Re: AS/400 TSM client
Hi Zoltan It's correct that you need either BRMS or Robot/SAVE. I would recommend using Robot/Save if you have the option, as the performance differences between BRMS and Robot/save is huge. The information that there will be an native AS/400 TSM client is only a rumour. So I wouldnt rely on that information. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Zoltan Forray/AC/VCU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2003-11-18 18:06 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:AS/400 TSM client We have an AS/400 system we would like to backup with TSM. We read that the OS/400 we have is downlevel so we have ordered and scheduled an upgrade of the OS. However, now there is the issue of BRMS !Is is absolutely required ? When I read through some of the readme files, the only software requirements is the OS/400 level ? Any help in this area is greatly appreciated !
Re: AS/400 TSM client
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/11/2003 3:06:26 We have an AS/400 system we would like to backup with TSM. We read that the OS/400 we have is downlevel so we have ordered and scheduled an upgrade of the OS. However, now there is the issue of BRMS !Is is absolutely required ? When I read through some of the readme files, the only software requirements is the OS/400 level ? From: Steve Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As I understand it you need either BRMS or Robot/Save (a third part product) to connect to TSM. The problem with BRMS is that it treats TSM as a virtual tape drive, so a lot of TSM facilities are bypassed. In particular BRMS can do incremental backups, but TSM can only expire the resulting object when the whole BRMS tape expires. You tend to move a lot more data that you would in a native TSM environment. Also the experience of those on this list is that BRMS-TSM backups are really slow. I can't speak about robot/save, as all I know is its name. There were strong rumours of an impending native AS400 client a while back, but things have gone very quiet since. Any IBMers with knowledge should feel free to jump in at this point. All together now! http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedpieceAbstracts/sg247031. html?Open -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: AS/400 TSM client
Zoltan As I understand it you need either BRMS or Robot/Save (a third part product) to connect to TSM. The problem with BRMS is that it treats TSM as a virtual tape drive, so a lot of TSM facilities are bypassed. In particular BRMS can do incremental backups, but TSM can only expire the resulting object when the whole BRMS tape expires. You tend to move a lot more data that you would in a native TSM environment. Also the experience of those on this list is that BRMS-TSM backups are really slow. I can't speak about robot/save, as all I know is its name. There were strong rumours of an impending native AS400 client a while back, but things have gone very quiet since. Any IBMers with knowledge should feel free to jump in at this point. Regards Steve Harris AIX and TSM Admin Queensland Health, Brisbane Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19/11/2003 3:06:26 We have an AS/400 system we would like to backup with TSM. We read that the OS/400 we have is downlevel so we have ordered and scheduled an upgrade of the OS. However, now there is the issue of BRMS !Is is absolutely required ? When I read through some of the readme files, the only software requirements is the OS/400 level ? Any help in this area is greatly appreciated ! *** This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipients(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipients(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ***
Re: AS/400 TSM
I wrote: Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Last week I heard there will be a AS/400 backupclient in TSM 5.1. Is that true Tivoli guru's? Cheers, Henk ten Have.
Re: AS/400 TSM
Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Last week I heard there will be a AS/400 backupclient in TSM 5.1. Is that true Tivoli guru's? This is not true. We are planning for a 4.2.1 level of the TSM API for OS/400 to be available in the near future but not a client. Thanks, Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Leave everything a little better than you found it. - Smile a lot: it costs nothing and is beyond price.
Re: AS/400 TSM
THERE IS a TSM client for AS/400! You can configure BRMS/400 to backup to TSM server instead to drive the tape. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: AS/400 TSM I wrote: Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Last week I heard there will be a AS/400 backupclient in TSM 5.1. Is that true Tivoli guru's? Cheers, Henk ten Have.
Re: AS/400 TSM
Hank, I don't know what TSM 5.1 will bring but for now you have to either use Robot/Save (3rd party) or BRMS. Robot/Save will require enough local disk space to backup the system to disk before it send it to TSM (you might be able to do some break-down but we couldn't see a way on the particular system we installed it on). BRMS will only backup the data not the system. Performance in either case was not very good. Steffan - Original Message - From: Henk ten Have [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:31 AM Subject: Re: AS/400 TSM I wrote: Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Last week I heard there will be a AS/400 backupclient in TSM 5.1. Is that true Tivoli guru's? Cheers, Henk ten Have.
Re: AS/400 TSM
Here is a little information that I had sent to someone else. As far as the AS400 to TSM backups, I feel that it works if you can through the hardware (from the AS/400 side) at it. Attached is timings from last night. This will give you an idea of how long transfer times are. All of the timings in the list are backups through BRMS directly to TSM and the times are from TSM. There usually is a couple of minutes on the AS400 side before the data transfer is started. No matter how you group the libraries in the BRMS groups, every library is considered a separate object to TSM (that is why your see so many). These timings represent 186GB of data. The last entry is a backup that we run that totals 71GB but because it requires the users to be down, we backup to a save file and then let BRMS transfer that save file. Our config is close. The AS400 is an 830 with GB network card and the TSM server is a dual processor Win2000 machine (cluster but running Active/Passive) with 2GB of memory and GB network card. All backups go directly to diskpool and move to tapepool later in the morning. -Original Message- From: Henk ten Have [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AS/400 TSM Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Cheers, Henk ten Have (heard bad stories about BMRS and ADSM V3 API) START_TIME END_TIMEBYTES 2/14/02 7:01 PM2/14/02 7:34 PM16,985,715,451 2/14/02 7:34 PM2/14/02 7:42 PM3,989,351,339 2/14/02 7:42 PM2/14/02 7:52 PM5,453,819,899 2/14/02 7:53 PM2/14/02 7:53 PM20,415,371 2/14/02 7:53 PM2/14/02 7:53 PM5,981,643 2/14/02 7:53 PM2/14/02 7:54 PM30,416,139 2/14/02 7:55 PM2/14/02 7:55 PM150,191,947 2/14/02 7:57 PM2/14/02 7:57 PM174,999,275 2/14/02 7:59 PM2/14/02 7:59 PM186,946,123 2/14/02 7:59 PM2/14/02 7:59 PM225,355 2/14/02 7:59 PM2/14/02 7:59 PM8,219 2/14/02 7:59 PM2/14/02 8:03 PM2,158,463,499 2/14/02 8:04 PM2/14/02 8:04 PM4,187,147 2/14/02 8:04 PM2/14/02 8:05 PM647,326,011 2/14/02 8:05 PM2/14/02 8:10 PM2,659,125,099 2/14/02 8:10 PM2/14/02 8:10 PM7,366,427 2/14/02 8:11 PM2/14/02 8:11 PM57,181,851 2/14/02 8:11 PM2/14/02 8:11 PM2,450,027 2/14/02 10:55 PM2/14/02 10:56 PM219,668,875 2/14/02 10:56 PM2/14/02 10:57 PM54,785,099 2/14/02 10:57 PM2/14/02 10:57 PM17,510,603 2/14/02 10:57 PM2/14/02 11:05 PM2,578,627,243 2/14/02 11:05 PM2/14/02 11:06 PM167,743,483 2/14/02 11:06 PM2/14/02 11:18 PM3,435,457,435 2/14/02 11:18 PM2/14/02 11:18 PM44,218,939 2/14/02 11:20 PM2/14/02 11:25 PM2,027,498,795 2/14/02 11:27 PM2/14/02 11:27 PM56,264,123 2/14/02 11:28 PM2/14/02 11:28 PM78,465,755 2/14/02 11:28 PM2/14/02 11:28 PM303,195 2/14/02 11:29 PM2/14/02 11:29 PM30,977,435 2/14/02 11:30 PM2/14/02 11:50 PM4,518,020,027 2/15/02 12:04 AM2/15/02 12:10 AM2,538,460,251 2/15/02 12:11 AM2/15/02 12:12 AM645,445,499 2/15/02 12:13 AM2/15/02 12:13 AM108,148,523 2/15/02 12:14 AM2/15/02 12:15 AM212,015,675 2/15/02 12:15 AM2/15/02 12:16 AM158,725,995 2/15/02 12:16 AM2/15/02 12:17 AM393,520,971 2/15/02 12:18 AM2/15/02 12:18 AM66,039,563 2/15/02 12:19 AM2/15/02 12:19 AM182,459,915 2/15/02 12:20 AM2/15/02 12:20 AM24,102,667 2/15/02 12:20 AM2/15/02 12:21 AM186,728,987 2/15/02 12:21 AM2/15/02 12:22 AM79,801,387 2/15/02 12:22 AM2/15/02 12:23 AM515,558,299 2/15/02 12:24 AM2/15/02 12:25 AM674,181,851 2/15/02 12:26 AM2/15/02 12:27 AM497,666,699 2/15/02 12:28 AM2/15/02 12:29 AM238,846,923 2/15/02 12:29 AM2/15/02 12:37 AM3,432,999,227 2/15/02 12:38 AM2/15/02 12:38 AM177,207,563 2/15/02 12:40 AM2/15/02 12:40 AM168,407,211 2/15/02 12:42 AM2/15/02 12:45 AM1,205,644,699 2/15/02 12:47 AM2/15/02 12:51 AM1,381,119,211 2/15/02 12:53 AM2/15/02 12:54 AM790,245,771 2/15/02 12:56 AM2/15/02 1:05 AM4,059,123,259 2/15/02 1:07 AM2/15/02 1:19 AM5,250,809,451 2/15/02 1:21 AM2/15/02 1:46 AM9,320,322,683 2/15/02 1:47 AM2/15/02 2:15 AM9,264,398,619 2/15/02 2:17 AM2/15/02 2:37 AM4,828,752,891 2/15/02 2:38 AM2/15/02 2:43 AM
Re: AS/400 TSM
Steffan, I don't know what TSM 5.1 will bring but for now you have to either use Robot/Save (3rd party) or BRMS. Robot/Save will require enough local disk space to backup the system to disk before it send it to TSM (you might be able to do some break-down but we couldn't see a way on the particular system we installed it on). BRMS will only backup the data not the system. Performance in either case was not very good. Thanks. More people told me the performance isn't very good. Not to say poor/bad. Cheers, Henk (aka Hank)
Re: AS/400 TSM
Hi There is a API for AS/400, but it requires for example RoboSave to work. We have a AS/400 backing up to TSM (NSM) and 3583. It works perfect, but the IBM guys had to set up the AS/400. --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Henk ten Have [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] L cc: Sent by: Subject: AS/400 TSM ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU 2002-03-06 16:47 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Cheers, Henk ten Have (heard bad stories about BMRS and ADSM V3 API)
Re: AS/400 TSM
No experience, but there's a (fairly) recent redpiece: Backup Recovery and Media Services for OS/400 More Practical Information REDP0508. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc Henk ten Have [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/06/2002 09:47 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:AS/400 TSM Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Cheers, Henk ten Have (heard bad stories about BMRS and ADSM V3 API)
Re: AS/400 TSM
Henk, This past summer we added 4 AS/400s to our TSM environment. We are running TSM v 3.7.2 on AIX v4.3.3. Our Library is a SCSI connected 3575. There are redbooks out there with great information on setting up your management class, and tips for setting up BRMS on the AS/400. We found two limitations. 1 BRMS does all management and expiration of the files stored in TSM. - For us this meant trusting the AS/400 administrators were properly managing BRMS. If they were not it would have uncontrollable results on the TSM server for us. 2 The backup times were extremely slow. - I looked somewhat extensively but could not find any reasons for this. The backups were done through Gigabit Ethernet. I found some postings which indicating there were known performance problems, but nothing to indicate a solution. In the end we removed the AS/400's from our environment. Someday when we upgrade and have a 3494 library we try to add the AS/400s to TSM again, but this time backing up through Fibre. Try this link for good information. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/iseries/service/brms/adsmtips.htm Thanks, Jon Martin -Original Message- From: Henk ten Have [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AS/400 TSM Does anyone has experience, i.e. right now, in using TSM for AS/400 backup's? Is there a simple way to do that and what is the performance? Cheers, Henk ten Have (heard bad stories about BMRS and ADSM V3 API)
Re: AS/400 TSM
Jon, thanks for your answers: 1 BRMS does all management and expiration of the files stored in TSM. 2 The backup times were extremely slow. This doesn't look something you like to deal with... In the end we removed the AS/400's from our environment. Someday when we upgrade and have a 3494 library we try to add the AS/400s to TSM again, but this time backing up through Fibre. Last question: how do you backup your AS/400 machines now and how is the performance? Cheers, Henk ten Have.
Re: AS/400 TSM
Daniel, We have a AS/400 backing up to TSM (NSM) and 3583. It works perfect, but the IBM guys had to set up the AS/400. Any idea what the IBM guys did set up? I don't suppose it's something magic? Cheers, Henk ten Have.
