Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-12-02 Thread Johnson, Milton
I have 12TB of SATA storage in the form of a Virtual Tape Library (VTL)
appliance, in my case a SEPATON S2100-ES2.  To TSM it's just a tape
library on steroids (rapid mounts, dismounts, etc).  I have routinely
pushed in excess of 80 MB/sec. with no problems.  It's scalable to 1PB
storage capacity and 4.3TB/hour.  Mine is not that large, configured
with only 64 virtual tape drives.  The drives even do compression just
like a real tape drive.  I decided not to go with serial file devices
because I did wanted to keep the ability to do LAN-free backups, easy
scalability and did not want to force the overhead of compression on the
TSM clients or server.

Milton Johnson

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Paul Zarnowski
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:10 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage

Any success stories out there for using large amounts of serial-access
disk with TSM?

At 06:19 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>I share your pain.
>
>We have an EMC Clariion CX500 SAN.  We have found that AIX in general, 
>and TSM in particular, can just "hose" the sucker.

> > I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the 
> > management of it is just a pain.

> > I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM

> > Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to

> > further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3

> > just added the ability for a SAD devclass to span multiple 
> > filesystems.  After hearing this, we have been leaning towards 
> > investing in inexpensive disk managed by TSM rather than buying a 
> > VTL appliance.  I'm interested in other's comments about where, 
> > specifically, they are having problems managing SAD directly by TSM.


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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-30 Thread Rafa
On a related note (if somewhat off-topic)

Can somebody point me to a mailing list/resources for Enterprise Storage
Servers?

Recently I "inherited" the administration of an ESS F20 for no other reason
than the fact that I use space of it for my TSM disk pools (and the fact
that the current admin left in a hurry).

This is a nice, sturdy system but the admin software is idiosyncratic to say
the least and while I wait for the training to be approved, I'd like to have
a place I can turn to for tips and stuff.

(Thank god for the support contract, or I'd simply leave those "message"
lights on until smoke comes out of the cabinet)


I appreciate any pointers you can give me.


Regards

Rafael



On 11/30/05, Dearman, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Your situation sounds even worse than mine.  When I lose a lun I only
> lose that particular lun.  Other systems and luns on the controller are
> still functional.  Although in order to get that lun back I must
> shutdown every system connected to the controller then reboot the
> controller and the lun comes back.  I was told later by HP that the
> controller can only handle 6-9 I/O requests per lun per second.  I am
> looking for other storage units that can handle more requests than that.
> I noticed that I don't have this problem with IBM storage at least the
> ssa's we don't have any IBM san storage.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Tab Trepagnier
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:20 PM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage
>
> Richard,
>
> I share your pain.
>
> We have an EMC Clariion CX500 SAN.  We have found that AIX in general,
> and
> TSM in particular, can just "hose" the sucker.
>
> Your observations about write cache were echoed by EMC.  We had to turn
> off write-cache on our TSM disk pool LUNs because the SAN storage
> processors couldn't keep up with the incoming data rate and manage the
> cache at the same time.
>
> In our case, it manifested itself as a total network freeze!
>
> Once our TSM server - a 2-way 6H1 - started writing to our five-disk
> RAID-3 LUNs, the I/O would hog the SAN so that no other servers - like
> our
> domain controllers - would get any disk access.  Disk queue length on
> the
> DCs went to 50+.  With the DCs locked out of the disks, they couldn't
> process DNS lookups, logins, etc. so our Active Directory LAN just hung.
> The odd thing is that all our TSM disks are in their own disk pod; the
> only thing shared between TSM and the remainder of the servers was the
> internal fiber loops and the SPs.  There was no disk contention between
> TSM and anything else.
>
> We duplicated the problem when creating disk volumes in TSM.  We
> duplicated the problem when our Windows-based Domino servers backed up
> to
> SAN-based disk pools.  We duplicated the problem when we copied a large
> database from one Oracle server to another; both with data volumes on
> the
> SAN.  All of this occurred at data rates of about 50-55 MB/s.  We use
> RAID-3 for TSM disk pools and RAID-5 for everything else.
>
> With the write cache turned off we get more like 12 MB/s streaming to a
> five-disk RAID-3 array.
>
> So with TSM using the SAN as a major storage resource, we've had to give
> up performance and reliability.  On the upside, at least it's only three
> times as expensive as  tape!
>
> Tab Trepagnier
> TSM Administrator
> Laitram, L.L.C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 11/29/2005
> 09:48:08 AM:
>
> > I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the
> > management of it is just a pain.  For instance if you are using a
> vendor
> > such as HP for your san disks the compatibility with IBM equipment is
> > not the greatest.  We use HP EMA 12000 with hsg80 san storage
> > controllers.  TSM will max out the I/O to the san controllers then the
> > particular lun will hang and then the san storage controller must be
> > rebooted to get the lun accessible again to aix but even after the
> > reboot the lun is available to aix but unreadable so now I lost all
> the
> > data on that lun.  I have run into this problem many times over the
> past
> > few years.  HP says disable caching at the controller level which may
> > work but disk I/O will be extremely slow so that is not an option.
> >
> > You can attribute these problems to incompatible hardware but I would
> > run what ever disk storage you choose through the ringer before you
> > commit to it because I have had this problem with other sa

Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-30 Thread Dearman, Richard
Your situation sounds even worse than mine.  When I lose a lun I only
lose that particular lun.  Other systems and luns on the controller are
still functional.  Although in order to get that lun back I must
shutdown every system connected to the controller then reboot the
controller and the lun comes back.  I was told later by HP that the
controller can only handle 6-9 I/O requests per lun per second.  I am
looking for other storage units that can handle more requests than that.
I noticed that I don't have this problem with IBM storage at least the
ssa's we don't have any IBM san storage.

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tab Trepagnier
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:20 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage

Richard,

I share your pain.

We have an EMC Clariion CX500 SAN.  We have found that AIX in general,
and
TSM in particular, can just "hose" the sucker.

Your observations about write cache were echoed by EMC.  We had to turn
off write-cache on our TSM disk pool LUNs because the SAN storage
processors couldn't keep up with the incoming data rate and manage the
cache at the same time.

In our case, it manifested itself as a total network freeze!

Once our TSM server - a 2-way 6H1 - started writing to our five-disk
RAID-3 LUNs, the I/O would hog the SAN so that no other servers - like
our
domain controllers - would get any disk access.  Disk queue length on
the
DCs went to 50+.  With the DCs locked out of the disks, they couldn't
process DNS lookups, logins, etc. so our Active Directory LAN just hung.
The odd thing is that all our TSM disks are in their own disk pod; the
only thing shared between TSM and the remainder of the servers was the
internal fiber loops and the SPs.  There was no disk contention between
TSM and anything else.

We duplicated the problem when creating disk volumes in TSM.  We
duplicated the problem when our Windows-based Domino servers backed up
to
SAN-based disk pools.  We duplicated the problem when we copied a large
database from one Oracle server to another; both with data volumes on
the
SAN.  All of this occurred at data rates of about 50-55 MB/s.  We use
RAID-3 for TSM disk pools and RAID-5 for everything else.

With the write cache turned off we get more like 12 MB/s streaming to a
five-disk RAID-3 array.

So with TSM using the SAN as a major storage resource, we've had to give
up performance and reliability.  On the upside, at least it's only three
times as expensive as  tape!

Tab Trepagnier
TSM Administrator
Laitram, L.L.C.









"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 11/29/2005
09:48:08 AM:

> I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the
> management of it is just a pain.  For instance if you are using a
vendor
> such as HP for your san disks the compatibility with IBM equipment is
> not the greatest.  We use HP EMA 12000 with hsg80 san storage
> controllers.  TSM will max out the I/O to the san controllers then the
> particular lun will hang and then the san storage controller must be
> rebooted to get the lun accessible again to aix but even after the
> reboot the lun is available to aix but unreadable so now I lost all
the
> data on that lun.  I have run into this problem many times over the
past
> few years.  HP says disable caching at the controller level which may
> work but disk I/O will be extremely slow so that is not an option.
>
> You can attribute these problems to incompatible hardware but I would
> run what ever disk storage you choose through the ringer before you
> commit to it because I have had this problem with other san storage
> units as well.  We also keep disk storage in multiple locations across
> campus via long haul san connections which mean multiple luns to
manage
> and many filesystems which if you are in an HACMP configuration takes
> time for failover to occur and filesystem mounts to take place.
>
> In conclusion make sure what ever storage you choose is reliable and
> able to handle the high I/O load tsm will can on it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of
> Paul Zarnowski
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:40 AM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage
>
> At 11:33 AM 11/23/2005, Dearman, Richard wrote:
> >We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
> >backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape
libraries.
> >The san disk administration has become a nightmare [...]
>
> I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM
> Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to
> further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3
> just added the ability for a SAD

Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-30 Thread Paul Zarnowski

Any success stories out there for using large amounts of
serial-access disk with TSM?

At 06:19 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote:

Richard,

I share your pain.

We have an EMC Clariion CX500 SAN.  We have found that AIX in general, and
TSM in particular, can just "hose" the sucker.



> I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the
> management of it is just a pain.



> I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM
> Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to
> further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3
> just added the ability for a SAD devclass to span multiple
> filesystems.  After hearing this, we have been leaning towards
> investing in inexpensive disk managed by TSM rather than buying a VTL
> appliance.  I'm interested in other's comments about where,
> specifically, they are having problems managing SAD directly by TSM.



--
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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-29 Thread Tab Trepagnier
Richard,

I share your pain.

We have an EMC Clariion CX500 SAN.  We have found that AIX in general, and
TSM in particular, can just "hose" the sucker.

Your observations about write cache were echoed by EMC.  We had to turn
off write-cache on our TSM disk pool LUNs because the SAN storage
processors couldn't keep up with the incoming data rate and manage the
cache at the same time.

In our case, it manifested itself as a total network freeze!

Once our TSM server - a 2-way 6H1 - started writing to our five-disk
RAID-3 LUNs, the I/O would hog the SAN so that no other servers - like our
domain controllers - would get any disk access.  Disk queue length on the
DCs went to 50+.  With the DCs locked out of the disks, they couldn't
process DNS lookups, logins, etc. so our Active Directory LAN just hung.
The odd thing is that all our TSM disks are in their own disk pod; the
only thing shared between TSM and the remainder of the servers was the
internal fiber loops and the SPs.  There was no disk contention between
TSM and anything else.

We duplicated the problem when creating disk volumes in TSM.  We
duplicated the problem when our Windows-based Domino servers backed up to
SAN-based disk pools.  We duplicated the problem when we copied a large
database from one Oracle server to another; both with data volumes on the
SAN.  All of this occurred at data rates of about 50-55 MB/s.  We use
RAID-3 for TSM disk pools and RAID-5 for everything else.

With the write cache turned off we get more like 12 MB/s streaming to a
five-disk RAID-3 array.

So with TSM using the SAN as a major storage resource, we've had to give
up performance and reliability.  On the upside, at least it's only three
times as expensive as  tape!

Tab Trepagnier
TSM Administrator
Laitram, L.L.C.









"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 11/29/2005
09:48:08 AM:

> I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the
> management of it is just a pain.  For instance if you are using a vendor
> such as HP for your san disks the compatibility with IBM equipment is
> not the greatest.  We use HP EMA 12000 with hsg80 san storage
> controllers.  TSM will max out the I/O to the san controllers then the
> particular lun will hang and then the san storage controller must be
> rebooted to get the lun accessible again to aix but even after the
> reboot the lun is available to aix but unreadable so now I lost all the
> data on that lun.  I have run into this problem many times over the past
> few years.  HP says disable caching at the controller level which may
> work but disk I/O will be extremely slow so that is not an option.
>
> You can attribute these problems to incompatible hardware but I would
> run what ever disk storage you choose through the ringer before you
> commit to it because I have had this problem with other san storage
> units as well.  We also keep disk storage in multiple locations across
> campus via long haul san connections which mean multiple luns to manage
> and many filesystems which if you are in an HACMP configuration takes
> time for failover to occur and filesystem mounts to take place.
>
> In conclusion make sure what ever storage you choose is reliable and
> able to handle the high I/O load tsm will can on it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Paul Zarnowski
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:40 AM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage
>
> At 11:33 AM 11/23/2005, Dearman, Richard wrote:
> >We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
> >backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
> >The san disk administration has become a nightmare [...]
>
> I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM
> Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to
> further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3
> just added the ability for a SAD devclass to span multiple
> filesystems.  After hearing this, we have been leaning towards
> investing in inexpensive disk managed by TSM rather than buying a VTL
> appliance.  I'm interested in other's comments about where,
> specifically, they are having problems managing SAD directly by TSM.
>
> ..Paul
>
>
>
> --
> Paul ZarnowskiPh: 607-255-4757
> Manager, Storage Systems  Fx: 607-255-8521
> 719 Rhodes Hall, Ithaca, NY 14853-3801Em: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-29 Thread Dearman, Richard
I have about 6TB of san disk space used for nightly backups and the
management of it is just a pain.  For instance if you are using a vendor
such as HP for your san disks the compatibility with IBM equipment is
not the greatest.  We use HP EMA 12000 with hsg80 san storage
controllers.  TSM will max out the I/O to the san controllers then the
particular lun will hang and then the san storage controller must be
rebooted to get the lun accessible again to aix but even after the
reboot the lun is available to aix but unreadable so now I lost all the
data on that lun.  I have run into this problem many times over the past
few years.  HP says disable caching at the controller level which may
work but disk I/O will be extremely slow so that is not an option.  

You can attribute these problems to incompatible hardware but I would
run what ever disk storage you choose through the ringer before you
commit to it because I have had this problem with other san storage
units as well.  We also keep disk storage in multiple locations across
campus via long haul san connections which mean multiple luns to manage
and many filesystems which if you are in an HACMP configuration takes
time for failover to occur and filesystem mounts to take place.

In conclusion make sure what ever storage you choose is reliable and
able to handle the high I/O load tsm will can on it.

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Paul Zarnowski
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:40 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: VTS or san disk storage

At 11:33 AM 11/23/2005, Dearman, Richard wrote:
>We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
>backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
>The san disk administration has become a nightmare [...]

I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM
Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to
further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3
just added the ability for a SAD devclass to span multiple
filesystems.  After hearing this, we have been leaning towards
investing in inexpensive disk managed by TSM rather than buying a VTL
appliance.  I'm interested in other's comments about where,
specifically, they are having problems managing SAD directly by TSM.

..Paul



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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-24 Thread Paul Zarnowski

At 11:33 AM 11/23/2005, Dearman, Richard wrote:

We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
The san disk administration has become a nightmare [...]


I am curious what kind of problems you are running into.  At the TSM
Symposium at Oxford this year, IBM indicated that they were going to
further develop the serial access disk support in TSM.  And, TSM 5.3
just added the ability for a SAD devclass to span multiple
filesystems.  After hearing this, we have been leaning towards
investing in inexpensive disk managed by TSM rather than buying a VTL
appliance.  I'm interested in other's comments about where,
specifically, they are having problems managing SAD directly by TSM.

..Paul



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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-23 Thread TSM_User
Ah, that is right I don't work in the Mainframe arena so I forgot about that 
VTS.
   
  As Mark stated, there is now a new VTL (Virual Tape Libary) that IBM sells. I 
believe it was announced in October. Here is a link 
http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/storage/tape/virtualization/index.html
   
  This product is not running TSM under the covers.
   
  Kyle
   
  
TSM_User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  The latest VTS from IBM does not run TSM under the covers. I'm not sure if 
you are thinking about VTS (Virtual Tape System) or something else like a 
Document Management system.



"Gee, Norman" wrote:
I would not consider using IBM VTS as a possible solution. The VTS
internally also runs ADSM. If the tape volumes you want is not on
cache, the VTS has to retrieve it from tape, place it on disk cache
prior to sending it to the servers. This takes time. My VTS emulates
IBM 3490E cartridge tapes. These tapes has a native capacity of 800MB or
2.4GB compress. This is not a lot of data these days.


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Dearman, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:34 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: VTS or san disk storage

We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
The san disk administration has become a nightmare and I was thinking of
replacing it with a VTS from IBM or other disk library such as one from
EMC. Do you guys have experiences with disk library based systems and
have any pro or con comments on them and whether or not you have had
good or bad experiences with them.



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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-23 Thread TSM_User
The latest VTS from IBM does not run TSM under the covers.  I'm not sure if you 
are thinking about VTS (Virtual Tape System) or something else like a Document 
Management system.
   
  

"Gee, Norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I would not consider using IBM VTS as a possible solution. The VTS
internally also runs ADSM. If the tape volumes you want is not on
cache, the VTS has to retrieve it from tape, place it on disk cache
prior to sending it to the servers. This takes time. My VTS emulates
IBM 3490E cartridge tapes. These tapes has a native capacity of 800MB or
2.4GB compress. This is not a lot of data these days.


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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dearman, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:34 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: VTS or san disk storage

We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
The san disk administration has become a nightmare and I was thinking of
replacing it with a VTS from IBM or other disk library such as one from
EMC. Do you guys have experiences with disk library based systems and
have any pro or con comments on them and whether or not you have had
good or bad experiences with them.



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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-23 Thread Barnhart, Troy
If it is the rumored OEM-version of FalconStor's VTL product, then it may not 
be bad.
I've worked with that product and it "appeared" pretty decent.

my 2 coppers...

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Rapid City, South Dakota, 57701 
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IBM has a new virtual tape library; it's either out now or will be very
soon. The verdict on *that* is still out.
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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-23 Thread Mark Stapleton
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"  wrote on 11/23/2005
10:55:35 AM:
> I would not consider using IBM VTS as a possible solution.  The VTS
> internally also runs ADSM.  If the tape volumes you want is not on
> cache, the VTS has to retrieve it from tape, place it on disk cache
> prior to sending it to the servers.  This takes time. My VTS emulates
> IBM 3490E cartridge tapes. These tapes has a native capacity of 800MB or
> 2.4GB compress.  This is not a lot of data these days.

VTS was never meant as a virtual tape library for TSM; it was constructed
for mainframe storage usage.

IBM has a new virtual tape library; it's either out now or will be very
soon. The verdict on *that* is still out.

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Re: VTS or san disk storage

2005-11-23 Thread Gee, Norman
I would not consider using IBM VTS as a possible solution.  The VTS
internally also runs ADSM.  If the tape volumes you want is not on
cache, the VTS has to retrieve it from tape, place it on disk cache
prior to sending it to the servers.  This takes time. My VTS emulates
IBM 3490E cartridge tapes. These tapes has a native capacity of 800MB or
2.4GB compress.  This is not a lot of data these days.


-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Dearman, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:34 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: VTS or san disk storage

We currently use several TB of san based disk storage for our daily
backups which gets migrated during the day to multiple tape libraries.
The san disk administration has become a nightmare and I was thinking of
replacing it with a VTS from IBM or other disk library such as one from
EMC.   Do you guys have experiences with disk library based systems and
have any pro or con comments on them and whether or not you have had
good or bad experiences with them.

 

thanks


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