Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Marouf, Nick]

Same here, one policy set per domain. 

-Nick

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Richard Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:08 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

We use one policy set per domain.  We haven't come across a need for more than 
that.

Rick



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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Prather, Wanda
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:22 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple policysets 
like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them back and 
forth.

I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
inactive copy.

The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.

Can I get some feedback on what other people do?

Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case for 
having multiples?

Thank you!!!

Wanda




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Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Richard Rhodes]

We use one policy set per domain.  We haven't come across a need for more than 
that.

Rick



-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Prather, Wanda
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:22 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple policysets 
like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them back and 
forth.

I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
inactive copy.

The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.

Can I get some feedback on what other people do?

Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case for 
having multiples?

Thank you!!!

Wanda




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Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Colwell, William F.]

I have 2 policysets in each domain.  They are identical except for the 
copygroup destination
parameter.

This is the design I came up with to implement 6.1 with dedup.  Backups come 
into an ingest
pool on hi-speed disk (bkp_1a) while policyset set_a is active.  At 5 am, a 
schedule/script
activates policyset set_b so that sessions for the next 24 hours will write to 
pool bkp_1b.

After the switch, more schedules/scripts do id dup, copypooling and migration 
so that pool bkp_1a
is empty and ready for the next policyset flip.

That was the theory.  Unfortunately, the server resources couldn't keep up.  
And migrated volumes
weren't deleted because of the whole dereferenced chunk problem set.

I still do the policyset flip/flop (on 4 servers), but id dup runs continuously 
and 
copypooling runs many times a day.

Bill Colwell
Draper lab

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Prather, Wanda
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:22 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple policysets 
like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them back and 
forth.

I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
inactive copy.

The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.

Can I get some feedback on what other people do?

Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case for 
having multiples?

Thank you!!!

Wanda




**Please note new office phone:
Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com  |  
www.icfi.com<http://www.icfi.com> | 410-868-4872 (m)
ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md 
|443-718-4900 (o)

Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Nick Laflamme]

I’ve never been at a site that used more than one policy set. 

But if I had been at either of two sites that had to implement infinite “legal 
holds” when that order actually came, I’d have used a new policy set to do 
exactly that. That’s the only situation in which I’d use that option.

Nick

On Jan 31, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Prather, Wanda  wrote:

> The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
> I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple 
> policysets like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them 
> back and forth.
> 
> I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
> All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
> inactive copy.
> 
> The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.
> 
> Can I get some feedback on what other people do?
> 
> Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case 
> for having multiples?
> 
> Thank you!!!
> 
> Wanda
> 
> 
> 
> 
> **Please note new office phone:
> Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com  |  
> www.icfi.com | 410-868-4872 (m)
> ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md 
> |443-718-4900 (o)

Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Bill Boyer]

Only come across a need once in >16-years of working with *SM. This customer
wanted to do periodic "full" backups. So I had a policy set with set to the
default MODE=MODIFIED and another set to MODE=ABSOLUTE. They would activate
the "full" policy set when they wanted to do the complete refresh. And then
re-active the incremental policy set. I explained all the downsides to this,
but the manager said he had experience with TSM and wanted the full so that
all the data for the servers would be somewhat collocated again on the tapes
without having to do collocation.

That was the only time or reason I saw for multiple policy sets in a domain.


Bill
"Everyday is a Holiday. Every Formation a Parade. Every Meal a feast.. And.
Every Village has their idiot.." - ?



-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
Prather, Wanda
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:22 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple
policysets like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them
back and forth.

I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to
me.
All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and
inactive copy.

The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.

Can I get some feedback on what other people do?

Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case
for having multiples?

Thank you!!!

Wanda




**Please note new office phone:
Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com  |
www.icfi.com<http://www.icfi.com> | 410-868-4872 (m) ICF International  |
7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md |443-718-4900 (o)

Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Skylar Thompson]

Ah, that's a great idea. I've always captured the old settings to a file
before making changes, but this makes it much faster and more reliable to
recover.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 04:48:25PM -0500, Andrew Raibeck wrote:
> Hi Wanda,
>
> Scenario 1: I am making multiple changes to my policy set. However, in case
> I mess something up, I'll first make a backup copy (of the inactive policy
> set) which will let me throw away my changes if I mess something up.
>
>copy policyset standard standard standard_2014-01-31
>
> Scenario 1a: Alternative to the first scenario: I'll make a copy of the
> policy set, then make my changes to the new copy. I'll have the original
> one lying around in case I need to revert.
>
>copy policyset standard ps_2013-12-20 ps_2014-01-31
>
> Scenario 2: I am going to activate my latest policy set. However, in case
> something goes wrong and I need to revert, I'll make a backup copy of the
> active policy set first:
>
>copy policyset standard active active_bkup
>activate policyset standard ps_2014-01-31
>
> Best regards,
>
> - Andy
>
> 
>
> Andrew Raibeck | Tivoli Storage Manager Level 3 Technical Lead |
> stor...@us.ibm.com
>
> IBM Tivoli Storage Manager links:
> Product support:
> http://www.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/Overview/Software/Tivoli/Tivoli_Storage_Manager
>
> Online documentation:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
> +Documentation+Central/page/Tivoli+Storage+Manager
> Product Wiki:
> https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
> +Storage+Manager/page/Home
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 2014-01-31
> 16:22:13:
>
> > From: "Prather, Wanda" 
> > To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu,
> > Date: 2014-01-31 16:23
> > Subject: Informal Poll:  General question about use of policysets
> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 
> >
> > The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
> > I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple
> > policysets like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and
> > switch them back and forth.
> >
> > I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing
> to me.
> > All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active
> > and inactive copy.
> >
> > The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.
> >
> > Can I get some feedback on what other people do?
> >
> > Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your
> > use case for having multiples?
> >
> > Thank you!!!
> >
> > Wanda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **Please note new office phone:
> > Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com
> |
> > www.icfi.com<http://www.icfi.com> | 410-868-4872 (m)
> > ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md
> > |443-718-4900 (o)
> >

--
-- Skylar Thompson (skyl...@u.washington.edu)
-- Genome Sciences Department, System Administrator
-- Foege Building S046, (206)-685-7354
-- University of Washington School of Medicine

Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Andrew Raibeck]

Hi Wanda,

Scenario 1: I am making multiple changes to my policy set. However, in case
I mess something up, I'll first make a backup copy (of the inactive policy
set) which will let me throw away my changes if I mess something up.

   copy policyset standard standard standard_2014-01-31

Scenario 1a: Alternative to the first scenario: I'll make a copy of the
policy set, then make my changes to the new copy. I'll have the original
one lying around in case I need to revert.

   copy policyset standard ps_2013-12-20 ps_2014-01-31

Scenario 2: I am going to activate my latest policy set. However, in case
something goes wrong and I need to revert, I'll make a backup copy of the
active policy set first:

   copy policyset standard active active_bkup
   activate policyset standard ps_2014-01-31

Best regards,

- Andy



Andrew Raibeck | Tivoli Storage Manager Level 3 Technical Lead |
stor...@us.ibm.com

IBM Tivoli Storage Manager links:
Product support:
http://www.ibm.com/support/entry/portal/Overview/Software/Tivoli/Tivoli_Storage_Manager

Online documentation:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
+Documentation+Central/page/Tivoli+Storage+Manager
Product Wiki:
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/wikis/home/wiki/Tivoli
+Storage+Manager/page/Home

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 2014-01-31
16:22:13:

> From: "Prather, Wanda" 
> To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu,
> Date: 2014-01-31 16:23
> Subject: Informal Poll:  General question about use of policysets
> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" 
>
> The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
> I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple
> policysets like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and
> switch them back and forth.
>
> I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing
to me.
> All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active
> and inactive copy.
>
> The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.
>
> Can I get some feedback on what other people do?
>
> Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your
> use case for having multiples?
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> Wanda
>
>
>
>
> **Please note new office phone:
> Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com
|
> www.icfi.com<http://www.icfi.com> | 410-868-4872 (m)
> ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md
> |443-718-4900 (o)
>

Re: Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Skylar Thompson]

We have the minimal STANDARD (writable) and ACTIVE policysets for our
domains. Domains are assigned by billable unit (lab, institute, cost
center, etc.).

I've never come up with a purpose for multiple policysets, so I also would
be curious to know if one exists.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 09:22:13PM +, Prather, Wanda wrote:
> The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
> I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple 
> policysets like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them 
> back and forth.
>
> I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
> All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
> inactive copy.
>
> The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.
>
> Can I get some feedback on what other people do?
>
> Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case 
> for having multiples?
>
> Thank you!!!
>
> Wanda
>
>
>
>
> **Please note new office phone:
> Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com  |  
> www.icfi.com | 410-868-4872 (m)
> ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md 
> |443-718-4900 (o)

--
-- Skylar Thompson (skyl...@u.washington.edu)
-- Genome Sciences Department, System Administrator
-- Foege Building S046, (206)-685-7354
-- University of Washington School of Medicine

Informal Poll: General question about use of policysets

[Prather, Wanda]

The TSM books show that you can have multiple policysets per domain.
I don't mean just the active vs inactive, but you can have multiple policysets 
like NORMAL, OFFHOUR, WEEKEND, within one domain, and switch them back and 
forth.

I've never done that, or had a reason to.  Seems inordinately confusing to me.
All my customers just have one policyset per domain, with the active and 
inactive copy.

The inactive is the one you update, then you validate it and activate it.

Can I get some feedback on what other people do?

Do you have just one unique policyset per domain?  Or what is your use case for 
having multiples?

Thank you!!!

Wanda




**Please note new office phone:
Wanda Prather  |  Senior Technical Specialist  | wanda.prat...@icfi.com  |  
www.icfi.com | 410-868-4872 (m)
ICF International  | 7125 Thomas Edison Dr., Suite 100, Columbia, Md 
|443-718-4900 (o)