. Todd From: Al Mulnick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:38 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living document. Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. My un-asked for $0.04 :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick Kingslan Sent: Mon 7/25/2005 4:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determined by committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those who are going to use) the documents. I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100 different formalized documents. Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decide on a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - let those that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want. (I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people keep and maintain changes and documentation? Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Great advice as usual. It's a usually thought of as a living document. Considering you have nothing today, it's best to start the ball rolling (so to speak) and get the basics in there. Just like a political office, it's up to the next person to decide what to do with it. In this case, they can also decide on additional content and formatting as needed. My un-asked for $0.04 :) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Rick Kingslan Sent: Mon 7/25/2005 4:56 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determined by committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those who are going to use) the documents. I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100 different formalized documents. Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decide on a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - let those that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want. (I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people keep and maintain changes and documentation? Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ <>
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Processes and procedures are normally pretty formalized and are determined by committee (by those that are going to have to use and manage those who are going to use) the documents. I would say that if you poll 100 companies, you are going to get 100 different formalized documents. Given that you have nothing, and time is getting shorter by the day, decide on a format that you like, and produce. You've provided the info - let those that come behind you 'formalize' it in the format that they want. (I suspect it won't be changed, and you will be setting the standard...) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people keep and maintain changes and documentation? Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Aside from notes and drafts and config dumps, is there any formal way people keep and maintain changes and documentation? Or is this all done "on the fly" kinda thing usually? Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Great answer. Why is perfect. That can tell you far more than anything else. Also if there is something specific you avoid put that in as well. Overall, this is something that should be done on a running basis even if it is just emails in your drafts folder that you try to update informally. Also consider you could win the LOTTO or get tossed under a bus at any time so having something in place at all times is very very good procedure. Also consider others that you work with and whether they are doing it as well because you could be stuck taking care of their stuff as well. When I was at the widget factory in the various divisions, anytime I sent a note on something we were doing to update people, I always tried to incorporate the why's and some alternate ways and why they weren't chosen. I know for a fact that those emails were and are used after I was gone as reference. People always complained about my long notes but after I was gone, I got notes of thanks for those long notes. As Phil indicated, documenting current settings of everything is good, anywhere where you know they deviate from default/standard, highlight and put a little explanation of why again. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Monday, July 25, 2005 3:17 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job The biggest one that comes to mind is to write it with the idea that the person who reads won't be familiar with the company. By that I mean that you may want to write WHY vs. what because the next person should know the technical bits else know where to look, but nobody but you can know why it was set up that way. I see that as the biggest value you can provide. Some daily tasks would be helpful as well I'm sure. Al From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kern, TomSent: Mon 7/25/2005 3:05 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job speaking of planning for the future-I'd like to plan for the past first.does anyone know of good examples for documenting your stuff when leaving a company?since i'm taking the job, i want to document all my changes and configs for my soon to be previous employer so they're not left high and dry.This includes not only AD/Exchange but cisco router and switch configs, DR testing, Linux Postfix/BIND server,etc.My current(old) company wasn't big on documentation when i was working for them but i don't want to see them screwed. I want to leave them something they can work with and that makes sense.However, no one here really understands AD,linux,cisco,etc. I'd like it written so even a manager can read it. Or at least an outside consultanti know its a lot to ask for but do you know any tips for writing such a doc?thanks-Original Message-From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:29 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new jobSince I work for the Government, I am all about not taking risk with myemployment :)Since you are going to be entering into a sticky situation, I would askmyself the following questions.Why does the company want to cut their ties with outsourcer? Are theyunhappy with the SLA? Is it costing too much? Are they willing to take onthe additional cost for running their own exchange correctly (Virus walls,SAN, Solid Hardware platform, good backup). I would be concerned if acompany was going to do it on the cheap. What happens if the outsourcerssabotage your efforts, will it reflect poorly on you? What is the jobmarket like in your area?Since your long term employment opportunity is probably going to be based onyour ability to successfully migrate their infrastructure back to thecompany, you might want to try a couple dry runs in your lab to see if youcan easily do it. If it was me, I would prefer to start over from scratch,and just migrate the accounts and Exchange data into my new infrastructure.There are some really good third-party tools to assist you in doing this. Iam not clear if the environment is on the company's site, or at theoutsourcer's site. There are a lot of details there that you might want tolook into before getting involved.All the things you pointed out are easily learned. Doing AD today is a loteasier, then it was back in 2000 when it came out. RIS, and unattendedinstalls are really well documented on the net. So don't sweat that stuff.For the most part the hard part (Not really hard, just requires planning.)is setting up the AD in the first place, and then getting the exchangeenvironment configured in a secure fashion. (Front End/ Backend, virusgateways, backups, etc./Psycho Babble OnOn the psychological front.Couple of books I recommend on relationships. (Hey you put it in theresponse so I will just
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
On 7/25/05, Al Mulnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The biggest one that comes to mind is to write it with the idea that the > person who reads won't be familiar with the company. By that I mean that you > may want to write WHY vs. what because the next person should know the > technical bits else know where to look, but nobody but you can know why it > was set up that way. I see that as the biggest value you can provide. > > Some daily tasks would be helpful as well I'm sure. > > Al I'd also drump the configs of the systems so that there is some documentation of all the technical bits that people can refer to. Use tools like ADMAP, GPMC for AD etc. For the cisco gear just grabbing the config files should be good. That technical detail along with a simply written explanation document should be a good start for whoever takes over. Don't over commit yourself on the documentation when leaving as I am sure that if you are the only tech there there will be a lot of little things you'll end up doing to clear your plate before you leave. If they don't have any documentation currently then clear, simple and concise documents along the lines of what Al mentioned will be a great start for them. Phil List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
The biggest one that comes to mind is to write it with the idea that the person who reads won't be familiar with the company. By that I mean that you may want to write WHY vs. what because the next person should know the technical bits else know where to look, but nobody but you can know why it was set up that way. I see that as the biggest value you can provide. Some daily tasks would be helpful as well I'm sure. Al From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Kern, Tom Sent: Mon 7/25/2005 3:05 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job speaking of planning for the future- I'd like to plan for the past first. does anyone know of good examples for documenting your stuff when leaving a company? since i'm taking the job, i want to document all my changes and configs for my soon to be previous employer so they're not left high and dry. This includes not only AD/Exchange but cisco router and switch configs, DR testing, Linux Postfix/BIND server,etc. My current(old) company wasn't big on documentation when i was working for them but i don't want to see them screwed. I want to leave them something they can work with and that makes sense. However, no one here really understands AD,linux,cisco,etc. I'd like it written so even a manager can read it. Or at least an outside consultant i know its a lot to ask for but do you know any tips for writing such a doc? thanks -Original Message- From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:29 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Since I work for the Government, I am all about not taking risk with my employment :) Since you are going to be entering into a sticky situation, I would ask myself the following questions. Why does the company want to cut their ties with outsourcer? Are they unhappy with the SLA? Is it costing too much? Are they willing to take on the additional cost for running their own exchange correctly (Virus walls, SAN, Solid Hardware platform, good backup). I would be concerned if a company was going to do it on the cheap. What happens if the outsourcers sabotage your efforts, will it reflect poorly on you? What is the job market like in your area? Since your long term employment opportunity is probably going to be based on your ability to successfully migrate their infrastructure back to the company, you might want to try a couple dry runs in your lab to see if you can easily do it. If it was me, I would prefer to start over from scratch, and just migrate the accounts and Exchange data into my new infrastructure. There are some really good third-party tools to assist you in doing this. I am not clear if the environment is on the company's site, or at the outsourcer's site. There are a lot of details there that you might want to look into before getting involved. All the things you pointed out are easily learned. Doing AD today is a lot easier, then it was back in 2000 when it came out. RIS, and unattended installs are really well documented on the net. So don't sweat that stuff. For the most part the hard part (Not really hard, just requires planning.) is setting up the AD in the first place, and then getting the exchange environment configured in a secure fashion. (Front End/ Backend, virus gateways, backups, etc. /Psycho Babble On On the psychological front. Couple of books I recommend on relationships. (Hey you put it in the response so I will just tell you what I know) If you like cognitive approaches to solving problems I recommend Harville Hendricks. I recommend the workbooks more than the books I outlined below, because they tend to ask you lots of questions and explain the themes in digestible doses. If you are in a relationship. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805068953/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you are single http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671734202/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you like behavioral approaches, then I just recommend Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil tends to give formulas and uses a lot of axioms and 10 point strategies, and 7 point keys. For relationships, Dr. Phil says your happiness factor is based on how safe, and alive you feel with your partner in a relationship. Simple, but makes sense. The whole fear thing, well that is just related to security. It is good to have some fear, stops you from trying to be Eval Kanival in Rush Hour, or installing an untested Service Pack in production. Too much fear could be an anxiety disorder. They have a lot of good drugs for that now a days. I recommend a hot tub at the end of the day though. :) Good luck on your new opportunity, I say anything that anything that challenges you to l
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
speaking of planning for the future- I'd like to plan for the past first. does anyone know of good examples for documenting your stuff when leaving a company? since i'm taking the job, i want to document all my changes and configs for my soon to be previous employer so they're not left high and dry. This includes not only AD/Exchange but cisco router and switch configs, DR testing, Linux Postfix/BIND server,etc. My current(old) company wasn't big on documentation when i was working for them but i don't want to see them screwed. I want to leave them something they can work with and that makes sense. However, no one here really understands AD,linux,cisco,etc. I'd like it written so even a manager can read it. Or at least an outside consultant i know its a lot to ask for but do you know any tips for writing such a doc? thanks -Original Message- From: Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 7:29 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Since I work for the Government, I am all about not taking risk with my employment :) Since you are going to be entering into a sticky situation, I would ask myself the following questions. Why does the company want to cut their ties with outsourcer? Are they unhappy with the SLA? Is it costing too much? Are they willing to take on the additional cost for running their own exchange correctly (Virus walls, SAN, Solid Hardware platform, good backup). I would be concerned if a company was going to do it on the cheap. What happens if the outsourcers sabotage your efforts, will it reflect poorly on you? What is the job market like in your area? Since your long term employment opportunity is probably going to be based on your ability to successfully migrate their infrastructure back to the company, you might want to try a couple dry runs in your lab to see if you can easily do it. If it was me, I would prefer to start over from scratch, and just migrate the accounts and Exchange data into my new infrastructure. There are some really good third-party tools to assist you in doing this. I am not clear if the environment is on the company's site, or at the outsourcer's site. There are a lot of details there that you might want to look into before getting involved. All the things you pointed out are easily learned. Doing AD today is a lot easier, then it was back in 2000 when it came out. RIS, and unattended installs are really well documented on the net. So don't sweat that stuff. For the most part the hard part (Not really hard, just requires planning.) is setting up the AD in the first place, and then getting the exchange environment configured in a secure fashion. (Front End/ Backend, virus gateways, backups, etc. /Psycho Babble On On the psychological front. Couple of books I recommend on relationships. (Hey you put it in the response so I will just tell you what I know) If you like cognitive approaches to solving problems I recommend Harville Hendricks. I recommend the workbooks more than the books I outlined below, because they tend to ask you lots of questions and explain the themes in digestible doses. If you are in a relationship. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805068953/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you are single http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671734202/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you like behavioral approaches, then I just recommend Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil tends to give formulas and uses a lot of axioms and 10 point strategies, and 7 point keys. For relationships, Dr. Phil says your happiness factor is based on how safe, and alive you feel with your partner in a relationship. Simple, but makes sense. The whole fear thing, well that is just related to security. It is good to have some fear, stops you from trying to be Eval Kanival in Rush Hour, or installing an untested Service Pack in production. Too much fear could be an anxiety disorder. They have a lot of good drugs for that now a days. I recommend a hot tub at the end of the day though. :) Good luck on your new opportunity, I say anything that anything that challenges you to learn new skills is a good thing. I am learning ESX server now, so I am learning how to do several IT operations in UNIX, it is good for the soul. When I teach classes, I always tell my students that their success in the course is based on two factors. 1. Their wiliness to do the activity they are about to embark on. I usually ask the student to rate this on a scale from 1 to 10, (1 low, 10 high... most say 10) 2 their willingness to accept change. (Same deal, this one is where the number fluctuates) The success factor is the product of the two numbers. So 10*10 = 100%. I know it is trite and unscientific, but it
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Since I work for the Government, I am all about not taking risk with my employment :) Since you are going to be entering into a sticky situation, I would ask myself the following questions. Why does the company want to cut their ties with outsourcer? Are they unhappy with the SLA? Is it costing too much? Are they willing to take on the additional cost for running their own exchange correctly (Virus walls, SAN, Solid Hardware platform, good backup). I would be concerned if a company was going to do it on the cheap. What happens if the outsourcers sabotage your efforts, will it reflect poorly on you? What is the job market like in your area? Since your long term employment opportunity is probably going to be based on your ability to successfully migrate their infrastructure back to the company, you might want to try a couple dry runs in your lab to see if you can easily do it. If it was me, I would prefer to start over from scratch, and just migrate the accounts and Exchange data into my new infrastructure. There are some really good third-party tools to assist you in doing this. I am not clear if the environment is on the company's site, or at the outsourcer's site. There are a lot of details there that you might want to look into before getting involved. All the things you pointed out are easily learned. Doing AD today is a lot easier, then it was back in 2000 when it came out. RIS, and unattended installs are really well documented on the net. So don't sweat that stuff. For the most part the hard part (Not really hard, just requires planning.) is setting up the AD in the first place, and then getting the exchange environment configured in a secure fashion. (Front End/ Backend, virus gateways, backups, etc. /Psycho Babble On On the psychological front. Couple of books I recommend on relationships. (Hey you put it in the response so I will just tell you what I know) If you like cognitive approaches to solving problems I recommend Harville Hendricks. I recommend the workbooks more than the books I outlined below, because they tend to ask you lots of questions and explain the themes in digestible doses. If you are in a relationship. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805068953/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -1/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you are single http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671734202/qid=1122289591/sr=8 -3/ref=pd_bbs_3/104-2228004-9529505?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 If you like behavioral approaches, then I just recommend Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil tends to give formulas and uses a lot of axioms and 10 point strategies, and 7 point keys. For relationships, Dr. Phil says your happiness factor is based on how safe, and alive you feel with your partner in a relationship. Simple, but makes sense. The whole fear thing, well that is just related to security. It is good to have some fear, stops you from trying to be Eval Kanival in Rush Hour, or installing an untested Service Pack in production. Too much fear could be an anxiety disorder. They have a lot of good drugs for that now a days. I recommend a hot tub at the end of the day though. :) Good luck on your new opportunity, I say anything that anything that challenges you to learn new skills is a good thing. I am learning ESX server now, so I am learning how to do several IT operations in UNIX, it is good for the soul. When I teach classes, I always tell my students that their success in the course is based on two factors. 1. Their wiliness to do the activity they are about to embark on. I usually ask the student to rate this on a scale from 1 to 10, (1 low, 10 high... most say 10) 2 their willingness to accept change. (Same deal, this one is where the number fluctuates) The success factor is the product of the two numbers. So 10*10 = 100%. I know it is trite and unscientific, but it does help you quickly assess things if applied correctly, and a good thing to use to develop a strategy. In your situation, if you find yourself spending 80 hours a week to migrate this company's data back home, is it worth it? Cause to me that is one hell of a change in my life, and I like to do more things than just work. /Psycho Babble off -Original Message- From: Kern, Tom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 2:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoir
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom, Again, I completely grok your concerns with the kids and the family. I have the same concerns, but - much like Robert noted, it's a motivator to excel. Now, as to your concerns of losing skill. One, that's up to you. Two, my experience with bigger companies is that you're not going to get your hands dirty on the network anyway. IOW< Network guys do network, Server guys do servers. And, never the two shall meet. Put simply - they aren't going to let you play in their kiddie pool. That's their livelihood and their power trip. Much like yours is going to be Microsoft Server Tech. Pretty much that same is going to go for the Linux/Unix stuff. You'll likely be able to work on integrating the *nix into the Microsoft AD, but you'll not likely be DOING Linux. My suggestion - concentrate on what you're good at. Get depth, then build breadth on other technologies (Microsoft, naturally) that will further allow you to leverage your base. And, look at MOM and SMS - both are super hot right now. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Well, my fears are twofold. There is the fear of the unknown and my own insecurities as to my AD/Exchange knowldge. Also, I have a 2yr old son and another on the way. That makes things doubly scary. If this were 5 yrs ago, I wouldn't think twice about jumping. I wouldn't have even read the handbook. However, thanks to you guys and some inner searching, I've decided to accept the job. Its more money and it gives me finanical and consulting experience to put on a resume. Right now, I've been working for a large liqour distributor which doesn't really excite future employers. Plus I've been there for 3yrs and sometimes I think there is a sucipscion in the IT world if you've been with one employer for too long. My only lingering fear is, I'm nervous that if I do nothing but AD/Exchange(however much I love that stuff), my cisco,linux,etc knowldge will disappear due to lack of use. Is this a legitimate fear? Or is this the deal you have to make? Choose something and try to know it inside/out to the disregard of everything else? I suppose you can only go so far as jack of all trades and master of none? I should choose one or two technologies and study them to the exclusion of all others and just rely on the cisco guy for routing or vlan issues and the linux guy for bind and apache stuf,etc? I don't know. Thanks a lot guys. You were a huge help and I'd be lost without you! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Oh you can have some good at-home Cisco fun without spending that much. Http://house.briandesmond.com/GreenviewNetwork.pdf. A 1700 with a Fast Ethernet interface is good enough to subinterface it and do vlan routing, acl the interfaces, ios firewall (has gotten more firewall-ish in 12.3T), ios vpn, etc. You can get an ADSL WIC for the thing and play with ATM interfaces Use that to terminate your home DSL line if you can figure out the circuit info. Setup NAT too. Only problem with 1700s is they need a crapload of memory to run one of the full featured images. --brian Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:43 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I'm the latter. I have multiple networks running at home. If it weren't for VMware, my wife would throw me and my machines out already :) Before I had my current job about 4 years ago, I was running Netware 5 servers and NDS at home(why, I have no idea). I also have a couple of 1700 and 1900 cisco routers as well. Of course with stuff like Cisco, it gets a little more diffcult as to what you can do at home. Its diffcult and expensive to get access to switches/routers, unless your job has extra laying around they don't mind you using,and you're really limited to what you can emulate. Also, we all know that what you do at home is never an accurate mirror of what you see in the real world. My AD/Exchange servers at home run perfectly and I almost always know what the issue is if they don't. I wish I could say that for all of the jobs I'd worked at. I've seen errors I never even heard of before at work. Still, I see your point. IT is a passion of mine and I'd be screwing around with networks even if my day job was accounting or law. It would just be an expensive hobby then. That's why I always consider myself lucky that my job and source of income is also my hobby. Most people hate their jobs or are at best indifferent. I may not always like or agree with who I work for but I always love the work itself. I should stop worrying and acting so spoiled and appreciate how lucky I am. Thanks a lot!! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
I'm the latter. I have multiple networks running at home. If it weren't for VMware, my wife would throw me and my machines out already :) Before I had my current job about 4 years ago, I was running Netware 5 servers and NDS at home(why, I have no idea). I also have a couple of 1700 and 1900 cisco routers as well. Of course with stuff like Cisco, it gets a little more diffcult as to what you can do at home. Its diffcult and expensive to get access to switches/routers, unless your job has extra laying around they don't mind you using,and you're really limited to what you can emulate. Also, we all know that what you do at home is never an accurate mirror of what you see in the real world. My AD/Exchange servers at home run perfectly and I almost always know what the issue is if they don't. I wish I could say that for all of the jobs I'd worked at. I've seen errors I never even heard of before at work. Still, I see your point. IT is a passion of mine and I'd be screwing around with networks even if my day job was accounting or law. It would just be an expensive hobby then. That's why I always consider myself lucky that my job and source of income is also my hobby. Most people hate their jobs or are at best indifferent. I may not always like or agree with who I work for but I always love the work itself. I should stop worrying and acting so spoiled and appreciate how lucky I am. Thanks a lot!! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
> Is this a legitimate fear? Well I guess it depends. Are you the type that only works on tech stuff when you are at work? Or do you have a full lab set up at home with multiple machines configured to do various things and build it up and tear it down as desired? One isn't better than the other but it will tell you what you can expect will happen with your skills. If you only work on things technical in nature at work, then whatever you do at work will steer what you do and know and learn. This is by far the majority of the IT workers out there. If you work on tech things at home and spin up multiple machines or now a days multiple virtual machines and you have domains that spin up and disappear depending on what day it is or what you are wondering about at the moment, the work you do for a company doesn't impact much what you will be learning and doing at home because that is all up to you. Certainly anything you don't work on or play with regularly will dim to some extent in your memory. It may not go completely away but you certainly won't be as proficient when you are sitting there at the keyboard with it. Me personally, I play with new and cool stuff far more at home than I do at the office. I would easily say most of my knowledge and understanding comes from mocking things up at home and wading into the pubic newsgroups and this list and getting on the various betas for things and playing with the new stuff as it hits. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 3:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Well, my fears are twofold. There is the fear of the unknown and my own insecurities as to my AD/Exchange knowldge. Also, I have a 2yr old son and another on the way. That makes things doubly scary. If this were 5 yrs ago, I wouldn't think twice about jumping. I wouldn't have even read the handbook. However, thanks to you guys and some inner searching, I've decided to accept the job. Its more money and it gives me finanical and consulting experience to put on a resume. Right now, I've been working for a large liqour distributor which doesn't really excite future employers. Plus I've been there for 3yrs and sometimes I think there is a sucipscion in the IT world if you've been with one employer for too long. My only lingering fear is, I'm nervous that if I do nothing but AD/Exchange(however much I love that stuff), my cisco,linux,etc knowldge will disappear due to lack of use. Is this a legitimate fear? Or is this the deal you have to make? Choose something and try to know it inside/out to the disregard of everything else? I suppose you can only go so far as jack of all trades and master of none? I should choose one or two technologies and study them to the exclusion of all others and just rely on the cisco guy for routing or vlan issues and the linux guy for bind and apache stuf,etc? I don't know. Thanks a lot guys. You were a huge help and I'd be lost without you! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom- You'll likely find (at least I did), that moving from a you know everything to a you know only about X position very beneficial. You are now the expert about one technology (AD), but, you've got another guy who is the expert about switching and routing. He will know more than you do about it because he focuses on switching & routing all day. I know way more than I did about firewalls, switches, routers, storage, all that now than before I started at my current gig. Before I was the last stop as far as anything IT, now I just focus on AD & Exchange. When I need some firewall rules, or a vlan, or anything like that, I send the right person a list of my requirements and proposed solution, and I get a reply back detailing whether my solution is good, or how to make it better. This way, I'm learning how the best way to setup the pix for something, or what kind of config the content switch will do best with for whatever. Just standing around the office talking to the folks that specialize in this or that I learn about what they do, and they learn about what I do. So that's my take on your fear of losing knowledge of things. Thanks, Brian Desmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:39 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Well, my fears are twofold. There is the fear of the unknown and my own insecurities as to my AD/Exchange knowldge. Also, I have a 2yr old son and another on the way. That makes things doubly scary. If this were 5 yrs ago, I wouldn't think twice about jumping. I wouldn't have even read the handbook. However, thanks to you guys and some inner searching, I've decided to accept the job. Its more money and it gives me finanical and consulting experience to put on a resume. Right now, I've been working for a large liqour distributor which doesn't really excite future employers. Plus I've been there for 3yrs and sometimes I think there is a sucipscion in the IT world if you've been with one employer for too long. My only lingering fear is, I'm nervous that if I do nothing but AD/Exchange(however much I love that stuff), my cisco,linux,etc knowldge will disappear due to lack of use. Is this a legitimate fear? Or is this the deal you have to make? Choose something and try to know it inside/out to the disregard of everything else? I suppose you can only go so far as jack of all trades and master of none? I should choose one or two technologies and study them to the exclusion of all others and just rely on the cisco guy for routing or vlan issues and the linux guy for bind and apache stuf,etc? I don't know. Thanks a lot guys. You were a huge help and I'd be lost without you! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Well, my fears are twofold. There is the fear of the unknown and my own insecurities as to my AD/Exchange knowldge. Also, I have a 2yr old son and another on the way. That makes things doubly scary. If this were 5 yrs ago, I wouldn't think twice about jumping. I wouldn't have even read the handbook. However, thanks to you guys and some inner searching, I've decided to accept the job. Its more money and it gives me finanical and consulting experience to put on a resume. Right now, I've been working for a large liqour distributor which doesn't really excite future employers. Plus I've been there for 3yrs and sometimes I think there is a sucipscion in the IT world if you've been with one employer for too long. My only lingering fear is, I'm nervous that if I do nothing but AD/Exchange(however much I love that stuff), my cisco,linux,etc knowldge will disappear due to lack of use. Is this a legitimate fear? Or is this the deal you have to make? Choose something and try to know it inside/out to the disregard of everything else? I suppose you can only go so far as jack of all trades and master of none? I should choose one or two technologies and study them to the exclusion of all others and just rely on the cisco guy for routing or vlan issues and the linux guy for bind and apache stuf,etc? I don't know. Thanks a lot guys. You were a huge help and I'd be lost without you! -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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may have to fix everything, in a large company there is no way you can and trying to will simply spread yourself too thin until you can't manage what you are supposed to be taking care of because you are managing everything else. I learned this the hard way as I moved into larger and larger orgs until one of my greatest friends of all time sat me down and explained that character flaw to me. She was quite clear that I can't save the world or even a large company and trying to do so will just kill me. She was really concerned as I took on larger and larger projects and "became" each of them. Basically, at some point you have to trust the others and let them do their job because you can't do all of the jobs. When you move from smaller environments to larger environments, you have to watch out you don't take the "you are responsible for everything working perfectly" mentality with you. On the flip side, once you have done the Enterprise work well (or as a couple of my good MCS friends are wont to say "after we were wrecked for all normal work by doing Enterprise work at the widget company") it is tough to work in smaller environments again because you find it more difficult to look at the overall picture and be responsible for all of it. It is nice that you can say, that isn't my scope or focus. joe P.S. Change control means something very different in an Enterprise company with hundreds of thousands of people distributed globally than it does in a company of less than 1000. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:06 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Tom, Make no mistake - you are experiencing many of the same 'fears' that I am. I have a BIG responsibility as I take on assignments here for Microsoft. The first question that I asked myself is "Am I REALLY good enough?" The first thing that I was told by my boss was "You have some couple hundred to a few thousand folks to call on directly. If that's not good enough - I have a Company of 60,000 that are interested in your success. We aren't going to let you fail." Though that makes me FEEL better, it's still a lot to take in given that I was _THE_ source of knowledge and architecture at my last company. Now, I'm a minnow in a big pond. And, it's really OK. You may not directly have the resources that I have to call on, but WE are still going to be here for you. Good luck - now go get it! :O) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoirment I never had to worry about unattended installs or RIS or security in a real specific way or object attributes and under the hood replications,etc. While I know a lot of this stuff in theory, thanks to books like Inside AD,2nd ed and Robbie Allen's cookbokks and screwing around at home(and sometimes with the live network:) ) We all know that's a far cry from really knowing it. I just hope I'm up to it. Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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Thanks for your support, Robert and Rick. It means quite a lot. You guys are great. Thanks again. P.S.- I've been know to shoot a game or two of pool on the upper east side. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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Sorry to spam you man... Yes, most states have a "right to hire" law which MUST (by LAW) appear somewhere at the place of employment. They are just reminding you of this in your handbook. Also, the fact that it's a consulting firm I figure they would say that anyway so that if things aren't working out they can just say "Thanks, bye!". Keep on trying and you'll be fine...never give up!!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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P.S. I live in NYC as well...do you shoot pool?? Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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That's interesting...I think I got an e-mail from a recruiter about that position. :-) Good luck man!!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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Thank you Tom!!! It's good to see your open-ness...I wish more were as honest as that... That's good stuff Rick! Often people don't bring up these fears due to the misconception that it will make them seem weak. My opinion is quite the opposite. Being afraid isn't a bad thing at all in my mind and if I were to be completely honest I would say that I was quite nervous / scared when I started my position as an RRE (Rapid Response Engineer) here at Microsoftand I loved that fear because it makes me push myself to learn / grow. I don't mean to get all psychological / philosophical but fear is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, motivation in life. Fear of losing something you have or not getting something you want drives us to do some of the strangest things. This fear can drive you over the edge or you can rise to the occasion and try to learn from every situation. I choose the latter. Sure there are times when I think "Am I worthy" or similar fears that there's just too much to learn and not enough lifetime to learn it all in. Some of us try to pretend that we know everything and are never wrong technically and when I come across these people I'm usually chuckling inside because everyone has to know that they cannot possibly know everything and it's rather comical that this simple fact escapes notice by some of these guys / gals. There's always more to learn so just keep on trying and you will be just fine. I actually want to NEVER know everything because there's no point to being alive if I won't be learning from the people, things, situations that surround me. Please don't misunderstand me...I don't ever claim to have everything figured out. I'm on a constant quest for knowledge that I'm hoping will not end until the last breath leaves my body. One simple thing that I tell myself from time to time when faced with something that is extremely difficult or that stretches my technical skills: "Do the best that you can do" As long as you are always trying, you can never fail. Nobody can realistically expect you to do better than trying your best since that's just not possibleand if you're doing your best, then you have no excuses to make for yourself since you're giving everything an honest effort. Sometimes you will not succeed in your efforts. I can't tell you how many times some person or another on the Microsoft team or some mailing list has got me out of jams. That's why we're all here anyway, right. We're network administrators because we want to be there when people have a problem with their computer so we can figure it out. That's been a driving force since I was a child...just to "figure it out". I love that stuff!! Integrity is another attribute that is often overlooked but could not be more important. Never say anything that you know is not true...bla...bla...bla...you know what I'm saying (Never, ever lie about anything...even non-technical stuff). So that's my $0.02 anyway. You know what they say about opinions...everyone has one and they all stink ;-) OK...enough of the non-technical, bleeding-heart stuff...GET THAT SERVER WORKING NOW!!! Have a great night / morning (depending on your time zone)!! Robert Williams, MCSE NT4/2K/2K3, Security+ Infrastructure Rapid Response Engineer Northeast Region Microsoft Corporation Global Solutions Support Center -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 11:06 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Tom, Make no mistake - you are experiencing many of the same 'fears' that I am. I have a BIG responsibility as I take on assignments here for Microsoft. The first question that I asked myself is "Am I REALLY good enough?" The first thing that I was told by my boss was "You have some couple hundred to a few thousand folks to call on directly. If that's not good enough - I have a Company of 60,000 that are interested in your success. We aren't going to let you fail." Though that makes me FEEL better, it's still a lot to take in given that I was _THE_ source of knowledge and architecture at my last company. Now, I'm a minnow in a big pond. And, it's really OK. You may not directly have the resources that I have to call on, but WE are still going to be here for you. Good luck - now go get it! :O) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a
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Tom, Make no mistake - you are experiencing many of the same 'fears' that I am. I have a BIG responsibility as I take on assignments here for Microsoft. The first question that I asked myself is "Am I REALLY good enough?" The first thing that I was told by my boss was "You have some couple hundred to a few thousand folks to call on directly. If that's not good enough - I have a Company of 60,000 that are interested in your success. We aren't going to let you fail." Though that makes me FEEL better, it's still a lot to take in given that I was _THE_ source of knowledge and architecture at my last company. Now, I'm a minnow in a big pond. And, it's really OK. You may not directly have the resources that I have to call on, but WE are still going to be here for you. Good luck - now go get it! :O) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:40 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: new job Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoirment I never had to worry about unattended installs or RIS or security in a real specific way or object attributes and under the hood replications,etc. While I know a lot of this stuff in theory, thanks to books like Inside AD,2nd ed and Robbie Allen's cookbokks and screwing around at home(and sometimes with the live network:) ) We all know that's a far cry from really knowing it. I just hope I'm up to it. Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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Thanks for all your replies. This really helps. As I told Al offlist, I'm gonna start asking you guys for relationship advice. Also as Al pointed out,I'm most def a generalist. I'm the only engineer at my current job with 400 users. I do the DNS(Win and BIND) as well as the routers/switches,firewall,AV,DR,wan links,Blackberry server!on top of AD/Exchange. Pretty much everything but help desk. I'm a jack of all trades and master of none. My fear is that I hope I'm up to the AD/Exchange. In my current ebvoirment I never had to worry about unattended installs or RIS or security in a real specific way or object attributes and under the hood replications,etc. While I know a lot of this stuff in theory, thanks to books like Inside AD,2nd ed and Robbie Allen's cookbokks and screwing around at home(and sometimes with the live network:) ) We all know that's a far cry from really knowing it. I just hope I'm up to it. Thanks -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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Title: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I would tend to agree. I like big companies. The politics tend to be a bit more tricky but as Al mentioned, you get to focus on the tech that you work on. For instance, I loved running AD but not being responsible for DNS or clients. DNS and clients have never spun my propeller. You do have to get along well with the other groups like DNS and Network or else your life can be a bit trying. I feel the ideas that are thought up during problem times are more interesting as well because you have a lot of people with very divergent opinions and outlooks. I definitely agree on the management styles in a financial org. Also the IT department always seems to report up through accounting in a financial environment. Those guys are happy with Excel on Win3.1. Hard to convince them that you need Vista for easier management or whatever. The insourcing after outsourcing doesn't bother me so much. It seems a lot of companies like to outsource thinking it will save money, then a few years later they realize they have lost control of their environment and no one really knows how it works anymore. That or the cost is more substantial than they figured because work that might have been a subjob of someone before is now being charged for at real dollars or pounds or whatever. Many companies can't figure out if they want to maintain a staff of well trained people to take care of the IT needs, flip flopping on that decision also impacts the outsource/insource ping pong. The one good thing about jumping to outsourcing and then later outsourcing to another vendor or insourcing is that you tend to take good strong looks at what you have. If you don't go through exercises like that there is a good chance you haven't the foggiest clue what some of those machines in the datacenter are doing. During the outsource I worked on we identified probably 20 servers in the main US Data Center that didn't seem to be running anything but the OS. That is a lot of waste. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al MulnickSent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 1:06 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job As usual, that's a great description Joe. I think Rick had a great sense about it as well. I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the reqs for this company you're talking about. Looks like an interesting challenge and one that would be hard to pass up. One of the things that strikes me is the size and how they may want to have somebody who knows both AD and Exchange in a large organization to the degree they'd like. That's not a small task as anyone (Joe?) that's worked a large organization can tell you. Some of the larger companies will have dedicated staff for silly things like name servers. Each company is different but the larger and more complex the company, the more likely that you'll have to focus in on a technology as a specialist more than a generalist as you may be currently accustomed. Oh, you'll still need to know that other stuff, but it won't be your daily bread and butter and you'll have to learn to rely on teammates to get things done that today you consider simple. Personally? I absolutely LOVE large companies. The bigger the better. 1 million consumers of the service and a team of rowdy technical folks in 15 countries? Lets go! I love that kind of challenge. Being a generalist is not my favorite compared to that challenge. "normal" ?? I'm not sure what your definition of normal is. Mine is that I'm normal and the rest of the world's population is weird. Not sure that fits your definition, but I suspect your perspective may be different. Financial institutions are a funny lot. I've found that when it comes to technology, they don't tend to attract the best management styles. There are exceptions, but I have to say if they made a deal to outsource and now want to insource with different people, I'm a bit cautious of the culture that led to that decision. That's me though. In the end, I'd say that the challenge is well worth it if you want to further your career. Always looks good when you can say you've run a shop that serviced 250K users. In fact, I'm jealous of the opportunity. Hope it works out, Tom. :) My $0.04 anyway. Feel free to ping off-line if you would like any further thoughts. I haven't been keeping up with this list like I should... Al From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joeSent: Sat 7/23/2005 11:02 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job "At will" is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. Ihave had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was theremultiple years without an issue. It al
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Tom, I'll address the satement in the handbook. I'd be concerned if it was stated that matter-of-factly. My experience is that most companies approach your status with them as "at-will" work ethic. At-Will simply means that there is no implied guarantee that the company has to maintain you (IOW - there is no contract that implies you will be employed for 5 years, at which time we will re-negotiate). The other way that you can look at is like this - the reverse applies for you, too. If the work conditions are so heinous, then you aren't bound by that same 5 year contract. You are allowed to give notice and leave. It's very normal for these types of clauses - in all but Union positions. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
As usual, that's a great description Joe. I think Rick had a great sense about it as well. I'm pretty sure I've seen some of the reqs for this company you're talking about. Looks like an interesting challenge and one that would be hard to pass up. One of the things that strikes me is the size and how they may want to have somebody who knows both AD and Exchange in a large organization to the degree they'd like. That's not a small task as anyone (Joe?) that's worked a large organization can tell you. Some of the larger companies will have dedicated staff for silly things like name servers. Each company is different but the larger and more complex the company, the more likely that you'll have to focus in on a technology as a specialist more than a generalist as you may be currently accustomed. Oh, you'll still need to know that other stuff, but it won't be your daily bread and butter and you'll have to learn to rely on teammates to get things done that today you consider simple. Personally? I absolutely LOVE large companies. The bigger the better. 1 million consumers of the service and a team of rowdy technical folks in 15 countries? Lets go! I love that kind of challenge. Being a generalist is not my favorite compared to that challenge. "normal" ?? I'm not sure what your definition of normal is. Mine is that I'm normal and the rest of the world's population is weird. Not sure that fits your definition, but I suspect your perspective may be different. Financial institutions are a funny lot. I've found that when it comes to technology, they don't tend to attract the best management styles. There are exceptions, but I have to say if they made a deal to outsource and now want to insource with different people, I'm a bit cautious of the culture that led to that decision. That's me though. In the end, I'd say that the challenge is well worth it if you want to further your career. Always looks good when you can say you've run a shop that serviced 250K users. In fact, I'm jealous of the opportunity. Hope it works out, Tom. :) My $0.04 anyway. Feel free to ping off-line if you would like any further thoughts. I haven't been keeping up with this list like I should... Al ________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of joe Sent: Sat 7/23/2005 11:02 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job "At will" is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. I have had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was there multiple years without an issue. It allows the company to dump if you if you really really suck or if you just don't "fit in". As for financial work. Expect a lot of focus on rules, regulations, and auditing. One of my previous positions was in the financial division of a very large company and we were independently audited for compliance at least 2 times a year, keep your paperwork in order. Be able to explain everything. Finally I also have experience with boths side of the insource/outsource world. I have been the one in an outside company taking over and doing the work and have been the one on the inside insourcing the work. Insouring, IMO, is harder than outsourcing. With outsourcing, everyone is mostly of the same mind (with the exception of the people whose jobs will not be the same in the company that is outsourcing). When you insource, you have the concerted efforts of the outsource company against you. It shouldn't be that way but they tend to be rather "evil" towards you. Don't much expect to get documentation, etc on how things are done, why, and when. Before you start taking things over, have a good idea of what is there and the general big picture of it all. The insourcing I did (clearly seen on my resume) was to grab back the AD I built when I worked for the company the work was outsourced to previously (that I had worked on the outsourcing of). However I had been out of the loop for 6 months and when I took it back over, though I had a great understanding of what was supposed to be there and how it all fit together, it still took about 18 months to get it all cleaned up to a pristine environment again that I had left behind 6 months previous. The thing I like to tell people, any idiot can screw AD up, it takes a real wizard to go in and find all of the screwed up inconsistent things and correct them. AD (and Exchange) can stumble along with lots of things not right until there are enough not right things to knock it down and then you are in trouble. The goal when going into an environment you didn't build, is trying to find all of the things not right. This involves a lot of careful listening to anyone who mentions any kind of symptom as well as just browsing over the ob
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
"At will" is very standard in the industry, especially for contract work. I have had several jobs that were set up that way and in each I was there multiple years without an issue. It allows the company to dump if you if you really really suck or if you just don't "fit in". As for financial work. Expect a lot of focus on rules, regulations, and auditing. One of my previous positions was in the financial division of a very large company and we were independently audited for compliance at least 2 times a year, keep your paperwork in order. Be able to explain everything. Finally I also have experience with boths side of the insource/outsource world. I have been the one in an outside company taking over and doing the work and have been the one on the inside insourcing the work. Insouring, IMO, is harder than outsourcing. With outsourcing, everyone is mostly of the same mind (with the exception of the people whose jobs will not be the same in the company that is outsourcing). When you insource, you have the concerted efforts of the outsource company against you. It shouldn't be that way but they tend to be rather "evil" towards you. Don't much expect to get documentation, etc on how things are done, why, and when. Before you start taking things over, have a good idea of what is there and the general big picture of it all. The insourcing I did (clearly seen on my resume) was to grab back the AD I built when I worked for the company the work was outsourced to previously (that I had worked on the outsourcing of). However I had been out of the loop for 6 months and when I took it back over, though I had a great understanding of what was supposed to be there and how it all fit together, it still took about 18 months to get it all cleaned up to a pristine environment again that I had left behind 6 months previous. The thing I like to tell people, any idiot can screw AD up, it takes a real wizard to go in and find all of the screwed up inconsistent things and correct them. AD (and Exchange) can stumble along with lots of things not right until there are enough not right things to knock it down and then you are in trouble. The goal when going into an environment you didn't build, is trying to find all of the things not right. This involves a lot of careful listening to anyone who mentions any kind of symptom as well as just browsing over the objects and getting a feel for what is there. Expect to work some pretty heavy hours to get it under control. My recommendation is to make sure the core things are working right up front - AD,FRS replication, and DNS. Then circle out from there. If you find something wrong, put together a script to audit all other locations that same thing could be wrong and anything similar that could be wrong. Lots of luck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: new job
Tom: I work for a credit union, so the rules and reg's financial institutions have to follow are similar. I concern myself with Sarbanes-Oxley and Patriot acts. As for the at will employment clause in the handbook; that is standard, kind of a CYA for the company and you for that matter. Anyway, enjoy the financial world :) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 9:09 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: new job I just got offered a position with a consulting company where I would be consulting full time for a major financial corp in NYC as their AD/Exchange guy. I'm a little nervous and I was wondering if anyone here had experience with big financial corps and IT. Is it very different from doing IT for a "normal" company. Their situation is that they outsourced all their Exchange/AD infrastructure and now they want to take it back and have someone support it full time. As it stands, their relationship is not so hot with the outsourcing firm which is reluctant to give them too much info. In fact I don't think anyone there has Domain or Enterprise Admin access as it stands. Finally, the other thing that makes me nervous is, I'd be working fulltime for the consulting firm(until after 3 months if the finanical corp would want me to join them fulltime, I'd work for them). In the consulting company "handbook" which clearly states is not legally binding, the state in bold letters that they reserve the right to let you go for any reason. That kinda scares me. Is that normal? Are they just covering their butt? Thanks. My apologies for the way OT. -- Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/ List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
