Re: how to integrated adwords api?

2016-07-19 Thread Richest Soft
we have get already developer token. also download "Adword PHP client 
library."
But we have not understand, how to implement this on our local environment.
Please elaborate this. 


Also get the Client ID,Client secret and omanager id, access token or 
refresh token.

Thanks

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Re: Client version 2.15.0

2016-07-19 Thread 'Joyce Lava' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Binaya,

Yes, AdWords API v201601 is set to sunset on August 27, 2016 based from the 
deprecation 
schedule . 
Since it is deprecated and will be sunset, we encourage to migrate to the 
latest version v201605. Please refer to the migration guide 
 and 
the client libraries 
. 

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Re: you called the draw method with the wrong type of data rather than a DataTable or DataView

2016-07-19 Thread 'Peter Oliquino' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Roby,

This forum is for AdWords API related cases. The team from Apps Script 
might be able to help you with the issue. Please post the question above 
through this link . 

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Re: AdWords API Python - Internal Error or Parsing Error

2016-07-19 Thread tejas
Hm, that does not parse the CSV though. Other than that, it's practically 
the same, no?

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> Hi Tejas,
>
> Have you tried using the download_criteria_report_as_stream.py 
> 
>  example 
> to stream AdWords reports? Could you use the below code snippet to process 
> *stream_data*?
>
>
>  try:
>while True: 
>   chunk = stream_data.read(CHUNK_SIZE) 
>   if not chunk: break 
>   report_data.write(chunk.decode() if sys.version_info[0] 
>   == 3 and getattr(report_data, 'mode', 'w') 
> == 'w' else chunk) 
>print report_data.getvalue() 
> finally: 
>report_data.close() 
>stream_data.close()
>
> If this doesn't work, please provide the complete report definition used 
> and any error message received along with your clientCustomerID. Please use 
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Re: AdWords API Python - Internal Error or Parsing Error

2016-07-19 Thread Tejas Manohar
Hm, that doesn't parse the CSV though.

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>
> Have you tried using the download_criteria_report_as_stream.py
> 
>  example
> to stream AdWords reports? Could you use the below code snippet to process
> *stream_data*?
>
>
>  try:
>while True:
>   chunk = stream_data.read(CHUNK_SIZE)
>   if not chunk: break
>   report_data.write(chunk.decode() if sys.version_info[0]
>   == 3 and getattr(report_data, 'mode', 'w')
> == 'w' else chunk)
>print report_data.getvalue()
> finally:
>report_data.close()
>stream_data.close()
>
> If this doesn't work, please provide the complete report definition used
> and any error message received along with your clientCustomerID. Please use 
> *Reply
> privately to author* when responding.
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How to organize CrmBasedUserList refresh via API

2016-07-19 Thread Alexander B
Hi,
*background:*

I'm developing a tool that will allow marketing manager to upload customer 
emails to Google Adwords via API.
I'm using .NET client library 
- https://github.com/googleads/googleads-dotnet-lib
I call API endpoint using  AdwordsUserListService v201605,   
CrmBasedUserList type

Docs say that I can make three types of operations for a User List: *ADD*, 
*SET* and *REMOVE*.
When list is uploaded first time, I can fire a bunch of batch ADD requests 
to the API, and list will be eventually filled up.
But what about list refresh? I will need the list in google to contain only 
members I have to upload.

*I see 2 options:*

   1. SET operation + N ADD operations. 
  1. Create a SET operation with first 10.000 users, and submit it. 
  This will overwrite the list, and members that do not exist in new list 
  will be removed.
  2. Create and submit N ADD operations for the rest of users, not 
  included in the first SET
   2. Compute difference and construct needed ADD and REMOVE operations
  1. Having previously uploaded state stored somewhere on my side, I 
  compare it with incoming list that should replace the current one in 
Google
  2. Comparison will give me two sets of users: those to add and those 
  to remove
  3. Make required number of ADD and REMOVE requests to the API
   

To me looks like the first option is easier, because I don't need to store 
last upload data for each list and have comparison logic in place.

*What I don't know is *

- is there a guarantee that SET operations following by a number of ADD 
execute in and order of submission? Will ADD start only after SET is 
finished?
- is this correct: after first SET is finished, list will be updated 
transactionally to contain on members for SET operation, and then ADD 
operations will start to happen?
If so, it means that for some time, until ADD operations are finished, my 
list will contain just a part of the data, and it that can affect campaigns 
the list is used in?

Considering the above, what option is preferrable, or is there a better way 
to make a list refresh?


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Traffic Estimator Service for R | Structure for a Curl Request?

2016-07-19 Thread Pascal-Philippe Bergeron
Hi all,

We are looking at building a Traffic Estimator Library in R. For as much as 
i've seen, other R Library for Google API REST command manage to do it 
through Curl.

The team and I were wondering if anyone has information on how we would 
structure the CURL request for the traffic estimator.

Here is the exampe of functioning Request for the AdWords Report functions

 data <- RCurl::getURL(paste("
https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/reportdownload/v;, 
   apiVersion, sep = ""), httpheader = c(Authorization = google.auth, 
   developerToken = credlist$auth.developerToken, clientCustomerId = 
clientCustomerId, 
   includeZeroImpressions = includeZeroImpressions), postfields = 
statement, 
   verbose = verbose, cainfo = cert, ssl.verifypeer = TRUE)

Any help on this?

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you called the draw method with the wrong type of data rather than a DataTable or DataView

2016-07-19 Thread Rc B
hey, 

i have a strange behaviour regarding the charts on spreadsheet (images, not 
embedded), 
i generated a few charts on the same page, it worked perfectly till one day 
some of the charts failed to create 
and instead i see a red message as follow: 
"you called the draw method with the wrong type of data rather than a 
DataTable or DataView" 
it seems to occur randomly without any logic explanation. 

at start, i thought this is a data related issue (wrong values or type), so 
i added some dummy unify data and still got the same error 

i have to fix this issue asap, its a daily report for clients i manage (a 
couple of hundreds different clients) 
please, can anyone recognize this issue and can point me to the correct 
cause and solution of the matter? 

using adwords script with blob charts on spreadsheet

thanks, Roby (-:  

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Re: Can you Anchor Bids to a Device?

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anthony Madrigal' via AdWords API Forum
Hello Stacie,

This article may be referring to the Bid Modifiers 
 
for 
devices. Currently, bid modifiers are only available for Mobile platforms 
in production accounts, whereas they are available for *all *Platform 
criteria in test accounts.

Please let me know if this is not what you are referring to.

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Re: No Campaigns being returned by API

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anthony Madrigal' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Denny,

Since this is an old thread, could you please create a new one so that we 
can respond on there?

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Re: Report Feature Request: Cost Adjustment Report (incl. Click Fraud)

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anthony Madrigal' via AdWords API Forum
Hi guys,

Just wanted to let you know that InvalidClicks 

 is 
currently available in AdWords API.

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Re: No Campaigns being returned by API

2016-07-19 Thread Denny Crane
So I'm actually having this same issue. Here is how I'm set up:

--MCC
  -- test manager account
-- test adwords account
  -- test campaign

I'm using the MCC developer token (does not have production access) and the 
clientCustomerId for the test adwords account. I'm not getting any auth 
errors, only an empty result. Any ideas? 



On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 at 7:12:16 AM UTC-7, Josh Radcliff (AdWords 
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>
> Hi,
>
> Also, is the *clientCustomerId* in your header the customer ID of your 
> test *MCC* or your test *AdWords account* (child of your test MCC)? If 
> it's set to your MCC, please change it to your AdWords account -- an MCC 
> doesn't have any campaigns, so an empty response is expected if that's the 
> *clientCustomerId* specified.
>
> It sounds like your OAuth credentials at least match the 
> *clientCustomerId* in your header, else you would be getting an auth 
> error instead of an empty response. However, as Stacie recommended, if you 
> change the *clientCustomerId* to a different account you'll want to make 
> sure you're using OAuth credentials obtained while logged in as a user with 
> access to that account.
>
> Cheers,
> Josh, AdWords API Team
>
> On Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:46:33 AM UTC-4, Stacie Waleyko wrote:
>>
>> Maybe the OAuth credentials are incorrect? Did you remember to update 
>> them when you started using the test account? 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:43:58 AM UTC-7, ma...@clickedon.it wrote:
>>>
>>> I am having some issues with no campaigns coming back.
>>> I am requesting from my sandbox account. However, it won't return any 
>>> campaigns from either my main account or my test.
>>> I have campaigns in both. Here is what I am doing. 
>>>
>>> clientCustomerId - My test account
>>> developerToken - My main account
>>>
>>> Sadly, this all worked about 6 weeks ago. Any advice would be 
>>> appreciated.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Account account = mutationRequest.getAccount();
>>> // Get the CampaignService.
>>> CampaignServiceInterface campaignService = 
>>> getAdWordsService(account.getId(), CampaignServiceInterface.class);
>>>
>>> int offset = 0;
>>>
>>> String query = "SELECT Id, Name, Status";
>>>
>>> CampaignPage page = null;
>>> do {
>>>
>>> String pageQuery = query + String.format(" LIMIT %d, %d", offset, 
>>> PAGE_SIZE);
>>> // Get all campaigns.
>>> page = campaignService.query(pageQuery);
>>>
>>> // Display campaigns.
>>> if (page.getEntries() != null) {
>>> for (Campaign googleCampaign : page.getEntries()) {
>>> resolveConflicts(campaigns, account, googleCampaign);
>>> }
>>> }
>>>
>>> offset += PAGE_SIZE;
>>> } while (offset < page.getTotalNumEntries());
>>>
>>>
>>> REQUEST:
>>> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/; xmlns:xsd="
>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema; xmlns:xsi="
>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance;>
>>> 
>>> https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201402; 
>>> soapenv:mustUnderstand="0">
>>> 434-xx-xx24
>>> 
>>> W8Rmx-Rqn5A
>>> Cxxxt (AwApi-Java, AdWords-Axis/1.32.0, 
>>> Common-Java/1.32.0, Axis/1.4, Java/1.8.0_11, maven)
>>> false
>>> false
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201402
>>> ">
>>> SELECT Id, Name, Status LIMIT 0, 100
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> RESPONSE:
>>> http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/;>
>>> 
>>> https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201402;>
>>> 0005018aeb6ad1100abf81d794009ffa
>>> CampaignService
>>> query
>>> 1
>>> 365
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/cm/v201402;>
>>> 
>>> 0
>>> CampaignPage
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Migration of Aw reporting

2016-07-19 Thread 'Vishal Vinayak (Adwords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Mohamed,

The version that you are currently using, v201509, was sunset on June 21st 
2016. Please refer to this guide 
 to 
migrate to the v201603 version of the API, which is the latest version 
supported by the aw-reporting tool. 

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Re: Where to find job prerequisites in BatchJobService?

2016-07-19 Thread 'Vishal Vinayak (Adwords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Markus,

The Batch Processing guide 
 has 
complete details on how to migrate from MutateJobService. You can use 
temporary IDs in your request to allow for dependencies between operations. 
Also, the dependent operations are applied in the order that they appear in 
your upload. Therefore, you need to ensure that the operation that creates 
the parent object comes before the operation that creates the child object.

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Re: how to integrated adwords api?

2016-07-19 Thread 'Vishal Vinayak (Adwords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Richest Soft,

To be able to use the API, you would first need to sign up 
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access and then follow these steps 
 to 
make your first API call. This would involve generation of a developer 
token and OAuth credentials, both of which are needed to access the API, 
and setting up your local environment. Once your environment is set up, the 
GetCampaigns 

 code 
sample and the GetTextAds 

 code 
sample can help you accomplish the respective tasks. You can refer to more 
such examples in our PHP client library 
.

Hope this helps. Please feel free to revert in case you have further 
concerns.

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Can you Anchor Bids to a Device?

2016-07-19 Thread Stacie Waleyko
Hello,

This question is with regard to manual bidding. I want to confirm that the 
API does not support anchoring bids to a device. When bid modifiers by 
device type (mobile, desktop, and tablet) were announced at the Performance 
Summit it almost sounded like this was a new feature, "This lets you anchor 
your base keyword bid to the device most valuable to your business and then 
set bid adjustments for each of the other devices" 

 
- for example you could create a bid, specify that it is is anchored to 
mobile, and then set a desktop bid adjustment on top of it. This is not 
something that the API supports, right? I could not find any changes in 
CPCBid that would suggest this (no "anchor device" or "base device" field). 
I believe "Anchoring your base keyword bid to the device" is something you 
do when you decide the value of a bid and you do not specify the device 
when setting the bid. Is this correct?

Thank you,

Stacie

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Re: Supporting Creation/Updation of video campaigns through API

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anthony Madrigal' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Sagun,

Unfortunately, there are still no updates as to when creating/updating 
video campaigns will be added to the API. 

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Supporting Creation/Updation of video campaigns through API

2016-07-19 Thread sagun . tumkar
Hi AdWords API Team,

Is there any update on adding a support in API to create/update video 
campaigns? 

Thanks,
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Re: Video Ads - How to pull metrics from Adwords API.

2016-07-19 Thread sagun . tumkar
Hi AdWords API Team,

Is there any update on adding a support in API to create/update video 
campaigns? 

Thanks,
Sagun

On Wednesday, January 25, 2012 at 4:16:36 AM UTC-8, Nakul Ringshia wrote:
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> Hi 
>
> I need to pull the following metrics for the video ads 
> Ad 
> Ad previews 
> Video 
> Impressions 
> Views 
> View Rate 
> Avg. CPV 
> Total Cost 
> Website clicks 
>
> I looked at the Ad Performance reports but it does not provide the 
> above fields. How can the retrieve the above metrics using the AdWords 
> API. 
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Re: exact matches KeywordTextMatchingQuery dont have [] within the downloaded file

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anthony Madrigal' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Raghu,

This is intended behavior for the API reports. If you would like to get the 
match type of the keyword, you can use the field QueryMatchTypeWithVariant 
.
 
There are some minor changes with UI and API reports such as field names.

Please let me know if you have any other issues.

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Re: TrafficEstimator - different values from UI and API

2016-07-19 Thread Rachel Carvalho
After I checked the code more closely, I fount that those differences came 
from network settings being different on my request and the UI.

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> Hi! I'm using the TrafficEstimatorService with apparently the same 
> keywords, max CPC and location. Also I'm using the same client customer id. 
> But I'm still getting slightly different numbers. Is this supposed to 
> happen?
>
> I've attached a screenshot of the Adwords UI results and my request and 
> the response.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Rachel Carvalho
>
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Re: Problems setting up Adwords API with python ... please help

2016-07-19 Thread žiga preell
EDIT: We solved the problem with creating Test account from our 
neighborhood country (Italy).

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Re: QualityScore Field in KEYWORD_PERFORMANCE_REPORT is zero

2016-07-19 Thread 'Anash P. Oommen (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Sebastian,

I'll work on updating the docs, meanwhile here's the behaviour for your 
reference.

1) QS is (still) a number in the range 1-10.
2) Starting v201605, you get -- if there's no quality score information for 
a keyword. HasQualityScore will be set to false in this case.
3) You may get 0 for quality information in some cases, but it is 
equivalent to (2). The keyword has no quality score information, and 
HasQualityScore will be set to false.

You can use the HasQualityScore to interpret this correctly. If 
HasQualityScore = TRUE, then you can interpret the quality score 
information. If the column is false, then no quality score information is 
available. This is covered in our advanced reporting guide 

.

Cheers,
Anash

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 8:55:21 AM UTC-4, 
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> Looking at your predicates I bet one of the following is the case:
>> - The keyword status is removed, or possibly the group it belongs to is 
>> removed, or the campaign it belongs to is removed.
>> - The keyword id is 306, and the keyword itself is "AutomaticContent".
>> - The keyword id is 304, and the keyword itself is "AutomaticKeyword"
>>
>
> The documentation is still incorrect.
> Looking deeper into this issue I found all the cases that Zweitze 
> mentioned. The QS is zero in at least all those cases.
> I find it very misleading that the documentations says the value is always 
> either "--" or a number in range [1 ; 10]
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Re: Problems setting up Adwords API with python ... please help

2016-07-19 Thread zigapregelj2
Hello,

I tried to create Maneger test account at least 7 times, but it doesn't 
make one, i tried all options, creating it in chrome incognito, firefox, 
with gmail and with other mail providers, but all it does, it creates a new 
account but red stripe with "This is a test account" is not in any of those 
... And also if i go to options there isn't any API Center and therefore 
any developer token (I tried creating maneger TEST account and then client 
test account).

I did all this with provided links on this 

 page, 
went trought all documentation almost 20+ times ... Also when i create a 
test account with my new google account and mail, it redirects me back to 
creating test account, only now email field for test account is email that 
i used and i am logged in "test" account i created moments ago (i can see 
that in upper rigt corner)... 

It might be some mistake in my country's google servers (Slovenia), if you 
made test acc from your country and it worked...

Thanks for help,
Žiga 

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Migration of Aw reporting

2016-07-19 Thread mohamed nawas
Hi,

When I try to run the AW reporting, it shows me the following error,

*You are accessing an AdWords API version v201509 that has been 
discontinued. Calls to this version may fail. Please visit the AdWords API 
blog for information on migration to the new AdWords API version*

I hope I need to update the API version, please guide me how to update the 
google AW reporting version.

*Thanks,*
*Nawas.*

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exact matches KeywordTextMatchingQuery dont have [] within the downloaded file

2016-07-19 Thread Raghu Kashyap
I am downloading the search performance report and everything seems fine 
except that there are no "[]" within the field KeywordTextMatchingQuery for 
exact matches. Is there anything different between API and manual UI 
download report?  I see those within the report if I download it from the 
UI.

SEARCH_PERFORMANCE_REPORT_30DAY = {
'reportName': 'Yesterday search performance report',
'dateRangeType': 'CUSTOM_DATE',
'reportType': 'SEARCH_QUERY_PERFORMANCE_REPORT',
'downloadFormat': 'CSV',
'selector': {
'dateRange': {'min':'20160717','max':'20160717'},
'fields': [
'AccountDescriptiveName',  # account
'Date',  # time_stamp
'Query',  # query
'QueryMatchTypeWithVariant',  # match_type
'AdGroupName',  # ad_group
'CampaignName',  # campaign
'KeywordTextMatchingQuery',  # keyword_text
'Clicks',  # click
'Impressions',  # impression
'Cost',  # cost
'Conversions',  # conversion
]
}
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how to integrated adwords api?

2016-07-19 Thread Richest Soft
We need to integrated adwords api?
How to get all campaigns and ads in php?

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Re: ERROR_GETTING_RESPONSE_FROM_BACKEND- Unable to read report data

2016-07-19 Thread 'Michael Cloonan (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum
Hello,

I am not able to reproduce this error. I'm wondering if it was a temporary 
issue. Is this still happening for you if you run the query now?

If it is, can you send me the customer ID you're running the query against 
so I can try running it on the account where it's actually happening?

Regards,
Mike, AdWords API Team

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 7:53:46 PM UTC-4, Sabri Karagönen wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm trying to download a report using KEYWORDS_PERFORMANCE_REPORT.
> Normally, I can download this report succesfully. However, when I add 
> labels to filter this report, I get error below:
> ERROR_GETTING_RESPONSE_FROM_BACKEND- Unable to read report data.
>
> My XML output is below, so you can examine it with details.
>
>
>
>1. in ReportUtils.php line 202
>2. at ReportUtils::DownloadReportFromUrl('
>https://adwords.google.com/api/adwords/reportdownload/v201603', 
> *array*('Authorization' 
>=> '***', 'developerToken' => '***', 'clientCustomerId' => '***', 
>'skipReportHeader' => 'true', 'skipColumnHeader' => 'true', 
>'skipReportSummary' => 'true'), *array*('__rdxml' => 'version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> 
>
> DateCampaignIdAdGroupIdIdCriteriaCpcBidImpressionsClicksConvertedClicksConversionsCampaignStatusINENABLEDAdGroupStatusINENABLEDStatusNOT_INPAUSEDAdNetworkType2INSEARCHSEARCH_PARTNERSLabelsCONTAINS_ANYBRNDBrand2016070820160717Criteria
>  
>performance report 
>
> #578d6b95d7483KEYWORDS_PERFORMANCE_REPORTCUSTOM_DATEXML'),
>  
>*null*)
>
> How can I fix this error?
>

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Re: QualityScore Field in KEYWORD_PERFORMANCE_REPORT is zero

2016-07-19 Thread sebastian . lamelas

>
> Looking at your predicates I bet one of the following is the case:
> - The keyword status is removed, or possibly the group it belongs to is 
> removed, or the campaign it belongs to is removed.
> - The keyword id is 306, and the keyword itself is "AutomaticContent".
> - The keyword id is 304, and the keyword itself is "AutomaticKeyword"
>

The documentation is still incorrect.
Looking deeper into this issue I found all the cases that Zweitze 
mentioned. The QS is zero in at least all those cases.
I find it very misleading that the documentations says the value is always 
either "--" or a number in range [1 ; 10]

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Re: Creating custom affinity audiences

2016-07-19 Thread nitzanmargalit
Thanks for the quick replay Joyce!

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016 at 12:58:02 PM UTC+3, Joyce Lava wrote:
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> Hi Nitzan,
>
> AdWords API does not support custom affinity audiences at this time. 
> Please keep an eye to our blog 
>  to 
> check on future updates and announcements.
>
> Best Regards,
> Joyce, AdWords API Team
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Re: Creating custom affinity audiences

2016-07-19 Thread 'Joyce Lava' via AdWords API Forum
Hi Nitzan,

AdWords API does not support custom affinity audiences at this time. Please 
keep an eye to our blog 
 to check 
on future updates and announcements.

Best Regards,
Joyce, AdWords API Team

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Where to find job prerequisites in BatchJobService?

2016-07-19 Thread markus . heiden
I am currently migration from the MutateJobService to the BatchJobService 
and cannot find job prerequisites in BatchJobService. 
How can I declare job dependencies with the new BatchJobService?
Are jobs for the same account get sequentially executed with the new 
BatchJobService instead?

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Creating custom affinity audiences

2016-07-19 Thread nitzanmargalit
Hi all,
I've seen that there is an option in the adwords UI to create custom 
affinity groups, base on keywords and/or urls supllied to the service.
Is there's an option to do so via the API? I've seen the 'Logical User 
List', but from I've understand so far it's only for operations on existing 
usr lists.
Any advice will be appreciaterd.
Thanks in advance,
Nitzan

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