Re: Dumb Exchange question
Anthony, you have writen a lot about goot backup experiences with Galaxy. May we assume you have had good experiences with (brick level) restore as well? regards Juraj Salak -Original Message- From: BURDEN,Anthony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dumb Exchange question Hi All I have to disagree about some things here, (not all). I run a large TSM site, Three TSM server's in production all Microsoft NT server clients etc, I like TSM, but we have removed TSM exchange backups to a product called Galaxy(Comvault), you should look at what it can do, and yes I know of some Microsoft offices using it too. The product supports both message level and db level backups and restores and has work very well, even during the migration from 5.5 to 2000. The speed in not to bad, maybe two hours for an incremental backup of messages on a 30 GB Db. The first capture I think was 7-8 hours. We run full DB backups as well each night as well. Its used daily here and there has been no problems for the last 10 months with regard to exchange service packs etc. I guess if there's a market for a product you have to supply it, and that's what others have done. That's all, But I must also say the TSM exchange connect agent works well, and we have used it many times for DB restores. Anthony. -Original Message- From: Mark Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2001 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dumb Exchange question On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:31:44 -0500, it was written: We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? Tivoli refuses to use non-Microsoft-standard APIs to do TSM work...for which I am eternally grateful. Using such non-standard stuff is what gets Legato, Veritas, and ArcServe in such hot water when an MS service pack or hot fix is applied. MS Exchange APIs do *not* support individual mailbox (brick-level) restores. What non-TSM backup apps use to get around this is (usually) the Exchange messaging API, which was *not* built for backups/restores and which are incredibly slow and buggy when used for such. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this e-mail is unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments.
Re: Dumb Exchange question
If you are referring to Exchange 5.5, then no. You still have to create a new server and dump the information store to it. If you are referring to Exchange 2000, then no... You need to set the retentions in Exchange 2000 to give you individual mail support (deletion) and mailbox deletion. Heads up if you are using Active Directory. Exchange 5.5 still touches the AD, and if the profile is damaged there then so is the mail.. Must be a Microsoft thing. Modify one area, and something unrelated it broken. Joe Cascanette -Original Message- From: Tyree, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dumb Exchange question We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? David Tyree Microcomputer Specialist South Georgia Medical Center 229.333.1155 Confidential Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: Dumb Exchange question
Hi All I have to disagree about some things here, (not all). I run a large TSM site, Three TSM server's in production all Microsoft NT server clients etc, I like TSM, but we have removed TSM exchange backups to a product called Galaxy(Comvault), you should look at what it can do, and yes I know of some Microsoft offices using it too. The product supports both message level and db level backups and restores and has work very well, even during the migration from 5.5 to 2000. The speed in not to bad, maybe two hours for an incremental backup of messages on a 30 GB Db. The first capture I think was 7-8 hours. We run full DB backups as well each night as well. Its used daily here and there has been no problems for the last 10 months with regard to exchange service packs etc. I guess if there's a market for a product you have to supply it, and that's what others have done. That's all, But I must also say the TSM exchange connect agent works well, and we have used it many times for DB restores. Anthony. -Original Message- From: Mark Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2001 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dumb Exchange question On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 13:31:44 -0500, it was written: We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? Tivoli refuses to use non-Microsoft-standard APIs to do TSM work...for which I am eternally grateful. Using such non-standard stuff is what gets Legato, Veritas, and ArcServe in such hot water when an MS service pack or hot fix is applied. MS Exchange APIs do *not* support individual mailbox (brick-level) restores. What non-TSM backup apps use to get around this is (usually) the Exchange messaging API, which was *not* built for backups/restores and which are incredibly slow and buggy when used for such. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and any attached files may be confidential information, and may also be the subject of legal professional privilege. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying of this e-mail is unauthorised. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments.
Dumb Exchange question
We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? David Tyree Microcomputer Specialist South Georgia Medical Center 229.333.1155 Confidential Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: Dumb Exchange question
TDP 2.2 doesn't backup individual mailbox. For each backup tool that perform this kind of operation backup are very, very, very slow. It have to be used only for VP mailboxes. There is a tools that can perform extract of Exchange DB to one PST file per mailbox. (Xmerge) You can use this tools to backup some mailboxes. And then backup PST thru TSM as flat file. Regards, Eric -Original Message- From: Tyree, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 7:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dumb Exchange question We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? David Tyree Microcomputer Specialist South Georgia Medical Center 229.333.1155 Confidential Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: Dumb Exchange question: Not Dumb, just a MS-requirement
YEP you do. And it gets worse with Active Directory. But, Tivoli is not the folks that say mailbox recovery products are bad. Microsoft says so. Until they provide the proper API, nothing will likely happen in TSM. The interface that some vendors are using to do this requires that you backup all the mailboxes and takes forever. So, if you have 1000s of mailboxes on an Exchange server, it isn't going to happen. Some customers are using these tools to backup executive's mailboxes. -Original Message- From: Tyree, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Dumb Exchange question We will be upgrading to the new TDP for Exchange 2.2 from version 1.1 some time after the first of the year and we are wondering if the newer version supports individual mailbox recovery. I know the 1.1 version didn't easily support mailbox recovery, you had to build a new Exchange box, dump an entire database restore to it and then export the mailbox back to the production system. Do will still need to jump through all the same hoops again to restore a mailbox in version 2.2?? David Tyree Microcomputer Specialist South Georgia Medical Center 229.333.1155 Confidential Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
