Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Also note that you will need NAT rules for both of these as well, many people 
forget that there is more than just the routing system in play here. 😊


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 12:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.  In 
the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an up and 
down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


Thanks for any help


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Not automatically.  You can tell how inbound traffic comes, just not 100% .  
Maybe, 80-95%, but it depends on how much IP space you have and how large the 
other providers are, ETC, there is not a “ ONE SIZE FITS ALL” approach to BGP, 
you have to know what you want to do, then have to know what tools you have 
available, and then and only then can you TRY to see if you can accomplish 99% 
or 80%.   NOTE, that there are TOOLS and simulation software out that, but 
those are usually price prohibitive..


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

So the thing to remember is that you can bond and balance all outgoing traffic 
however there’s not a whole lot you can do to dictate how traffic comes inbound 
to you.  BGP can help but there’s not much you can do to determine routes too 
you.

Unless of course you have full control over both links, which it sounds like 
you don’t since they are from 2 different providers.

-Sean

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Josh,

Yes.  I was describing the winbox setup.  Not sure if you can do 
1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2 in winbox or if you have to pull down to get another gateway 
box.
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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 4:04:56 PM, you wrote:

I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne 
St
Suite 
1337
Troy, OH 
45373

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Correct.  It is ECMP, no guarantee that xyz traffic will go on xyz circuit.  
There are other ways to do that as well.  If they have a datacenter connection 
you can also use that, but that is still not going to guarantee data rates.  No 
such thing as BONDING those two circuits without BGP, they could have BGP if 
the WISP supports it, and the fiber should .  Just a matter of having enough 
IPs to do something with, that he don’t have.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

ECMP.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

does that function as even distribution or round robin or what?

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:06 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:
Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP 
now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 
0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  
To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will 
allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in 
twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will 
only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at 
the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules 
in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is 
better information on a WIKI somewhere.



--
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Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
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Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so 
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address 
for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

[chuck]

Tell them to buy the book...
https://webstore.ansi.org/standards/atis/ansit14011993
Ring cadence or ring back tone cadence?  20 cycles per second is most cases for 
the ringing. 


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:38 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

Funny they think IETF would define that.

 

Traditional ringing is 2 seconds on, 4 seconds off.  Although it can be 
different in the case of the “distinctive ring” feature, like where each party 
on a party line would have their own ringing pattern.

 

In the 80’s I was a digital channel bank guy so my first reference would be 
Bell PUB43801, but I don’t think I have a copy around.  I did a quick look in 
my other bible, Transmission Systems for Communications, and I don’t see it in 
there.

 

If you look at old timey ring generators, the default is 2 on, 4 off.

http://www.charlesindustries.com/download/VF_Practices_in_PDF/LT850-200-201.pdf

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Cailloux
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

 

It's a Bellcore standard.  You'll probably have luck if you start searching for 
that, from the days when Bell was the telephone company.

 

Here's the European (ETSI) ringing standards, which I found when searching for 
the Bell standards: 
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/201000_201099/201071/01.01.02_50/es_201071v010102m.pdf

 

It should give you a reference for searching.

 

tim

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Christopher Gray  
wrote:

  I’m working with Cambium support, and they asked me to provide them with the 
RFC that defines the North American ring cadence. 

   

  I can’t seem to find an RFC that defines it (presumably since it was defined 
long before RFC existed). 

   

  Any suggestions for where to find North American ring cadence defined? I know 
what it is, but Cambium wants a reference. 

   

  Thank you, Chris

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Sean Heskett]

So the thing to remember is that you can bond and balance all outgoing
traffic however there’s not a whole lot you can do to dictate how traffic
comes inbound to you.  BGP can help but there’s not much you can do to
determine routes too you.

Unless of course you have full control over both links, which it sounds
like you don’t since they are from 2 different providers.

-Sean

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 2:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Yes.  I was describing the winbox setup.  Not sure if you can do
> 1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2 in winbox or if you have to pull down to get another
> gateway box.
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
> --
>
>
> Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 4:04:56 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0
> gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Timothy,
>
> Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using
> BGP now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.
>
> Here is something to try.
>
> On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.
> In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an
> up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a
> second gateway.
>
> The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber
> gateway in twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1
> ratio.  This will only work if you are using private IP addresses to the
> customers and NATing at the router.
>
> If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing
> rules in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.
>
> As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there
> is better information on a WIKI somewhere.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
> --
>
> Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so
> linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..
>
> He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
> the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP
> address for him to use for the WAN
>
> is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?
>
> the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work
>
>
> Thanks for any help --
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Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

[Ken Hohhof]

Funny they think IETF would define that.

 

Traditional ringing is 2 seconds on, 4 seconds off.  Although it can be 
different in the case of the “distinctive ring” feature, like where each party 
on a party line would have their own ringing pattern.

 

In the 80’s I was a digital channel bank guy so my first reference would be 
Bell PUB43801, but I don’t think I have a copy around.  I did a quick look in 
my other bible, Transmission Systems for Communications, and I don’t see it in 
there.

 

If you look at old timey ring generators, the default is 2 on, 4 off.

http://www.charlesindustries.com/download/VF_Practices_in_PDF/LT850-200-201.pdf

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tim Cailloux
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

 

It's a Bellcore standard.  You'll probably have luck if you start searching for 
that, from the days when Bell was the telephone company.

 

Here's the European (ETSI) ringing standards, which I found when searching for 
the Bell standards: 
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/201000_201099/201071/01.01.02_50/es_201071v010102m.pdf

 

It should give you a reference for searching.

 

tim

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Christopher Gray mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com> > wrote:

I’m working with Cambium support, and they asked me to provide them with the 
RFC that defines the North American ring cadence. 

 

I can’t seem to find an RFC that defines it (presumably since it was defined 
long before RFC existed). 

 

Any suggestions for where to find North American ring cadence defined? I know 
what it is, but Cambium wants a reference. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links


Josh,

Yes.  I was describing the winbox setup.  Not sure if you can do 1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2 in winbox or if you have to pull down to get another gateway box.
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I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0 gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  wrote:




Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP 
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Steve Jones]

does that function as even distribution or round robin or what?

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:06 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0
> gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Timothy,
>>
>> Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using
>> BGP now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.
>>
>> Here is something to try.
>>
>> On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway
>> 0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the
>> right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow
>> you to put in a second gateway.
>>
>> The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber
>> gateway in twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1
>> ratio.  This will only work if you are using private IP addresses to the
>> customers and NATing at the router.
>>
>> If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing
>> rules in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.
>>
>> As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there
>> is better information on a WIKI somewhere.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income
>> so linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like
>> me..
>>
>> He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
>> the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP
>> address for him to use for the WAN
>>
>> is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?
>>
>> the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Josh Luthman]

I think what you're saying is your dst-address=0.0.0.0/0
gateway=1.1.1.1,2.2.2.2

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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:51 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Timothy,
>
> Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using
> BGP now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.
>
> Here is something to try.
>
> On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.
> In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an
> up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a
> second gateway.
>
> The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber
> gateway in twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1
> ratio.  This will only work if you are using private IP addresses to the
> customers and NATing at the router.
>
> If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing
> rules in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.
>
> As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there
> is better information on a WIKI somewhere.
>
>
>
> --
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> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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> Tuesday, March 12, 2019, 12:37:32 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so
> linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..
>
> He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
> the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP
> address for him to use for the WAN
>
> is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?
>
> the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work
>
>
> Thanks for any help
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Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Christopher Gray]

Synology also has fairly easy appliances that would do the job (a little more 
expensive, but possibly some additional useful features).

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

 

QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even scatter 
them around your towers and have them sync to each other.  

 

-Sean

 

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB  cloud server 
for them.  I know there are some “home type solutions” available but thought 
there might be a great commercial version, maybe that would accommodate 
multiple logins, customers?

 

Suggestions?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

[Tim Cailloux]

It's a Bellcore standard.  You'll probably have luck if you start searching
for that, from the days when Bell was the telephone company.

Here's the European (ETSI) ringing standards, which I found when searching
for the Bell standards:
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_es/201000_201099/201071/01.01.02_50/es_201071v010102m.pdf

It should give you a reference for searching.

tim

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 3:46 PM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> I’m working with Cambium support, and they asked me to provide them with
> the RFC that defines the North American ring cadence.
>
>
>
> I can’t seem to find an RFC that defines it (presumably since it was
> defined long before RFC existed).
>
>
>
> Any suggestions for where to find North American ring cadence defined? I
> know what it is, but Cambium wants a reference.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[dave]

We use Owncloud and love it.. Tried Nextcloud but I did not like the 
flow in the Gui.



On 3/12/19 10:35 AM, Jesse Dupont wrote:
If you want to do your own hardware, OwnCloud is a scalable, 
multi-tenant, open source solution for cloud storage.


Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even 
scatter them around your towers and have them sync to each other.


-Sean


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall > wrote:


We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB
 cloud server for them.  I know there are some “home type
solutions” available but thought there might be a great
commercial version, maybe that would accommodate multiple logins,
customers?

Suggestions?

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[AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

[Christopher Gray]

I'm working with Cambium support, and they asked me to provide them with the
RFC that defines the North American ring cadence. 

 

I can't seem to find an RFC that defines it (presumably since it was defined
long before RFC existed). 

 

Any suggestions for where to find North American ring cadence defined? I
know what it is, but Cambium wants a reference. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links


Timothy,

Been a long time since I've done something like this, being we are using BGP now.  But, back in the old startup days we were in the same situation.

Here is something to try.

On the router with the 2 connections, setup your default gateway 0.0.0.0/0.  In the gateway field, put in the fiber gateway.  To the right you'll see an up and down arrow.  If you click on that it will allow you to put in a second gateway.

The tik will now use both gateways.  I believe if you put the fiber gateway in twice and the wireless gateway in once, you may get a 2 to 1 ratio.  This will only work if you are using private IP addresses to the customers and NATing at the router.

If you are using any public IP addresses you'll have to put some routing rules in to force it to go out the correct interface all the time.

As I said, been a  while, so I may have missed something.  I'm sure there is better information on a WIKI somewhere.



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asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP 
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP address for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


Thanks for any help





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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Adam Moffett]

You can make two private ranges on the LAN side of your router, and make 
separate masquerade rules for each.  Assign IP's from one range to some 
devices, and IP's from the other range to other devices to divide up 
load.  That's the simple way.


There are probably more advanced ways to do this than what I described 
above, but none of them are going to be able to truly "bond" connections 
from two providers.  The best you can get is some connections using one 
pipe and some connections using the other pipe.


If you could run BGP you could split things up by destination instead.  
That's still "load sharing" rather than "bonding".


-Adam


On 3/12/2019 12:37 PM, Timothy Steele wrote:
asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no 
income so linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not 
seem to like me..


He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP 
address for him to use for the WAN


is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


Thanks for any help



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[AFMUG] Mikrotik Bonding 2 links

[Timothy Steele]

asking this for a buddy in the Philippines that has basically no income so
linkteks not really an option and Mikrotik forum does not seem to like me..

He has 2 internet connections 1 from fiber and has a Public IP
the other is from a WISP providing a dedicated BH but has a private IP
address for him to use for the WAN

is there any way to Bond the 2 connections in Mikrotik?

the how-to guides I have been reading do not seem to work


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Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Jesse Dupont]

If you want to do your own hardware, OwnCloud is a scalable, multi-tenant, open 
source solution for cloud storage.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even scatter 
> them around your towers and have them sync to each other.  
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>> We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB  cloud server 
>> for them.  I know there are some “home type solutions” available but thought 
>> there might be a great commercial version, maybe that would accommodate 
>> multiple logins, customers?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Suggestions?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Paul
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Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Sean Heskett]

QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even
scatter them around your towers and have them sync to each other.

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB  cloud
> server for them.  I know there are some “home type solutions” available but
> thought there might be a great commercial version, maybe that would
> accommodate multiple logins, customers?
>
>
>
> Suggestions?
>
>
>
> Paul
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Re: [AFMUG] saved by fall protection

[Jay Weekley]

A number of factors came together to save that guys life.  Also, a 
number of factors came into play to put it in jeopardy.


Ben Royer wrote:
Usually there’s a metal loop back on the actual arm of the truck to 
clip too on those.

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Royell Communications, Inc.
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*From:* Steve Jones 
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:18 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] saved by fall protection
what was his lanyard hooked to, the bucket appeared to have come clear 
off
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


This was on the TV news a couple days ago:


https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Utility-worker-survives-heart-stopping-fall-after-13667651.php



Luckily he had fall protection and a helmet.  Some orange cones
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Re: [AFMUG] saved by fall protection

[Ben Royer]

Usually there’s a metal loop back on the actual arm of the truck to clip too on 
those.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 9:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] saved by fall protection

what was his lanyard hooked to, the bucket appeared to have come clear off 


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  This was on the TV news a couple days ago:



  
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Utility-worker-survives-heart-stopping-fall-after-13667651.php



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[AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Paul McCall]

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Re: [AFMUG] saved by fall protection

[Steve Jones]

what was his lanyard hooked to, the bucket appeared to have come clear off


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This was on the TV news a couple days ago:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Utility-worker-survives-heart-stopping-fall-after-13667651.php
>
>
>
> Luckily he had fall protection and a helmet.  Some orange cones would have
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[AFMUG] saved by fall protection

[Ken Hohhof]

This was on the TV news a couple days ago:

 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Utility-
worker-survives-heart-stopping-fall-after-13667651.php

 

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