Re: *Real* admin interface (Was: q vol f=g ??!?)

[Stapleton, Mark]

From: Kamp, Bruce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> What might be another alternative is an MMC (Microsoft Management
> Console)

If you'll look *really carefully* at the TSM Management Console for
Windows, you're looking at  an MMC.

All this talk about a "real" admin console leads me to a question: what
is it you want to look at? You want to see how many volumes are
contained in a storage pool? How many scratch tapes are in your library?
How many tape volumes are in pending mode? Sounds to *me* like you need
to be using dsmadmc.

I haven't found a GUI-based admin interface that can hold a candle to
the reliability, speed, and pinpoint control available of the
command-line admin interface. I can run select statements that give me
*exactly* what I want and in the format I want, I can script rapidly and
easily, I can redirect output to text and pipe it to text processors
like Perl, Python, and even lowly awk and sed. Yes, it takes practice,
and it take some typing skill to do it quickly. And, as a Tivoli rep and
I agreed upon, any kind of realtime monitor would do nothing but drag
down the speed of the TSM server for the sake of generating pretty
pictures for the local PHB.
 
--
Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Berbee Information Networks
Office 262.521.5627

Re: *Real* admin interface (Was: q vol f=g ??!?)

[Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,GL-CSC]

Hi, I know buying a 3d party product should not be the alternative. Anyway,
we are very happy with the old dsmadm.exe 3.1.0.8 (old GUI), plus tsmmanager
and/or servergraph !

Best regards,

René LAMBELET
NESTEC  SA
GLOBE - Global Business Excellence
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-Original Message-
From: Sascha Askani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday,22. August 2003 20:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: *Real* admin interface (Was: q vol f=g ??!?)


Oh my, seems like I started a holy war (again) :)

Anyway, thanks for the answers, now I see clear ! I started using TSM with
Version 4.1.x, so I didn't know there once was a "real" GUI for *SM.

Nevertheless, I would REALLY like such a tool cause I don't like the web gui
either.

Greetings,

Sascha

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> Thomas - I share your frustration.  How to get results may require another
>  approach...
> Product such as TSM are Big Bucks, Enterprise products.  As such, they are
> marketed to the level of people in the organization who can authorize such
> expenditures - customer company executives.  Executives respond to
> Enterprise
> issues: competitiveness, saving lots of money, nice reports, trimming
> staff.
> Issues that affect us lowly technicians way down in the company engine
> room,
> where we shovel coal into the company boilers, don't get any exposure or
> attention.  To get such attention, those issues have to get up to a higher
> management level where those managers, whom IBM will respond to, will feed
> the issues to the IBM rep and thus get attention.  You have to expend
> efforts
> to make a written case, understandable to higher-ups, that the current
> product situation is impairing administration and costing the company lost
> productivity, etc.
>
> SHARE is certainly an avenue; but as they say, "Money talks."
>
>   Richard Sims, BU
>