Re: IP over FC on AIX
Brocade for sure can. Both HP and IBM have OEMed it and in PDFs on their sites you can see that the switch even allows in-band SNMP management. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: IP over FC on AIX Umm...re: the attached...that depends on the switch. The FC/9000 (IBM2042) and (I believe) the Brocades (2109's) will pass IP over fibre. Not sure about the McData's. -Lloyd On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:24:13 +0200 Daniel Sparrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sending IP traffic over your SAN will at least make your SAN switches confused, as I believe that they do not talk IP, only SCSI commands. -- - Lloyd Dieter- Senior Technology Consultant Synergy, Inc. http://www.synergyinc.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main:716-389-1260fax:716-389-1267 -
Re: IP over FC on AIX
From what I recall, the FC6228 cards do NOT support IP over FC. The Emulex LP8000 cards/drivers, however, indicate that they do support this, but not concurrently with the FC/SCSI...it's one or the other, and if you load both drivers, whichever one gets bound to the card first wins. I have not tried the LP8000's in an AIX machine, and I believe there was some unhappiness posted to this list from some people who were trying to get it to work. -Lloyd On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:02:02 -0700 Alex Paschal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel, I hate to disagree, but at the URL included below, there are some drivers that support IP over the FC Arbitrated Loop or Fabric for the LP HBAs. I was days away from trying it some time ago, but our networking group finally installed Ethernet segments in addition to the main Token Ring segments (!), so I didn't have a real need to move that IP traffic onto the SAN. Steve, if you try it, please let us know how they work. Also, remember to massage your routing table! Alex Paschal Storage Administrator Freightliner, LLC (503) 745-6850 phone/vmail Quote from http://www.emulex.com/ts/fc/docs/frame8k.htm: SCSI/IP v4.1.0.16 Both versions provide both SCSI and IP functionality over Fibre Channel arbitrated loop and fabric topology. OS version: AIX 4.2x and 4.3x with 64-bit extensions Utility: Diagnostic Utility (lputil) version 1.2a16 Protocol: SCSI and IP Topology: Fibre Channel arbitrated loop, point-to-point and fabric Support: LP7000E, LP8000, LP9000 or LP9002L -Original Message- From: Daniel Sparrman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IP over FC on AIX Hi The Emulex adapter that you are using supports both ordinary Ethernet FC connetion over IP, and FCP connections over a SAN. However, you cannot use the IP protocol to talk directly over the SAN, as the SAN only talks SCSI commands. However, you can use the IBM drivers supplied, a Tivoli Storage Agent, and SAN attached storage (tape) devices to backup your data over the SAN. Remeber that only large files can fully utilize the SAN. Small files will cause a lot of meta data to be sent over the ordinary LAN, which makes it unnecessary to send data over the SAN at all. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 HÄGERNÄS Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-04-16 02:31 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:IP over FC on AIX Hi all, I'm in the process of adding SAN capability to my RS6000 Wide Silver node TSM server (AIX 433-09, TSM 4.2.1.8) As part of this I'd like to switch some TSM backups from the general network to IP over the san. This will take the router out of the equation and get our backups back into their window. Problem is that I can't find any IP drivers for the FC adapter ( 2Gb adapter for 64 bit PCI bus type 4-W). My research indicates that I need to go away from the IBM supplied drivers and install Emulex ones. Has anyone got this working, and if so how? Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Quuensland Health, Brisbane Australia ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- - Lloyd Dieter- Senior Technology Consultant Synergy, Inc. http://www.synergyinc.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main:716-389-1260fax:716-389-1267 -
Re: IP over FC on AIX
Hi Sending IP traffic over your SAN will at least make your SAN switches confused, as I believe that they do not talk IP, only SCSI commands. I have installed two Emulex LP8000 adapters in an IBM P-Series 640. You cannot use the IBM drivers for the Emulex card, as there are no drivers for the LP8000, only for LP7000 and LP9000. Bull has drivers, but they won't work with IBM AIX, as Bull is at level 4.3.3.1 and I think IBM is still at 4.3.3.09. When installed, the default value was FC Networking. When starting up the machine, we didn't get a link on the LP8000. However, after we had changed the setting to use FC-SCSI, the adapter worked correctly. Our problem was that the LP8000 couldn't talk to an 3584, as the tape driver talks FCP native, and the LP8000 talks SCSI down to the HBA. When we tried to install the IBM driver instead, the adapter driver couldn't load. After talking to both Emulex and IBM, we found out that IBM has changed the memory addresses for the adapter, and therefore, the IBM driver will not work with a native LP8000 adapter and vice versa. Hope you get IP traffice to work through your SAN switches. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 HÄGERNÄS Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Lloyd Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-04-18 16:12 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: IP over FC on AIX From what I recall, the FC6228 cards do NOT support IP over FC. The Emulex LP8000 cards/drivers, however, indicate that they do support this, but not concurrently with the FC/SCSI...it's one or the other, and if you load both drivers, whichever one gets bound to the card first wins. I have not tried the LP8000's in an AIX machine, and I believe there was some unhappiness posted to this list from some people who were trying to get it to work. -Lloyd On Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:02:02 -0700 Alex Paschal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel, I hate to disagree, but at the URL included below, there are some drivers that support IP over the FC Arbitrated Loop or Fabric for the LP HBAs. I was days away from trying it some time ago, but our networking group finally installed Ethernet segments in addition to the main Token Ring segments (!), so I didn't have a real need to move that IP traffic onto the SAN. Steve, if you try it, please let us know how they work. Also, remember to massage your routing table! Alex Paschal Storage Administrator Freightliner, LLC (503) 745-6850 phone/vmail Quote from http://www.emulex.com/ts/fc/docs/frame8k.htm: SCSI/IP v4.1.0.16 Both versions provide both SCSI and IP functionality over Fibre Channel arbitrated loop and fabric topology. OS version: AIX 4.2x and 4.3x with 64-bit extensions Utility: Diagnostic Utility (lputil) version 1.2a16 Protocol: SCSI and IP Topology: Fibre Channel arbitrated loop, point-to-point and fabric Support: LP7000E, LP8000, LP9000 or LP9002L -Original Message- From: Daniel Sparrman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IP over FC on AIX Hi The Emulex adapter that you are using supports both ordinary Ethernet FC connetion over IP, and FCP connections over a SAN. However, you cannot use the IP protocol to talk directly over the SAN, as the SAN only talks SCSI commands. However, you can use the IBM drivers supplied, a Tivoli Storage Agent, and SAN attached storage (tape) devices to backup your data over the SAN. Remeber that only large files can fully utilize the SAN. Small files will cause a lot of meta data to be sent over the ordinary LAN, which makes it unnecessary to send data over the SAN at all. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 HÄGERNÄS Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-04-16 02:31 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:IP over FC on AIX Hi all, I'm in the process of adding SAN capability to my RS6000 Wide Silver node TSM server (AIX 433-09, TSM 4.2.1.8) As part of this I'd like to switch some TSM backups from the general network to IP over the san. This will take the router out of the equation and get our backups back into their window. Problem is that I can't find any IP drivers for the FC adapter ( 2Gb adapter for 64 bit PCI bus type 4-W). My research indicates that I need to go away from the IBM supplied drivers and install Emulex ones. Has anyone got
Re: IP over FC on AIX
Umm...re: the attached...that depends on the switch. The FC/9000 (IBM2042) and (I believe) the Brocades (2109's) will pass IP over fibre. Not sure about the McData's. -Lloyd On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:24:13 +0200 Daniel Sparrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sending IP traffic over your SAN will at least make your SAN switches confused, as I believe that they do not talk IP, only SCSI commands. -- - Lloyd Dieter- Senior Technology Consultant Synergy, Inc. http://www.synergyinc.cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Main:716-389-1260fax:716-389-1267 -
Re: IP over FC on AIX
Daniel, I hate to disagree, but at the URL included below, there are some drivers that support IP over the FC Arbitrated Loop or Fabric for the LP HBAs. I was days away from trying it some time ago, but our networking group finally installed Ethernet segments in addition to the main Token Ring segments (!), so I didn't have a real need to move that IP traffic onto the SAN. Steve, if you try it, please let us know how they work. Also, remember to massage your routing table! Alex Paschal Storage Administrator Freightliner, LLC (503) 745-6850 phone/vmail Quote from http://www.emulex.com/ts/fc/docs/frame8k.htm: SCSI/IP v4.1.0.16 Both versions provide both SCSI and IP functionality over Fibre Channel arbitrated loop and fabric topology. OS version: AIX 4.2x and 4.3x with 64-bit extensions Utility: Diagnostic Utility (lputil) version 1.2a16 Protocol: SCSI and IP Topology: Fibre Channel arbitrated loop, point-to-point and fabric Support: LP7000E, LP8000, LP9000 or LP9002L -Original Message- From: Daniel Sparrman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: IP over FC on AIX Hi The Emulex adapter that you are using supports both ordinary Ethernet FC connetion over IP, and FCP connections over a SAN. However, you cannot use the IP protocol to talk directly over the SAN, as the SAN only talks SCSI commands. However, you can use the IBM drivers supplied, a Tivoli Storage Agent, and SAN attached storage (tape) devices to backup your data over the SAN. Remeber that only large files can fully utilize the SAN. Small files will cause a lot of meta data to be sent over the ordinary LAN, which makes it unnecessary to send data over the SAN at all. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 HÄGERNÄS Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-04-16 02:31 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:IP over FC on AIX Hi all, I'm in the process of adding SAN capability to my RS6000 Wide Silver node TSM server (AIX 433-09, TSM 4.2.1.8) As part of this I'd like to switch some TSM backups from the general network to IP over the san. This will take the router out of the equation and get our backups back into their window. Problem is that I can't find any IP drivers for the FC adapter ( 2Gb adapter for 64 bit PCI bus type 4-W). My research indicates that I need to go away from the IBM supplied drivers and install Emulex ones. Has anyone got this working, and if so how? Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Quuensland Health, Brisbane Australia ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. **
Re: IP over FC on AIX
Hi The Emulex adapter that you are using supports both ordinary Ethernet FC connetion over IP, and FCP connections over a SAN. However, you cannot use the IP protocol to talk directly over the SAN, as the SAN only talks SCSI commands. However, you can use the IBM drivers supplied, a Tivoli Storage Agent, and SAN attached storage (tape) devices to backup your data over the SAN. Remeber that only large files can fully utilize the SAN. Small files will cause a lot of meta data to be sent over the ordinary LAN, which makes it unnecessary to send data over the SAN at all. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 HÄGERNÄS Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Steve Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2002-04-16 02:31 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:IP over FC on AIX Hi all, I'm in the process of adding SAN capability to my RS6000 Wide Silver node TSM server (AIX 433-09, TSM 4.2.1.8) As part of this I'd like to switch some TSM backups from the general network to IP over the san. This will take the router out of the equation and get our backups back into their window. Problem is that I can't find any IP drivers for the FC adapter ( 2Gb adapter for 64 bit PCI bus type 4-W). My research indicates that I need to go away from the IBM supplied drivers and install Emulex ones. Has anyone got this working, and if so how? Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Quuensland Health, Brisbane Australia ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. **
IP over FC on AIX
Hi all, I'm in the process of adding SAN capability to my RS6000 Wide Silver node TSM server (AIX 433-09, TSM 4.2.1.8) As part of this I'd like to switch some TSM backups from the general network to IP over the san. This will take the router out of the equation and get our backups back into their window. Problem is that I can't find any IP drivers for the FC adapter ( 2Gb adapter for 64 bit PCI bus type 4-W). My research indicates that I need to go away from the IBM supplied drivers and install Emulex ones. Has anyone got this working, and if so how? Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Quuensland Health, Brisbane Australia ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. **
