Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure
A postschedcommand of "format c: /y" will give you some practice, real quick! Nick Cassimatis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today is the tomorrow of yesterday.
Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure
Yes, and does anybody remember STAC replica!? That disappeared, too - yep, I agree Tivoli needs to GET A PLAN here for some strategic bare metal recovery support. Granted, bare metal recovery (the concept) means different things to different people: * For a structured environment/production servers, BMR (the product) from TKG is a great solution, gives you a headstart on doing your recovery without having to reconfigure the OS first. * In an environment like ours here, with hundreds of machines in a not-very-controlled environment, we need a solution that requires less $, and requires no preparation at all other than the TSM backups, even if it takes a little longer. As Kelly said, it is possible to do a complete bare metal restore for either WinNT or Win2K with just your OS install disk and TSM backups. We've done several on real working systems (not just test machines) in the last 3 months. Instead of posting instructions back to ADSM-L, I've posted them to the scripts depot at www.coderelief.com, with several updates for different combinations of server & client levels. => Click on Scripts & Links Depot, then => Scripts Discussion Forum, then => Tivoli Storage Manager scripts, then => Disaster Recovery. There are procedures for WinNT and Win2K. I've gotten WinNT to work with most every TSM client from 3.1.0.6 up through 4.2. Win2K is MUCH MORE SENSITIVE to the client level; I don't recommend doing it at any client below 4.2.0. PLEASE note the caveats in the instructions; it MATTERS what level of client and server you are running, and the order in which you do things. And remember you need TWO sets of procedures - one for how you will recover from crashes on site (recovery to the same hardware), and another for how you will recover at an offsite location (different hardware, different priorities). There is JUST NO SUBSTITUTE for understanding your own environment - DON"T wait until you have a crisis to get your disaster drill down, and don't expect everything to work right the first time. It is NOT automatic, like working with BMR (the product). And while I'm on my soap box, remember, if you CAN'T AFFORD AN OUTAGE of at least 3-4 hours, you shouldn't be depending on ANY backup-recovery product, including TSM, for your livelihood - you should be looking at HACMP, NT clustering, RealTime, or some other high-availability technology. My opinions and nobody else's... Wanda Prather -Original Message- From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Procedure I'll put in a plug for my friend Wanda Prather. In the adsm.org archives you should find a very nice procedure developed by Wanda. Perhaps she'll post it here once more for those of us who missed it. In general, the method is to install a bare bones OS from the distribution CDs, configure it, install the TSM client, configure it, and restore the backup on top of the new installation. This is an easy procedure to follow. I'd like to see a side-by-side runoff between this and the BMR product to get an idea of the time difference. OK, don't like this idea? How about using Ghost to periodically snap an image of your OS (or perhaps have a generic one with TSM installed ready to go). Lose the disk? Ghost the image and do a restore from TSM to bring the image up-to-date. As for restoring your TSM server. That is very easy if you have three things: a database backup, the devconfig.out file and the volhist.out file. >From these three items, I can restore your TSM server in four hours of less (very dependent on the size of the database: for very small databases, you're probably looking at less than an hour, start to finish). The problem with this is most of us never practice it. In my job I have the fortune of getting to do this periodically (monthly) so I've gotten pretty confident so to me it's easy. I recommend doing it the first time when you don't have to. When you have to do it, nerves take over and the process is much harder. Kelly J. Lipp Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc. PO Box 51313 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com (719)531-5926 Fax: (240)539-7175 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Coats, Jack Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF TSM!! W here's the Air Support? Does anyone have a good recovery senario for NT and / or Novell? I am going into a DR test soon and will be requrired to recover several of each, including the TSM server! :( Yep, it sounds like TSM did a fubar depending on a small vendor to remain autonimous in the backup/restore/disaster recovery market. Veritas has good products too. I have sold both TSM and Veritas NetBackup.
Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure
It is a good class, I would recommend having taken the first class(TSM installation) or having a year or 2 of TSM admin experience. I you have this, you will come out of the class with a much better understanding of how TSM works and how to best set it up for your environment. Ryan -Original Message- From: Brown, Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure I heard this is a great class to take. If anybody has taken this please elaborate a little. Course Code: TS520 Tivoli Storage Manager 4.1 Advanced Administration Table of Contents: Overview Who Should Take This Course What You Are Taught Topics Include Prerequisites Duration: 4 Days Delivery Method: Classroom (Hands-on Lab) Skill Level: Advanced Audience Type: Public/Private Language: English Tuition: $1995 Overview: Learn to configure the Tivoli Storage Manager database and recovery log for optimum performance and availability. Develop the skills to run client and server trace functions, write and execute server scripts, and recover corrupted storage pool volumes. Learn to recover a destroyed Tivoli Storage Manager database and a database volume. Run the Tivoli Storage Manager audit volume command against primary storage pool volumes to determine if any of the volumes are corrupted, then recover both a corrupted storage pool volume, as well as an entire primary storage pool. Get in-depth administration training for Tivoli Storage Manager 4.1. This course is the follow-on to: Tivoli Storage Manager 4.1 Administration (TS51A) Learn about key product enhancements for Tivoli Storage Manager 4.1, such as integration with: Tivoli Data Protection Agents Tivoli Disaster Recovery Manager Tivoli Space Manager Tivoli SANergy File Sharing Tivoli Removable Media Manager Tivoli Decision Support IACET Continuing Education Units: 3.2 Who Should Take This Course: System administrators, technical consultants, and implementers who require in-depth knowledge of Tivoli Storage Manager administration. What You Are Taught: Configure and administer Tivoli Storage Manager's enterprise administration environment Configure and administer Tivoli Storage Manager's server-to-server virtual volumes environment Perform both client and server trace functions Recover the Tivoli Storage Manager database, or a single Tivoli Storage Manager database volume Recover a Tivoli Storage Manager primary storage pool, or a single Tivoli Storage Manager primary storage pool volume Write and execute server scripts Change key Tivoli Storage Manager performance parameters to their recommended values Evaluate the need for products that integrate with Tivoli Storage Manager, Tivoli Disaster Recovery Manager, Tivoli Space Manager, Tivoli SANergy File Sharing, Tivoli Data Protection agents, Tivoli Decision Support, Tivoli Removable Media Manager, and EMC Symetrics Timefinder Topics Include: Basics of Tivoli Storage Manager 4.1 High-level operational management Mirror and storage pool volume determination Working with tape libraries Network capacity planning Performance tuning Problem determination and trace function Tivoli Storage Manager reporting Server-to-server virtual volumes Day-to-day operations Enterprise administration Integration with Tivoli Storage Manager Pre
Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure
al Message-
From: Martin, Jon R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 7:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR
Proc edure
All,
I think Kelly brings up a good point that, most of us don't get
to
practice disaster recovery very often. I know that there are plenty of
courses for TSM installation, configuration, and administration. Does
anyone know of available training with a strict focus on disaster
recovery
in theory and in practice? Unfortunately, I don't have a development or
test environment for doing this kind of training on my own.
Thanks,
Jon Martin
-Original Message-
From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR
Procedure
I'll put in a plug for my friend Wanda Prather. In the adsm.org
archives
you should find a very nice procedure developed by Wanda. Perhaps
she'll
post it here once more for those of us who missed it.
In general, the method is to install a bare bones OS from the
distribution
CDs, configure it, install the TSM client, configure it, and restore the
backup on top of the new installation. This is an easy procedure to
follow.
I'd like to see a side-by-side runoff between this and the BMR product
to
get an idea of the time difference.
OK, don't like this idea? How about using Ghost to periodically snap an
image of your OS (or perhaps have a generic one with TSM installed ready
to
go). Lose the disk? Ghost the image and do a restore from TSM to bring
the
image up-to-date.
As for restoring your TSM server. That is very easy if you have three
things: a database backup, the devconfig.out file and the volhist.out
file.
>From these three items, I can restore your TSM server in four hours of
less
(very dependent on the size of the database: for very small databases,
you're probably looking at less than an hour, start to finish). The
problem
with this is most of us never practice it. In my job I have the fortune
of
getting to do this periodically (monthly) so I've gotten pretty
confident so
to me it's easy. I recommend doing it the first time when you don't
have
to. When you have to do it, nerves take over and the process is much
harder.
Kelly J. Lipp
Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc.
PO Box 51313
Colorado Springs, CO 80949
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com
(719)531-5926
Fax: (240)539-7175
-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Coats, Jack
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF TSM!!
W here's the Air Support?
Does anyone have a good recovery senario for NT and / or Novell?
I am going into a DR test soon and will be requrired to recover several
of each, including the TSM server! :(
Yep, it sounds like TSM did a fubar depending on a small vendor
to remain autonimous in the backup/restore/disaster recovery market.
Veritas has good products too. I have sold both TSM and Veritas
NetBackup. I still like TSM but it is a harder sell quite often.
> -Original Message-
> From: Williams, Tim P {PBSG} [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:13 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION
OF
> TSM!! W here's the Air Support?
>
> I echo Kelly!
> Another marketing slip?:
> Tivoli used to provide Tivoli Data protection for workgroups (good for
> bare
> metal recovery for NT, windows, from
> what I heard). This product went unsupportedTHEN the pitch for
bare
> metal recovery was to use/buy...
> a pgm/product from The Kernel Group. From what I understand TKG was
bought
> out by Veritas.
> SO, you have a Tivoli web site pitching a product that a competitor
owns?
> marketing slip
> there's a void here that Tivoli should fill, and fast! BARE METAL
RECOVERY
> I sure would like to here what the marketing folks would have to say
about
> this one as well!!!
>
> Thanks Tim Williams
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF TSM!!
> Where's the Air Support?
>
>
> http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1470&a=22041,00.asp
>
> Why in the world would an article like this appear and not have a
single
> mention of TSM? Where is the crack marketing team? We need
desperately
> to
> have air support on an issue like this. The IBM TSM folks who listen
hear
> should send this up the pipe to the marketing folks. It is very hard
to
Re: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR Proc edure
All,
I think Kelly brings up a good point that, most of us don't get to
practice disaster recovery very often. I know that there are plenty of
courses for TSM installation, configuration, and administration. Does
anyone know of available training with a strict focus on disaster recovery
in theory and in practice? Unfortunately, I don't have a development or
test environment for doing this kind of training on my own.
Thanks,
Jon Martin
-Original Message-
From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 2:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Used to Be PC Magazine Article, morphed to NT/Novell BMR
Procedure
I'll put in a plug for my friend Wanda Prather. In the adsm.org archives
you should find a very nice procedure developed by Wanda. Perhaps she'll
post it here once more for those of us who missed it.
In general, the method is to install a bare bones OS from the distribution
CDs, configure it, install the TSM client, configure it, and restore the
backup on top of the new installation. This is an easy procedure to follow.
I'd like to see a side-by-side runoff between this and the BMR product to
get an idea of the time difference.
OK, don't like this idea? How about using Ghost to periodically snap an
image of your OS (or perhaps have a generic one with TSM installed ready to
go). Lose the disk? Ghost the image and do a restore from TSM to bring the
image up-to-date.
As for restoring your TSM server. That is very easy if you have three
things: a database backup, the devconfig.out file and the volhist.out file.
>From these three items, I can restore your TSM server in four hours of less
(very dependent on the size of the database: for very small databases,
you're probably looking at less than an hour, start to finish). The problem
with this is most of us never practice it. In my job I have the fortune of
getting to do this periodically (monthly) so I've gotten pretty confident so
to me it's easy. I recommend doing it the first time when you don't have
to. When you have to do it, nerves take over and the process is much
harder.
Kelly J. Lipp
Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc.
PO Box 51313
Colorado Springs, CO 80949
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.storsol.com or www.storserver.com
(719)531-5926
Fax: (240)539-7175
-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Coats, Jack
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF TSM!!
W here's the Air Support?
Does anyone have a good recovery senario for NT and / or Novell?
I am going into a DR test soon and will be requrired to recover several
of each, including the TSM server! :(
Yep, it sounds like TSM did a fubar depending on a small vendor
to remain autonimous in the backup/restore/disaster recovery market.
Veritas has good products too. I have sold both TSM and Veritas
NetBackup. I still like TSM but it is a harder sell quite often.
> -Original Message-
> From: Williams, Tim P {PBSG} [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 11:13 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF
> TSM!! W here's the Air Support?
>
> I echo Kelly!
> Another marketing slip?:
> Tivoli used to provide Tivoli Data protection for workgroups (good for
> bare
> metal recovery for NT, windows, from
> what I heard). This product went unsupportedTHEN the pitch for bare
> metal recovery was to use/buy...
> a pgm/product from The Kernel Group. From what I understand TKG was bought
> out by Veritas.
> SO, you have a Tivoli web site pitching a product that a competitor owns?
> marketing slip
> there's a void here that Tivoli should fill, and fast! BARE METAL RECOVERY
> I sure would like to here what the marketing folks would have to say about
> this one as well!!!
>
> Thanks Tim Williams
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelly Lipp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 10:59 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PC Magazine Enterprise Backup Article - NO MENTION OF TSM!!
> Where's the Air Support?
>
>
> http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s=1470&a=22041,00.asp
>
> Why in the world would an article like this appear and not have a single
> mention of TSM? Where is the crack marketing team? We need desperately
> to
> have air support on an issue like this. The IBM TSM folks who listen hear
> should send this up the pipe to the marketing folks. It is very hard to
> sell TSM when the only thing potential customers have heard about is full
> backups!
>
> This kept me up all night. Actually, it wasn't this it was some damn
> library/TSM interaction that I was trying to invent. I eat, sleep and
> breath TSM. Can I have some help please?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kelly J. Lipp
> Storage Solutions Specialists, Inc.
> PO Box 51313
> Colorado Springs, CO 80949
> [EMAIL PROT
