Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
But this raises another (still unanswered) question - how to exclude all
those System-Object files from file backup? Besides *.exe *.dll files
from c:\winnt there are many others under c:\Program Files and with
other extensions as well.
If those files are not excluded they happen to be backed up in both
\\host\c$ and system object filespaces. And I am not even sure what
should we use - exclude c:\winnt\...\*.exe or only exclude
c:\winnt\*.exe or something else. Properly crafted exclude list for
Windows is several screens long. *Why* TSM client does not exclude those
files knowing they are part of the System-Object? They are tracked as
separate objects in the server DB, so the client knows them.
Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant
Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Eric,
The SYSTEM FILES part of the system object only applies to Win2K. This
is
a Windows thing, not a TSM thing. Under WIN2K, Microsoft implemented the
concept of system protected files. Win2K keeps a catalog of all the
files
it considers system and boot files, and they are flagged as system
protected. Those files are considered part of Win2K system state, and
are all backed up and restored as a set. TSm is just honoring what
Microsoft has implemented for Win2K, and WInNT has NOTHING to do with it.
When you run backups via the scheduler on Win2K, TSM gets the whole
MICROSOFT-DEFINED System state, which includes the system protected
files, plus Active Directory, plus COM+DB, plus Registry, and a bunch of
other stuff, depending on whether it's WIN2K or Win2K pro.
When you run backups via the GUI on Win2K, you must specificially select
SYSTEM OBJECT to get a backup of system state.
YOu can read about this stuff in the TSM 3.7.3 and 4.1 Technical Guide
redbook, Chapter 6. SG24-6110.
-Original Message-
From: Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
*Why* TSM client does not exclude those files
knowing they are part of the System-Object?
These files *are* excluded from regular file backup.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
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Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
But this raises another (still unanswered) question - how to exclude all
those System-Object files from file backup? Besides *.exe *.dll files
from c:\winnt there are many others under c:\Program Files and with
other extensions as well.
If those files are not excluded they happen to be backed up in both
\\host\c$ and system object filespaces. And I am not even sure what
should we use - exclude c:\winnt\...\*.exe or only exclude
c:\winnt\*.exe or something else. Properly crafted exclude list for
Windows is several screens long. *Why* TSM client does not exclude those
files knowing they are part of the System-Object? They are tracked as
separate objects in the server DB, so the client knows them.
Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant
Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Eric,
The SYSTEM FILES part of the system object only applies to Win2K. This
is
a Windows thing, not a TSM thing. Under WIN2K, Microsoft implemented the
concept of system protected files. Win2K keeps a catalog of all the
files
it considers system and boot files, and they are flagged as system
protected. Those files are considered part of Win2K system state, and
are all backed up and restored as a set. TSm is just honoring what
Microsoft has implemented for Win2K, and WInNT has NOTHING to do with it.
When you run backups via the scheduler on Win2K, TSM gets the whole
MICROSOFT-DEFINED System state, which includes the system protected
files, plus Active Directory, plus COM+DB, plus Registry, and a bunch of
other stuff, depending on whether it's WIN2K or Win2K pro.
When you run backups via the GUI on Win2K, you must specificially select
SYSTEM OBJECT to get a backup of system state.
YOu can read about this stuff in the TSM 3.7.3 and 4.1 Technical Guide
redbook, Chapter 6. SG24-6110.
-Original Message-
From: Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards
Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
On Win2K the client (I am using 4.2.0.0 and 4.2.1.20 versions) does back
them up only once, they are not included in file backup. They still show up
in dsmsched.log and the DB, though.
-Original Message-
From: Zlatko Krastev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 6:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
But this raises another (still unanswered) question - how to exclude all
those System-Object files from file backup? Besides *.exe *.dll files
from c:\winnt there are many others under c:\Program Files and with
other extensions as well.
If those files are not excluded they happen to be backed up in both
\\host\c$ and system object filespaces. And I am not even sure what
should we use - exclude c:\winnt\...\*.exe or only exclude
c:\winnt\*.exe or something else. Properly crafted exclude list for
Windows is several screens long. *Why* TSM client does not exclude those
files knowing they are part of the System-Object? They are tracked as
separate objects in the server DB, so the client knows them.
Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant
Prather, Wanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Eric,
The SYSTEM FILES part of the system object only applies to Win2K. This
is
a Windows thing, not a TSM thing. Under WIN2K, Microsoft implemented the
concept of system protected files. Win2K keeps a catalog of all the
files
it considers system and boot files, and they are flagged as system
protected. Those files are considered part of Win2K system state, and
are all backed up and restored as a set. TSm is just honoring what
Microsoft has implemented for Win2K, and WInNT has NOTHING to do with it.
When you run backups via the scheduler on Win2K, TSM gets the whole
MICROSOFT-DEFINED System state, which includes the system protected
files, plus Active Directory, plus COM+DB, plus Registry, and a bunch of
other stuff, depending on whether it's WIN2K or Win2K pro.
When you run backups via the GUI on Win2K, you must specificially select
SYSTEM OBJECT to get a backup of system state.
YOu can read about this stuff in the TSM 3.7.3 and 4.1 Technical Guide
redbook, Chapter 6. SG24-6110.
-Original Message-
From: Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Eric,
The SYSTEM FILES part of the system object only applies to Win2K. This is
a Windows thing, not a TSM thing. Under WIN2K, Microsoft implemented the
concept of system protected files. Win2K keeps a catalog of all the files
it considers system and boot files, and they are flagged as system
protected. Those files are considered part of Win2K system state, and
are all backed up and restored as a set. TSm is just honoring what
Microsoft has implemented for Win2K, and WInNT has NOTHING to do with it.
When you run backups via the scheduler on Win2K, TSM gets the whole
MICROSOFT-DEFINED System state, which includes the system protected
files, plus Active Directory, plus COM+DB, plus Registry, and a bunch of
other stuff, depending on whether it's WIN2K or Win2K pro.
When you run backups via the GUI on Win2K, you must specificially select
SYSTEM OBJECT to get a backup of system state.
YOu can read about this stuff in the TSM 3.7.3 and 4.1 Technical Guide
redbook, Chapter 6. SG24-6110.
-Original Message-
From: Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command. So, if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i' and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
2) Most of these Win2k machines have IIS installed. I was told that IIS is
not recoverable using normal file restore. It has something to do with the
IIS metabase which has to be treated differently. How do other people backup
and recover an IIS server?
Thank you very much in advance for any reply!
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command. So, if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i' and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command. So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i' and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command. So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i' and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
--
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Microsoft does not support the system state concept on Windows NT 4.0,
and so TSM can't support it, either. On NT 4.0, it is correct that all you
see is the registry and event log in the SYSTEM OBJECT file space. In
sum, Windows NT 4.0 support is as it always has been: TSM backs up regular
files, registry, and event log.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
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Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
There is a APAR currently for this problem. However in the mean time we
use NTBackup to backup the System State to a flat file kicked off by a VB
script, which we run as a preschedulecmd in the dsm.opt file.
Regards,
Michael Swinhoe
Storage Management Group
Zurich Financial Services
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Microsoft does not support the system state concept on Windows NT 4.0,
and so TSM can't support it, either. On NT 4.0, it is correct that all you
see is the registry and event log in the SYSTEM OBJECT file space. In
sum, Windows NT 4.0 support is as it always has been: TSM backs up regular
files, registry, and event log.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Interesting, I didn't know that.
Regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Andy!
Thank you very much for your reply!
So, if I read you reply correctly, all system objects (including AD) are
backed up by default on Windows 2000, when issuing a dsmc i?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Raibeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 16:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Microsoft does not support the system state concept on Windows NT 4.0,
and so TSM can't support it, either. On NT 4.0, it is correct that all you
see is the registry and event log in the SYSTEM OBJECT file space. In
sum, Windows NT 4.0 support is as it always has been: TSM backs up regular
files, registry, and event log.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Which problem and which APAR are you referring to?
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
Michael Swinhoe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There is a APAR currently for this problem. However in the mean time we
use NTBackup to backup the System State to a flat file kicked off by a VB
script, which we run as a preschedulecmd in the dsm.opt file.
Regards,
Michael Swinhoe
Storage Management Group
Zurich Financial Services
E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrew
Raibeck To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]cc:
BM.COM Subject: Re: Two Windows
backup questions (repost)
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Microsoft does not support the system state concept on Windows NT 4.0,
and so TSM can't support it, either. On NT 4.0, it is correct that all you
see is the registry and event log in the SYSTEM OBJECT file space. In
sum, Windows NT 4.0 support is as it always has been: TSM backs up regular
files, registry, and event log.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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12/09/2002 08:26
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
OK... but I don't see how this applies to my response on this thread, which was with regard to system object support (or the lack thereof) on NT 4.0. Sorry if I'm missing the point Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply) The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. Michael Swinhoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/09/2002 09:45 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost) FYI: Hi Mike, APAR IC34853 has been taken top correct this problem. It's still open. I'll monitor it for closure and let you know. APAR= IC34853 SER=IN INCORROUT TSM BACKUP OF WIN 2000 ACTIVE DIRECTORY SYSTEM OBJECT CAN REPORT SUCCESS DESPITE FAILURE DURING BACKUP ATTEMPT. STAT= OPEN FESN0909258- CTID= SJ0291 ISEV= 2 ERROR DESCRIPTION: TSM client backup of the Windows 2000 active directory (AD) system object can report success even though the backup of the AD never occurs. . Recreate steps: 1. On the Win2k Domain Controller, revoke the Administrative share privilages at the drive level for the drive where the AD files (ntds.dit, etc) reside. 2. Run a backup of the AD system object using TSM: dsmc backup activedirectory 3. The following statistics and result reported: Backup System Object: 'Windows NT Directory Services'. . Selective Backup processing of 'Windows NT Directory Services' finished without failure. Total number of objects inspected:1 Total number of objects backed up:2 Total number of objects updated: 0 Total number of objects rebound: 0 Total number of objects deleted: 0 Total number of objects expired: 0 Total number of objects failed: 0 Total number of bytes transferred: 0 B Data transfer time:0.00 sec Network data transfer rate:0.00 KB/sec Aggregate data transfer rate: 0.00 KB/sec Objects compressed by:0% Elapsed processing time: 00:00:04 . None of the AD system object data is ever sent to the TSM server but the above messages indicate no failure in this attempt. A service trace indicates the following error: fioGetAttrib(\\machinename\c£\WINNT\NTDS\NTDS.DIT): Entry. fioGetAttrib(\\machinename\c£\WINNT\NTDS\NTDS.DIT) failed. fioGetAttrib(): FindFirst: Share path name \\machinename\c£\WINNT\NTDS\NTDS.DIT is no longer exists TransWin32RC(): Win32 RC 67 from fioGetAttrib():FindFirstFile TransWin32RC(): Translated Win32 RC 67 to RC 264 . It is also noted that backup of the drive data succeeds without failure, even though the Administrative share privilages have been revoked. There is no clear reason why the AD backup fails and the regular client file backup succeeds. The particular point of failure appears to indicate a specific call FindFirstFile() is used only for AD backups, and not normal file backups. It is this call that causes the failure, since it uses the UNC name as shown in the above trace segment. Initial Impact: Med LOCAL FIX: Do not revoke Administrative Share access at the drive level. * Best Wishes, Nigel. Nigel Bentley IBM Certificated Software Services Specialist Tivoli Certificated TSM Consultant IBM UK - ITS Technical Support EMEA Back Office Support for TSM --- e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Need help with Tivoli Software? http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/ Log a problem online at: http://www.ibm.com/software/support/probsub.html Regards, Michael Swinhoe Storage Management Group Zurich Financial Services E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrew Raibeck To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: BM.COM Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost) Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU 09/12/2002 16:34 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Which problem and which APAR are you referring to? Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Assuming that you are not excluding it with a DOMAIN statement, then yes.
The ALL-LOCAL domain includes your local drives and SYSTEMOBJECT, so if
the domain is ALL-LOCAL, then DSMC INCREMENTAL will back up your local
drives as well as the system objects. If you specify a DOMAIN that is not
ALL-LOCAL, then you need to include SYSTEMOBJECT if you want it backed up,
i.e.:
DOMAIN C: E: SYSTEMOBJECT
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply)
The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
Good enough is the enemy of excellence.
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Andy!
Thank you very much for your reply!
So, if I read you reply correctly, all system objects (including AD) are
backed up by default on Windows 2000, when issuing a dsmc i?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Raibeck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 16:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Microsoft does not support the system state concept on Windows NT 4.0,
and so TSM can't support it, either. On NT 4.0, it is correct that all you
see is the registry and event log in the SYSTEM OBJECT file space. In
sum, Windows NT 4.0 support is as it always has been: TSM backs up regular
files, registry, and event log.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
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Subject:Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Alexander!
Unfortunately that doesn't say that all files are backed up. My Windows NT
machine also has a SYSTEM OBJECT filespace on the TSM server. However, it
only contains the registry files and the event log. The presence of the
SYSTEM OBJECT filespace does not guarantee that it contains all system
object files.
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
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From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 15:14
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Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Hi Eric,
We did some tests on Windows XP (not 2000). When we
did an incremental backup on a system without a
DOMAIN statement in dsm.opt a file space of
the type SYSTEM OBJECT would appear on the
TSM server for this node.
So I think one can assume that the system object
is included by default.
Best regards,
Alexander
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi Alexander!
I know the registry files are included by default, but are the system
objects on Windows 2000?
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
-Original Message-
From: Alexander Verkooyen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 14:16
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Subject: Re: Two Windows backup questions (repost)
Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
Hi *SM-ers!
This is a repost because I did not receive any answer about a week
ago.
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by
default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the
System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So,
if
I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and
'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
In my experience the system object is included
in the incremental backup by default
as long as no DOMAIN is specified in dsm.opt
Regards,
Alexander
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Senior Systems Programmer
SARA High Performance Computing
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Two Windows backup questions
Hi *SM-ers!
I have two Windows related questions:
1) When running an incremental, TSM backs up the registry files by default.
We are soon going to add several Windows 2000 client which use Active
Directory. I read in the manual that Active Directory is part of the System
Objects which can be backed up using the BACKUP SYSTEMOBJECT command.
So, if I'm reading things correctly one has to issue both commands ('dsmc i'
and 'dsmc backup systemobject') for a complete backup?
2) Most of these Win2k machines have IIS installed. I was told that IIS is
not recoverable using normal file restore. It has something to do with the
IIS metabase which has to be treated differently.
How do other people backup and recover an IIS server?
Thank you very much in advance for any reply!
Kindest regards,
Eric van Loon
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
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