Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Hello, we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience regarding performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. Our environment: - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) - network (tokenring&atm backbone) - 3.7 NT-clients - 3.7.3.6 TSM Server on MVS -2 * 3590 Tapelibraries Thanks a lot for your input Stefan Holzwarth -- Stefan Holzwarth ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 4.0 GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+>++ L+(++) E--- W++>+ N++ o-- K? w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP->+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
happy with it, backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 others have about 12 GB database. René Lambelet Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > Hello, > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience > regarding > performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness > > Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for > reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. > > Our environment: > - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) > - network (tokenring&atm backbone) > - 3.7 NT-clients > - 3.7.3.6 TSM Server on MVS > -2 * 3590 Tapelibraries > > > Thanks a lot for your input > Stefan Holzwarth > > > -- > -- > -- > Stefan Holzwarth > ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) > Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 4.0 > GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+>++ L+(++) E--- W++>+ N++ o-- K? > w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP->+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? > ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Very happy! We have nine (9) MS Exchange servers with 35GB information stores. Our backup window is 2 hours and TDP for MSExchange does this just fine. Of course, you have to consider the infrastructure here (Gigabit Ethernet). All in all, it works well and the Exchange admins are happier with TSM than they were with Veritas. John G. Talafous IS Technical Principal The Timken CompanyGlobal Software Support P.O. Box 6927 Data Management 1835 Dueber Ave. S.W. Phone: (330)-471-3390 Canton, Ohio USA 44706-0927 Fax : (330)-471-4034 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timken.com -Original Message- From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange happy with it, backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 others have about 12 GB database. René Lambelet Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > Hello, > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience > regarding > performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness > > Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for > reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. > > Our environment: > - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) > - network (tokenring&atm backbone) > - 3.7 NT-clients > - 3.7.3.6 TSM Server on MVS > -2 * 3590 Tapelibraries > > > Thanks a lot for your input > Stefan Holzwarth > > > -- > -- > -- > Stefan Holzwarth > ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) > Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 4.0 > GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+>++ L+(++) E--- W++>+ N++ o-- K? > w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP->+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? > ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
I'd have to say we are happy also. We have over 18 exchange servers with 10 to 30 gig dbs. All 18 incremental finish well within 2 hours each day. Full backups take 1 to 4 hours each depending on the load on our AIX ADSM server. All Exchange backups are done over gigabit Ethernet. One drawback is Microsoft's lack of an API that allows message extraction from the backups. We have a mixed Notes/Exchange mail environment. The Notes users still enjoy the ability to restore deleted messages long after they were "accidentally" removed. Exchange users have a 15 day deleted item retention period they have to go by. -Original Message- From: Talafous, John G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange Very happy! We have nine (9) MS Exchange servers with 35GB information stores. Our backup window is 2 hours and TDP for MSExchange does this just fine. Of course, you have to consider the infrastructure here (Gigabit Ethernet). All in all, it works well and the Exchange admins are happier with TSM than they were with Veritas. John G. Talafous IS Technical Principal The Timken CompanyGlobal Software Support P.O. Box 6927 Data Management 1835 Dueber Ave. S.W. Phone: (330)-471-3390 Canton, Ohio USA 44706-0927 Fax : (330)-471-4034 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timken.com -Original Message- From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange happy with it, backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 others have about 12 GB database. René Lambelet Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > Hello, > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience > regarding > performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness > > Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for > reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. > > Our environment: > - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) > - network (tokenring&atm backbone) > - 3.7 NT-clients > - 3.7.3.6 TSM Server on MVS > -2 * 3590 Tapelibraries > > > Thanks a lot for your input > Stefan Holzwarth > > > -- > -- > -- > Stefan Holzwarth > ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) > Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > Version: 4.0 > GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+>++ L+(++) E--- W++>+ N++ o-- K? > w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP->+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? > ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. So let me ask if I may : 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services prior to backup ? 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, and how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches that had to be retouched to get it all running ? Thanks, Mike > -Original Message- > From: Palmadesso Jack [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: á ðåáîáø 13 2000 22:55 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > I'd have to say we are happy also. We have over 18 exchange servers with > 10 > to 30 gig dbs. All 18 incremental finish well within 2 hours each day. > Full backups take 1 to 4 hours each depending on the load on our AIX ADSM > server. All Exchange backups are done over gigabit Ethernet. One > drawback > is Microsoft's lack of an API that allows message extraction from the > backups. We have a mixed Notes/Exchange mail environment. The Notes > users > still enjoy the ability to restore deleted messages long after they were > "accidentally" removed. Exchange users have a 15 day deleted item > retention > period they have to go by. > > -Original Message- > From: Talafous, John G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > Very happy! We have nine (9) MS Exchange servers with 35GB information > stores. Our backup window is 2 hours and TDP for MSExchange does this > just > fine. Of course, you have to consider the infrastructure here (Gigabit > Ethernet). All in all, it works well and the Exchange admins are happier > with TSM than they were with Veritas. > > John G. Talafous IS Technical Principal > The Timken CompanyGlobal Software Support > P.O. Box 6927 Data Management > 1835 Dueber Ave. S.W. Phone: (330)-471-3390 > Canton, Ohio USA 44706-0927 Fax : (330)-471-4034 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timken.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > happy with it, > > backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 > others have about 12 GB database. > > René Lambelet > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > > > Hello, > > > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience > > regarding > > performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness > > > > Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for > > reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. > > > > Our environment: > > - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) > > - network (tokenring&atm backbone) > > - 3.7 NT-clients > > - 3.7.3.6 TSM Server on MVS > > -2 * 3590 Tapelibraries > > > > > > Thanks a lot for your input > > Stefan Holzwarth > > > > > > > -- > > -- > > -- > > Stefan Holzwarth > > ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) > > Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 > > > > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- > > Version: 4.0 > > GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+>++ L+(++) E--- W++>+ N++ o-- K? > > w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP->+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? > > ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
we do online backups only, no stop of services restore times are the same as backup times. Then applying logs to the databases take much more time. Therefore we take 2 full backups / week and 3 incremental / day. Taking 2 fulls / week cut the numbre of logs to apply to 50 %. Regards, René Lambelet Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > -Original Message- > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:50 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > > So let me ask if I may : > > 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services > prior to backup ? > > 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, > and > how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches > that > had to be retouched to get it all running ? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: Palmadesso Jack [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: á ðåáîáø 13 2000 22:55 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > I'd have to say we are happy also. We have over 18 exchange servers > with > > 10 > > to 30 gig dbs. All 18 incremental finish well within 2 hours each day. > > Full backups take 1 to 4 hours each depending on the load on our AIX > ADSM > > server. All Exchange backups are done over gigabit Ethernet. One > > drawback > > is Microsoft's lack of an API that allows message extraction from the > > backups. We have a mixed Notes/Exchange mail environment. The Notes > > users > > still enjoy the ability to restore deleted messages long after they were > > "accidentally" removed. Exchange users have a 15 day deleted item > > retention > > period they have to go by. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Talafous, John G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > > > > Very happy! We have nine (9) MS Exchange servers with 35GB information > > stores. Our backup window is 2 hours and TDP for MSExchange does this > > just > > fine. Of course, you have to consider the infrastructure here (Gigabit > > Ethernet). All in all, it works well and the Exchange admins are > happier > > with TSM than they were with Veritas. > > > > John G. Talafous IS Technical Principal > > The Timken CompanyGlobal Software Support > > P.O. Box 6927 Data Management > > 1835 Dueber Ave. S.W. Phone: (330)-471-3390 > > Canton, Ohio USA 44706-0927 Fax : (330)-471-4034 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timken.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:56 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > > > > happy with it, > > > > backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 > > others have about 12 GB database. > > > > René Lambelet > > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience &g
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
We always back up exchange while it is still active for several reasons. Mostly because the backups trim the exchange logs after each backup. I'd also say we are happy with the restore times. The nice thing about exchange is the stores are just really big files. This makes for very fast backup and restores and keeps your adsm/tsm database really small unlike the Notes agent. Restores generally take about the same amount of time as full backups do. The part that takes the longest is the rebuilding of the new or replacement server. I am not involved in that part but I've seen them do it several times now. It seems to have some pitfalls. There were no glitches with ADSM, only things that had to be done on the exchange side once the data was back. -Original Message- From: Mike Glassman - Admin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. So let me ask if I may : 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services prior to backup ? 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, and how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches that had to be retouched to get it all running ? Thanks, Mike > -Original Message- > From: Palmadesso Jack [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: á ðåáîáø 13 2000 22:55 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > I'd have to say we are happy also. We have over 18 exchange servers with > 10 > to 30 gig dbs. All 18 incremental finish well within 2 hours each day. > Full backups take 1 to 4 hours each depending on the load on our AIX ADSM > server. All Exchange backups are done over gigabit Ethernet. One > drawback > is Microsoft's lack of an API that allows message extraction from the > backups. We have a mixed Notes/Exchange mail environment. The Notes > users > still enjoy the ability to restore deleted messages long after they were > "accidentally" removed. Exchange users have a 15 day deleted item > retention > period they have to go by. > > -Original Message- > From: Talafous, John G. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > Very happy! We have nine (9) MS Exchange servers with 35GB information > stores. Our backup window is 2 hours and TDP for MSExchange does this > just > fine. Of course, you have to consider the infrastructure here (Gigabit > Ethernet). All in all, it works well and the Exchange admins are happier > with TSM than they were with Veritas. > > John G. Talafous IS Technical Principal > The Timken CompanyGlobal Software Support > P.O. Box 6927 Data Management > 1835 Dueber Ave. S.W. Phone: (330)-471-3390 > Canton, Ohio USA 44706-0927 Fax : (330)-471-4034 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.timken.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:56 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > happy with it, > > backuping 4-5 GB(hour), our main exchange server has a 17 GB database. 2 > others have about 12 GB database. > > René Lambelet > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Stefan Holzwarth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:47 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > > > Hello, > > > > we intend to use the tivoli agent for exchange, but have no experience > > regarding > > performance (backup & restore), easyness, robustness > > > > Because of the importance of the exchange environment we are looking for > > reference installations and we want to know of your experiences. > > > > Our environment: > > - 2 * MS exchange server 5.5 (10GB/30GB) > > - network (tokenring&atm backbone) > > - 3.7 NT-clie
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Mike, >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. >> >> So let me ask if I may : >> >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services >> prior to backup ? In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that were built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big BUT... ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is built into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and check-summed to make sure it is consistent. >> >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, and >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches that >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? I want to answer part of this question... You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not have to do this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Del, >From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of backup-while-active and as easy to restore. Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has to work rather hard once the restore has been done. I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM Exchange backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore is easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in order to get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but rarely, an ISINTEG. One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full restore including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore + 1 hour. I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster Recovery, or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. Mike > -Original Message- > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 14:38 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Mike, > > >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > >> > >> So let me ask if I may : > >> > >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services > >> prior to backup ? > > In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your > services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that were > built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and > run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use > the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big BUT... > ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is built > into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use > TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and check-summed > to make sure it is consistent. > > >> > >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, > and > >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches > that > >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? > > I want to answer part of this question... > You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to > use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want > to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not > have to do this. > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Mike > > > Del > > > > Del Hoobler > IBM Corporation > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Mike, I have no work to do, Exchange does it automatically ! It just need time... Regards, René Lambelet Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > -Original Message- > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Del, > > From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of > backup-while-active and as easy to restore. > > Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has to > work > rather hard once the restore has been done. > > I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM Exchange > backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore is > easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in order > to > get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but rarely, > an > ISINTEG. > > One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full restore > including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore + 1 > hour. > > I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster Recovery, > or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 14:38 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > Mike, > > > > >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > > >> > > >> So let me ask if I may : > > >> > > >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the > services > > >> prior to backup ? > > > > In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your > > services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that were > > built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and > > run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use > > the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big BUT... > > ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is built > > into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use > > TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and check-summed > > to make sure it is consistent. > > > > >> > > >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from > backup, > > and > > >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any > glitches > > that > > >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? > > > > I want to answer part of this question... > > You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to > > use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want > > to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not > > have to do this. > > > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Mike > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > Del Hoobler > > IBM Corporation > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Rene, Ahhh, ok. Now that's more reasonable. Why then don't you perform a full every day ? Wouldn't that cut your log time down to almost 0 ? Or is it a question of backup time ? At the moment, I have a backup time of around 2 hours for 24GB of data, which includes the NT system as well as the Exchange online stuff. Have you thought about a Bare Metal / Intelligent Disaster Recovery solution for your Exchange server ? Mike > -Original Message- > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 15:02 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Mike, > > I have no work to do, Exchange does it automatically ! It just need > time... > > Regards, > > René Lambelet > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:59 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > Del, > > > > From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of > > backup-while-active and as easy to restore. > > > > Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has to > > work > > rather hard once the restore has been done. > > > > I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM Exchange > > backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore is > > easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in > order > > to > > get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but > rarely, > > an > > ISINTEG. > > > > One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full > restore > > including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore + > 1 > > hour. > > > > I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster > Recovery, > > or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. > > > > Mike > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 14:38 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > > Exchange > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > > > >> > > > >> So let me ask if I may : > > > >> > > > >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the > > services > > > >> prior to backup ? > > > > > > In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your > > > services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that > were > > > built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and > > > run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use > > > the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big BUT... > > > ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is > built > > > into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use > > > TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and check-summed > > > to make sure it is consistent. > > > > > > >> > > > >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from > > backup, > > > and > > > >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any > > glitches > > > that > > > >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? > > > > > > I want to answer part of this question... > > > You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to > > > use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want > > > to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not > > > have to do this. > > > > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Mike > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > > > > > Del Hoobler > > > IBM Corporation > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Mike, The restore and application of logs is all handled for you by TDP for Exchange. I think what Rene was referring to is the fact that if you generate a lot of logs between your full backups, the log replay takes longer. Log replay is ALWAYS done by the Exchange server no matter what backup solution you are running. After a restore is performed, when you restart your services, the logs are replayed. The number of logs that must be replayed increases your "total recovery time". Some of our customers run full backups nightly to reduce their total recovery time. Even with Backup Exec, you have to go through the same process. And you should not have to run ISINTEG and/or do any type of "patching". If you have to, then something is not working like it is supposed to. I am trying to give you the facts of how TDP for Exchange works. If you are happy with Backup Exec, stay with it. Thanks, Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Glassman - Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2000 07:59:28 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange Del, >From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of backup-while-active and as easy to restore. Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has to work rather hard once the restore has been done. I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM Exchange backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore is easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in order to get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but rarely, an ISINTEG. One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full restore including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore + 1 hour. I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster Recovery, or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. Mike
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Ahhh, totaly understandable. Thanks, Mike > -Original Message- > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 15:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > it is just a question of load, we backup more than 180 servers / night, > bringing about 250 GB into our adsm server via network (in fact 2 > networks, > production and service). > > Rene > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:07 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > Rene, > > > > Ahhh, ok. Now that's more reasonable. > > > > Why then don't you perform a full every day ? Wouldn't that cut your log > > time down to almost 0 ? Or is it a question of backup time ? > > > > At the moment, I have a backup time of around 2 hours for 24GB of data, > > which includes the NT system as well as the Exchange online stuff. > > > > Have you thought about a Bare Metal / Intelligent Disaster Recovery > > solution > > for your Exchange server ? > > > > Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 15:02 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > > Exchange > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > I have no work to do, Exchange does it automatically ! It just need > > > time... > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > René Lambelet > > > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > > > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > > > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > > > > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:59 PM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > > > Exchange > > > > > > > > Del, > > > > > > > > From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of > > > > backup-while-active and as easy to restore. > > > > > > > > Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has > > to > > > > work > > > > rather hard once the restore has been done. > > > > > > > > I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM > > Exchange > > > > backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the > restore > > is > > > > easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in > > > order > > > > to > > > > get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but > > > rarely, > > > > an > > > > ISINTEG. > > > > > > > > One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full > > > restore > > > > including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to > restore > > + > > > 1 > > > > hour. > > > > > > > > I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster > > > Recovery, > > > > or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 14:38 > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for > MS > > > > > Exchange > > > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > > > >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> So let me ask if I may :
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
it is just a question of load, we backup more than 180 servers / night, bringing about 250 GB into our adsm server via network (in fact 2 networks, production and service). Rene > -Original Message- > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 2:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Rene, > > Ahhh, ok. Now that's more reasonable. > > Why then don't you perform a full every day ? Wouldn't that cut your log > time down to almost 0 ? Or is it a question of backup time ? > > At the moment, I have a backup time of around 2 hours for 24GB of data, > which includes the NT system as well as the Exchange online stuff. > > Have you thought about a Bare Metal / Intelligent Disaster Recovery > solution > for your Exchange server ? > > Mike > > > -Original Message- > > From: Lambelet,Rene,VEVEY,FC-SIL/INF. [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 15:02 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > Exchange > > > > Mike, > > > > I have no work to do, Exchange does it automatically ! It just need > > time... > > > > Regards, > > > > René Lambelet > > Nestec S.A. / Informatique du Centre > > 55, av. Nestlé CH-1800 Vevey (Switzerland) > > *+41'21'924'35'43 7+41'21'924'28'88 * K1-117 > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Visit our site: http://www.nestle.com > > > > This message is intended only for the use of the addressee and > > may contain information that is privileged and confidential. > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Mike Glassman - Admin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 1:59 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > > Exchange > > > > > > Del, > > > > > > From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of > > > backup-while-active and as easy to restore. > > > > > > Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has > to > > > work > > > rather hard once the restore has been done. > > > > > > I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM > Exchange > > > backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore > is > > > easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in > > order > > > to > > > get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but > > rarely, > > > an > > > ISINTEG. > > > > > > One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full > > restore > > > including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore > + > > 1 > > > hour. > > > > > > I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster > > Recovery, > > > or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 14:38 > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > > > > Exchange > > > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > > > >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. > > > > >> > > > > >> So let me ask if I may : > > > > >> > > > > >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the > > > services > > > > >> prior to backup ? > > > > > > > > In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your > > > > services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that > > were > > > > built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and > > > > run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use > > > > the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big > BUT... > > > > ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is > > built > > > > into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use > > > > TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and > check-summed > > > > to make sure it is consistent. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from > > > backup, > > > > and > > > > >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any > > > glitches > > > > that > > > > >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? > > > > > > > > I want to answer part of this question... > > > > You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to > > > > use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want > > > > to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not > > > > have to do this. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > Del > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Del Hoobler > > > > IBM Corporation > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Dell, At the moment I am staying with BE, but I am looking into TSM as a solutions as well, since we already have it, so there's no real reason not to check it out as well. Am looking to find out all I can prior to deciding what is best. Thanks, Mike > -Original Message- > From: Del Hoobler [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: â ðåáîáø 14 2000 15:11 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS > Exchange > > Mike, > > The restore and application of logs is all handled > for you by TDP for Exchange. I think what Rene was referring > to is the fact that if you generate a lot of logs > between your full backups, the log replay takes longer. > Log replay is ALWAYS done by the Exchange server no matter > what backup solution you are running. After a restore is > performed, when you restart your services, the logs are replayed. > The number of logs that must be replayed increases your > "total recovery time". Some of our customers run full > backups nightly to reduce their total recovery time. > > Even with Backup Exec, you have to go through the same process. > > And you should not have to run ISINTEG and/or do any type > of "patching". If you have to, then something is not > working like it is supposed to. > > I am trying to give you the facts of how TDP for Exchange works. > If you are happy with Backup Exec, stay with it. > > Thanks, > > Del > > > > Del Hoobler > IBM Corporation > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Mike Glassman - Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2000 > 07:59:28 AM > > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange > > > > Del, > > From what you say it seems it should be a rather forwards sort of > backup-while-active and as easy to restore. > > Yet in Rene's email of a short while ago today, it seems that he has to > work > rather hard once the restore has been done. > > I am very much questioning the need to drop BE and try the TSM Exchange > backup, as I have had extremely good results with BE, and the restore is > easy, fast and no need of manually applying logs to the database in order > to > get things in shape. A simple restore, reboot, and sometimes, but rarely, > an > ISINTEG. > > One other issue I like with BE today, is the ability to do a full restore > including OS and have everything work in the time it takes to restore + 1 > hour. > > I am still not so hot on the TSM version of Intelligent Disaster Recovery, > or Bare Metal Restore as it's called here. > > Mike
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Does TDP backup Exchange 2000? If not, what are the plans and how soon? Anybody know? -Original Message- From: Del Hoobler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange Mike, >> Seems that a lot of you are happy with the exchange backup. >> >> So let me ask if I may : >> >> 1. Do you backup Exchange while active or do you shut down the services >> prior to backup ? In order to use Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, your services must be running. It uses the Microsoft provided APIs that were built to run online backups. If you bring down the services and run a backup, you cannot use TDP for Exchange. You could use the standard backup archive client...BUT and this is a big BUT... ...you will not get online backup data integrity checking that is built into the Microsoft APIs and thus TDP for Exchange. When you use TDP for Exchange, every page of the database is read and check-summed to make sure it is consistent. >> >> 2. How many of you have had to restore your whole Exchange from backup, and >> how long did it take, and did it work fully or were there any glitches that >> had to be retouched to get it all running ? I want to answer part of this question... You should not have to "retouch" anything. Any if you do have to use ESEUTIL or whatever your favorite tool is... then we want to know about it because the APIs were built so that you do not have to do this. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mike Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange
Cathy, Tivoli Data Protection for Microsoft Exchange, Version 1, supports 5.0 and 5.5 only. Microsoft introduced all new APIs for backup and restore for Exchange 2000. The old APIs do not work which is why TDP for Exchange version 1 will not work with Exchange 2000. Tivoli is targeting Q1 2001 for Exchange 2000 support. Thanks, Del Del Hoobler IBM Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cathy Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2000 09:37:13 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: Your experience with Tivoli Data Protection for MS Exchange Does TDP backup Exchange 2000? If not, what are the plans and how soon? Anybody know?
