Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I discussed this further at Share with the Product Manager. There is still
not a market there for this functionality in the SUN/ESS combination. In
fact, there is little market for the SUN/EMC and AIX/ESS combinations. That
is why they have not pursued. Veritas only has EMC Timefinder support and
only then because apparently EMC wrote it.
The bottom line, if you want it you need to contact your Tivoli Marketing
Rep.
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From: Zlatko Krastev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 4:23 AM
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Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
If a customer wants to buy AIX box or ESS most of the times he/she will
prefer to get the other instead of going into multi-vendor implementation.
If Sun allow customers to get ESS attached to their boxes too often they may
also loose box sales. For this reasons AIX/ESS and Sun/EMC are usually
bundled together. AIX/EMC or Sun/ESS are much more rarely used. I've not
seen any market research what is the percentage of AIX/ESS vs. Sun/ESS or
Sun/EMC vs. Sun/ESS but would expect it can be 8:1 or similar. It was
already pointed in this thread that sales of TDP for EMC/Sun or TDP for
ESS/AIX are not so high. And we cannot expect efforts to be wasted on less
prospective area. Paul, had you any success with product development manager
?
Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant
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Tivoli has sold so few copies of this that they have no justification to
develop the other options right now. I need the ESS/Solaris option. Maybe
the prevalence of SAN now will change this story. I will talk to the
product development manager again tomorrow about this issue.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Mansfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I thought the restriction was that both the Production database server and
Backup server (where the BCVs get mounted) had to be Solaris, but that the
TSM server could be on a third server of any type.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Denis L'Huillier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Jason,
I completely agree with you.
The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC. But, I
think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus running
on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is the
preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not
the fact that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with
TDP for EMC if TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enterprise Storage Forms ->
http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
J Bamford
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Stor Manager"
Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder
function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an EMC/Sun
solution represented the larger market share of what customer have
installed.
ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix
sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions.
Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first. If
people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software for
there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon then
!!
There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one
wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration, and
no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe.
Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I
understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers. There
has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space.
The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy.
Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the market
before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while aft
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
If a customer wants to buy AIX box or ESS most of the times he/she will
prefer to get the other instead of going into multi-vendor implementation.
If Sun allow customers to get ESS attached to their boxes too often they
may also loose box sales.
For this reasons AIX/ESS and Sun/EMC are usually bundled together. AIX/EMC
or Sun/ESS are much more rarely used. I've not seen any market research
what is the percentage of AIX/ESS vs. Sun/ESS or Sun/EMC vs. Sun/ESS but
would expect it can be 8:1 or similar.
It was already pointed in this thread that sales of TDP for EMC/Sun or TDP
for ESS/AIX are not so high. And we cannot expect efforts to be wasted on
less prospective area.
Paul, had you any success with product development manager ?
Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant
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Tivoli has sold so few copies of this that they have no justification to
develop the other options right now. I need the ESS/Solaris option.
Maybe
the prevalence of SAN now will change this story. I will talk to the
product development manager again tomorrow about this issue.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Mansfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I thought the restriction was that both the Production database server and
Backup server (where the BCVs get mounted) had to be Solaris, but that the
TSM server could be on a third server of any type.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Denis L'Huillier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Jason,
I completely agree with you.
The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC. But,
I
think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus running
on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is the
preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not
the fact that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with
TDP for EMC if TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enterprise Storage Forms ->
http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
J Bamford
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Backups - Feedback?
Dist Stor
Manager"
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03/05/2002 10:18
AM
Please respond
to "ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder
function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an
EMC/Sun
solution represented the larger market share of what customer have
installed.
ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix
sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions.
Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first.
If
people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software
for
there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon
then
!!
There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one
wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration,
and
no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe.
Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I
understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers.
There
has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space.
The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy.
Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the
market
before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's
hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing
take time.
Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore
apart
from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to
show
it working and give hands on to those who want to know more.
Jason
PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp.
- Original Message -
From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups -
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?: TDP for Solaris/EMC/Oracle, how it works
I do not know how this perception got going, but I will see if I can straighten it out. The TDP for Solaris/EMC for Oracle has nothing to do with the TSM Server OS. The TDP runs on the Solaris machine and uses either the LAN client to send the data over the network to the TSM server or the SAN Agent directly to the tape drives. Remember RMAN is what drives the backup here. It calls the module that communicates to TSM APIs. Of course the TSM Server can reside on the Solaris box. I think the confusion here is surrounding who is going to read the data that TimeFinder creates. Either the original Solaris machine or another Solaris machine has to read it. It cannot be an AIX machine. I hope this helps. If I am wrong, someone straighten me out. Maybe, these misconceptions are the reason why no one is buying the stuff. -Original Message- From: Denis L'Huillier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Jason, I completely agree with you. The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC. But, I think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus running on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is the preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not the fact that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with TDP for EMC if TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html J Bamford cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 03/05/2002 10:18 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an EMC/Sun solution represented the larger market share of what customer have installed. ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions. Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first. If people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software for there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon then !! There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration, and no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe. Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers. There has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space. The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy. Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the market before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing take time. Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore apart from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to show it working and give hands on to those who want to know more. Jason PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp. - Original Message - From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Also, as an fyi... > Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported > when TSM is running on an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's > actually only supported for Oracle > databases running on a > Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors > usually make things work for their products first then make it > compatible with other systems? I think IBM/Tivoli forgot to get > together on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be > accurate... The > TDP for EMC Oracle is used > only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS > flash copy). So, to use the TDP you can do online backups of a copied > volume... h... no thanks. > > Regards, > > Denis L. L'Huiller > 973-360-7739 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enterprise Storage Forms -> > http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html > > > > J Bamford >
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Tivoli has sold so few copies of this that they have no justification to
develop the other options right now. I need the ESS/Solaris option. Maybe
the prevalence of SAN now will change this story. I will talk to the
product development manager again tomorrow about this issue.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Mansfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I thought the restriction was that both the Production database server and
Backup server (where the BCVs get mounted) had to be Solaris, but that the
TSM server could be on a third server of any type.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Denis L'Huillier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Jason,
I completely agree with you.
The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC. But, I
think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus running
on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is the
preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not
the fact that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with
TDP for EMC if TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enterprise Storage Forms ->
http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
J Bamford
cc:
Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE
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Dist Stor
Manager"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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AM
Please respond
to "ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder
function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an EMC/Sun
solution represented the larger market share of what customer have
installed.
ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix
sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions.
Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first. If
people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software for
there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon then
!!
There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one
wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration, and
no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe.
Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I
understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers. There
has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space.
The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy.
Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the market
before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's
hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing
take time.
Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore apart
from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to show
it working and give hands on to those who want to know more.
Jason
PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp.
- Original Message -
From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
> Also, as an fyi...
> Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported
> when TSM is running on an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's
> actually only supported for
Oracle
> databases running on a
> Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors
> usually make things work for their products first then make it
> compatible with other systems? I
think
> IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together
> on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be
> accurate...
The
> TDP for EMC Oracle is used
> only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS
> flash copy). So, to use the TDP you can do online backups of a copied
> volume... h... no thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Denis L. L'Huiller
> 973-360-7739
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Enterprise Storage Forms ->
> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
>
>
>
>
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I thought the restriction was that both the Production database server and
Backup server (where the BCVs get mounted) had to be Solaris, but that the
TSM server could be on a third server of any type.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Denis L'Huillier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
03/05/2002 09:29 AM
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Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Jason,
I completely agree with you.
The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC.
But, I think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus
running on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is
the
preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not
the fact
that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with TDP for
EMC if
TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enterprise Storage Forms ->
http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
J Bamford
cc:
Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE
Backups - Feedback?
Dist Stor
Manager"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
T.EDU>
03/05/2002 10:18
AM
Please respond
to "ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder
function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an
EMC/Sun
solution represented the larger market share of what customer have
installed.
ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix
sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions.
Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first.
If
people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software
for
there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon
then
!!
There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one
wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration,
and
no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe.
Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I
understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers.
There has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this
space.
The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy.
Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the
market
before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's
hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing
take time.
Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore
apart
from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to
show
it working and give hands on to those who want to know more.
Jason
PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp.
- Original Message -
From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
> Also, as an fyi...
> Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when
> TSM is running on
> an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for
Oracle
> databases running on a
> Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors
> usually make things work for
> their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I
think
> IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together
> on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate...
The
> TDP for EMC Oracle is used
> only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash
> copy). So, to use the TDP you can
> do online backups of a copied volume... h... no thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Denis L. L'Huiller
> 973-360-7739
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Enterprise Storage Forms ->
> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
>
>
>
> J Bamford
> DER.CO.UK> cc:
> Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE
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> Dist Stor
> Manager"
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>
>
> 03/05/2002 05:14
> AM
> Please respond
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Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
The reason they didn't develop this for AIX first is because TSM is developed for the broadest user community first. Everybody knows EMC and Solaris is practically inseparable. -- Joshua S. Bassi Sr. Solutions Architect @ rs-unix.com IBM Certified - AIX/HACMP, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant- ADSM/TSM Cell (415) 215-0326 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Denis L'Huillier Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Also, as an fyi... Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when TSM is running on an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for Oracle databases running on a Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors usually make things work for their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I think IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate... The TDP for EMC Oracle is used only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash copy). So, to use the TDP you can do online backups of a copied volume... h... no thanks. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html J Bamford cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 03/05/2002 05:14 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I think a little clarification is needed. LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN. Also the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN. I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder function that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other products do not have this limitation. I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not effect LAN-free as a whole. Jason Bamford Tivoli Software Pan-EMEA Storage Product Specialist IBM Certified Specialist - AIX Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional - Original Message - From: "Jozef Zatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Petur, > you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of > configuration. Is it true??? > According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something > special with Connectrix? > Or am I missing something? > > Ing. Jozef Zatko > Login a.s. > Dlha 2, Stupava > tel.: (421) (2) 60252618 > > > > > Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 05.03.2002 09:42 > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > hi Denis > > if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats > spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not > youre > restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have > lost > 75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that > relay > matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same. > > This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out. > > > Kvedja/Regards > Petur Eythorsson > Taeknimadur/Technician > IBM Certified Specialist - AIX > Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional > Microsoft Certified System Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700 > Borgartun 37 105 Iceland > URL:http://www.nyherji.is > > > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Denis L'Huillier > Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > Hello, > We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our > environment. > I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs. > the > LAN/WAN but > am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and > EMC > Connectrix Environment. > Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment? > Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to > impl
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Jason, I completely agree with you. The majority of our databases are running on Solaris attached to EMC. But, I think that the percentage of TSM Servers running on Solaris versus running on AIX is a lot more for AIX. I would venture to say that AIX is the preferred operating system for TSM. This, I feel is the limitation. Not the fact that it's Solaris only, but the fact that TSM will not work with TDP for EMC if TSM is running on AIX. It has to be running on Solaris. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html J Bamford cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 03/05/2002 10:18 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an EMC/Sun solution represented the larger market share of what customer have installed. ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions. Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first. If people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software for there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon then !! There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration, and no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe. Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers. There has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space. The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy. Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the market before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing take time. Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore apart from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to show it working and give hands on to those who want to know more. Jason PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp. - Original Message - From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Also, as an fyi... > Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when > TSM is running on > an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for Oracle > databases running on a > Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors > usually make things work for > their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I think > IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together > on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate... The > TDP for EMC Oracle is used > only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash > copy). So, to use the TDP you can > do online backups of a copied volume... h... no thanks. > > Regards, > > Denis L. L'Huiller > 973-360-7739 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enterprise Storage Forms -> > http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html > > > > J Bamford > DER.CO.UK> cc: > Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Dist Stor > Manager" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > T.EDU> > > > 03/05/2002 05:14 > AM > Please respond > to "ADSM: Dist > Stor Manager" > > > > > > > I think a little clarification is needed. > > LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN. Also > the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN. > > I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder function > that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other products > do not have this limitation. > > I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not effect > LAN-fre
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Yes I believe when Tivoli looked at the development of the Timefinder function they looked at the market first. It was concluded that an EMC/Sun solution represented the larger market share of what customer have installed. ie there are more EMC/Sun installed sites than there are EMC/Aix sites.Mainly because Aix sites tend to be IBM disk solutions. Therefore if you wnat to sell a product, develop for the majority first. If people like it and want it so make some more ! Vendors do make software for there own products, so hopefully I see you purchasing lots of ESS soon then !! There's little point in doing costly developing for a product that no one wants. Yes the TDP for EMC has a VERY limited scole for configuration, and no RS/6000 isn't in there I believe. Specific products like this tend to be demand driven. From what I understand the current TDP/EMC saw a very limited uptake by customers. There has also been little demand to expand is platform coverage in this space. The TDP for EMC was also on the market before the TDP for ESS/Flashcopy. Thinking back I believe that is because EMC had the timefinder on the market before IBM/ESS and flashcopy. It was a while after before Tivoli got it's hands on working Flashcopy to do any sort of development, and these thing take time. Back to the original point LAN-Free with TSM works backup and restore apart from the above, and I'm running a 2 day workshop in the UK next week to show it working and give hands on to those who want to know more. Jason PS. These are my personal views and not that of IBM or Tivoli Corp. - Original Message - From: "Denis L'Huillier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:37 PM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Also, as an fyi... > Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when > TSM is running on > an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for Oracle > databases running on a > Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors > usually make things work for > their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I think > IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together > on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate... The > TDP for EMC Oracle is used > only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash > copy). So, to use the TDP you can > do online backups of a copied volume... h... no thanks. > > Regards, > > Denis L. L'Huiller > 973-360-7739 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enterprise Storage Forms -> > http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html > > > > J Bamford > DER.CO.UK> cc: > Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Dist Stor > Manager" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > T.EDU> > > > 03/05/2002 05:14 > AM > Please respond > to "ADSM: Dist > Stor Manager" > > > > > > > I think a little clarification is needed. > > LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN. Also > the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN. > > I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder function > that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other products > do not have this limitation. > > I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not effect > LAN-free as a whole. > > Jason Bamford > Tivoli Software > Pan-EMEA Storage Product Specialist > IBM Certified Specialist - AIX > Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional > > - Original Message - > From: "Jozef Zatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > > Petur, > > you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of > > configuration. Is it true??? > > According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something > > special with Connectrix? > > Or am I missing something? > > > > Ing. Jozef Zatko > > Login a.s. > > Dlha 2, Stupava > > tel.: (421) (2) 60252618 > > > > > > > > > > Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > 05.03.2002 09:42 > > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > > &
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Also, as an fyi... Tivoli also informed us that TDP for oracle on EMC is not supported when TSM is running on an AIX RS/6000.. Kinda funny huh? It's actually only supported for Oracle databases running on a Solaris system and TSM ALSO must be running on Solaris. Don't vendors usually make things work for their products first then make it compatible with other systems? I think IBM/Tivoli forgot to get together on this one. And, from what I understand, which may not be accurate... The TDP for EMC Oracle is used only for backing up a BCV (Business Continuity Volume - like a ESS flash copy). So, to use the TDP you can do online backups of a copied volume... h... no thanks. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html J Bamford cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 03/05/2002 05:14 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I think a little clarification is needed. LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN. Also the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN. I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder function that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other products do not have this limitation. I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not effect LAN-free as a whole. Jason Bamford Tivoli Software Pan-EMEA Storage Product Specialist IBM Certified Specialist - AIX Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional - Original Message - From: "Jozef Zatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Petur, > you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of > configuration. Is it true??? > According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something > special with Connectrix? > Or am I missing something? > > Ing. Jozef Zatko > Login a.s. > Dlha 2, Stupava > tel.: (421) (2) 60252618 > > > > > Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 05.03.2002 09:42 > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > hi Denis > > if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats > spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not > youre > restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have > lost > 75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that > relay > matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same. > > This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out. > > > Kvedja/Regards > Petur Eythorsson > Taeknimadur/Technician > IBM Certified Specialist - AIX > Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional > Microsoft Certified System Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700 > Borgartun 37 105 Iceland > URL:http://www.nyherji.is > > > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Denis L'Huillier > Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > Hello, > We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our > environment. > I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs. > the > LAN/WAN but > am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and > EMC > Connectrix Environment. > Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment? > Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to > implementing LANFREE backups? > Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to > a > 'LANFREE' backup? > How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client > (like collocation) or will other > clients have access to write data to the same volser? > How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric? > Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. > > TSM Environment: > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk > 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives > 1 H50,
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
I think a little clarification is needed. LAN-free with the B/A client does Backup and Restore through the SAN. Also the API client can do backup/restore through the SAN. I understand there is one TDP product for EMC using the timefinder function that backs up LAN-free, but must restore over the LAN. All other products do not have this limitation. I say again this limitation is on the TDP EMC/Oracle, and does not effect LAN-free as a whole. Jason Bamford Tivoli Software Pan-EMEA Storage Product Specialist IBM Certified Specialist - AIX Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional - Original Message - From: "Jozef Zatko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > Petur, > you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of > configuration. Is it true??? > According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something > special with Connectrix? > Or am I missing something? > > Ing. Jozef Zatko > Login a.s. > Dlha 2, Stupava > tel.: (421) (2) 60252618 > > > > > Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 05.03.2002 09:42 > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > hi Denis > > if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats > spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not > youre > restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have > lost > 75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that > relay > matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same. > > This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out. > > > Kvedja/Regards > Petur Eythorsson > Taeknimadur/Technician > IBM Certified Specialist - AIX > Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional > Microsoft Certified System Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700 > Borgartun 37105 Iceland > URL: http://www.nyherji.is > > > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Denis L'Huillier > Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? > > > Hello, > We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our > environment. > I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs. > the > LAN/WAN but > am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and > EMC > Connectrix Environment. > Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment? > Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to > implementing LANFREE backups? > Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to > a > 'LANFREE' backup? > How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client > (like collocation) or will other > clients have access to write data to the same volser? > How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric? > Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. > > TSM Environment: > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk > 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk > 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives > 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk > 3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives > 1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk > 3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives > > SAN Environment: > EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 ) > EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches > > Client/Server Environment: > 600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K) > approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet) > > Thanks in advance. > > Regards, > > Denis L. L'Huiller > 973-360-7739 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enterprise Storage Forms -> > http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 1/3/2002
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Zatko
I was recently visited by a man from Tivoli who said this. I have not
confirmed this information.
He told me that this was the problem in current Tivoli Configuration, and it
would be fixed in version 5.
Tivoli has been known to say that this or that isn?t posible but when you
often find things to work even though tivoli
sais it?s not supported, like the newest version of Oracle isn?t supported
by tivoli but it works because oracle uses the same rman.
So i do not have any hard evidence to back up my statement, exept the words
of a man from Tivoli.
If someone has tested this please let us know.
Kvedja/Regards
Petur Eythorsson
Taeknimadur/Technician
IBM Certified Specialist - AIX
Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700
Borgartun 37105 Iceland
URL:http://www.nyherji.is
-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Jozef Zatko
Sent: 5. mars 2002 09:37
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Petur,
you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of
configuration. Is it true???
According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something
special with Connectrix?
Or am I missing something?
Ing. Jozef Zatko
Login a.s.
Dlha 2, Stupava
tel.: (421) (2) 60252618
Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
05.03.2002 09:42
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
hi Denis
if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats
spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not
youre
restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have
lost
75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that
relay
matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same.
This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out.
Kvedja/Regards
Petur Eythorsson
Taeknimadur/Technician
IBM Certified Specialist - AIX
Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700
Borgartun 37105 Iceland
URL:http://www.nyherji.is
-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Denis L'Huillier
Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Hello,
We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our
environment.
I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs.
the
LAN/WAN but
am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and
EMC
Connectrix Environment.
Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment?
Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to
implementing LANFREE backups?
Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to
a
'LANFREE' backup?
How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client
(like collocation) or will other
clients have access to write data to the same volser?
How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric?
Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
TSM Environment:
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk
3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
SAN Environment:
EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 )
EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches
Client/Server Environment:
600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K)
approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet)
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Enterprise Storage Forms ->
http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Petur,
you say that restores with SAN agent go through LAN regardles of
configuration. Is it true???
According to doc, restores should also go through SAN. Or is it something
special with Connectrix?
Or am I missing something?
Ing. Jozef Zatko
Login a.s.
Dlha 2, Stupava
tel.: (421) (2) 60252618
Petur Ey?orsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
05.03.2002 09:42
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
hi Denis
if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats
spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not
youre
restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have
lost
75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that
relay
matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same.
This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out.
Kvedja/Regards
Petur Eythorsson
Taeknimadur/Technician
IBM Certified Specialist - AIX
Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional
Microsoft Certified System Engineer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700
Borgartun 37105 Iceland
URL:http://www.nyherji.is
-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Denis L'Huillier
Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Hello,
We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our
environment.
I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs.
the
LAN/WAN but
am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and
EMC
Connectrix Environment.
Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment?
Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to
implementing LANFREE backups?
Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to
a
'LANFREE' backup?
How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client
(like collocation) or will other
clients have access to write data to the same volser?
How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric?
Any other tips would be greatly appreciated.
TSM Environment:
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives
1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk
3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk
3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives
SAN Environment:
EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 )
EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches
Client/Server Environment:
600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K)
approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet)
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Denis L. L'Huiller
973-360-7739
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
hi Denis if you ask for my opinion i do not recomend lanfree backups, why thats spimle when you do a restore it dosn?t matter if your using san or not youre restore data always goes trough the lan. and that?s bad, then you have lost 75% of your reason to have lanfree backups, because what is here that relay matters. It is your restore time, and that will stay exacly the same. This bug will not be fixed until TSM V 5.1 comes out. Kvedja/Regards Petur Eythorsson Taeknimadur/Technician IBM Certified Specialist - AIX Tivoli Storage Manager Certified Professional Microsoft Certified System Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nyherji Hf Simi TEL: +354-569-7700 Borgartun 37105 Iceland URL:http://www.nyherji.is -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denis L'Huillier Sent: 4. mars 2002 20:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LANFREE Backups - Feedback? Hello, We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our environment. I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs. the LAN/WAN but am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and EMC Connectrix Environment. Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment? Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to implementing LANFREE backups? Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to a 'LANFREE' backup? How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client (like collocation) or will other clients have access to write data to the same volser? How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric? Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. TSM Environment: 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives 1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk 3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives SAN Environment: EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 ) EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches Client/Server Environment: 600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K) approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet) Thanks in advance. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
LANFREE Backups - Feedback?
Hello, We are currently evaluating the implementation of lanfree backups in our environment. I understand the conceptual benefits of sending data across the SAN vs. the LAN/WAN but am concerned with compatibility issues with our IBM TSM Environment and EMC Connectrix Environment. Has anybody implemented LANFREE in a similar environment? Can anybody give some example or insight to real life advantages to implementing LANFREE backups? Are there any tape drive contention issues when a drive gets allocated to a 'LANFREE' backup? How does TSM manage 'LANFREE' tapes? Does it dedicate a tape to a client (like collocation) or will other clients have access to write data to the same volser? How about attaching a 3590 FC-AL to a EMC Connectrix Fabric? Any other tips would be greatly appreciated. TSM Environment: 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 2 Frames 4 Scsi Drives 1 H50, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 3.7 - SSA Disk 3494 5 Frames 6 Scsi Drives 1 H80, AIX 4.3.3 TSM 4.1 - SSA Disk 3494 6 Frames 6 Scsi Drives SAN Environment: EMC Symmetrix ( 8730, 8830, 4 3930's, 3700 ) EMC Connectrix - 12 Switches Client/Server Environment: 600 + Servers (HPUX, Solaris, NT, Win2K) approx 200 EMC SAN attached. (No BCV's used or SRDF.. yet) Thanks in advance. Regards, Denis L. L'Huiller 973-360-7739 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enterprise Storage Forms -> http://admpwb01/misc/misc/storage_forms_main.html
