Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 14:07, Matthew Glanville wrote: > The biggest complaint I have with the 3584 is the interface via the LCD > panel/web interface. > It is too dumb. > No autoloading of tapes from the I/O station. > > 1. load 10 tapes in library, then run over to TSM console. > 2. TSM commands: > checkin libv 3584lib search=bulk checkl=barcode status=scratch > (or label libv) > q request > reply 1 > 3. repeat Try this sequence instead (for <=10 tapes): 1. TSM command: checkin libv 3584lib search=bulk checkl=barcode status=scratch 2. Leisurely stroll to the library and load 10 tapes. 3. Leisurely stroll back to your console and run q request 4. Reply to it. You've got 60 minutes to do so. If you're loading >10 tapes: 1. Leisurely stroll to the library, open it up, place all tapes directly into empty slots into the library. 2. Leisurely stroll back to your console and run checkin libv 3584lib search=yes checkl=barcode status=scratch or label libv 3584lib search=yes labelsource=barcode checkin=scratch Even easier--there's no request to reply to. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
The biggest complaint I have with the 3584 is the interface via the LCD panel/web interface. It is too dumb. No autoloading of tapes from the I/O station. 1. load 10 tapes in library, then run over to TSM console. 2. TSM commands: checkin libv 3584lib search=bulk checkl=barcode status=scratch (or label libv) q request reply 1 3. repeat Ejecting them is also a pain as you have to do them 10 or 30 at a time depending on the size of your I/O station. Life is easier with the 3494 and the OS/2's library/tape managment program. Maybe I am missing somthing with TSM and 3584's does anyone else have a better way? Matthew Glanville [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Yes, if you had a single Frame of each side by side and took a quick >look, you'd think they were the same. The "Big Iron" is same design. >Main difference is the electronics of the library, 3584 is more >advanced. >No OS/2 computer for library manager. All now on CPU boards, can >control from front LCD Panel or Web interface. >David Longo
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
Yes, if you had a single Frame of each side by side and took a quick look, you'd think they were the same. The "Big Iron" is same design. Main difference is the electronics of the library, 3584 is more advanced. No OS/2 computer for library manager. All now on CPU boards, can control from front LCD Panel or Web interface. David Longo >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/16/02 02:14PM >>> > If they had turned a good mechical engineer loose on it to build a new slot > design it could have handled lto carts also. > used it for lto carts also As far as I can tell, the 3584 UltraScalable Tape Library IBM markets for LTO and DLT tapes is a 3494 with a different slot design. "MMS " made the following annotations on 12/16/2002 02:23:16 PM -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
> If they had turned a good mechical engineer loose on it to build a new slot > design it could have handled lto carts also. > used it for lto carts also As far as I can tell, the 3584 UltraScalable Tape Library IBM markets for LTO and DLT tapes is a 3494 with a different slot design.
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
There are advantage and disadvantage in both LTO and 3590's. We are sticking with
3590's.
David C. Pearson
IS Production Support Analyst
System & Network Service
Snohomish County PUD # 1
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From: Cook, Dwight E [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
Read ALL the fine print on LTO drives & associated media !
They are a far cry from 3590's !
check the life expectancy in mounts, full reel reads/writes, etc...
Dwight
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From: Seay, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
I think it is more of a question when a VTS replacement would become
available and 3590 is significantly slower than other technologies. There
is still development going on for the 3494 library itself. There will be a
replacement 3590 drive soon. It is not clear if that drive will be in the
3494 library or in a LTO type library. My guess is both, but I have not
seen a product direction, so anything is possible.
At this point, I would review my data requirements, install new capacity in
LTO for open systems if it is more cost effective, and seek an answer from
IBM.
Paul D. Seay, Jr.
Technical Specialist
Naptheon Inc.
757-688-8180
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From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:16 PM
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Subject: 3494 libray lifespan??
Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a
3494 library?
My manager wants to know when we should budget for a new one. But I've never
heard of anybody replacing a 3494 because of age - just upgrading to new
drives!
<>
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
Read ALL the fine print on LTO drives & associated media ! They are a far cry from 3590's ! check the life expectancy in mounts, full reel reads/writes, etc... Dwight -Original Message- From: Seay, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 12:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3494 libray lifespan?? I think it is more of a question when a VTS replacement would become available and 3590 is significantly slower than other technologies. There is still development going on for the 3494 library itself. There will be a replacement 3590 drive soon. It is not clear if that drive will be in the 3494 library or in a LTO type library. My guess is both, but I have not seen a product direction, so anything is possible. At this point, I would review my data requirements, install new capacity in LTO for open systems if it is more cost effective, and seek an answer from IBM. Paul D. Seay, Jr. Technical Specialist Naptheon Inc. 757-688-8180 -Original Message- From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3494 libray lifespan?? Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a 3494 library? My manager wants to know when we should budget for a new one. But I've never heard of anybody replacing a 3494 because of age - just upgrading to new drives!
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
I think it is more of a question when a VTS replacement would become available and 3590 is significantly slower than other technologies. There is still development going on for the 3494 library itself. There will be a replacement 3590 drive soon. It is not clear if that drive will be in the 3494 library or in a LTO type library. My guess is both, but I have not seen a product direction, so anything is possible. At this point, I would review my data requirements, install new capacity in LTO for open systems if it is more cost effective, and seek an answer from IBM. Paul D. Seay, Jr. Technical Specialist Naptheon Inc. 757-688-8180 -Original Message- From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3494 libray lifespan?? Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a 3494 library? My manager wants to know when we should budget for a new one. But I've never heard of anybody replacing a 3494 because of age - just upgrading to new drives!
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> says: > >>Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a >>3494 library? > >Given the seemingly unlimited lifespan of the 3x9x cartridge form factor, >I should think that these libraries could outlast us all. > > Richard Sims, BU If they had turned a good mechical engineer loose on it to build a new slot design it could have handled lto carts also. used it for lto carts also len
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
We had our 3494 library with 8 tape drives for over 7 years. Still running strong In January, will be expanding our 3494 and adding an extra Robot and upgrade our drives to the latest tapes. David C. Pearson IS Production Support Analyst System & Network Service Snohomish County PUD # 1 <> Phone: 425.347.4420 Pager: 425.290.0944 FAX: 425.267.6380 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Robert R Price [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 3494 libray lifespan?? We have been running our 3494 for seven and a half years now. No sign of wearing out. Just replace broken parts when necessary. Robert R. Price ADSM/TSM Administrator Computer Sciences Corporation Phone: 412-374-3247 Fax: 412-374-6371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Prather, Wanda" cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: 3494 libray lifespan?? Dist Stor Manager" <>
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
We have been running our 3494 for seven and a half years now. No sign of wearing out. Just replace broken parts when necessary. Robert R. Price ADSM/TSM Administrator Computer Sciences Corporation Phone: 412-374-3247 Fax: 412-374-6371 [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Prather, Wanda" cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: 3494 libray lifespan?? Dist Stor Manager"
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
>Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a >3494 library? Given the seemingly unlimited lifespan of the 3x9x cartridge form factor, I should think that these libraries could outlast us all. Richard Sims, BU
Re: 3494 libray lifespan??
We have 7 that are currently 6 or 7 years old and still going strong ! Two were old VTS libraries from our old MVS environment (L14's I believe is their technical #) just throw away a few parts and you've got an L-12 :-) I think all started in the area of 4 frames and most are 8 frames now. Only the old VTS are HA libraries, all the rest have just a single accessor (but dual grippers). To be truthful, they will probably only be purged from the market by lack of parts & increased cost of service only after IBM has a new line of ATL's that they want to push out to the market and even then, other support firms will buy old ones for parts and continue to offer service contracts. Dwight -Original Message- From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 12:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 3494 libray lifespan?? Does anybody have an idea what is reasonable to expect for the lifespan of a 3494 library? My manager wants to know when we should budget for a new one. But I've never heard of anybody replacing a 3494 because of age - just upgrading to new drives!
