Re: Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used?
I would start with "q mount" and grep or find by volser. I have 11 mounted. C:\>find /c "T0" mount.txt -- MOUNT.TXT: 11 Andy Huebner -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Moyer, Joni M Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:55 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used? Hi everyone, I am trying to figure out how to count how many tape drives are in use concurrently on an hourly basis for just offsite tape drives. Does anyone know a quick and easy way to figure this out with a script? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates. This e-mail (including any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient or an authorized representative of an intended recipient, you are prohibited from using, copying or distributing the information in this e-mail or its attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. Thank you.
Re: Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used?
Hi Joni, I think we have a solution for you. Obeying list etiquette I will take this conversation offline. My details are below. Andrew Davies Gresham Storage Solutions D +1 512 407 2615 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Moyer, Joni M Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:55 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used? Hi everyone, I am trying to figure out how to count how many tape drives are in use concurrently on an hourly basis for just offsite tape drives. Does anyone know a quick and easy way to figure this out with a script? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Re: Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used?
There are the "TAPE MOUNT" entries in the SUMMARY table. Show what was mounted on where for how long. Wish I had a quick'n dirty Perl script or something to massage that in to a nice pert-like chart. If you have a way of identifying which drives are for offsite, you could work up something for a day pretty quickly. Bill Boyer -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Moyer, Joni M Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:55 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used? Hi everyone, I am trying to figure out how to count how many tape drives are in use concurrently on an hourly basis for just offsite tape drives. Does anyone know a quick and easy way to figure this out with a script? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Possible way to count total offsite tape media being used?
Hi everyone, I am trying to figure out how to count how many tape drives are in use concurrently on an hourly basis for just offsite tape drives. Does anyone know a quick and easy way to figure this out with a script? Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks! This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
Re: Any market for used tape media?
On Dec 15, 2007 6:27 PM, Roger Deschner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We may wind up buying a chipper machine, that reduces tapes and disk > drives to shreds. (Actually sounds like fun, and is probably accompanied > by lots of great noise. I think that destroying data in this manner will > wind up being pleasureable.) yet another truckload of plastic waste... sad. -- Warm regards, Michael Green
Re: Any market for used tape media?
. IF you are located in Illinois, by state law, you must either erase or degauss TEN (10) times. This makes it impractical from a labor standpoint. Physical destruction is really the only option, which we are currently considering as we do a technology update with a 595-cartridge tape library used with TSM. We may wind up buying a chipper machine, that reduces tapes and disk drives to shreds. (Actually sounds like fun, and is probably accompanied by lots of great noise. I think that destroying data in this manner will wind up being pleasureable.) The only tape format that can be degaussed and then reused is the DLT family, which has now been end-of-lifed by its main supporter, Quantum. (But still, by law you'd have to do it 10 times if you're in Illinois.) Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago [EMAIL PROTECTED] "No one may throw an old computer across the street at their neighbor." -- city ordinance, Warsaw, Indiana On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Curtis Preston wrote: >The erase function takes too long per tape to be used in bulk. > >--- >W. Curtis Preston >Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com >VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies > >-Original Message- >From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Schneider, John >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:27 AM >To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? > >Curtis, > 3590 tapes are where IBM servo tracks were first invented >(unless it was 3570, I may be mistaken). 3592 and LTO are follow-on >technologies built from those first ones. > De-guassing shouldn't be the only way this could be done. It >ought to be possible to write multiple passes of bit-patterns to a tape, >making the old data unreadable. > If you look at the "tapeutil" utility IBM provides with the >atape drivers, it includes an erase function. It would be easy to write >a program to mount the tapes in a drive one at a time to erase them. >But I could not find any documentation online that really explained what >the erase function was doing, and if it was thorough enough to withstand >HIPAA requirements. > >Best Regards, > >John D. Schneider >Lead Systems Administrator - Storage >Sisters of Mercy Health Systems >3637 South Geyer Road >St. Louis, MO 63127 >Phone: 314-364-3150 >Cell: 314-486-2359 >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-Original Message- >From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Curtis Preston >Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 AM >To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? > > >De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of >tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats >useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's >because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the >servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) > >My opinion: It's not worth the risk. > >--- >W. Curtis Preston >Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com >VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies > >-Original Message- >From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Schneider, John >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM >To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? > >Greetings, > We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about >to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the >3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used >tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase >them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing >data? > > >Best Regards, > >John D. Schneider >Lead Systems Administrator - Storage >Sisters of Mercy Health Systems >3637 South Geyer Road >St. Louis, MO 63127 >Phone: 314-364-3150 >Cell: 314-486-2359 >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Any market for used tape media?
I didn't say it was the only way. I said it was the only practical way. The erase function takes too long per tape to be used in bulk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:27 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Curtis, 3590 tapes are where IBM servo tracks were first invented (unless it was 3570, I may be mistaken). 3592 and LTO are follow-on technologies built from those first ones. De-guassing shouldn't be the only way this could be done. It ought to be possible to write multiple passes of bit-patterns to a tape, making the old data unreadable. If you look at the "tapeutil" utility IBM provides with the atape drivers, it includes an erase function. It would be easy to write a program to mount the tapes in a drive one at a time to erase them. But I could not find any documentation online that really explained what the erase function was doing, and if it was thorough enough to withstand HIPAA requirements. Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) My opinion: It's not worth the risk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any market for used tape media?
The tape erase function is written up in the tape driver prog ref. ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/devdrvr/Doc/IBM_Tape_Driver_PROGREF.pdf But it does not talk of HIPPA. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:27 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Curtis, 3590 tapes are where IBM servo tracks were first invented (unless it was 3570, I may be mistaken). 3592 and LTO are follow-on technologies built from those first ones. De-guassing shouldn't be the only way this could be done. It ought to be possible to write multiple passes of bit-patterns to a tape, making the old data unreadable. If you look at the "tapeutil" utility IBM provides with the atape drivers, it includes an erase function. It would be easy to write a program to mount the tapes in a drive one at a time to erase them. But I could not find any documentation online that really explained what the erase function was doing, and if it was thorough enough to withstand HIPAA requirements. Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) My opinion: It's not worth the risk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any market for used tape media?
Curtis, 3590 tapes are where IBM servo tracks were first invented (unless it was 3570, I may be mistaken). 3592 and LTO are follow-on technologies built from those first ones. De-guassing shouldn't be the only way this could be done. It ought to be possible to write multiple passes of bit-patterns to a tape, making the old data unreadable. If you look at the "tapeutil" utility IBM provides with the atape drivers, it includes an erase function. It would be easy to write a program to mount the tapes in a drive one at a time to erase them. But I could not find any documentation online that really explained what the erase function was doing, and if it was thorough enough to withstand HIPAA requirements. Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) My opinion: It's not worth the risk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any market for used tape media?
The servo track holds true for all 359x tapes. 3480 and 3490 can be safely degauss and reused -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Preston Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Any market for used tape media? De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) My opinion: It's not worth the risk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any market for used tape media?
De-gaussing is the only practical way to erase a significant quantity of tapes, and degaussing will render a number of modern tape formats useless forever. One of them is LTO. Not sure about 3x9x. (It's because, in addition to removing the data, degaussing also removes the servo tracks on the tape, and the drive won't recognize the tape.) My opinion: It's not worth the risk. --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Schneider, John Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:28 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Any market for used tape media? Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any market for used tape media?
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:27:57PM -0600, Schneider, John wrote: > Greetings, > We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about > to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the > 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used > tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase > them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing > data? There are a few, if you contact me offline, I will send you the name of one that I trust very much. bob
Any market for used tape media?
Greetings, We have thousands of 3590, 3592, and LTO tapes which are about to be decommissioned when their tape libraries are replaced. Some of the 3592 and LTO tapes are only 1-2 years old. Is there any market for used tape media? And if so, do any of you know of a way to sufficiently erase them so that they can be sold without security concerns about releasing data? Best Regards, John D. Schneider Lead Systems Administrator - Storage Sisters of Mercy Health Systems 3637 South Geyer Road St. Louis, MO 63127 Phone: 314-364-3150 Cell: 314-486-2359 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
**New** 3590 Tape Media
Greetings, TSMers! Since the new 3590 H1A Tape upgrades have been out for a while now, is there also a new tape capacity that holds more than the K-type media? Just checking because the H1A drives are writing 384 tracks to a cartridge capable of 180 GB w/ 3:1 compression! Thanks in advance! -- D. Malbrough UNIX Storage Specialist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tape media cost?
PC Connection lists Fuji at $90 each, so you should be able to get a better price in quantity from someone. I'm a bit surprised, actually -- about 5 months ago the best price I saw was $107 in quantities of 100. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc > -Original Message- > From: Wayne T. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 4:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Tape media cost? > > > I'm curious: what should LTO media cost, in round numbers? > cheers, wayne > > Wayne T. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ADSM Technical Coordinator - UNET University of Maine System >
Re: tape media
1. Not with 100% warranty but is somewhat possible (especially for the case in q2). Without the DB you do not know what modification of the file is this but contents are visible. 2. In essence yes but if encryption is not used. You still can use TSM client encryption (56-bit DES) to prevent plain text read. If 56-bit is not enough you will need to encrypt data (somehow) before backup. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by:"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:tape media 2 questions.. 1. Is it possible to recover the data from a tape without the TSM server. I.e. I give someone the tape with some data on it but do not give them a copy of the TSM DB. My understanding is no but I just wanted to confirm there was no 3rd party method of doing so or some expensive ibm service that might be able to do it in a worse case scenario. 2. Even if #1 isn't possible, I assume it's still possible to at least read the tape bit by bit. While it may not be possible to reconstruct files from the data on there, if the data is textual (text files, emails, etc) one could possibly read the data there by displaying the bits in ASCii form. Correct? Specifically I'm speculating on what level of security there is in an individual tape in terms of what someone could do with it if it has sensitive data on it. Gerald Wichmann Sr. Systems Development Engineer Zantaz, Inc. 925.598.3099 w 408.836.9062 c
tape media
2 questions.. 1. Is it possible to recover the data from a tape without the TSM server. I.e. I give someone the tape with some data on it but do not give them a copy of the TSM DB. My understanding is no but I just wanted to confirm there was no 3rd party method of doing so or some expensive ibm service that might be able to do it in a worse case scenario. 2. Even if #1 isn't possible, I assume it's still possible to at least read the tape bit by bit. While it may not be possible to reconstruct files from the data on there, if the data is textual (text files, emails, etc) one could possibly read the data there by displaying the bits in ASCii form. Correct? Specifically I'm speculating on what level of security there is in an individual tape in terms of what someone could do with it if it has sensitive data on it. Gerald Wichmann Sr. Systems Development Engineer Zantaz, Inc. 925.598.3099 w 408.836.9062 c
