Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
In addition to backing up and restoring the system object I also backup and restore the SystemState using ntbackup. This adds an additional step to my restore process but has allowed me to consistently restore the registry and related files. Louis -Original Message- From: Mark Stapleton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems from: Marc Levitan I appreciate your help. I guess what I was asking was is there any documentation that states that you should install the client into a new directory? I have not seen any docs and we were able to restore before we tried using Ghost. From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Schroeder I've never found that document of one exists. \eep in mind, gentlemen, that TSM does not support bare metal restores *officially*. There are those that have worked out the processes necessary to make such restores work properly. (There are some who work for my company that have done so.) The basic thing to remember is that you cannot restore system objects while the system objects are being used. You must build the initial OS (with their system objects) in a non-default directory, restore the files and original system objects from TSM, swap some files from point A to point B, and reboot. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Certified TSM consultant Certified AIX system engineer MCSE * The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. *
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
from: Marc Levitan I appreciate your help. I guess what I was asking was is there any documentation that states that you should install the client into a new directory? I have not seen any docs and we were able to restore before we tried using Ghost. From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Schroeder I've never found that document of one exists. \eep in mind, gentlemen, that TSM does not support bare metal restores *officially*. There are those that have worked out the processes necessary to make such restores work properly. (There are some who work for my company that have done so.) The basic thing to remember is that you cannot restore system objects while the system objects are being used. You must build the initial OS (with their system objects) in a non-default directory, restore the files and original system objects from TSM, swap some files from point A to point B, and reboot. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Certified TSM consultant Certified AIX system engineer MCSE
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
I appreciate your help. I guess what I was asking was is there any documentation that states that you should install the client into a new directory? I have not seen any docs and we were able to restore before we tried using Ghost. Thanks, Marc Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 04:07 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager It's actually quite easy. As long as you are installing and not deploying your software, you should be able to select the path that you want to install into. The default is something like c:\program files\tivoli\tsmyou just need to change it to something like c: \temptsm\tsm. This will put all the objects there and should simplify both the registry and object restore portion of your BMR. You didn't by chance reboot between the data restore and the registry restore? If so, then that would certainly create problems. I know when you restore the c:\ completely that the OS will say you need to reboot, but you actually have to say no and then restore your system objects, then reboot. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 02:51 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Hi Rob, Do you have any documentation regarding installing to another directory? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 03:06 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager That could be where the problem is. Try the same thing only this time install the OS and TSM (to a different directory) from scratch. Then do the TSM recovery procedures and see if that alleviates the problems. Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 01:03 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
I've never found that document of one exists. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/14/2002 07:08 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I appreciate your help. I guess what I was asking was is there any documentation that states that you should install the client into a new directory? I have not seen any docs and we were able to restore before we tried using Ghost. Thanks, Marc Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 04:07 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager It's actually quite easy. As long as you are installing and not deploying your software, you should be able to select the path that you want to install into. The default is something like c:\program files\tivoli\tsmyou just need to change it to something like c: \temptsm\tsm. This will put all the objects there and should simplify both the registry and object restore portion of your BMR. You didn't by chance reboot between the data restore and the registry restore? If so, then that would certainly create problems. I know when you restore the c:\ completely that the OS will say you need to reboot, but you actually have to say no and then restore your system objects, then reboot. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 02:51 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Hi Rob, Do you have any documentation regarding installing to another directory? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 03:06 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager That could be where the problem is. Try the same thing only this time install the OS and TSM (to a different directory) from scratch. Then do the TSM recovery procedures and see if that alleviates the problems. Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 01:03 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
Marc, What level of the B/A client are you using? Regards, Matt Adams Tivoli Storage Manager Team Hermitage Site Tech Deloitte Touche USA LLP 615.882.6861 -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services - This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. - If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
4.1.2 Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services Adams, Matt (US -To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hermitage) cc: maadams@DELOSubject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems ITTE.COM Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU 08/13/2002 11:57 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Marc, What level of the B/A client are you using? Regards, Matt Adams Tivoli Storage Manager Team Hermitage Site Tech Deloitte Touche USA LLP 615.882.6861 -Original Message- From: Marc Levitan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services - This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. - If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this message, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited.
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 09:40 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 09:40 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
That could be where the problem is. Try the same thing only this time install the OS and TSM (to a different directory) from scratch. Then do the TSM recovery procedures and see if that alleviates the problems. Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 01:03 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 09:40 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
Hi Rob, Do you have any documentation regarding installing to another directory? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 03:06 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager That could be where the problem is. Try the same thing only this time install the OS and TSM (to a different directory) from scratch. Then do the TSM recovery procedures and see if that alleviates the problems. Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 01:03 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 09:40 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services
Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems
It's actually quite easy. As long as you are installing and not deploying your software, you should be able to select the path that you want to install into. The default is something like c:\program files\tivoli\tsmyou just need to change it to something like c: \temptsm\tsm. This will put all the objects there and should simplify both the registry and object restore portion of your BMR. You didn't by chance reboot between the data restore and the registry restore? If so, then that would certainly create problems. I know when you restore the c:\ completely that the OS will say you need to reboot, but you actually have to say no and then restore your system objects, then reboot. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 02:51 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Hi Rob, Do you have any documentation regarding installing to another directory? Thanks, Marc Levitan Storage Manager PFPC Global Funds Services Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 03:06 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager That could be where the problem is. Try the same thing only this time install the OS and TSM (to a different directory) from scratch. Then do the TSM recovery procedures and see if that alleviates the problems. Rob Schroeder Famous Footwear Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 01:03 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I actually restored from a GHOST image first, that has the OS and TSM client on it. I then connect to TSM and attempt the restore of C: and System Objects. Rob Schroeder robs@FAMOUSFOOTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TWEAR.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM:Subject: Re: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] ST.EDU 08/13/2002 01:37 PM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I've had this happen. Even if I was recovering to like hardware, but my systems have always seemed fine when I was done. When you do this, do you install TSM into an alternate directory? If you don't install to an alternate source, then the registry keys for TSM will pound on itself and you may get unpredictable results. Although I have gotten errors even when I think I do everything right. Rob Marc Levitan marc.levitan@PFPTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C.COM cc: Sent by: ADSM: Subject: W2K - System Object - Restore Problems Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU 08/13/2002 09:40 AM Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager I have had problems restoring the System Objects for a W2K server. I restore the boot/system files successfully ( C: Drive). Then it asks me to reboot and I say NO. I then attempt to restore the entire System Object. Sometimes it works... Other times it begins to restore but then disappears in the middle. I don't get a confirmation that it was completed. Sometimes I can reboot and try the restore of the System Objects again and it works, other times it doesn't. Has anyone had similar problems? Thanks, Marc Levitan
