Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Depends on what you mean by not dependent on the TSM data base. If you mean usable without a TSM server, then BACKUPSET is the only thing that will work. If you mean not requiring the ORIGINAL TSM data base, you can use EXPORT. If you EXPORT the data to sequential media. you can IMPORT it into any TSM server that can read the media, even on another platform. It can be an EMPTY TSM data base. The only conditions would be (1) the target data base you are IMPORTING into must be large enough to hold the meta data, (2) the targe TSM server must have enough media space in its own storage pools to contain the imported data, (3) the target TSM server must be the same release or HIGHER than the source TSM server. Wanda Prather I/O, I/O, It's all about I/O -(me) -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Sparrman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:08 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi Anders You cannot create a backupset with more than one node(see TSM documentation) per backupset. If you wouldnt have had the prereq that it should be independent of the TSM database, I would've suggested using export node instead, however, this procedure IS dependent of the TSM database in the case of a restore. Could you please explain what the purpose is? One option would be to use some kind of removable media like DVD or a USB connected drive and then generate your backupset to a file device located in that removable media. This way you could connect the removable media to your client, select restore File name and point out the name of the file in which the backupset is located. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Anders St¦hlbom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 15:00 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 ---
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
One backupset, one tape. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St¦hlbom Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:01 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 ---
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Hi Anders You cannot create a backupset with more than one node(see TSM documentation) per backupset. If you wouldnt have had the prereq that it should be independent of the TSM database, I would've suggested using export node instead, however, this procedure IS dependent of the TSM database in the case of a restore. Could you please explain what the purpose is? One option would be to use some kind of removable media like DVD or a USB connected drive and then generate your backupset to a file device located in that removable media. This way you could connect the removable media to your client, select restore File name and point out the name of the file in which the backupset is located. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Anders St¦hlbom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 15:00 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 ---
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St¦hlbom Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:01 AM To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu Subject:Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 --- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at postmaster at dor.state.ma.us. **
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Stephen, how would that make it possible to have a backupset containing more than 1 node? It would only make all primary(or copy) storage pool data gather on one volume during migration/backup, which could not be read without having access to the TSM database. Or am I missing something here? Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Weinstein, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 16:38 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. -Original Message- From:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St¦hlbom Sent:Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:01 AM To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu Subject: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 --- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at postmaster at dor.state.ma.us. **
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weinstein, Stephen Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St|hlbom I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. You could (theoretically) stack up backupsets by using the method by using the method described by Daniel (use of DVD blanks, etc.), but there would be no way to actually *use* such backupsets. Also, collocation and storage pool parameters have nothing to do with backupsets. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Hi Mark Why would the use of for example a USB connected drives be unusable? Only thing you would have to know to restore a file device backupset(for example e:\backupset\00444333.vol) is the name of the sequential file. What I ment was, generate a separate backupset for each node on a removable media(on a USB disk for example, you could have multiple backupset volumes, which would eliminate the issue with having 1 400GB LTO-2 volume for each node). This would mean every node has it's own sequential file volume stored on your USB disk, which would make it possible to restore the node using a local backupset as long as you know which sequential volume associates with which node(stored in volhist.out, could also be written to the USB disk). Am I missing something out, or was I wage in my description? Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 17:24 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weinstein, Stephen Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St|hlbom I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. You could (theoretically) stack up backupsets by using the method by using the method described by Daniel (use of DVD blanks, etc.), but there would be no way to actually *use* such backupsets. Also, collocation and storage pool parameters have nothing to do with backupsets. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
Hi Anders, Look at http://www.tsmmanager.com/backupsets.htm and scroll down to Appendix A There you can find a way to store backupsets together on physical tapes, I would reccomend to use another TSM Server (or instance) for storing the virtual volumes (read about the snags you vill run into if you use the same server). Be aware in this configuration you need TSM DB backups to secure the backupsets. Also in this configuration you will not be able to restore backupsets without a TSM Server. This is not a simple way, but as far as I know, this is the only way to consolidate backupsets on physical volumes. Best regards, Kolbeinn Josepsson · Systems Engineer Tivoli Certified Consultant - IBM Tivoli Storage Manager V5.1 IBM Certified Deployment Professional - Tivoli Storage Resource Manager V1.2 www.nyherji.is Daniel Sparrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 23.02.2005 15:42 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Stephen, how would that make it possible to have a backupset containing more than 1 node? It would only make all primary(or copy) storage pool data gather on one volume during migration/backup, which could not be read without having access to the TSM database. Or am I missing something here? Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Weinstein, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 16:38 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. -Original Message- From:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St¦hlbom Sent:Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:01 AM To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu Subject: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 --- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at postmaster at dor.state.ma.us. **
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
I think we are using something similar. We have external USB hard drive, and we are generating backupsets daily, but for one node and all filespaces. We have a service level contract with this customer (4 hours response time in case of disaster). Backup is over the internet. So, instead going to data center (where we have our TSM server), and export data to laptop (I have tsm server on laptop) and drive to customer site, we just go there, unplug usb hard drive and still drive to customer site, but we save about 2 hours. On site we restore from client, local backupset. Before we go there I print: Q backupset and Q volh t=backupset Joe Crnjanski Infinity Network Solutions Inc. Phone: 416-235-0931 x26 Fax: 416-235-0265 Web: www.infinitynetwork.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Sparrman Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:46 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi Mark Why would the use of for example a USB connected drives be unusable? Only thing you would have to know to restore a file device backupset(for example e:\backupset\00444333.vol) is the name of the sequential file. What I ment was, generate a separate backupset for each node on a removable media(on a USB disk for example, you could have multiple backupset volumes, which would eliminate the issue with having 1 400GB LTO-2 volume for each node). This would mean every node has it's own sequential file volume stored on your USB disk, which would make it possible to restore the node using a local backupset as long as you know which sequential volume associates with which node(stored in volhist.out, could also be written to the USB disk). Am I missing something out, or was I wage in my description? Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Stapleton, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 17:24 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Weinstein, Stephen Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St|hlbom I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. You could (theoretically) stack up backupsets by using the method by using the method described by Daniel (use of DVD blanks, etc.), but there would be no way to actually *use* such backupsets. Also, collocation and storage pool parameters have nothing to do with backupsets. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume?
If you don't have a spare second tsm server to create virtual volumes you might want to check previous post from Tim -Original Message- From: Rushforth, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 10:56 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Backup set - Instant archive See http://msgs.adsm.org/cgi-bin/get/adsm0306/23.html for some info on this. -Original Message- From: Joe Crnjanski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 26, 2004 9:39 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Backup set - Instant archive Hi All, We would like to start using instant archive (backup set). Average archive per customer is around 10GB. We have LTO2 tapes (200/400), and it looks like that every new backup set must be created on new tape. I can fit around 20 archives on one tape; if it's possible. Does anyone know if this scenario is possible. Manual is not really clear about this. Joe Crnjanski Infinity Network Solutions Inc. Phone: 416-235-0931 x26 Fax: 416-235-0265 Web: www.infinitynetwork.com Joe Crnjanski Infinity Network Solutions Inc. Phone: 416-235-0931 x26 Fax: 416-235-0265 Web: www.infinitynetwork.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kolbeinn Josepsson Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:15 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi Anders, Look at http://www.tsmmanager.com/backupsets.htm and scroll down to Appendix A There you can find a way to store backupsets together on physical tapes, I would reccomend to use another TSM Server (or instance) for storing the virtual volumes (read about the snags you vill run into if you use the same server). Be aware in this configuration you need TSM DB backups to secure the backupsets. Also in this configuration you will not be able to restore backupsets without a TSM Server. This is not a simple way, but as far as I know, this is the only way to consolidate backupsets on physical volumes. Best regards, Kolbeinn Josepsson · Systems Engineer Tivoli Certified Consultant - IBM Tivoli Storage Manager V5.1 IBM Certified Deployment Professional - Tivoli Storage Resource Manager V1.2 www.nyherji.is Daniel Sparrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 23.02.2005 15:42 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Stephen, how would that make it possible to have a backupset containing more than 1 node? It would only make all primary(or copy) storage pool data gather on one volume during migration/backup, which could not be read without having access to the TSM database. Or am I missing something here? Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Chef Utveckling Drift Exist i Stockholm AB Propellervägen 6B 183 62 TÄBY Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Weinstein, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 2005-02-23 16:38 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Do not specify COLLOCATION on the tape storage pool. Then all node will get put on one tape, or as few tapes as possible. -Original Message- From:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anders St¦hlbom Sent:Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:01 AM To: ADSM-L@vm.marist.edu Subject: Generate backupset with more than one node on one volume? Hi, I want to create backupsets with several nodes to as few volumes as possible, the deviceclass in this case it LTO2. Is that possible at all? My task is to create one complete set of data on 50 nodes and a lot of the nodes is just about a couple of gigs, and spoil them with one LTO2 volume per node doesn't make sense. Or is there another way to fulfil this task? One of the requirements is that it should not be dependent of the TSM database. Med vänlig hälsning Best regards Anders Ståhlbom exeo --- Anders Ståhlbom Adress Box 43 59121 Motala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tele: +46 (0)141 48667 Mobile: +46 (0)736 888667 Fax: +46 (0)141 213330 --- ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager at postmaster at dor.state.ma.us. **
