Re: JVM and web admin GUI
Actually, windows update no longer has the Microsoft VM on it as a result of their pending settlement with Sun. So, I just got a new laptop and of course it didn't have the MS VM in it. I finally found it from a third party site. But, the reality is, given that Microsoft will no longer support their own VM environment, that IBM should be working on fixing the command line piece of the server GUI. -Original Message- From: Christian Svensson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: JVM and web admin GUI File: ecblank.gif File: graycol.gif File: pic00450.gif Hi Eric! You can download Microsoft JVM from update.microsoft.com. But JVM is included in Service Pack 1 for XP and in Windows 2000. Do you already have JVM installed from scratch. Best Regard / Med vänlig hälsning Christian Svensson Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Cristie Nordic AB Box 2 Phone : +46-(0)8-718 43 30 SE-131 06 Nacka Mobil : +46-(0)70-325 15 77 SwedeneMail : Christian. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit : Gamla Värmdövägen 4, Plan 2 web : www.cristie.com Cowperthwaite, Eric eric. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: .COMSubject: Re: JVM and web admin GUI Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-17 18:25 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager So, since Microsoft is no longer distributing their VM (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/news/jre.asp) and you can't access both the client and server java applet with the same version of the Sun JVM, it seems that IBM should fix that. -Original Message- From: Christian Svensson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: JVM and web admin GUI File: ecblank.gif File: graycol.gif File: pic13324.gif Hi! The only version i got to work with TSM Admin GUI is ver 1.2.x of Sun JVM. But ver 1.2.x does´nt work with the TSM Java Client. So the only way to get it to work perfect is use the TSM Command Line Client or use the JVM who Microsoft sending out. Best Regard / Med vänlig hälsning Christian Svensson Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Cristie Nordic AB Box 2 Phone : +46-(0)8-718 43 30 SE-131 06 Nacka Mobil : +46-(0)70-325 15 77 SwedeneMail : Christian. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit : Gamla Värmdövägen 4, Plan 2 web : www.cristie.com Mark Ferraretto mark. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: COM Subject: Re: JVM and web admin GUI Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-17 02:22 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I tried Firebird with JVM 1.4 and got the same thing. I then tried a clean build of NT 4 and IE. IE asked me to download
Re: JVM and web admin GUI
So, since Microsoft is no longer distributing their VM (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/news/jre.asp) and you can't access both the client and server java applet with the same version of the Sun JVM, it seems that IBM should fix that. -Original Message- From: Christian Svensson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: JVM and web admin GUI File: ecblank.gif File: graycol.gif File: pic13324.gif Hi! The only version i got to work with TSM Admin GUI is ver 1.2.x of Sun JVM. But ver 1.2.x does´nt work with the TSM Java Client. So the only way to get it to work perfect is use the TSM Command Line Client or use the JVM who Microsoft sending out. Best Regard / Med vänlig hälsning Christian Svensson Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Cristie Nordic AB Box 2 Phone : +46-(0)8-718 43 30 SE-131 06 Nacka Mobil : +46-(0)70-325 15 77 SwedeneMail : Christian. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit : Gamla Värmdövägen 4, Plan 2 web : www.cristie.com Mark Ferraretto mark. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: COM Subject: Re: JVM and web admin GUI Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-06-17 02:22 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I tried Firebird with JVM 1.4 and got the same thing. I then tried a clean build of NT 4 and IE. IE asked me to download java 1.3.1_01. I figure that's because there's something in the applet that tells IE to do this? And it still crashed! I get this: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: COM.ibm.storage.adsm.cadmin.clientgui. DDsmApplet.class Mark -- Mark Ferraretto Unix Systems Administrator Deutsche Bank Hong Kong w: +852 2203 6362m: +852 9558 8032f: +852 2203 6971 [EMAIL PROTECTED] eric.cowperthwait [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EDU Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: JVM and web admin GUI EDU 06/17/03 04:30 AM Please respond to ADSM-L I use Mozilla as my browser and I currently have J2RE 1.4.1_03 installed. I get Java errors with the web admin GUI. What version of the JRE works with TSM 5.1. Eric -- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e- mail is strictly forbidden.
Re: IE 6.1 and command line
If you don't like the current version of Netscape and you don't like Internet Explorer (that would describe me) then use Mozilla (http://www.mozilla.org/) which is a pretty good product and fully compliant with all appropriate standards. -Original Message- From: Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: IE 6.1 and command line Be more specific ! I have been using Netscape 4.7/4.8 for TSM management, since day one. I got tired of the crashes from M$-Internet Exploder ! Now as for Netscape 6/7, yes it sucks ever since it was AOL-ized ! Remeta, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/17/2003 02:44 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: IE 6.1 and command line Netscape suxs! -Original Message- From: Richard Sims [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IE 6.1 and command line Due to 'company standardization', I upgraded my desktop from Win98 to XP, and IE 5.? to 6.1. Now I start the TSM Web GUI pointed to our server (TSM Server Version 4.2.3.1), and show the command line. When the command line shows all I see is a red X, like shows when there is a broken graphic a browser won't show. While your company may have standarized to a level of Microsoft disfunctionality, you may still be free to install Netscape and actually get work done. Just a crazy thought. Richard Sims, BU Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
JVM and web admin GUI
I use Mozilla as my browser and I currently have J2RE 1.4.1_03 installed. I get Java errors with the web admin GUI. What version of the JRE works with TSM 5.1. Eric
Re: SV: overland tape library?
I have been looking at Overland also. Their libraries are very aggressively priced in the midrange storage market against the ADIC and STK libraries. The maintenance prices are certainly better and the scalability is better as well. In my research I found that Sybase uses them in their own data centers and Microsoft uses them in a facility that is used for demonstrating that Unix systems can migrate to Microsoft. There were numerous other organizations using Overland libraries, but I thought I would only mention a couple. I spoke to several references that were provided, without the vendor on the phone call, and found no issues. Several references were using Tivoli with Overland libraries. My reseller was very forthcoming with information, details, quotes, references, site visits, etc. Eric -Original Message- From: Alexander Lazarevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SV: overland tape library? This sounds real good. The Overland Neo 4100 comes with 3 year warranty, 1 year of that with same day on site service. After that I'm pretty sure I can service the thing myself. After the 3 years is up, the maintanance contract, through Overland, is pretty well priced. Thanks for the feedback, Alex --- --- Alex Lazarevich | Systems Administrator | Imaging Technology Group Beckman Institute - University of Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (217)244-1565 | www.itg.uiuc.edu --- --- On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Kjell Svensson wrote: Hi Alexander! I´ve used some older Overlands together with TSM, with no greater difficulties than with other brands. Also I have used a LOT of Cpq/HP MSL-series, both with SDLT and LTO, which is actually the Overland 2000-series and I really, really like it, especially equipped with LTO-drives. The 4000-series is the same machine with a bigger housing, so in my opinion a great machine! One concideration though is the availibility of support for the hardware, a very important issue you´d be wise to check out carefully before deciding. Sometimes the more expensive license-manufactured brands just makes more sence in the long run. -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Alexander Lazarevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: on 2003-03-19 20:23 Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopia: Ämne: overland tape library? Hey, Does anyone use the Overland Storage Neo 4100 or 4200 LTO-1 tape library with TSM 5.1 server? We are upgrading our tape library and our ADSM server (3.1 - 5.1), and are trying to decide what library to get. We've been looking at the IBM 3583-L36 Tape Library, which uses 36 LTO-1 tapes, up to 7TB compressed capacity, with two LTO drives, which is gonna cost about 36K. But I recently found out about Overland storage which sells a product called NEO4100, with 3 LTO-1 drives, 60 tape slots, up to 12TB capacity compressed, which sells for about 30K. So it seems like for 6K less we can get almost twice the capacity, with an extra drive! That extra drive would totally kick butt. But if Overland hardware sucks and breaks and doesn't work well with TSM 5.1, then screw it. Any comments? Thanks in advance! Alex --- --- Alex Lazarevich | Systems Administrator | Imaging Technology Group Beckman Institute - University of Illinois [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (217)244-1565 | www.itg.uiuc.edu --- ---
Re: SunOS 5.8 ?
SunOS 5.8, Solaris 8 and Solaris 2.8 all refer to the same operating system. Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions California Medicaid (Medi-Cal) (916)859-6809 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Shannon Bach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SunOS 5.8 ? I just received a request to install a TSM client for a SunOS 5.8. As I have never had the slightest contact with this type of client server before I don't even know what to look for as far as clients go. When I went and looked at IBM for client requirements I found Sun Solaris 2.6, 7, or 8, but did not see anything for SunOS 5.8. I'm pretty sure in my lack of knowledge that I'm missing something here. Can anyone advise? Thank you, Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Non IBM Libarary for TSM
Find a reseller who carries Overland Data libraries. The primary source of Overland libraries used to be Compaq, but since the HP/Compaq merger they are obviously going to only selling HP libraries. Overland's libraries scale very well in the midrange and are extremely cost competitive compared to HP, IBM, Adic, StorageTek, etc. They have been selling libraries for a long time and have a good track record and a lot of reference customers who use Tivoli. Dell also sells the smaller Adic libraries for a better price than IBM does, so you might consider them as an alternative to IBM. Eric -Original Message- From: Raghu S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Non IBM Libarary for TSM Hi I work on TSM soluion design. Most of the time i see customer unhappy with the price of 3583 LTO. ( I stopped suggesting single drive libraries for TSM ). I found Magstar 3570 MP is a suitable one for medium sized corporates.I have no idea on Non IBM libraries.Can anybody suggest me Non IBM libraries and corresponding URLs ( Should work with TSM as efficient as IBM libraries and cheaper). Thanks in advance Regards Raghu. Richard Foster Richard.Foster@To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HYDRO.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: timeout value for processes Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU 12/18/2002 04:20 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager The Mountwait parameter only specifies how long the process will wait for a tape to be mounted after the process has been allocated the necessary drive(s). If I understand Henrik's question, there doesn't appear to be a parameter which governs how long a process will wait for the tape drives to become available. We just run a script which cancels all Reclaim processes, whether they are active, waiting for tape mounts or waiting for drives. Richard Foster Norsk Hydro mountwait parameter in devclass definition regds Raghu Hi all! Is there a server option or a another why to specify for how long a process will be active? Example, If all drives are busy I might not want reclamation to be pending for hours until two drive becomes available. Henrik.Wahlstedt
Re: Oracle/TDPO/TSM
Oracle and TDPO have to be the same. If you are using Oracle Standard you have to use 32-bit TDPO. If you are using Oracle Enterprise it will depend on whether you installed the 32 or 64 bit version of Oracle. The B/A client doesn't matter, nor does the server, but the API does. Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions Desk - 916-636-1929 Cell - 916-919-6271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL) [mailto:JWholey;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Oracle/TDPO/TSM Do all of these have to be at the same bit code level for TDP for Oracle to work? i.e. all at 32bit or 64bit?
Re: Monitoring oracle Backups
Joe, Our DBA's have their backup scripts send an email with success or failure messages. The sys admins turn on sendmail on the Solaris servers and have it forward to our mail servers. We then build distribution lists in sendmail for the various messaging needs. Here's a sample of the email notification piece of the RMAN scripts. ### # Check for errors returned from RMAN ### if [ $? -gt 0 ]; then opendb CURTIME=`date '+%m-%d-%Y %H:%M'` echo $LogFile echo Oracle full backup failed for instance \${TARGET_SID}\ $LogFile echo due to bad return code from RMAN at \${CURTIME}\ $LogFile mailx -s ${TARGET_SID} full backup failed at: $CURTIME \ rman_backups@sasmcd40 \ /dev/null exit 2 else CURTIME=`date '+%m-%d-%Y %H:%M'` echo $LogFile echo Full backup of instance \${TARGET_SID}\ $LogFile echo completed successfully at \${CURTIME}\ $LogFile mailx -s ${TARGET_SID} full backup succeeded at: $CURTIME \ rman_backups@sasmcd40 \ /dev/null fi Eric Cowperthwaite EDS -Original Message- From: Wholey, Joseph (TGA\MLOL) [mailto:JWholey;EXCHANGE.ML.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Monitoring oracle Backups Recently installed TDP for Oracle. DBA's would like to be paged real time if a database backup fails. Aside from the paging part, does anyone know where I can pull the status of an Oracle database backup as soon as it completes. I don't want to extract from the client logs (when would I start looking?) And the Activity log does not supply all that much useful information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. thx. -joe-
Re: Win2K, Fiber and I/O problem
What seems to have worked is to disable the Win2K drivers and set the TSM driver to BOOT. Why isn't this like UNIX where I can decide what drivers load? When I tried just uninstalling the Win2K drivers the system promptly reinstalled them when the system rebooted. What a pain. Anyhow, we'll monitor the system for the next week or so and see if the problem is resolved. Thanks to Paul and Norbert for the advice. Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions Desk - 916-636-1929 Cell - 916-919-6271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Seay, Paul [mailto:seay_pd;NAPTHEON.COM] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Win2K, Fiber and I/O problem Been there, seen this, solved this. For some reason the TSM Boot ADSMSCSI driver does not pickup the drives first. What you have to do is disable the drives in device manager and reboot. Make sure the ADSMSCSI driver service (BOOT) is setup in the configuration. Otherwise, the drives will not get picked up by TSM. We have seen if you get the (BOOT) driver installed from TSM correctly and delete the drives from device manager the TSM boot driver will pick them up correctly. Our case was Magstar tape drives but the symptoms were exactly the same. Paul D. Seay, Jr. Technical Specialist Naptheon Inc. 757-688-8180 -Original Message- From: Cowperthwaite, Eric [mailto:eric.cowperthwaite;EDS.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Win2K, Fiber and I/O problem I have an interesting problem. One of my TSM servers is running on Win2K Server. The server is connected to a Brocade FC switch and the FC switch is connected to an FC-SCSI bridge. The library is an HP SureStore 6/60 with DLT8000 drives. Every once in a while I get I/O error on a tape drive and the server resets the drive. When it does the drive renames from the TSM Driver name to the NT Driver name (i.e. from mtx.x.x.x to \\..\tape0 \\..\tape0 ). Has anyone else had this sort of problem and what did you do to resolve it? Thanks, Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions Desk - 916-636-1929 Cell - 916-919-6271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:eric.cowperthwaite;eds.com
Win2K, Fiber and I/O problem
I have an interesting problem. One of my TSM servers is running on Win2K Server. The server is connected to a Brocade FC switch and the FC switch is connected to an FC-SCSI bridge. The library is an HP SureStore 6/60 with DLT8000 drives. Every once in a while I get I/O error on a tape drive and the server resets the drive. When it does the drive renames from the TSM Driver name to the NT Driver name (i.e. from mtx.x.x.x to \\..\tape0 \\..\tape0 ). Has anyone else had this sort of problem and what did you do to resolve it? Thanks, Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions Desk - 916-636-1929 Cell - 916-919-6271 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TDP 2.2 with Solaris 64 bit Oracle 32 bit
We have a couple servers running the following: Solaris 2.8 64-bit Oracle 8.1.7, release 3 32-bit TDP 2.2 32-bit In all cases, by installing the latest patch set for TDP we have eliminated all problems and can perform all RMAN functionality. Make sure that you have the correct patch levels for TDP, that you created all symbolic links correctly and so forth. Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions Desk - 916-636-1929 Cell - 916-698-0910 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Chalton, Nicolas (MED, Cap Gemini) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 5:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:TDP 2.2 with Solaris 64 bit Oracle 32 bit Importance: High Hi All, I cannot join the tape media with RMAN. The TDP 2.2 is running on Solaris 2.7 64 bit and Oracle 8.16.3.0 32 bit. I have tried the two Tivoli lib, the one for a 64 bit configuration and the other for a 32 bit configuration. None of them is working. Does anybody run the same configuration ? Thanks for your help. Nicolas.
Re: Disk volumes
I would never use T3 or T3+ for my Solaris 8 TSM servers. T3 is just not a good performer. It's pretty decent for redundancy and availability and lots of disk in a small foot print. I'm using D2 arrays on one of my TSM servers and think the disk throughput is great. We use raw volumes and multiple HBA's and don't have any issues with throughput or being I/O bound. U160 JBOD (like the D2) seems to be a good solution for TSM. Eric Cowperthwaite EDS -Original Message- From: Chetan H. Ravnikar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Disk volumes On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Johnn D. Tan wrote: Ours are SCSI-attached external subsystem (2104). Wow... from 1 MB/min to 20 MB/sec! We are definitely going to investigate raw devices! wait this did not just come from moving to raw volumes, there were more issues. We had the Recover logs on the system disk, which got moved to external SCSI D130s and the striping parameter was tunned to be optimal on the T3+ storge. Again beleive it or not I am looking into JBOD (D2 arrays) for spools and getting better faster speeds than T3+ Cheers.. johnn can I just ask, are these drives external attached on a SCSI array types or internal to the box, (I mean internal bays) depending on the server!? 'cause I have similar situation, when we went into using T3 storage for db and spools. The inherent limitation to configure T3's as raw or JBOD there was as significant slowness in performance. Yes at first we were using filesystems. we saw 1meg a min :( After going to raw disks we saw 20 - 25 MB /sec writes. Which is still way less than what a T3 is advertized to do though (80MB sustained). Oh well may be T3 's were not a right storage for TSM is what I have learnt. Offcourse with 256MB cache and write ahead enabled. I was told that the TSM server uses variable 4 to 64k and the T3 with 64K fixed block size was also the cause for the low performance .. -Chetan On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Johnn D. Tan wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:42:45 -0400 From: Johnn D. Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Disk volumes I have 12 36-GB drives available for spool. Based on recommendations made to this list earlier this year, I went with 12 mirrored disk spools of 16 GB each (keep in mind disk overhead). As I understood it, the issue was you want many spools so that, as Allen mentioned, you can have many threads for backups and even migrations (assuming you have a good number of tape drives). However, you don't want so many spools per disk, otherwise there is contention for head movement on the drive which would result in poorer performance. johnn = On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:54:01 -0400, Mahesh Tailor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hopefully this is a simple question: I have fourteen 36GB drives that are available for the diskpool and I was wondering whether it is better to have seven 5GB files or three 10GB files or one 35GB file or something else? The drives are mounted in two IBM-2014 Ultra-Wide SCSI disk drawers with separate Ultra-Wide contollers. The other 14 drives are used for DB, LOG, and spare. You have a total of 28 spindles, 14 each on two busses, right? I'd suggest making a RAID-5 out of the fourteen free spindles, and then make the individual volumes A reasonable size. What's a reasonable size? Uh... ;) I just did this with a drawer of 36G SSA, and I chose 10G volumes, because I have about a dozen (and growing) disk pools amongst which I need to divide things up. Even if you only have one or two disk pools, it's useful to have more than a few volumes per pool, because instantaneously only on thing can write to a volume at a time. So, for example, if you have 12 clients backing up, and one 70G disk volume, there is contention for the thread controlling that one volume. So calculate the size so that you'll have as many volumes as you feel like keeping track of, but not many more than that. - Allen S. Rout
Re: RAW volumes or not
I run my TSM servers on Solaris 8. I use raw volumes built with Solstice DiskSuite (Solaris Volume Manager in Solaris 9). When I first brought TSM up on Solaris I put my db, logs and disk pools on UFS with logging and the performance was awful. Solaris 8 UFS is actually quite fast for most applications so I was rather surprised at the performance problem. I've never tried TSM using VxFS, I saw no need to. The performance with raw volumes is very good. JFS is not native to Solaris, and I don't know of any way to use JFS on Solaris. If you want a journalled file system use VxFS or UFS with logging. With the improvements in DiskSuite I really can't see much reason to use Veritas. It's costly and for most environments only gives minimal performance improvements. Eric Cowperthwaite EDS Operations Solutions -Original Message- From: Arni Snorri Eggertsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RAW volumes or not Hiya, I've been reading about using RAW volumes for database and diskpool volumes, my impression is that when running AIX and using JFS the benefits are trivial. However I've seen people talking about 200-300% performance increase when running TSM on Solaris. What I am wondering is if anyone has actually done experiments with this on AIX on a real environment, i.e. performance check using JFS on one hand and then RAW volumes on the other? thanks, Arni Snorri Eggertsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TDP for Oracle Expiration
If you are using RMAN and TDPO you need to set the copy group like this: PolicyPolicyMgmt Copy Versions Versions Retain Retain DomainSet Name Class Group Data DataExtraOnly NameName NameExists Deleted Versions Version - - - - --- ORACLEACTIVEORACLESTANDARD 100 30 All deletes should be handled by RMAN, not by TSM. TSM will expire the data once RMAN deletes the backup files. The TDPO manual and RMAN have sample scripts for handling this. Eric -Original Message- From: Zig Zag [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: TDP for Oracle Expiration Chris, I have a DB2 client that wants everything kept for 30 days and nothing more. Here is my copygroup settings/mgmt class assignments. PolicyPolicyMgmt Copy Versions Versions Retain Retain DomainSet Name Class Group Data DataExtraOnly NameName NameExists Deleted Versions Version - - - - --- UDBDOMACTIVEDB2PROD STANDARD 1 0 30 0 The reason I have this set up this way is due to the File naming convention they use. file.dateandtime Look at the file naming convention used and determine what is right for you.. --- Renke, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Backup objects are not expiring. I am using a recovery catalog to track the rman backups. Thanks in advance, Chris Renke Elliot Health System 4 Elliot Way Suite 203 Manchester NH 03103 603-663-7459 [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIX: 4.3.3 TSM 4.1.1 TDP 2.2.1 Oracle 8.1.7 Backup Copy Group: Versions Data Exists 7 Versions Data Deleted 0 Retain Extra Versions 0 Retain Only Version 0 __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com
Re: Solaris Question
Solstice DiskSuite is available for Solaris. The volume management tool in Solaris 9, Solaris Volume Manager, is Solstice DiskSuite renamed. If you install DiskSuite you will be able to more easily manage your disks and volumes. Eric -Original Message- From: Hussein Abdirahman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Solaris Question Hi, Another site that will be very help if you already know AIX and want to compare AIX commands to Solaris is the following. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/aix/products/aixos/whitepapers/aixmapping.html I understand that the latest Solaris version (Solaris 9) has added a good volume management. The versions that are currently in the market usually use a third party software i.e: Veritas. Hope this helps. Hussein M. Abdirahman Toronto-Canada -Original Message- From: Rafael Mendez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 5:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Solaris Question Hi, The following site could help you with all your solaris questions. For me is very useful. www.searchsolaris.com There you can make a simple search. Hope this helps. Rafael Madrid-Spain --- to: Ramnarayan, Sean A [EDS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: date: 8/20/2002 4:16:48 AM subject: Solaris Question Hi I know this question is not based on TSM, but I need some advice on how to increase a filesystem in Solaris Version 7. The filesystem I need to increase is called /usr. I hope someone out there could help me. I am new to Solaris and I was spoilt using AIX. Thks Sean Ramnarayan UNIX/TSM Administrator EDS (South Africa) MMS caltex.com made the following annotations on 08/20/2002 10:12:22 AM -- DISCLAIMER This message may contain confidential information that is legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the parties to whom it is addressed. If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any information in this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. Thank you. == ___ Obtin gratis tu cuenta de correo en StarMedia Email. !Regmstrate hoy mismo!. http://www.starmedia.com/email
Re: TSM and protocol converters
I use StorageTek FC to SCSI bridges (SN3250 usually) to connect my SCSI libraries to my TSM servers. I have done it with both NT and Solaris servers, and had very few issues. The main difference is ensuring you have the FC HBA drivers loaded. The server will see the SCSI library as ... a SCSI library. Eric -Original Message- From: Orville Lantto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: TSM and protocol converters I us the IBM SAN Data Gateway to connect my SCSI LTO drives. Works seamlessly with minimal setup. Orville L. Lantto Datatrend Technologies, Inc. (http://www.datatrend.com) IBM Premier Business Partner 121 Cheshire Lane, Suite 700 Minnetonka, MN 55305 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tab Trepagnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/02 02:00 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:TSM and protocol converters I'm spec'ing a new TSM server. To avoid having to spend a fortune on a huge server just to get the I/O slots I need to support HV Diff SCSI, I'm thinking of using protocol converters to reduce the number of I/O slots in the new server. In other words, the server would provide Fibre Channel or Gigabit E or even LV Diff SCSi but I would connect my existing libraries via their HV Diff SCSI interfaces, with the protocol converter in the middle. Assuming this is technically feasible (and I know there are FC to SCSI converters) would TSM work in such an arrangement? What would change relative to simply plugging in a SCSI cable into the server as I have now? Server is pSeries or RS/6000; TSM is currently 4.1 but the new server would (very soon) enter service at 5.1. Thanks in Advance, Tab Trepagnier TSM Administrator Laitram Corporation
Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST
Ghost will work, if your drives are attached to a SCSI HBA. If they are attached to a RAID HBA you're out of luck. You can't load the RAID HBA drivers at DOS boot time and Ghost won't be able to find your RAID volumes. Eric W. Cowperthwaite Senior Consultant EDS -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:W2K - BMR - using GHOST Has anyone had success using Ghost (or other image software) to: 1) Put an image of W2K onto a server that includes the TSM client. 2) Connect to TSM Server and Restore System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects. I was able to successfully restore the System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects without using Ghost by manually installing W2K and TSM client. It is when I use Ghost to restore the W2k and TSM client that I run into the issue. What happens is that I can successfully restore the System/boot partition (C:) but when I try to restore the System Object, it stops before I get the RESTORE COMPLETE screen. Some of the items are restored, but it is not complete and becomes corrupt. Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST
Marc, The next problem you have, when using Ghost, is the Windows OS SID. Since the System Object relies on the SID I would venture to guess that is the issue. Try running SID Walker? I'm not sure. Or just put all your users on Linux with Codeweaver :-). Eric -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST What we have been doing is creating a container first using the DELL CTRL-A Utility. We then boot off a bootable CD ROM that has the ghost image on it. This image has W2K, TSM Client, and drivers, etc.. that allows us to connect to TSM Server and start the restore. I think this gets around the problem you are talking about??? Do you know what could be causing the system object restore to quit before it completes successfully? Thanks, Marc Cowperthwaite, Eric To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] eric.cowperthwaitcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] EDU 08/14/2002 10:38 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Ghost will work, if your drives are attached to a SCSI HBA. If they are attached to a RAID HBA you're out of luck. You can't load the RAID HBA drivers at DOS boot time and Ghost won't be able to find your RAID volumes. Eric W. Cowperthwaite Senior Consultant EDS -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:W2K - BMR - using GHOST Has anyone had success using Ghost (or other image software) to: 1) Put an image of W2K onto a server that includes the TSM client. 2) Connect to TSM Server and Restore System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects. I was able to successfully restore the System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects without using Ghost by manually installing W2K and TSM client. It is when I use Ghost to restore the W2k and TSM client that I run into the issue. What happens is that I can successfully restore the System/boot partition (C:) but when I try to restore the System Object, it stops before I get the RESTORE COMPLETE screen. Some of the items are restored, but it is not complete and becomes corrupt. Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST
That method should work fine, based on my, admittedly, limited understanding of Win2K domains. I do know that our desktop support unit uses this sort of method with Win2K desktops, ghost and system restores. Eric -Original Message- From: Rob Schroeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST After the install you can just change the server to be a member of a workgroup, then without rebooting, change it back to be a member of the domain. The SID will then be reconciled within AD. If this ghost image is a copy of a server already in production, then you may have to do this to both the clone and the cloned server. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/14/2002 12:18 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager So, the SID in the ghost image has to be the same as the SID in the System Object that TSM has from the backup? (The one that will be restored) I ask because we used Ghost to remove the SID when we created the image. If this is the case, how do I know what the SID is so that I can use the free software to put it back? Thanks! Marc Peter Pijpelink - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.L.C.S. BV cc: Storage Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST Consultants [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU 08/14/2002 12:52 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager You can use a free util which set the SID. We use this a lot, does it work in two second and you are done. email if you like to have, it is freeware greetings Peter At 11:40 14-8-2002 -0500, Cowperthwaite, Eric wrote: Marc, The next problem you have, when using Ghost, is the Windows OS SID. Since the System Object relies on the SID I would venture to guess that is the issue. Try running SID Walker? I'm not sure. Or just put all your users on Linux with Codeweaver :-). Eric -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST What we have been doing is creating a container first using the DELL CTRL-A Utility. We then boot off a bootable CD ROM that has the ghost image on it. This image has W2K, TSM Client, and drivers, etc.. that allows us to connect to TSM Server and start the restore. I think this gets around the problem you are talking about??? Do you know what could be causing the system object restore to quit before it completes successfully? Thanks, Marc Cowperthwaite, Eric To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] eric.cowperthwaitcc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: W2K - BMR - using GHOST Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] EDU 08/14/2002 10:38 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Ghost will work, if your drives are attached to a SCSI HBA. If they are attached to a RAID HBA you're out of luck. You can't load the RAID HBA drivers at DOS boot time and Ghost won't be able to find your RAID volumes. Eric W. Cowperthwaite Senior Consultant EDS -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:W2K - BMR - using GHOST Has anyone had success using Ghost (or other image software) to: 1) Put an image of W2K onto a server that includes the TSM client. 2) Connect to TSM Server and Restore System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects. I was able to successfully restore the System/boot partition (C:) and System Objects without using Ghost by manually
Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data
David, Do you have some RMAN scripts you could share as samples. My DBA's, who are used to NetBackup, are struggling with this right now. Thanks, -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data I don't think the TDPOSYNC is for regular deletes. That's used only for cases where the RMAN catalog doesn't have the file/object anymore but TSM server still does. (RMAN doesn't use good handshaking and therefore gets in this condition). The TDPOSYNC is used to display a list of files in this condition for you to manually delete. The normal deletes are done by RMAN scripts. David Longo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/08/02 02:52PM Thanks Eric! That is exactly what I needed. My question now is whether anyone has this process automated. Can I have the client or the server automate the process to expire the backups? Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Cowperthwaite, EricTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] eric.cowperthwaicc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 07/31/2002 04:12 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Once the objects are deleted in RMAN, then you will need to run a TDPOSYNC tdposync syncdb -tdpo_optfile=[optfile name] and that will sync the RMAN catalog and TSM database and expire the files on your TSM Server Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS -Original Message- From: Holger Speh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data Theresa, all Oracle backup objects are unique so there won't be any inactive versions which you can expire via TSM. You have to expire them manually with an RMAN script doing a RMAN report obsolete first to find all no longer needed Oracle backups and them doing a RMAN delete on these objects. Mit freundlichen Grüssen / With kind regards, Holger Speh http://www.ibm.com/ IBM Global Services - Integrated Technology Services Mobil: +49 (0)172 / 6365603 Fax: +49 (0)5341 / 892803 Notes: Holger Speh/Germany/IBM@IBMDE email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theresa Sarver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31.07.2002 18:39 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Expiring TDP for Oracle data Hello; I've been searching the archives on this subject all morning and I just want to double-check my findings. Environment: SP Model 9076 (1 Frame w/ 7 nodes) AIX 4.3.3 ML8 P.S.S.P 3.2 ptfset 8 TSM 4.1.5 ORACLE 8.1.7/RMAN TDP for Oracle v2.1.1 (I think?) The DBA's have only been using TDP/RMAN for a few months now and around July 10 they decided to start exprining some old backups. I noticed yesterday, that the copy group had been setup improperly for TDP_Oracle: STANDARD ACTIVERMANCLASS STANDARD 11 0 1 STANDARD STANDARD RMANCLASS STANDARD 110 1 I modified the appropriate parameters last night (using TDP for Ocacle Admin Guide) and think it's right now: STANDARD ACTIVERMANCLASS STANDARD 100 0 STANDARD STANDARD RMANCLASS STANDARD 100 0 I ran 'expire inventory' shortly thereafter, this however did not remove any of the inactive databases: /adsmorc : // cold_TESTR_1631_270302_22_1 (MC: DEFAULT) Inactive, Inserted 03/27/02 16:32:19, Deactivated 07/10/02 15:18:10 ObjId: 0.58797993 So, from what I've read I have 3 options: 1) run some delete object 0 xx command (Could someone please provide me with any further information on this command?) 2) Create a new filespace, then delete the old one after several days 3) Using a TDPOSYNC command...depending on version. Anyone know if 2.1.1 supports the use of this command? - Can't find any reference in the TDP for Oracle Manuel. Thanks 'yet again' for your help; Theresa (See attached file: image001.gif) MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 08/08/2002 05:04:34 PM -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all
Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data
Once the objects are deleted in RMAN, then you will need to run a TDPOSYNC tdposync syncdb -tdpo_optfile=[optfile name] and that will sync the RMAN catalog and TSM database and expire the files on your TSM Server Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS -Original Message- From: Holger Speh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Expiring TDP for Oracle data Theresa, all Oracle backup objects are unique so there won't be any inactive versions which you can expire via TSM. You have to expire them manually with an RMAN script doing a RMAN report obsolete first to find all no longer needed Oracle backups and them doing a RMAN delete on these objects. Mit freundlichen Grssen / With kind regards, Holger Speh http://www.ibm.com/ IBM Global Services - Integrated Technology Services Mobil: +49 (0)172 / 6365603 Fax: +49 (0)5341 / 892803 Notes: Holger Speh/Germany/IBM@IBMDE email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Theresa Sarver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31.07.2002 18:39 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Expiring TDP for Oracle data Hello; I've been searching the archives on this subject all morning and I just want to double-check my findings. Environment: SP Model 9076 (1 Frame w/ 7 nodes) AIX 4.3.3 ML8 P.S.S.P 3.2 ptfset 8 TSM 4.1.5 ORACLE 8.1.7/RMAN TDP for Oracle v2.1.1 (I think?) The DBA's have only been using TDP/RMAN for a few months now and around July 10 they decided to start exprining some old backups. I noticed yesterday, that the copy group had been setup improperly for TDP_Oracle: STANDARD ACTIVERMANCLASS STANDARD 11 0 1 STANDARD STANDARD RMANCLASS STANDARD 110 1 I modified the appropriate parameters last night (using TDP for Ocacle Admin Guide) and think it's right now: STANDARD ACTIVERMANCLASS STANDARD 100 0 STANDARD STANDARD RMANCLASS STANDARD 100 0 I ran 'expire inventory' shortly thereafter, this however did not remove any of the inactive databases: /adsmorc : // cold_TESTR_1631_270302_22_1 (MC: DEFAULT) Inactive, Inserted 03/27/02 16:32:19, Deactivated 07/10/02 15:18:10 ObjId: 0.58797993 So, from what I've read I have 3 options: 1) run some delete object 0 xx command (Could someone please provide me with any further information on this command?) 2) Create a new filespace, then delete the old one after several days 3) Using a TDPOSYNC command...depending on version. Anyone know if 2.1.1 supports the use of this command? - Can't find any reference in the TDP for Oracle Manuel. Thanks 'yet again' for your help; Theresa image001.gif Description: GIF image
TDPOSYNC and RMAN cleanup
Our environment is: TSM 4.2.1.9 Server TSM 4.2.1.28 client on Solaris 8 TDPO 2.2.0.2 on Solaris 8 Oracle 8.1.7.3 on Solaris 8 We use RMAN/TDPO for Oracle backups. Oracle policy domain is created correctly versions retained and deleted. My question is, could someone with a similar environment share Oracle scripts used for RMAN cleanup and scripts used for TDPOSYNC? Thanks, Eric W. Cowperthwaite EDS
Re: sun equivilent of rmdev/mkdev
It's actually devfsadm unless you are still on Solaris 2.6. See the man page for proper usage. Eric W. Cowperthwaite [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Justin Bleistein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 7:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: sun equivilent of rmdev/mkdev I believe it's tapes Jim Healy James.Healy@AXA-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TECH.COMcc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: sun equivilent of rmdev/mkdev Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 07/16/2002 10:30 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager We've just ugraded the microcode on som of our 3590 drives and we're experienceing really slow performance on our Sun Servers. Can anyone tell me the Sun equivilent of the rmdev mkdev commands?
FC-SCSI Bridge issues
Has anyone seen something similar and have any ideas? Our configuration is: Dell Server with Qlogic 2200F HBA, Win2K SP2, TSM 4.2.1.9 Ancor SANBox 16 FC switch STK 3250 FC-SCSI Bridge Sun StorEdge L60 DLT8000 Library (4 drives) The switch is zoned so that only the TSM server and the bridge are in one zone. TSM hard drives are also on the SAN, but in a separate zone. Everything works fine normally. But occasionally we receive SCSI errors from adsmscsi and lose connectivity to the tape drives. Once that happens the only apparent solution is to restart the bridge and the TSM server. Any thoughts/ideas/input would be appreciated. This typically happens during large TDPO backups. Unfortunately it means we have not had a good backup of a large data mart in this network in the past month. I'm ready to bag the fiber connections and go back to SCSI on this subsystem. Eric Cowperthwaite Senior System Administrator - Infrastructure EDS Business Process Management
Re: Rman/TSm
With TDP for Oracle you set a parameter called DSMO_AVG_SIZE. Every time a file is sent to TSM that parameter is used to allocate space in the storage pool. The real file size is not allocated until the entire file is written to TSM. This action occurs for every channel allocated. So, if you are allocating 4 channels with a DSMO_AVG_SIZE parm of 1024 MB, every time RMAN sends a file each channel allocates 1024 MB in your storage pool. This can't automatically migrate into your next storage pool. If you are running your TDP backups to disk first you need to tune DSMO_AVG_SIZE to be close to the average for your database files, the number of channels used and the migration thresholds for your disk storage pools. Thanks, Eric -Original Message- From: Ike Hunley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Rman/TSm Question: When an object is passed via TDP to TSM for backup, does the defined storage pool in TSM have to have enough space to backup the entire object? If the storage pool has 20GB defined, but the object is 45GB, won't the backup spill over to the storage pool specified in the next storage pool? -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Malbrough, Demetrius Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Rman/TSm Mark, This is from the TDP for Oracle manual! RMAN generates unique backup file names. Because all backup objects inserted into the TSM backup storage pool have unique file names, they never expire on the TSM server. As a result, TDP for Oracle requires these special TSM policy domain settings: Backup Copy Group Values TDP for Oracle provides a delete function to remove unwanted backup objects from the TSM server. However, for the delete function to work, the following backup copy group parameters must be set: 6VERDELETED=0 6RETONLY=0 Then, when TDP for Oracle marks a backup object inactive, that object is deleted from the TSM server the next time expiration processing occurs. A backup object is marked inactive when you delete it through the TDP for Oracle interface. Notes: 1. The TSM administrator must also register your node by specifying BACKDELETE=YES in order for backup objects to be deleted. Regards, Demetrius Malbrough UNIX/TSM Administrator -Original Message- From: Mark Hayden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Rman/TSm Hi all, we have a problem in regard to expiring data after Rman has deleted the data. We have taken the retention values down to 1 version with the RETONLY and VERDELETED to 0. When we do a select statement, they do show inactive, but are not expiring.Do I have a TSM DB problem, or is there something else I'm missing Thanks for your help! Thanks, Mark Hayden Informations Systems Analyst E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]