Re: Who has the oldest TSM installation?
Server Installation Date/Time: 08/22/410 B.C. 00:10:05 Server Restart Date/Time: 07/10/2005 08:52:00 YES, that's right 410 B.C. We were one of the early beta sites for what was then call UGH. It was very popular in all of the cave data centers where backup and recovery of mission critical data was very important. It was especially important for publicly held companies to comply with the ROX legislation. I remember the UGH admin at the time was Nean DerThal...he sure was sharp. He was the guy everybody went to whenever they needed to recover a stone tablet. Thanks for the trip down memory lane..:) Dave There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't ... and remember. Hardware will eventually fail ... and ... microcode will eventually work.
Windows Server 2003 RESTORE PROBLEM ANS4005E
TSM Server AIX 5.2.4.0 / AIX 5.3 TSM B/A Client for Windows 5.2.2 Windows Server 2003 v 5.02 I am receiving the following error trying to restore SYSTEMSTATE. I get same error from GUI and cmd line. Any suggestions would be appreciated... tsm q systemstate Size Backup DateMgmt Class A/I File ----- --- 488,430,629 B 11/22/2004 22:07:34DEFAULT A FULL SYSTEM STATE\SYSS TATE tsm restore systemstate -verbose Restore System State using shadow copy... Restore System State: 'System Files'. Restore System State: 'Registry'. Restore System State: 'Active Directory'. Restore System State: 'System Volume'. Restore System State: 'COM+ Database'. ** Interrupted ** ANS1114I Waiting for mount of offline media. Restoring 1,612 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\COMPDB.xml [Done] Restoring 1,746 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\NTDS.xml [Done] Restoring 4,638 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\REGISTRY.xml [Done] Restoring 427,062 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\SYSFILES.xml [Done] Restoring 2,330 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\SYSVOL.xml [Done] Restoring 3,034 SYSTEM STATE\adsm.sys\xml.state\tsm.xml [Done] ANS1899I * Examined 1,000 files * ANS1899I * Examined 2,000 files * Total number of objects restored: 6 Total number of objects failed: 0 Total number of bytes transferred:431.66 KB Data transfer time:0.42 sec Network data transfer rate:1,022.89 KB/sec Aggregate data transfer rate: 1.41 KB/sec Elapsed processing time: 00:05:05 ANS4005E Error processing '': file not found any ideas on this? Thanks in advance!!
Re: Windows server imaging
Mark, I agree with you that TSM can be used, but I am not sure I am clear on the '3' ways you are referring to. Would you take a moment and describe briefly the '3' ways...Thanks in advance. Dave Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/20/2005 03:04 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Windows server imaging I wouldn't bother spending the money. You can rebuild a Windows TSM client with just TSM in three majorly different ways, depending upon your circumstances, and a myriad of methods within each way. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) IBM Certified Advanced Deployment Professional Tivoli Storage Management Solutions 2005 IBM Certified Advanced Technical Expert (CATE) AIX Office 262.521.5627 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry McColgan Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:14 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Windows server imaging Christie BMR - t -Original Message- From: Richard Mochnaczewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 8:40 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Windows server imaging Hi Everybody, I've been reading up on the various image/restore methods for Windows servers . What do users favour ? Rich
TSM Storage Agent goes bye-bye
Hi LIst, TSM Server 5.2.4 on AIX 5.3 TSM Client 5.2.0 on AIX 5.2 TSM STA 5.2.4 on AIX 5.2 Just wondering if any other LAN Free users out there have periodic problems withe there LAN Free backup not working. Backup still works over IP, but obviously I would prefer the LAN free path. I have seen this on all of my LAN free clients at different times. I do not see any errors in DSMERROR, DSMSTA.ERR, or DSMSCHED.LOG. The LAN free connection just seems to go off into Never Never Land I suspect a network anomaly is at the heart of it, but was wondering if anybody else has similar experiences. Maybe a script to periodically cycle the DSMSTA and DSMC SCHED would fix this, but would prefer to fix the problem. Thanks in advance Dave
Re: Can not start TSM client after upgrade
You could try cd'ing to the baclient dir and then try the dsmc. and/or reset your env vars from the uninstall.. Dave Mike Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/12/2005 03:44 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Can not start TSM client after upgrade I upgraded one of our HPUX clients from version 5.2.3 to version 5.3.0 today. I did an uninstall and then installed the new client like it said. When I issue the dsmc command to start a session I receive the following error. ANS0101E unable to open English message repository dsmclientv3.cat I installed as root and was still logged on as root when I was trying to start the session. I did see in the instructions that it must have an errorlog, which I did create using touch. Any help would be appreciated Mike Anderson Associate Systems Engineer - Midrange Catholic Healthcare Partners - Information Technologies CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: *URGENT* Windows OS Auditing
Hi Rich, For the record, this change was communicated we just didn't fully appreciate the impact it would have. Thanks for your concern. Dave Richard Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 05/20/2005 07:13 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Re: *URGENT*Windows OS Auditing On May 19, 2005, at 5:05 PM, David Nicholson wrote: ...The Intel folks tell me they recently turned on O/S level Auditing of the DATA drive on almost all of the Windows servers. ... This is an issue for site management to address. If those wonderful Windows administrators capriciously made a major change in the way site servers are operating, and did not communicate it to the organization, then they are out of control and need some parental guidance. Site management should realize the damage they are doing and take action. It's not just your backup system that it being affected, but also the performance of all the servers and overload on the network. An organization has to function in a team manner...as a cohesive whole. Things go to pot when that doesn't happen, and it isn't happening at your site. Richard Sims
Re: *URGENT* Windows OS Auditing
THANKS WANDA!! Your awesome...sure is nice to know what is going on! It all makes perfect sense...now... :( Based on what little I know about OS Level Auditing, I am thinking this is a 1 time blip for all the servers to get backed up because of this attribute change, but once I get through this initial backup things should return to normal for me . is this a correct assumption? Thanks again! Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 05/19/2005 05:17 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Re: *URGENT*Windows OS Auditing You betcha. Been there, done that (or had it done to me!) A change in the auditing options appears to TSM like a permission change. And like any other type of file change; you'll get a backup of the file (or all the files). There is a parm you can put in dsm.opt: SKIPNTPERMISSIONS YES But I haven't found any way to work with it. It tells TSM to ignore the NTFS permissions, but then it doesn't back them up or restore them at all. SO, unless you can rely STRICTLY on permission inheritance for ALL subdirectories from the root, you gotta back the permissions up. Go have that gin and tonic -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Nicholson Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 5:05 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: *URGENT* Windows OS Auditing Hi List, I am seeing a tremendous and sudden increase in the amount of data I am backing up from my Intel servers. The Intel folks tell me they recently turned on O/S level Auditing of the DATA drive on almost all of the Windows servers. I am wondering if this has resulted in TSM perceiving all the data to have changed and he is therefore taking a full backup. I am quickly running out of DB space and I'm beginning to panic (in a gin and tonic kind of way).. Can anybody comment? Thanks in advance Dave
*URGENT* Windows OS Auditing
Hi List, I am seeing a tremendous and sudden increase in the amount of data I am backing up from my Intel servers. The Intel folks tell me they recently turned on O/S level Auditing of the DATA drive on almost all of the Windows servers. I am wondering if this has resulted in TSM perceiving all the data to have changed and he is therefore taking a full backup. I am quickly running out of DB space and I'm beginning to panic (in a gin and tonic kind of way).. Can anybody comment? Thanks in advance Dave
Damaged Label on 3590J
Hi List, I have a 3590J with a damaged internal label. The 3494 library ejects that cartridge when I try to use it. The cartridge has obviously been abused (the case is cracked), but I would like to get the data off of it without having to bring all of my copypool volumes back from the vault. Is there a way to re-write the internal label with the same volser without loosing the data on the tape? I would then hope I could get a majority of the data off the tape.. Thanks in advance! Dave
Re: Damaged Label on 3590J
Hi Rich! Yes...it's TSM and Yes TSM rejects the tape. It is interesting to me that it also results in a Intervention on my 3494 Library that specifies a damaged internal label...but that is beside the point (I guess you can chalk one up for the LMCP driver). AnywayI was thinking that any kind of an attempt to re-write the label would result in the tapes data being lost and you pretty much confirmed that is the case. Would you have any suggestions for using the AIX 5.3 tape util to copy this to another cartridge? Dave Richard Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 04/29/2005 08:35 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc: Subject:Re: Damaged Label on 3590J Well, it's not the 3494 that causes the ejection, but the application trying to use the tape, which I presume is TSM. It would be worth reviewing its error messages, and any in your OS log, before going further. I'm not aware of any way of rewriting tape labels without disturbing the rest of the tape: the rewriting resets the tape contents, due to the nature of serial media, which historically cannot be randomly updated. I think your recourse is to attempt to employ an OS utility to copy the tape contents (beyond the label) to a replacement tape which has been labeled the same as the original. Then you can transfer the barcode label from the damaged tape to the replacement, and retire the cripple. Richard Sims On Apr 29, 2005, at 6:39 AM, David Nicholson wrote: Hi List, I have a 3590J with a damaged internal label. The 3494 library ejects that cartridge when I try to use it. The cartridge has obviously been abused (the case is cracked), but I would like to get the data off of it without having to bring all of my copypool volumes back from the vault. Is there a way to re-write the internal label with the same volser without loosing the data on the tape? I would then hope I could get a majority of the data off the tape.. Thanks in advance! Dave
TSM Library Sharing Compatibility .. *Upgrading to TSM 5.3*
As it relates to Tivoli Storage Manager SAN Tape Library Sharing. Can anyone tell me if a TSM Server 5.3.0.0 as a library manager is compatible with a TSM Server 5.2.2.0 as a library client? They are sharing a 3494. I would like to avoid upgrading both of my TSM servers at the same time if possible. Thanks in advance. Dave
HELP finding ITSM for Storage Area Networks Managed Systems for SAN V5.2.2
Can anybody give me a URL to get the 5.2.2 LAN free storage agent for AIX. I thought the 5.2 storage agent would workit isn't. Thanks in advance. Dave
Re: How Many Backup Administrators to Data Backed Up?
What a great time for this post/question!!! Thanks for asking it!! (2) TSM servers, 2 tape Libraries (3494 w/ 15 3590's drives / 2500 cells and a 3584 w/ 6 LTO II drives / 250 cells) 800 nodes (AIX, Windows, Linux) Every flavor of DB or app you can imagine. We backup 2-3TB a day. Total stored in TSM is 90TB, combined database used is 80GB. We invest around 4-8 hours a day on TSM stuff. TSM like everything else is under staffed...we could be investing about 3 times the amount of people resources on TSM that we currently do. Dave
Re: TSM best Practices for tape drives using FC
I have (2) TSM servers on AIX (H50 and H70) with 2GB FC adapter. I have (15) 3590 and 6 (3580) tape drives hanging off a single adapter from each server. I'm sure in a lab somewhere that my single adapter could be shown to be a bottleneck when trying to stream data to all those drives...however in the real world that I happen to live in I rarely see the an adapter pushing more than 130mb. Not sure I would recommend this as best practice, but I have no real complaints. I will say that location of the adapters can make a significant difference in the throughput. For instance, sharing a given bus with GigE, SSA, and FC tape is going to introduce a bottleneck at the bus...just something to keep in mind. Some time ago I relocated the FC adapter to a different bus and immediately saw 40% improvement in the throughput of the adapter. David R. Nicholson
Anybody with real world SATA diskpool experience
Hi List, I am building a new TSM server to consolidate my 2 existing servers. The 2 existing servers are Pseries H50 and H70; AIX 5.1; TSM 5.2; SSA disk and FC attached 3590 tape drives. Each server has a 40GB TSM database; about 100 GB of diskpool's and they backup roughly 1TB each per night. About 400 nodes registered per box. Plan on consolidating these onto a 520 AIX box...but I'm really struggling with the disk. I sure would love to load this thing up with a couple TB of SATA drives for my diskpools, but I've read all the industry concerns about failure rate and performance of SATA. Sooo, I was hoping some folks out there are using SATA and could give me some real world experiences. If you have alternate suggestions for inexpensive disk that works nice for diskpool, I'd love to hear it. Thanks in advance!!!
Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB
Hi All, I am surprised by the significant reduction is Pct Utilized. I thought in previous discussions that Unload/Reload had minimal impact on utilization. I have (2) TSM 5.2.2 servers on AIX with 40GB db's that are 90% used. I haven't done a unload/reload since there creation 3 years ago...do I have an opportunity here? Thanks in advance, Dave Yuhico, Alexandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/2004 02:39 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB guys I've finished the DSMSERV LOADDB!!! previous q db gave a Maximum reduction of zero and a PCT Util of 68% but my current q db shows the following : Available Assigned Maximum MaximumPage Total Used Pct Max. Space Capacity Extension ReductionSizeUsable Pages Util Pct (MB) (MB) (MB) (MB) (bytes) Pages Util - - - --- - - - - 32,768 32,768 017,436 4,096 8,388,608 3,928,814 46.8 46.8 Now... silly question... how do you edit the crontab? I thought it was crontab -C but that doesn't seem to work Alexandra -Original Message- From: Sternecker, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 2:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB well, well he is right as always. OH NO , no best shell discussion 8-). Peter Sternecker R+V Allgemeine Versicherung AG * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richard Sims Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 17:56 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Sternecker, Peter wrote: if your TSM-Server runs on Unix shell command | tee path_to_logfile this sends output to the terminal and the logfile. That will pipe Stdout, but not Stderr, where scary stuff goes. You may instead want to do shell command 21 | tee path_to_logfile or more conveniently use Cshell: command | tee path_to_logfile This keeps important msgs from being lost. Richard Sims This e-mail is privileged and may contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the addressee immediately by telephone or return e-mail. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.
Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB
Hi Eric, Thanks for the info! The older of the 2 servers returned a percent_frag of -0.01 the newer returned a percent_frag of 27.44. The older server is 4 years old...the newer is 3 years old. Seems strange the newer server would have such a significantly higher frag %. Any idea what kinds of activity result in fragmentation? Is unload/reload the answer here or will the server make efficient use of these fragments over time? Is unload/reload a performance solution or utilization solution or both? or neither? Thanks in advance, Dave Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2004 10:10 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB Hi David! Try the following SQL statement: SELECT CAST((100 - (CAST(MAX_REDUCTION_MB AS FLOAT) * 256 ) / (CAST(USABLE_PAGES AS FLOAT) - CAST(USED_PAGES AS FLOAT) ) * 100) AS DECIMAL(4,2)) AS PERCENT_FRAG FROM DB It will give you the fragmentation level. Kindest regards, Eric van Loon KLM Royal Dutch Airlines -Original Message- From: David Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 15:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB Hi All, I am surprised by the significant reduction is Pct Utilized. I thought in previous discussions that Unload/Reload had minimal impact on utilization. I have (2) TSM 5.2.2 servers on AIX with 40GB db's that are 90% used. I haven't done a unload/reload since there creation 3 years ago...do I have an opportunity here? Thanks in advance, Dave Yuhico, Alexandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/2004 02:39 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB guys I've finished the DSMSERV LOADDB!!! previous q db gave a Maximum reduction of zero and a PCT Util of 68% but my current q db shows the following : Available Assigned Maximum MaximumPage Total Used Pct Max. Space Capacity Extension ReductionSizeUsable Pages Util Pct (MB) (MB) (MB) (MB) (bytes) Pages Util - - - --- - - - - 32,768 32,768 017,436 4,096 8,388,608 3,928,814 46.8 46.8 Now... silly question... how do you edit the crontab? I thought it was crontab -C but that doesn't seem to work Alexandra -Original Message- From: Sternecker, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 2:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB well, well he is right as always. OH NO , no best shell discussion 8-). Peter Sternecker R+V Allgemeine Versicherung AG * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richard Sims Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 17:56 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Sternecker, Peter wrote: if your TSM-Server runs on Unix shell command | tee path_to_logfile this sends output to the terminal and the logfile. That will pipe Stdout, but not Stderr, where scary stuff goes. You may instead want to do shell command 21 | tee path_to_logfile or more conveniently use Cshell: command | tee path_to_logfile This keeps important msgs from being lost. Richard Sims This e-mail is privileged and may contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the addressee immediately by telephone or return e-mail. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. **
Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB
Hi Daniel, It just occurred to me that even though the DB is 3 years oldI seem to recall a unload/reload when going from TSM 4.x to TSM 5.2...anybody know if this was the case? My point is that while updating the server version, I may have defragged it without realizing it... Thanks!! Dave Daniel Sparrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/08/2004 10:12 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB Hi Yes, you probably do. However, the impact of the unload is smaller than you might expect. Directly after the unload, you're database will shrink with 30-40%. However, the following days after a unload you will see that the database will quickly go up in utilization again. I'd expect you can earn about 10-20% with a database thats 3 years old. The unload we made brought the database down from 160GB to 80. However, 3 months later, we're up at 110GB. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 David Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-10-08 15:47 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB Hi All, I am surprised by the significant reduction is Pct Utilized. I thought in previous discussions that Unload/Reload had minimal impact on utilization. I have (2) TSM 5.2.2 servers on AIX with 40GB db's that are 90% used. I haven't done a unload/reload since there creation 3 years ago...do I have an opportunity here? Thanks in advance, Dave Yuhico, Alexandra [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/2004 02:39 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB guys I've finished the DSMSERV LOADDB!!! previous q db gave a Maximum reduction of zero and a PCT Util of 68% but my current q db shows the following : Available Assigned Maximum MaximumPage Total Used Pct Max. Space Capacity Extension ReductionSizeUsable Pages Util Pct (MB) (MB) (MB) (MB) (bytes) Pages Util - - - --- - - - - 32,768 32,768 017,436 4,096 8,388,608 3,928,814 46.8 46.8 Now... silly question... how do you edit the crontab? I thought it was crontab -C but that doesn't seem to work Alexandra -Original Message- From: Sternecker, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 8 October 2004 2:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB well, well he is right as always. OH NO , no best shell discussion 8-). Peter Sternecker R+V Allgemeine Versicherung AG * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Richard Sims Gesendet: Donnerstag, 7. Oktober 2004 17:56 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: AW: DSMSERV UNLOADDB On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:34 AM, Sternecker, Peter wrote: if your TSM-Server runs on Unix shell command | tee path_to_logfile this sends output to the terminal and the logfile. That will pipe Stdout, but not Stderr, where scary stuff goes. You may instead want to do shell command 21 | tee path_to_logfile or more conveniently use Cshell: command | tee path_to_logfile This keeps important msgs from being lost. Richard Sims This e-mail is privileged and may contain confidential information intended only for the person(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the addressee immediately by telephone or return e-mail. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus-free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus-free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted.
Re: Hey Big Blue....Why not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!?
Hi Bill, As you might expect I avoid shooting myself in the footbut compost happens. :) Any number of commands if not used properly could destroy integrity of backups, none the less they are still usefull to have. Generally speaking, I try not to think of auditorsIt is similar to the anticipation one feels prior to an enema. :) My primary pool is 40TB...backing it up to a new copypool would present a number of problems for me. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation William F. Colwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/10/2004 06:01 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Hey Big BlueWhy not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!? At 07:56 AM 6/10/2004, you wrote: I already performed the move data from the primary pool to another primary pool. I guess TSM cant figure out that the primary copies are in a different primary storage pool than where they were origianlly backed up from. A DELETE FILES node filespace STG=stgpool sure would be niceor a DELETE NODEDATA STG=stgpool. (sigh) No! It would not be nice - unless you like shooting yourself in the foot. Anything that lets you alter a backup destroys the integrity of the backup. Think of your auditors - if they understood how good tsm is, this command would destroy all their confidence. If you have gone to the trouble of collocating the primary pool with move nodedata commands, you can collocate the offsite pool by defining a new copypool and backing up to it. After the new pool is all offsite, delete the volumes in the old copypool with 'discarddata=yes'. I really hope this helps, Bill Colwell Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2004 10:44 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Hey Big BlueWhy not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!? From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Nicholson I tried a MOVE DATA for offsite data...it did not go after the data in the primary pool...it wanted to mount the volume in the copy pool...which was offsite. Am I missing something? Something is wrong. MOVE DATA will only call for offsite volumes if the required files are not available in the primary pool. Do you have volumes in unavailable status? -- Mark Stapleton -- Bill Colwell C. S. Draper Lab Cambridge Ma.
Re: Hey Big Blue....Why not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!?
I already performed the move data from the primary pool to another primary pool. I guess TSM cant figure out that the primary copies are in a different primary storage pool than where they were origianlly backed up from. A DELETE FILES node filespace STG=stgpool sure would be niceor a DELETE NODEDATA STG=stgpool. (sigh) Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2004 10:44 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Hey Big BlueWhy not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!? From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Nicholson I tried a MOVE DATA for offsite data...it did not go after the data in the primary pool...it wanted to mount the volume in the copy pool...which was offsite. Am I missing something? Something is wrong. MOVE DATA will only call for offsite volumes if the required files are not available in the primary pool. Do you have volumes in unavailable status? -- Mark Stapleton
Hey Big Blue....Why not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!?
As luck would have it, the nodes I moved were large file servers and my copy pool is not collocated. I probably have data spread across 600 volumes. I think I'll pass on bringing them back This is by no means a new frustration for many folks. Any idea why old big blue hasn't tried to add this functionality? The process of migrating data to new media is severely handicapped by the lack of flexibility to MOVE DATA across copy pools. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2004 12:19 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship If you want to pursue this, you'll have to run a select statement against the VOLUMEUSAGE to find the relevant offsite pool volumes. Check in the volumes from the resultant list, and run your MOVE NODEDATA. -- Mark Stapleton -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rushforth, Tim Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship OK, #1 below wouldn't work either without bringing offsite tapes back! Yes. Keep in mind that MOVE NODEDATA is not very useful for offsite copypools, since it requires the copypool-volumes to be onsite and available. (It doesn't work like e.g. MOVE DATA does, which gets the files from the primary pool) -- Jurjen Oskam -Original Message- From: Rushforth, Tim Sent: June 7, 2004 3:05 PM To: 'ADSM: Dist Stor Manager' Subject: RE: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship Ooops forgot about that restriction. To do this without bringing back offsite tapes or deleting all copy pool data for some nodes temporarily: 1. Move nodedata from Copy Pool #1 to Copy Pool #1 (to new volumes) for the nodes you want to move. 2. Move nodedata Primary Pool #1 to Primary Pool #2 3. Backup primary pool #2 to Copy Pool #2 4. Delete the new volumes from 1. -Original Message- From: Stapleton, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 7, 2004 2:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rushforth, Tim I guess the proper sequence should have been: 1. Move nodedata from Copy Pool #1 to Copy Pool #2 (this way TSM will use the data on Primary Pool #1 as the source data) 2. Move nodedata from Primary Pool #1 to Primary Pool #2 Unfortunately, step #1 is not possible. MOVE NODEDATA supports data moves within a single copy pool, but not between two copy pools. -- Mark Stapleton
Re: Hey Big Blue....Why not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!?
Tim, I tried a MOVE DATA for offsite data...it did not go after the data in the primary pool...it wanted to mount the volume in the copy pool...which was offsite. Am I missing something? Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Rushforth, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/09/2004 03:43 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Hey Big BlueWhy not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!? Yeah you would think this is easy unless I'm missing something ... MOVE DATA works properly for offsite data - ie if you issue a move data for a volume that is offsite, it will move the data to another volume in the same copy pool using the primary storage pool as input. Why does MOVE NODEDATA work differently? It is doing the same thing - only selectively moving data. -Original Message- From: Jurjen Oskam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 9, 2004 2:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hey Big BlueWhy not MOVE DATA across copy pools?!? On Wed, Jun 09, 2004 at 12:10:32PM -0500, Stapleton, Mark wrote: I used to think the same thing, but it occurred to me that, while there is a one-to-one correspondence between a file in an copy pool and the copy of the file in a primary pool, there is not necessarily a one-to-one relationship in the other direction. Especially with MOVE NODEDATA used to move data from one primary pool to another, where the first primary pool is backed up to COPY01 and the second primary pool is backed up to COPY02. The data in COPY01 is now (sort of) 'orphaned', and cannot be removed. (Not easily, at least) Maybe a DELETE NODEDATA would be nice. (However, a MOVE NODEDATA that would work on offsite volumes would be *much* nicer. That way, you can once in a while 'collocate' all files of a node manually, and greatly speed up a DR when all you got is the copypool.) The more I look into this, the more I am inclined to never use more than one copy pool for any given TSM server. Especially so with a MOVE NODEDATA that would work on offsite volumes. -- Jurjen Oskam Avoid putting a paging file on a fault-tolerant drive, such as a mirrored volume or a RAID-5 volume. Paging files do not need fault-tolerance.-MS Q308417
Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship
Hi All, I moved a lot of data out of Primary Pool #1 and into Primary Pool # 2. Primary Pool #1 used Copy Pool #1 and Primary Pool # 2 used Copy Pool #2. It appears that the Copy Pool # 1 still has the backup of this data...which I expected. The problem is that it appears the data was also backed up to copy pool #2 as I moved the datathis was not expected. Does this sound like expected behavior? If so, any ideas for how to clean up the extra copy in Copy Pool #1??? Thanks! Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Re: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship
I tried this cmd, but all my copy pool volumes are UNAVAIL (offsite). any other suggestions? Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Rushforth, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/07/2004 11:20 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship Yes this is how TSM works. You can have multiple copy pools for 1 Primary Pool. See http://msgs.adsm.org/cgi-bin/get/adsm0404/221.html for one way to delete this data. (This assumes that there is still domr data that you want on Copy Pool #1) -Original Message- From: David Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 7, 2004 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Primary Pool and Copypool Relationship Hi All, I moved a lot of data out of Primary Pool #1 and into Primary Pool # 2. Primary Pool #1 used Copy Pool #1 and Primary Pool # 2 used Copy Pool #2. It appears that the Copy Pool # 1 still has the backup of this data...which I expected. The problem is that it appears the data was also backed up to copy pool #2 as I moved the datathis was not expected. Does this sound like expected behavior? If so, any ideas for how to clean up the extra copy in Copy Pool #1??? Thanks! Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Andy.....What is Imperfect Collocation???
Imperfect Collocation??? My experience has been that when I reach the maxscratch threshold the storage group is full and cant accept data. Am I missing something?? Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Andrew Raibeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/2004 07:09 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: What ever happened to Group Collocation ? Zoltan, I don't know what you were specifically told about the new feature, but keep in mind that any such disclosures are usually with the caveats subject to change. :-) To the best of my knowledge this is currently targeted for our next major release this fall. (Caveat: This statement does not represent a formal announcement or commitment, and is subject to change.) As others have suggested, check the tape utilization for your smaller nodes and consider using imperfect collocation (reduce MAXSCRATCH which will allow multiple nodes to share a tape). Some other thoughts: - Make sure your tapes are available to the server for additional writes, i.e. not in read-only or other access state that prevents appending data to the tape. - Check the status of the tapes to make sure they aren't full. If they are full, then maybe you need to run reclamation? Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/2004 13:13 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc Subject Re: What ever happened to Group Collocation ? I have already thought of this idea. I was hoping for GROUP COLLOCATION. The problem with this idea/design is I have to essential duplicate *EVERYTHING*, such as admin processes, operator training, etc. Also, this means I have to set aside disk storage (which is very limited on my zOS system) to dedicate for each pool, that can't be shared, and hope I don't guess wrong on how much each pool/group needs. Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, this is probably the way I will have to go. One confusion is why do I have so many partially filled tapes ? I don't have this many nodes ?
MOVE DRM for 3584 LTO library
Hi, I have a 3494 and a 3584 tape library. When I do MOVE DRM the 3584 tries to check the label on the tape before ejecting it. My 3494 does not do this. Does anybody know how to prevent the 3584 LTO library from checking the label when a MOVE DRM occurs?? I do not always have tape drives available when the MOVE DRM is scheduled and it fails because no drive is available to check the label on. Thanks in advance Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Re: MOVE DRM for 3584 LTO library *** THANKS WANDA !!!! ***
THAT WAS IT!!*** Thanks Wanda!!! *** Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/14/2004 01:54 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: MOVE DRM for 3584 LTO library Enter the command: Q DRMSTATUS If CHECKLABEL is set to YES, TSM will try to verify the label before ejecting the tape. To change, enter command: set drmchecklabel no -Original Message- From: David Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MOVE DRM for 3584 LTO library Hi, I have a 3494 and a 3584 tape library. When I do MOVE DRM the 3584 tries to check the label on the tape before ejecting it. My 3494 does not do this. Does anybody know how to prevent the 3584 LTO library from checking the label when a MOVE DRM occurs?? I do not always have tape drives available when the MOVE DRM is scheduled and it fails because no drive is available to check the label on. Thanks in advance Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Re: ?continue using 3590's or convert to LTO tape?
We do not plan on expanding our 3494/3590E/3590J environment in the future. We purchased a 3584 last year and I am beginning to shift workload to LTO. I have no plans for a full scale conversion to LTO. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Need to optimize LARGE Oracle DB backup
Hi List, I have a 700GB Oracle DB to backup every day. It's a 4.3 AIX box...s LAN Free not an option for my TSM 5.2.2 server. I have dedicated GB nic's on both the TSM client and TSM server. The network between them is not over utilized. I am backing up directly to FC LTO II drives. Can anyone give me some strategy suggestions on how to get this backed up as quickly as possible. Suggestions for performing multiple thread backups or maybe some TCPIP client options that can be tuned or anything else you could suggest would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation
Restore Question
Hi All, Have a situation where a virus has deleted several files from our Novell file servers. I want to restore to last nights backups, but I do not want to regress changes that have been made to files that are still on the file servers. The short of it is I only want to restore files that have been DELETED since the last backup. If the file exists and has been changed...I DO NOT want to restore it.. any ideas? Thanks is advance...
Re: ESS model 27
Hi John, I can't give you specific TSM mod 27 experience, but we use mod27's heavily on our 800 for DB2 and it screams. No performance problems, but you should know we are using dynamic PAV's. I would have no hesitation using mod27's for about anything. Dave Nicholson John Naylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/13/2004 10:04 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:ESS model 27 People, Environment Z/os 1.4 TSM 5.1.6 We will be moving our TSM server environment from ESS F20s (18 gb disks) to ESS 800s (146gb disks) in the near future Currently I have 99 addresses, all emulating 3390-3 disks that provide for database volumes, recovery logs and storage pools. With the new 800s, I will be using either 3390-9 or 3390-27 emulation giving the number of disk address as either 33 or 11. I am interested in the experience of anyone using ESS 800s with the 146gb disks. Did you go with 3390-9 or 3390-27 Did you go with very large TSM logical volumes. Any recommendations? thanks, John ** The information in this E-Mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not represent the views of Scottish and Southern Energy plc. It is intended solely for the addressees. Access to this E-Mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any unauthorised recipient should advise the sender immediately of the error in transmission. Scottish Hydro-Electric, Southern Electric, SWALEC and S+S are trading names of the Scottish and Southern Energy Group. **
Orphaned Library Client tapes in VOLHIST
Hi, I have 2 TSM 5.2.2 AIX servers sharing a 3494. I have 10 tapes that appear to be orphaned. The combined volhist on the TSM library manager says they belong to the library client. When I look in the volhist on the library client they do not exist. Any ideas how I can clean this up? Thanks in advance.
RETRY DISMOUNT FAILURE ??
TSM Server 5.2.2 (AIX 5.1) I have several of my 3590 drives in this condition. Anybody know how to clean it up? I think a storage agent is leaving the drives in this condition, but not sure. Any info would be appreciated.
Applying TSM 5.2.2 maint on AIX server .. have question
Hi, I have (2) TSM servers. Both are AIX 5.1.0 and both are 32bit (bootinfo -k returns a '3'). I am trying to apply TSM server 5.2.2 on my existing TSM server 5.2.0. I did the first server last weekend without any trouble..however..I got to the second server and discovered the following lpp's were installed tivoli.tsm.devices.acsls 5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager tivoli.tsm.devices.aix5.rte tivoli.tsm.license.aix5.rte64 tivoli.tsm.license.cert5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager tivoli.tsm.loc.server.ela 5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager tivoli.tsm.msg.en_US.devices tivoli.tsm.msg.en_US.server tivoli.tsm.msg.en_US.webhelp tivoli.tsm.server.aix5.rte64 tivoli.tsm.server.com 5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager tivoli.tsm.server.webadmin tivoli.tsm.devices.acsls 5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager tivoli.tsm.devices.aix5.rte tivoli.tsm.server.aix5.rte64 tivoli.tsm.server.com 5.2.0.0 COMMITTED IBM Tivoli Storage Manager I was expecting to see tivoli.tsm.server.rte but I do not I'm a little confused. AIX novice here so would appreciate a little clarification.. Thanks
Re: 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS
We made the same upgrade 4.2 to 5.1 on our AIX server. We also have 3494 library. We deffinetly had to manually define the paths after the upgrade. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Farren Minns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 07:53 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:4.2.2.12 to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS Hi TSMers Ok, my questions about the 4.2 to 5.1 upgrade are prolly getting boring, but I always like to make sure I've asked every silly question I can so as not to get caught out. So, next week I'm going from 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.6.2 on a Solaris 2.7 node. I understand that PATHS are a new feature (or complication) of 5.1 but want to know if, after upgrade I HAVE to define these. I was speaking to an IBM rep the other day and he said yes, but I have heard others say they didn't have to do it (sorry to keep hastling you Gary). Our setup is one tcp attached 3494 library with two scsi 3590 tape drives. I'm surprised that the upgrade would not see these devices already set up and create the paths accordingly. Anyone got a definte answer here. Also, looking at the quick-start guide on the 5.1.0.0 media, it doesn't mention paths. The Admin guide does, but not the quick start. mm Anyway, thanks for any pointers Farren Minns - John Wiley Sons Ltd * This email transmission is confidential and intended for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, or disseminate the information, open any attachment, or take any action in reliance of it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check, as the sender takes no responsibility for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. *
Re: 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS
My recollection is that we simply had to define the paths. However, SOP says be prepared for anything. I also recall that we were told to remove the DRIVE def's from all TSM library clients. The DRIVE's only need to be defined to the library manager/owner in a library sharing environment now. The devices still need to be defined to the OS on the library client, but TSM does not require the DRIVE to be defined to library clients. I am not sure that it is required to delete the DRIVE def's from clients, but was recommended. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Farren Minns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 11:34 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS I'm assuming that the Library and Device definitions will still be in place, so then it'll just be the paths that need defining. Or do I need to define new drives and lib too ? Farren |++---| || Lawrence Clark | | || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | || .US | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor| cc: | || Manager | Subject: Re: 4.2.2.12| || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS | ||| | || 09/11/2003 04:07 PM | | || Please respond to ADSM: Dist| | || Stor Manager| | ||| | |++---| On the other hand, we upgraded from 4.2 to 5.1, have two 3494 libraries, and did not have to manually define the paths.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/03 10:22AM We made the same upgrade 4.2 to 5.1 on our AIX server. We also have 3494 library. We deffinetly had to manually define the paths after the upgrade. Dave Nicholson Whirlpool Corporation Farren Minns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2003 07:53 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.0.0 upgrade and PATHS Hi TSMers Ok, my questions about the 4.2 to 5.1 upgrade are prolly getting boring, but I always like to make sure I've asked every silly question I can so as not to get caught out. So, next week I'm going from 4.2.2.12 to 5.1.6.2 on a Solaris 2.7 node. I understand that PATHS are a new feature (or complication) of 5.1 but want to know if, after upgrade I HAVE to define these. I was speaking to an IBM rep the other day and he said yes, but I have heard others say they didn't have to do it (sorry to keep hastling you Gary). Our setup is one tcp attached 3494 library with two scsi 3590 tape drives. I'm surprised that the upgrade would not see these devices already set up and create the paths accordingly. Anyone got a definte answer here. Also, looking at the quick-start guide on the 5.1.0.0 media, it doesn't mention paths. The Admin guide does, but not the quick start. mm Anyway, thanks for any pointers Farren Minns - John Wiley Sons Ltd * This email transmission is confidential and intended for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, or disseminate the information, open any attachment, or take any action in reliance of it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check, as the sender takes no responsibility for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. * * This email transmission is confidential and intended for the person or organisation it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute, or disseminate the information, open any attachment, or take any action in reliance of it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. Although this email has been scanned for viruses you should rely on your own virus check, as the sender takes no responsibility for any damage arising out of any bug or virus infection. *