Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[John Osmon]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:24:04PM -0600, Jason McKemie wrote:
> Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
> tomorrow though.

Dollar cost average into an ETF, and forget about it.

Any other strategy is unlikely to beat that in the long run.

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Re: [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

[David Coudron]

Hi Sam,

We are still learning, but are pretty optimistic about what we’ll be able to do 
with this system.


  1.  Yes, that is the OID of the Downlink frame utilization from our other 
monitoring system.  I haven’t tested it out yet, but a similar rule is working 
for our Tycon TPDIN MonitorWebs.
  2.  The Map To:  is a Device Group that we set up and auto pulled the Cambium 
APs into it.   That way the rule is applied to all Cambium APs by default.

Feel free to keep in touch, we are just getting our feet wet and I am guessing 
we’ll have questions too.  I did find a consultant who specializes in LibreNMS. 
 Seems like he knows his stuff.   I had him write us a special, calculated 
value based on 5 different OIDs.   That thing is going to be a life saver.

Thanks,

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[cid:image005.jpg@01D3B205.35B0DBC0]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:10 PM
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David,

Thank you Sir! A couple of questions if you have a moment. Is that the entire 
MIB in the second field for frame utilization?
And Under Map To: You have a field labeled Cambium AP. What does that do?
I might have more questions!

Sam

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:52 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
Sam,

I am far from an expert, but we do have a few alerts working in LibreNMS.   If 
you are doing frame utilization, I am guessing this is on Cambium AP?   If so, 
we are just messing around setting this up.   I think this one will work:
[cid:image002.png@01D4B751.50404410]

Regards,

David Coudron


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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

Ok,
I have been diving deep into this and am at a wall. I want to have LNMS alert 
me when ANY of my AP's have a frame/downlink utilization go above 90%

Under Alerts Rule, is access_points.radioutil the correct one to choose? Are 
there templates for alerts and graphs that anyone wants to share with me?

Thanks
Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

[Sam Lambie]

David,

Thank you Sir! A couple of questions if you have a moment. Is that the
entire MIB in the second field for frame utilization?
And Under Map To: You have a field labeled Cambium AP. What does that do?
I might have more questions!

Sam

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 6:52 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> Sam,
>
>
>
> I am far from an expert, but we do have a few alerts working in
> LibreNMS.   If you are doing frame utilization, I am guessing this is on
> Cambium AP?   If so, we are just messing around setting this up.   I think
> this one will work:
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 4:22 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts
>
>
>
> Ok,
>
> I have been diving deep into this and am at a wall. I want to have LNMS
> alert me when ANY of my AP's have a frame/downlink utilization go above 90%
>
>
>
> Under Alerts Rule, is access_points.radioutil the correct one to choose?
> Are there templates for alerts and graphs that anyone wants to share with
> me?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Chuck McCown]

It seems to track most index funds pretty well.  Has made me good money over 
the years.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

Thanks. 

Yeah, I was thinking the same about Tesla, although it did just drop about 50 
points the past couple weeks.

It looks like FXAIX is the new symbol for FUSVX, what is it about that fund 
that you like? 

On Monday, January 28, 2019,  wrote:

  Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
  My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

  Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla because 
it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report tomorrow 
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Re: [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

[David Coudron]

Sam,

I am far from an expert, but we do have a few alerts working in LibreNMS.   If 
you are doing frame utilization, I am guessing this is on Cambium AP?   If so, 
we are just messing around setting this up.   I think this one will work:
[cid:image002.png@01D4B742.D71F8A40]

Regards,

David Coudron


From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

Ok,
I have been diving deep into this and am at a wall. I want to have LNMS alert 
me when ANY of my AP's have a frame/downlink utilization go above 90%

Under Alerts Rule, is access_points.radioutil the correct one to choose? Are 
there templates for alerts and graphs that anyone wants to share with me?

Thanks
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[AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Jason McKemie]

Thanks.

Yeah, I was thinking the same about Tesla, although it did just drop about
50 points the past couple weeks.

It looks like FXAIX is the new symbol for FUSVX, what is it about that fund
that you like?

On Monday, January 28, 2019,  wrote:

> Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.
> My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Stocks
>
> Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
> tomorrow though.
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[TJ Trout]

Knock on wood, we only get about 1-2 ddos a year with ~10k subs, we have
blackhole communities setup for mitigation but usually the attack stops
before we can even identify the attack and destination. "knocks on wood"

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 3:22 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Could be revenge for something like one of our guys bragged about the
> other day.  He and his buddy were playing and made a bet.  The next guy to
> get killed had to pay the other guy $100 (outside of the game).  Our guy
> promptly ran up behind his buddy in the game and shot him in the back of
> the head.  He was very proud of winning the bet……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 4:57 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
>
>
>
> Friendly fire is on for realism.  It's so you have to check your targets
> and not just turn every corner already shooting, nor can you use
> grenades indiscriminately.
>
> As to why they do it, sometimes you can see them losing their temper at
> a teammate over some perceived slight then they pop a few rounds into
> their buddy.  Sometimes it's retaliation for being killed by their
> teammate.  Every now and then you get some person who joins the game
> seemingly just to silently shoot their own team in the back.  I don't
> know what motivates that last person. Maybe they're an enraged
> adolescent who feels powerless in real life and thrills in exercising
> power over another person even if it's in a trivial way..or maybe
> he's just a dick.
>
> I mostly play older games now, like Day of Defeat.  The community is a
> lot smaller and everyone is more polite.
>
>
> On 1/28/2019 10:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> > I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.
> >
> > Nate Burke wrote:
> >> So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?
> >>
> >> On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >>> He killed someone else on his own team.
> >>>
> >>> A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT
> >>> issues are what they are.
> >>>
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> >>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> >>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> >>> *Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
> >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
> >>>
> >>> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
> >>> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
> >>> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
> >>> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[James Howard]

Could be revenge for something like one of our guys bragged about the other 
day.  He and his buddy were playing and made a bet.  The next guy to get killed 
had to pay the other guy $100 (outside of the game).  Our guy promptly ran up 
behind his buddy in the game and shot him in the back of the head.  He was very 
proud of winning the bet..

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 4:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Friendly fire is on for realism.  It's so you have to check your targets
and not just turn every corner already shooting, nor can you use
grenades indiscriminately.

As to why they do it, sometimes you can see them losing their temper at
a teammate over some perceived slight then they pop a few rounds into
their buddy.  Sometimes it's retaliation for being killed by their
teammate.  Every now and then you get some person who joins the game
seemingly just to silently shoot their own team in the back.  I don't
know what motivates that last person. Maybe they're an enraged
adolescent who feels powerless in real life and thrills in exercising
power over another person even if it's in a trivial way..or maybe
he's just a dick.

I mostly play older games now, like Day of Defeat.  The community is a
lot smaller and everyone is more polite.


On 1/28/2019 10:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.
>
> Nate Burke wrote:
>> So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?
>>
>> On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> He killed someone else on his own team.
>>>
>>> A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT
>>> issues are what they are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
>>>
>>> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
>>> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
>>> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
>>> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
>>> who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
>>> are there still P2P games out there?
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Adam Moffett]

Friendly fire is on for realism.  It's so you have to check your targets 
and not just turn every corner already shooting, nor can you use 
grenades indiscriminately.


As to why they do it, sometimes you can see them losing their temper at 
a teammate over some perceived slight then they pop a few rounds into 
their buddy.  Sometimes it's retaliation for being killed by their 
teammate.  Every now and then you get some person who joins the game 
seemingly just to silently shoot their own team in the back.  I don't 
know what motivates that last person. Maybe they're an enraged 
adolescent who feels powerless in real life and thrills in exercising 
power over another person even if it's in a trivial way..or maybe 
he's just a dick.


I mostly play older games now, like Day of Defeat.  The community is a 
lot smaller and everyone is more polite.



On 1/28/2019 10:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.

Nate Burke wrote:

So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?

On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

He killed someone else on his own team.

A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT 
issues are what they are.




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*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
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Re: [AFMUG] Redline?

[Tim Withrow via AF]

I would even take real world results with a grain of salt right now.
 I just have not been able to trust data from beta testers for any of the 
equipment manufacturers who are doing pre-sales and test equipment.

On Monday, January 28, 2019 Ben Royer  wrote:

Anyone using this yet? Real world not sales pitch.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[Adam Moffett]

I saw what you did there

On 1/28/2019 9:50 AM, Ben Royer wrote:

There is no Chromebook. only Azulle..

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It is an Azulle Access3.

-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: I did it

This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer. Boots to 
the
login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in 
about
45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and 
easy.
Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the 
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[AFMUG] LibreNMS Alerts

[Sam Lambie]

Ok,
I have been diving deep into this and am at a wall. I want to have LNMS
alert me when ANY of my AP's have a frame/downlink utilization go above 90%

Under Alerts Rule, is access_points.radioutil the correct one to choose?
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[AFMUG] Redline?

[Ben Royer]

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[chuck]

It took a big hit this fall, that is why it is looking good.  I pulled out of 
it last summer when it was up in the $105 area.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

Do I read correctly that the FUSVX fund has a 2.98% return?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

  Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
  My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

  Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla because 
it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report tomorrow 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Sam Lambie]

Do I read correctly that the FUSVX fund has a 2.98% return?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

> Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.
> My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Stocks
>
> Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[chuck]

Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla because it 
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[AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Sean Heskett]

Regardless, we tell them that if they are ever the subject of a DDoS attack
again then we will immediately terminate their service for violation of our
terms.  We have to protect the integrity of our network for all users.  If
they push back then we push harder and say “well something you did (or your
kids did) pissed someone off so stop it!”

They almost always immediately change their gaming behavior and if they
don’t then they are gone for our network.

-Sean


On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 7:49 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
> who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
> are there still P2P games out there?
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Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

[chuck]

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-releases-open-internet-order

REPORT AND ORDER ON REMAND, DECLARATORY RULING, AND ORDER
Adopted:  February 26, 2015   
Released:  March 12, 2015

(we are BIAS providers)

  118   “Broadband Internet access service” [BIAS] continues to 
include services provided over any technology platform, including but not 
limited to wire, terrestrial wireless (including fixed and mobile wireless 
services using licensed or unlicensed spectrum), and satellite.[1]  “Broadband 
Internet access service” encompasses all providers of broadband Internet access 
service, as we delineate them here, regardless of whether they lease or own the 
facilities used to provide the service.[2]  “Fixed” broadband Internet access 
service refers to a broadband Internet access service that serves end users 
primarily at fixed endpoints using stationary equipment, such as the modem that 
connects an end user’s home router, computer, or other Internet access device 
to the network.[3]  The term encompasses the delivery of fixed broadband over 
any medium, including various forms of wired broadband services (e.g., cable, 
DSL, fiber), fixed wireless broadband services (including fixed services using 
unlicensed spectrum), and fixed satellite broadband services.  “Mobile” 
broadband Internet access service refers to a broadband Internet access service 
that serves end users primarily using mobile stations.[4]  It also includes 
services that use smartphones or mobile-network-enabled tablets as the primary 
endpoints for connection to the Internet,[5] as well as mobile satellite 
broadband services.[6]

(BIAS is under the authority of Title II)

  204.  Broadband Internet access service involves the exchange 
of traffic between a last-mile broadband provider and connecting networks.[1]  
The representation to retail customers that they will be able to reach “all or 
substantially all Internet endpoints” necessarily includes the promise to make 
the interconnection arrangements necessary to allow that access.  As a 
telecommunications service, broadband Internet access service implicitly 
includes an assertion that the broadband provider will make just and reasonable 
efforts to transmit and deliver its customers’ traffic to and from “all or 
substantially all Internet endpoints” under sections 201 and 202 of the Act.  
In any event, BIAS provider practices with respect to such arrangements are 
plainly “for and in connection with” the BIAS service.[2]  Thus, disputes 
involving a provider of broadband Internet access service regarding Internet 
traffic exchange arrangements that interfere with the delivery of a broadband 
Internet access service end user’s traffic are subject to our authority under 
Title II of the Act.[3]

(Title II allows access to ROWs)

  413Title II also “offers other benefits at the state level, including 
access to public rights of way,” which some broadband providers reportedly 
utilize to deploy networks.[5]  



While this was repealed by Trumps folks, the SEC took over regulation of Title 
II and BIAS with respect to access to ROWs.  I can dig up those citations but 
if you give a local regulator these three citations most will probably not dig 
so much that you will have to counter the argument that this was all done away 
with.  





From: Chris Fabien 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 7:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

Chuck we don't really have unincorporated areas like some states do. The base 
level of local government is a general law township. All of the state is by 
default divided into townships. An area can then be "upgraded" to a City, 
Village or Charter township. But there is no land that is not subject to some 
local government. The state law (METRO Act) is a mandate for a universal 
permitting system for ROW access (meaning occupancy, not construction, that's 
different). Many of the rural townships have no idea about this permitting 
requirement. We have had to educate them all about why they are required to 
issue us a permit. It's actually a nice system because it's a shall-issue 
permit in 45-days, and if they don't reply it's granted by default. 
Construction permits are handled by the county road comission, or by the 
city/village in an incorporated area, and they seem to have more leeway about 
requirements. There are some counties that area very hard to work with, others 
it's almost a free for all.  



On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

I would use the footnote from the now defunct perhaps net neutrality that 
coined and defined a BIAS provider as a quasi public entity.  
Just state you are a BIAS provider as defined by the FCC.  Give them a copy of 
the 477 and say that the internet is defined as interstate commerce.  Then lay 
on them the new small cell order.  All 160+ pages printed out.  

Perhaps bury them in enough paperwork and t

Re: [AFMUG] the list

[Steve Jones]

thats the iceberg, this is the titanic

On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 11:38 AM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> if that happened on a cellphone it would take you straight to voicemail lol
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 3:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the list
>
> A (local) friend just told me about a robocall he got and the caller id
> was HIS phone. How dumb is that robo software?
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>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:22 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well you do have to pass a basic Turing test to be accepted here. Unlike
>> that clever robocall I got this week.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2019, at 2:14 PM, Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Well. Unlike the members,will just call the list wackynunu, that's just
>> bizarre and picky. Maybe it has an AI that someone is feeding  the markov
>> bots and it's just come up with a disposition of its own to weed or
>> eradicate what it decides.  :)
>>
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>>
>> In some defense, I had to subscribe three times over about a two year
>> period to finally get on the list
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 1:46 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it should be more complicated... a sort of a test you need to pass
>> to prove that you're good enough to be here!
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:15 AM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Self moderating...
>>
>> On 01/26/2019 09:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Cryptic...  hmmm  I guess you need to be able to master the cryptic
>> > sign up process to be worthy to live here?
>> > *From:* Jason Wilson
>> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 9:56 AM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the list
>> > image1.png
>> >
>> > Jason Wilson
>> > Remotely Located
>> > Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places
>> > 530-651-1736 Office
>> > 530-748-9608 Cell
>> > www.remotelylocated.com 
>> >
>> > On Jan 26, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Government shutdown.
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>> >> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:42 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Lots of new subscriptions lately.  Wonder what is driving it?
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Ken Hohhof]

I assume that’s part of why Nate’s asking, to determine what action if any to 
take against customer, who probably considers himself a victim or doesn’t 
understand what his kid did, or the collateral damage.

 

I’ve had mixed results giving customers multiple strikes before disconnecting 
them.  Usually they get the message and there never is a second strike.  But if 
they do go to a strike 2, it seems they won’t clean up their act until you fire 
them, and then they start crying and pleading.

 

So in a way, anything more than 1 strike seems too lenient.

 

No soup for you!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

 

Most DDoS's we get are kids talking smack on group chat during game play. 3 
strikes and they're out!

 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 9:04 AM Jay Weekley mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > wrote:

I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.

Nate Burke wrote:
> So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?
>
> On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> He killed someone else on his own team.
>>
>> A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT 
>> issues are what they are.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
>>
>> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
>> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
>> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
>> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
>> who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
>> are there still P2P games out there?
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Eric Muehleisen]

Most DDoS's we get are kids talking smack on group chat during game play. 3
strikes and they're out!

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 9:04 AM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.
>
> Nate Burke wrote:
> > So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?
> >
> > On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> He killed someone else on his own team.
> >>
> >> A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT
> >> issues are what they are.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >> <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> >> The Brothers WISP 
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> >> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> >> *Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
> >> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations
> >>
> >> Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
> >> hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
> >> offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
> >> Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
> >> who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
> >> are there still P2P games out there?
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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Jay Weekley]

I thought team kill was turned of on games like that.

Nate Burke wrote:

So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?

On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

He killed someone else on his own team.

A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT 
issues are what they are.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
are there still P2P games out there?

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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/28/19 6:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?



https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Mike Hammett]

https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/some-people-are-just-dicks-9dfdc.png
 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:55:14 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations 

So is that something he would have done on purpose? Why? 


On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



He killed someone else on his own team. 

A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT issues are 
what they are. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations 

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple 
hours, not minutes like we normally see. We got through to the 
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow 
Six Siege" What does that mean? And how do other players track down 
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or 
are there still P2P games out there? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Nate Burke]

So is that something he would have done on purpose?  Why?

On 1/28/2019 8:51 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

He killed someone else on his own team.

A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT 
issues are what they are.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple
hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow
Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or
are there still P2P games out there?

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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/28/19 6:48 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple 
hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the 
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow 
Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down 
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or 
are there still P2P games out there?



If friendly fire is on you can shoot and kill people your own team. If 
you're an a-hole you'll join a game and kill everyone on your side right 
when it starts. If they won't go away it's highly likely someone will 
DDoS that person offline so everyone else can enjoy the game and not 
deal with the a-hole.


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Re: [AFMUG] I did it

[Ben Royer]

There is no Chromebook. only Azulle..

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net


-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 6:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I did it

It is an Azulle Access3.

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: I did it

This is the mini computer I selected for my splicing trailer.  Boots to the
login screen in about 15 seconds, fully logged in and ready to go in about
45 seconds.  Took a while to config Win 10 but really was simple and easy.
Nothing out of the ordinary.  Not sure if I can power it off of the usb on
the monitor or not.  If so that will be a plus.


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Re: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Mike Hammett]

He killed someone else on his own team. 

A large amount of game play is *NOT* centralized, that's why NAT issues are 
what they are. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 8:48:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Gaming Explanations 

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple 
hours, not minutes like we normally see. We got through to the 
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow 
Six Siege" What does that mean? And how do other players track down 
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or 
are there still P2P games out there? 

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[AFMUG] Gaming Explanations

[Nate Burke]

Over the weekend we had to mitigate a DDOS that lasted for a couple 
hours, not minutes like we normally see.  We got through to the 
offending customer, and they said their son had "Team killed on Rainbow 
Six Siege"  What does that mean?  And how do other players track down 
who they want to attack, Isn't everything through central servers, or 
are there still P2P games out there?


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Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles

[Chris Fabien]

Chuck we don't really have unincorporated areas like some states do. The
base level of local government is a general law township. All of the state
is by default divided into townships. An area can then be "upgraded" to a
City, Village or Charter township. But there is no land that is not subject
to some local government. The state law (METRO Act) is a mandate for a
universal permitting system for ROW access (meaning occupancy, not
construction, that's different). Many of the rural townships have no idea
about this permitting requirement. We have had to educate them all about
why they are required to issue us a permit. It's actually a nice system
because it's a shall-issue permit in 45-days, and if they don't reply it's
granted by default. Construction permits are handled by the county road
comission, or by the city/village in an incorporated area, and they seem to
have more leeway about requirements. There are some counties that area very
hard to work with, others it's almost a free for all.



On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 1:02 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would use the footnote from the now defunct perhaps net neutrality that
> coined and defined a BIAS provider as a quasi public entity.
> Just state you are a BIAS provider as defined by the FCC.  Give them a
> copy of the 477 and say that the internet is defined as interstate
> commerce.  Then lay on them the new small cell order.  All 160+ pages
> printed out.
>
> Perhaps bury them in enough paperwork and they will cave.  Also, how cold
> MI requires a municipal permit in unincorporated areas?
>
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2019 5:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How to access ROW, permits, poles
>
> There's lots of variations on this locality dependent.
>
> For example in MI I need a state-mandated municipal permit to have telecom
> infrastructure in the ROW even for an aerial run on someone else's poles.
>
> Our county had to be satisfied we were a "real public utility" before they
> would issue underground permits. This was their own policy they made up as
> far as I could tell. Even though the municipal permit specifically allows
> "any entity".
>
> None of this was at all related to a 477 filing.
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 3:49 AM TJ Trout 
>> So reading through the list the consensus is anyone filing a 477 can
>> access the row, does this require a city or county permit with plans etc?
>> For laying duct, installing a pole or cabinet etc?
>>
>> What is the process to attach to poles? Just make a request with the pole
>> owner? City permits? How do you identify the pole owner?
>>
>> So if I'm a wisp today and want to be a fisp (haha) tomorrow I just need
>> to consider myself a ISP, pull permits with the city or county and start
>> digging? Are permits even required to work in the row in most cases?
>>
>> For poles I'm assuming you make drawings of the route, get an attachment
>> agreement with the owner and once make ready is done your good to dangle
>> your string?
>>
>> If it's any consolation I searched the archives for a few hours before
>> asking these stupid questions 🤔
>>
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