dirmc question

[Jim Kirkman]

Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user
clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
that a new version is backed up?
I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and
it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra
versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if
a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
aren't enough versions data exists.
thanks,
Jim

Dirmc question

[Robert Ouzen]

Hello
 
I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I migrate it to 
cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. 
For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a move nodedata 
from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what about my storage disk of 
dirmc I think I will not need anymore .
 
Did I need  to do :
 1. A next storage  from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new storage disk where 
the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata
 2. To  delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty)
 3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt
 
I hope I explain myself correctly , any suggestions !
 
Regards 
 
Robert Ouzen
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

DIRMC question

[Copperfield Adams]

Hi All,
 
I have a node which has all data bar 1 top-level directory and its
contents bound to the default management class (2 year retention). I
have a separate management class set up with a slightly longer retention
policy for directories and have a DIRMC entry in the dsm.opt file to
bind the dirs to this management class. 
There is one top-level directory and it's contents which is bound to a
separate management class that will retain data for 7 years (I use an
'INCLUDE' in the opt file). 
Can anyone confirm that this directory and all it's subdirs (not the
data within but the dirs) will be bound by the 7 year class and not by
the DIRMC? In other words, if I delete some data (and dirs) from this
directory, will the dirs still be available to restore after the 2 years
(and upto 7 years)?
 
Many thanks.
 

C Adams

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DIRMC question

[Gill, Geoffrey L.]

This may seem like a dumb question but I've got to ask it anyway. I'm trying
to decide if I need to perform "archives" of some data on certain computers.
Some contracts require us to keep data up to 7 years. Unfortunately the
amount of data we've got makes it almost impossible to archive even once a
month. So here is the question: If I use the include option for those
specific directories where the data is, can I bind it to a management class
that has a 7 year retention period? If the file is deleted on the client
will it is in the ADSM database for 7 years as long as I specify retonly
2555?

Would this setup do the trick

Versions Data Exists 3

Versions Data Deleted1

Retain Extra Versions60

Retain Only Version  2555

Has anyone verified, on a smaller scale probably, that this works well?

> Geoff Gill
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> Computer Systems Group
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DIRMC Question

[Brian Nick]

Hello everyone.

 I have a question concerning *SM directories. Back in the early days of
TSM we used the DIRMC option to put directories to disk rather that tape to
avoid "thrashing" issues on the tape devices. We are now running TSM 3.7.3
on OS/390 and I believe that the issue of having directories on tape has
been addressed. My questions is this: How do I get the directories that
currently reside in my disk storage pool back to tape?

 I would think that if I did a move data this should effectively move the
directories to the specific pool that I point to in the move data command,
and since that pool is collocated then my directories would be on a
specific set of tape for each client.

 Has anyone had the opportunity to do this? Any help that anyone can
provide would be appreciated.


 Thanks,
Brian


Brian L. Nick
System Programmer - Storage Solutions
Phoenix Home Life Mutual Ins.
100 Bright Meadow Blvd
Enfield CT. 06082-1900

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dirmc question

[Jim Kirkman]

I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have
read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management
class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a
client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got
it, dirmc.  I've associated some clients with said option set but I've
no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the
option set correctly, although the query looks good

 Optionset: DIRMC
  Option: DIRMC
Sequence number: 0
   Override: No
   Option Value: dirmc

any help appreciated



--
Jim Kirkman
AIS - Systems
UNC-Chapel Hill
966-5884

Re: dirmc question

[Andrew Raibeck]

Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files.

What does

dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive

show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have
"c:\yourfoldername".)

Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on

   +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit

For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject.

Regards,

Andy

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
08:43:27:

> Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user
> clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
> that a new version is backed up?
>
> I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and
> it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra
> versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if
> a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
> aren't enough versions data exists.
>
> thanks,
> Jim

Re: dirmc question

[Jim Kirkman]

Andy,
Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your
point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated:
>you can create a managment class for your directories with
>VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays,
>where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT
>restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back up
> to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to
>use the CLI.
Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is
that interpreted?
as always, thanks for your attention!
Andrew Raibeck wrote:
Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files.
What does
dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive
show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have
"c:\yourfoldername".)
Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on
   +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit
For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
08:43:27:

Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user
clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
that a new version is backed up?
I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and
it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra
versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if
a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
aren't enough versions data exists.
thanks,
Jim
--
Jim Kirkman
ITS Infrastructure
UNC-Chapel Hill
919-698-8615

Re: dirmc question

[Andrew Raibeck]

Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason,
wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked "3D" (the
ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how email
formats work, but I didn't put it there.

So wherever you see

xxx=3Dyyy

just read

xxx=yyy

i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT

I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense! :-)

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
12:13:41:

> Andy,
>
> Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your
> point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated:
>
>  >you can create a managment class for your directories with
>  >VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays,
>  >where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT
>  >restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back
up
>  > to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to
>  >use the CLI.
>
> Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is
> that interpreted?
>
> as always, thanks for your attention!
>
> Andrew Raibeck wrote:
>
> > Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files.
> >
> > What does
> >
> > dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive
> >
> > show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have
> > "c:\yourfoldername".)
> >
> > Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on
> >
> >+raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit
> >
> > For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Andy Raibeck
> > IBM Software Group
> > Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> > Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> > The command line is your friend.
> > "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
> >
> > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
> > 08:43:27:
> >
> >
> >>Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a
user
> >>clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
> >>that a new version is backed up?
> >>
> >>I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder
and
> >>it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have
extra
> >>versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but
if
> >>a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
> >>aren't enough versions data exists.
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>Jim
>
> --
> Jim Kirkman
> ITS Infrastructure
> UNC-Chapel Hill
> 919-698-8615

Re: dirmc question

[Andrew Raibeck]

And just to be really clear:

> i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT

is a typo the latter part should be VEREXISTS=NOLIMIT   :-)

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
12:33:44:

> Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason,
> wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked "3D" (the
> ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how
email
> formats work, but I didn't put it there.
>
> So wherever you see
>
> xxx=3Dyyy
>
> just read
>
> xxx=yyy
>
> i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT
>
> I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense!
:-)
>
> Andy Raibeck
> IBM Software Group
> Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> The command line is your friend.
> "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
> 12:13:41:
>
> > Andy,
> >
> > Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your
> > point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated:
> >
> >  >you can create a managment class for your directories with
> >  >VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays,
> >  >where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT
> >  >restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back
> up
> >  > to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need
to
> >  >use the CLI.
> >
> > Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is
> > that interpreted?
> >
> > as always, thanks for your attention!
> >
> > Andrew Raibeck wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files.
> > >
> > > What does
> > >
> > > dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive
> > >
> > > show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have
> > > "c:\yourfoldername".)
> > >
> > > Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on
> > >
> > >+raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit
> > >
> > > For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Andy
> > >
> > > Andy Raibeck
> > > IBM Software Group
> > > Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> > > Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> > > The command line is your friend.
> > > "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
> > >
> > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
> > > 08:43:27:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a
> user
> > >>clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
> > >>that a new version is backed up?
> > >>
> > >>I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder
> and
> > >>it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have
> extra
> > >>versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but
> if
> > >>a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
> > >>aren't enough versions data exists.
> > >>
> > >>thanks,
> > >>Jim
> >
> > --
> > Jim Kirkman
> > ITS Infrastructure
> > UNC-Chapel Hill
> > 919-698-8615

Re: dirmc question

[Lepre, James]

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Andrew Raibeck
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:34 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: dirmc question

Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason,
wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked "3D" (the
ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how
email
formats work, but I didn't put it there.

So wherever you see

xxx=3Dyyy

just read

xxx=yyy

i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT

I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense!
:-)

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
12:13:41:

> Andy,
>
> Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your
> point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated:
>
>  >you can create a managment class for your directories with
>  >VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays,
>  >where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT
>  >restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back
up
>  > to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need
to
>  >use the CLI.
>
> Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is
> that interpreted?
>
> as always, thanks for your attention!
>
> Andrew Raibeck wrote:
>
> > Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files.
> >
> > What does
> >
> > dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive
> >
> > show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have
> > "c:\yourfoldername".)
> >
> > Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on
> >
> >+raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit
> >
> > For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Andy Raibeck
> > IBM Software Group
> > Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> > Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> > The command line is your friend.
> > "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
> >
> > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 01/20/2005
> > 08:43:27:
> >
> >
> >>Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a
user
> >>clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such
> >>that a new version is backed up?
> >>
> >>I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder
and
> >>it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have
extra
> >>versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but
if
> >>a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably
> >>aren't enough versions data exists.
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>Jim
>
> --
> Jim Kirkman
> ITS Infrastructure
> UNC-Chapel Hill
> 919-698-8615

Re: dirmc question

[Richard Sims]

On Jan 21, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Lepre, James wrote:
Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason,
wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked "3D"
(the
ASCII hex code for '=') after it. ...
Though mail is two-dimensional, you may sometimes see the "3D".  :-)
That's MIME encoding of character sets, where the mail package which
generated the email encoded it as "quoted-printable", where various
special characters are encoded in hex. You see this in archived
postings because you are then looking at the data in its raw form,
where the archive site did not decode the mail but rather stored it in
its original form.
www.adsm.org tends to store in raw form, while
http://www.mail-archive.com/adsm-l@vm.marist.edu/ (which I prefer)
tends to decode the mail before storing such that it is fully readable.
Richard Sims

Re: Dirmc question

[Stapleton, Mark]

From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Robert Ouzen
>I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the 
>day I migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups 
>those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. 
>For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I 
>think to do a move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my 
>new storage disk but what about my storage disk of dirmc I 
>think I will not need anymore .
> 
>Did I need  to do :
> 1. A next storage  from my actual dirmc storage disk to the 
>new storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the 
>move nodedata  2. To  delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after 
>is empty)  3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt

Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now.

Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in your
standard disk storage pool, which you are now migrating to tape. The
reason you leave the dirmc disk pool in place is so that when you have
to perform large-scale restores, the directory structure information is
restored from disk; this is much faster than restoring from tape.

--
Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Berbee Information Networks
Office 262.521.5627  

Re: Dirmc question

[Robert Ouzen]

Hi Mark

Correct me if I am wrong you said that the information is also stored in my standard 
disk stotage pool (after migration on tape too). So after a move nodedata on my new 
storage pool on disk I will not need anymore the dirmc parameter and the old dirmc 
storage disk , all the information will be on the new storage disk including the 
directory structure .

Regards
Ouzen Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED])





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-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stapleton, Mark
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Dirmc question

From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Ouzen
>I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I 
>migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's 
>client just on a storage disk.
>For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a 
>move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what 
>about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore .
> 
>Did I need  to do :
> 1. A next storage  from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new 
>storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata  
>2. To  delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty)  3. To delete 
>the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt

Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now.

Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in your standard disk 
storage pool, which you are now migrating to tape. The reason you leave the dirmc disk 
pool in place is so that when you have to perform large-scale restores, the directory 
structure information is restored from disk; this is much faster than restoring from 
tape.

--
Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Berbee Information Networks
Office 262.521.5627  

Re: Dirmc question

[Stapleton, Mark]

Yes, but if you'll read my first reply, you want to leave the dirmc pool
in place. It enables *much* faster restores when you have to bring back
a lot of files (like an entire drive).

--
Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Berbee Information Networks
Office 262.521.5627  

>-Original Message-
>From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>Behalf Of Robert Ouzen
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:30 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Dirmc question
>
>Hi Mark
>
>Correct me if I am wrong you said that the information is also 
>stored in my standard disk stotage pool (after migration on 
>tape too). So after a move nodedata on my new storage pool on 
>disk I will not need anymore the dirmc parameter and the old 
>dirmc storage disk , all the information will be on the new 
>storage disk including the directory structure .
>
>Regards
>Ouzen Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>Behalf Of Stapleton, Mark
>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:12 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Dirmc question
>
>From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>Behalf Of Robert Ouzen
>>I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I 
>>migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's 
>>client just on a storage disk.
>>For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I 
>think to do a 
>>move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage 
>disk but what 
>>about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore .
>> 
>>Did I need  to do :
>> 1. A next storage  from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new 
>>storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move 
>nodedata 
>>2. To  delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty)  3. 
>To delete 
>>the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt
>
>Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now.
>
>Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in 
>your standard disk storage pool, which you are now migrating 
>to tape. The reason you leave the dirmc disk pool in place is 
>so that when you have to perform large-scale restores, the 
>directory structure information is restored from disk; this is 
>much faster than restoring from tape.
>
>--
>Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>Berbee Information Networks
>Office 262.521.5627  
>

Re: DIRMC question

[Dmitri Pasyutin]

On Tuesday 08 November 2005 15:11, Copperfield Adams wrote:
> I have a node which has all data bar 1 top-level directory and
> its contents bound to the default management class (2 year
> retention). I have a separate management class set up with a
> slightly longer retention policy for directories and have a
> DIRMC entry in the dsm.opt file to bind the dirs to this
> management class.
> There is one top-level directory and it's contents which is
> bound to a separate management class that will retain data for
> 7 years (I use an 'INCLUDE' in the opt file).
> Can anyone confirm that this directory and all it's subdirs
> (not the data within but the dirs) will be bound by the 7 year
> class and not by the DIRMC? In other words, if I delete some
> data (and dirs) from this directory, will the dirs still be
> available to restore after the 2 years (and upto 7 years)?

From the BA client documentation on DIRMC:

"If you specify a management class with this option, all
directories specified in a backup operation are bound to that
management class."

So my guess is NO, *every* directory object will be bound to
the DIRMC management class, including those in your top-level
directory. This means that (assuming this is a Windows/NTFS
client) if you restore the data after 2 years, the dirs will
be created on the client, but with default attributes
(permissions, etc), and you will lose any custom attributes
you may have applied to them.

OTOH, if you do *not* specify DIRMC, the directory objects will
be bound to the 7-year management class by default because it
has the longest retention period, and that also goes for *every*
directory (not just those in the top-level tree).

To be sure, verify with 'dsmc query backup' or with the restore
GUI.

Dmitri

Re: DIRMC Question

[Richard Sims]

> I have a question concerning *SM directories. Back in the early days of
>TSM we used the DIRMC option to put directories to disk rather that tape to
>avoid "thrashing" issues on the tape devices. We are now running TSM 3.7.3
>on OS/390 and I believe that the issue of having directories on tape has
>been addressed. My questions is this: How do I get the directories that
>currently reside in my disk storage pool back to tape?

Brian - You don't want the directories on tape: you are much better off with
them on disk (assuming that your client file system types are such
that the directory info *does* get stored in a storage pool, rather than
simply in the TSM db).  The issue of having directories on tape has been
addressed by Restore Order; but that's an optimizing solution for an all-tape
situation, not the best solution.  In the absence of DIRMc, the directories
for file systems such as NTFS (but not ordinary Unix file systems) will be
written to the management class with the longest retention period - which may
mean that your directories are not with your data.  Restore Order processing
will create surrogate directories until the actual directory information is
finally encountered on tape, whereupon the file system directories have to be
adjusted.  This can mean more mounts, and certainly a bunch of seek time.
All this slows your restoral.  Having the directories in a disk storage pool
obviously eliminates a lot of restoral overhead, and is to be preferred.
This is summarized in ADSM.QuickFacts, for continuing reference.
Richard Sims, BU

Re: dirmc question

[Jim Healy]

Jim,
 if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc
dirmc
dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management
class dirmc




"Jim Kirkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM

Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent by:  "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:

Subject:  dirmc question


I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have
read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management
class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a
client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got
it, dirmc.  I've associated some clients with said option set but I've
no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the
option set correctly, although the query looks good

 Optionset: DIRMC
  Option: DIRMC
Sequence number: 0
   Override: No
   Option Value: dirmc

any help appreciated



--
Jim Kirkman
AIS - Systems
UNC-Chapel Hill
966-5884

Re: dirmc question

[Scott McCambly]

Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC
option.

I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being
created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or
exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in
the TSM database.

I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point
directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools.

At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim,
> if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc
>dirmc
>dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management
>class dirmc
>
>
>
>
>"Jim Kirkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM
>
>Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Sent by:  "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>cc:
>
>Subject:  dirmc question
>
>
>I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have
>read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management
>class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a
>client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got
>it, dirmc.  I've associated some clients with said option set but I've
>no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the
>option set correctly, although the query looks good
>
> Optionset: DIRMC
>  Option: DIRMC
>Sequence number: 0
>   Override: No
>   Option Value: dirmc
>
>any help appreciated
>
>
>
>--
>Jim Kirkman
>AIS - Systems
>UNC-Chapel Hill
>966-5884
>
>
Scott McCambly
AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc.  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
(613)799-9269

Re: dirmc question

[David Longo]

When I use DIRMC with a separate mgmt class and stgpool, I see data
immediately in that pool after backup is run.  (Not a lot of GB of course,
but data is there). I have TSM server 4.2.1.10.

David Longo

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/02 12:21PM >>>
Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC
option.

I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being
created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or
exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in
the TSM database.

I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point
directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools.

At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim,
> if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc
>dirmc
>dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management
>class dirmc
>
>
>
>
>"Jim Kirkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM
>
>Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
>Sent by:  "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>cc:
>
>Subject:  dirmc question
>
>
>I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have
>read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management
>class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a
>client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got
>it, dirmc.  I've associated some clients with said option set but I've
>no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the
>option set correctly, although the query looks good
>
> Optionset: DIRMC
>  Option: DIRMC
>Sequence number: 0
>   Override: No
>   Option Value: dirmc
>
>any help appreciated
>
>
>
>--
>Jim Kirkman
>AIS - Systems
>UNC-Chapel Hill
>966-5884
>
>
Scott McCambly
AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc.  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
(613)799-9269



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Re: dirmc question

[Jim Kirkman]

Scott,

So, are you saying that the option value should read dirmc dirmc? I thought that
once would be enough, given that the only thing to specify with this option is
mgmt class.

Thanks


Scott McCambly wrote:

> Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC
> option.
>
> I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being
> created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or
> exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in
> the TSM database.
>
> I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point
> directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools.
>
> At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Jim,
> > if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc
> >dirmc
> >dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management
> >class dirmc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jim Kirkman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM
> >
> >Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Sent by:  "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >cc:
> >
> >Subject:  dirmc question
> >
> >
> >I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have
> >read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management
> >class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a
> >client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got
> >it, dirmc.  I've associated some clients with said option set but I've
> >no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the
> >option set correctly, although the query looks good
> >
> > Optionset: DIRMC
> >  Option: DIRMC
> >Sequence number: 0
> >   Override: No
> >   Option Value: dirmc
> >
> >any help appreciated
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Jim Kirkman
> >AIS - Systems
> >UNC-Chapel Hill
> >966-5884
> >
> >
> Scott McCambly
> AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc.  Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
> (613)799-9269

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Jim Kirkman
AIS - Systems
UNC-Chapel Hill
966-5884