Re: [AFMUG] Vera system

2019-05-20 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 5/20/19 7:12 PM, David Coudron wrote:
Anyway, they talk about the Vera platform being able to integrate to any 
home automation standard, including devices that run on Wifi rather than 
Z-wave or Zigbee.   It even integrates to X10 if I remember correctly.   
They run the AP to be able talk directly with the Wifi automation 
devices.  I am sure it wouldn’t really have to be done that way, but 
that is the way they set it up if memory serves.   I would suspect that 
the AP mode could be turned off, but I always had mine on, it never 
seemed to interfere with other Wifi in the house.





I've used a Vera hub. I'd say turn it of unless there's wifi based smart 
devices homed to it, then you may have to re set up those to use the 
other ssid. Dunno if the Vera will look outwards for wifi devices though.


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Re: [AFMUG] Vera system

2019-05-20 Thread David Coudron 
I had one of these running for a couple of years.However, the SmartThings 
of the world have kind of passed them by in my opinion.   They are an open 
source platform, but I don't think a lot is being developed on it anymore.

Anyway, they talk about the Vera platform being able to integrate to any home 
automation standard, including devices that run on Wifi rather than Z-wave or 
Zigbee.   It even integrates to X10 if I remember correctly.   They run the AP 
to be able talk directly with the Wifi automation devices.  I am sure it 
wouldn't really have to be done that way, but that is the way they set it up if 
memory serves.   I would suspect that the AP mode could be turned off, but I 
always had mine on, it never seemed to interfere with other Wifi in the house.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:01 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Vera system

Customer complains no devices can connect to his WiFi router unless they are 
right next to it.  He has a Vera system sitting next to the router, apparently 
a home security system and/or Zwave or Zigby hub.

Can anyone explain to me why these things need to be a WiFi AP?
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread Tim Withrow via AF 

Oh man they were trying to help the hospitality industry by filling the map 
with tropical weather coloration.
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR
 
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini 
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Darin Steffl 
Qos/Mir is missing in 4.3.x firmware for all radios so if you need that,
wait until they release a version with it included probably in 4 weeks or
so.


On Mon, May 20, 2019, 5:56 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its
> really odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything
> progresses I believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older
> firmware will be moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x
> are not recommended just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a
> need for mixed mode.
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes
>> because it said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1
>> / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>>
>>
>>
>> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is
>> the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
>> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>>
>>
>>
>> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
>> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>>
>>
>>
>> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>>
>>
>>
>> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you
>> consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>>
>>
>>
>> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>
>>
>>
>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>> won't see any benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>
>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>
>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Joe Novak 
It's really not clear at first glance, so I don't blame you at all. Its
really odd how they have the firmware layout at the moment, as everything
progresses I believe the entire firmware stack moves to 4.x, so the older
firmware will be moved off the EPMP page. Pure epmp1000 deployments to 4.x
are not recommended just yet, from what I understand. Only if you have a
need for mixed mode.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 3:16 PM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes
> because it said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
>
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
>
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
>
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
>
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
>
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>
>
>
> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
> radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
> latest version first though or they won't connect.
>
>
>
> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
> well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
> improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>
>
>
> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
> you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
> least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
> won't see any benefit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> *Business Manager*
>
> *PDS Connect*
>
> 317-831-3000
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Same.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not exactly clear on that but I'm really hoping that QOS firmware drops 
really soon. I'm ready to do some testing.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:29 PM SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Joe Novak 
Not exactly clear on that but I'm really hoping that QOS firmware drops
really soon. I'm ready to do some testing.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 4:29 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose
> QOS?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get
> the same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink
> gain, for example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and
> it'll let any AC SMs run at 256QAM.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> the AP swap is an antenna swap too
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
>
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
>
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
>
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
>
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
>
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>
>
>
> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>
>
>
> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp
> radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to
> latest version first though or they won't connect.
>
>
>
> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as
> well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is
> improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>
>
>
> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so
> you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at
> least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
> won't see any benefit.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>
> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>
> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Are you saying Force 200 to a 2000AP both on latest firmware will lose QOS? 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get the 
same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink gain, for 
example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and it'll let any 
AC SMs run at 256QAM.

 

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what you 
meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x firmware 
for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable version 
released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing epmp 
radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to latest 
version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput as well 
as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is improved 
by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers so you 
can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at least. No 
point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't see any 
benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000 AP in 
place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?  Do you get 
any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com> > wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

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317-831-3000

 

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[AFMUG] IPv6 "support"

2019-05-20 Thread Colin Stanners 
I've seen terrible design decisions but this is a new level of ridiculous.

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Andy Trimmell 
Thank you for the info. I completely skipped over the release notes because it 
said PTP 550. I guess I should have opened it and read it.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 / 
15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the 
firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to connect 
to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider that 
not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell  
wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s 
what you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x 
firmware for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable 
version released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing 
epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated to 
latest version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput 
as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also is 
improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers 
so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan at 
least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they won't 
see any benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an 
EPMP3000 AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer 
radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on 
this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Andy Trimmell 
Thanks Steve

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 2:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

the AP swap is an antenna swap too

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 
4.3.2.1 / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch. 

 

ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is 
the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to 
connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility) 

 

For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility 
(clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)

 

All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG 

 

For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you 
consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying. 

 

The descriptions don't make this very clear.

 

 

 

 

 

Joe

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if 
that’s what you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s 
a 4.x firmware for 1000/2000 models.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin 
Steffl
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

 

Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd 
stable version released 2 days ago and it will work.

 

Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all 
existing epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be 
updated to latest version first though or they won't connect. 

 

Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in 
throughput as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. 
Latency also is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.

 

To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage 
customers so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our 
plan at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they 
won't see any benefit. 

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  
wrote:

I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you 
drop an EPMP3000 AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any 
customer radios?  Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?  

On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:

It works now. Download the latest firmware.

 

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

So when is this coming? Anyone have any 
news on this? 

 

Andy Trimmell

Business Manager

PDS Connect

317-831-3000

 

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Shame on them for not enabling DFS, that said, I think DFS is necessary but not 
sufficient.  Especially since only one end does the sensing.  I think you need 
to check the frequencies used by your local TDWRs and stay the f*** off them, 
DFS or no DFS.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

 

Well - the FCC doesn’t actually know what they collect:

 

https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/05/14/accountability-enforcement-penalties-fines

 

I believe there was a followup to this at some point and I think something like 
only 25% ever gets collected. 

 

Mark





On May 20, 2019, at 12:00 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

 

Scared me for a second, I thought it might be Gino.

 

So I guess the FCC can tell the difference between Puerto Rico and Argentina.   

All them foreign countries look alike to me

 

So, is it best to just pay or fight?

 

From: Tim Hardy 

Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:52 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

 

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-433A1.pdf

Sent from my iPad

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Mathew Howard 
Not if you're swapping to an ePMP 3000L... granted you're not going to get
the same improvement (it's a 2x2 radio rather than 4x4, so no 3db uplink
gain, for example), but it should still be somewhat of an improvement, and
it'll let any AC SMs run at 256QAM.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> the AP swap is an antenna swap too
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1
>> / 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>>
>> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is
>> the firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
>> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>>
>> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
>> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>>
>> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>>
>> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you
>> consider that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>>
>> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>>> won't see any benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>
>>> *Business Manager*
>>>
>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>
>>> 317-831-3000
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility

2019-05-20 Thread Steve Jones 
the AP swap is an antenna swap too

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:16 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

> It's been promoted to the current branch as "ePMP System Release 4.3.2.1 /
> 15-May-19" - no longer in the beta branch.
>
> ePMP-GPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz, ePMP-NonGPS_Synced-v4.3.2.1.tar.gz is the
> firmware for the EPMP1000/2000 radios, that will allow EPMP AC units to
> connect to EPMP1000/2000 APs. (forward compatibility)
>
> For the EPMP3000 AP ePMP-AC-v4.3.2.1.img allows backwards compatibility
> (clients must be running the matching firmware above to connect to a 3K AP)
>
> All EPMP1k/2k use .tar.gz for the packaging, all EPMP3k will use .IMG
>
> For the time being, no QOS/MIR exists in this firmware, so if you consider
> that not production ready like me, I see what your saying.
>
> The descriptions don't make this very clear.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 11:54 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> Stable? You mean stable beta? I meant production firmware if that’s what
>> you meant. I don’t see anywhere in production firmware that there’s a 4.x
>> firmware for 1000/2000 models.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 10:18 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000 backwards compatibility
>>
>>
>>
>> Stable release of this was a few weeks ago. Download the 2nd stable
>> version released 2 days ago and it will work.
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct on being able to swap out a 1/2k AP for a 3k and all existing
>> epmp radios as well as elevate sm's will connect. They need to be updated
>> to latest version first though or they won't connect.
>>
>>
>>
>> Upgrading only the AP without any sm's yields a 10% boost in throughput
>> as well as some other rf gains of at least 3db on the uplink. Latency also
>> is improved by 50%. This is all without swapping a single sm.
>>
>>
>>
>> To realize mu-mimo benefits, I'd only swap your highest usage customers
>> so you can start realizing the 100% increase in capacity. That's our plan
>> at least. No point in swapping low GB usage subs to force 300 gear if they
>> won't see any benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019, 8:58 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> I haven't been following any of the 3000 Hype.  Can you drop an EPMP3000
>> AP in place of an EPMP1000AP and not have to change any customer radios?
>> Do you get any benefits without the Force300 SM?
>>
>> On 5/17/2019 8:49 AM, canopy--- via AF wrote:
>>
>> It works now. Download the latest firmware.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So when is this coming? Anyone have any news on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy Trimmell
>>
>> *Business Manager*
>>
>> *PDS Connect*
>>
>> 317-831-3000
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] ODD : Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

2019-05-20 Thread Colin Stanners 
I imagine that someone sent out an email using autocomplete and  it went to
the wrong address.

On Mon, May 20, 2019, 11:42 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> We're all invited! Way to be inclusive!
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2019, Craig House  wrote:
>
>> I think everybody on the list got one someone sent it to the list
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 20, 2019, at 11:31,   wrote:
>>
>> ???
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2019 10:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com ; sean.khat...@esd.ny.gov
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to
>> 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)
>>
>> *You have been invited to the following event.*
>> more details »
>> 
>> TRC Status Call
>>
>> *When*
>> Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday Eastern Time - New York
>> *Calendar*
>> af@af.afmug.com
>> *Who*
>> •
>> dmmoff...@gmail.com - organizer
>> •
>> sean.khat...@esd.ny.gov
>> •
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Re: [AFMUG] ODD : Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

2019-05-20 Thread Jason McKemie 
We're all invited! Way to be inclusive!

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Re: [AFMUG] ODD : Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

2019-05-20 Thread Craig House 
I think everybody on the list got one someone sent it to the list

Sent from my iPhone

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[AFMUG] ODD : Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

2019-05-20 Thread chuck 
???

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com ; sean.khat...@esd.ny.gov 
Subject: [AFMUG] Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on 
Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

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[AFMUG] Invitation: TRC Status Call @ Weekly from 9:30am to 10:30am on Tuesday (EDT) (af@af.afmug.com)

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Re: [AFMUG] Intel ATOM C2xxx LPC clock failures

2019-05-20 Thread Robert Andrews 
I've been running these from day one, and some are still (omg I just 
jinxed them! ) running just fine, but all are slated to be replaced ( 
about 10 more )...  I am going with 3K series atoms as there are so many 
options and varieties that I have been able to find a close enough 
price/value for replacing all similar performing 2K versions...


Robert

On 05/20/2019 07:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I’m pretty sure I just got hit with this bug on a C2750 powered server, 
which is now essentially a brick, since the CPU is a BGA soldered to the 
motherboard.  And reportedly it starts occurring after about 18 months, 
after a 1 year parts warranty has expired.


Does anyone know if these will all fail eventually, or just a percentage?

Also, is it safe to assume that recent production has a fix?

I know there’s a newer 12-core C3850, but at a significantly higher 
price, and the C2750 was already hard to justify compared to something 
like a Celeron.






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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

2019-05-20 Thread Robert Andrews 
There should be an IEEE standard for that..  Don't meet the standard.. 
Can't complain...


On 05/20/2019 06:55 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I'm pretty sure Frontier complaining about support is absolutely the 
most laughable thing in this situation.


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On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:19 PM > wrote:


Their radio tech said that the path with the passive repeater would
have issues when there is fog.  But I don’t think I have ever seen
fog in that area.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:57 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

Did they say which Aviat model they ordered?  Aviat says they have a
high power ODU that can do +39dBm.  But if Frontier wanted best
range with no regard to cost or power consumption, they should have
ordered the +35 dBm PTP820C-HP from Cambium, not the PTP820S.  If
you’re going to do a shootout, make it apples-to-apples.



In general Aviat has newer radios with features and specs that
exceed Cambium’s current offering, like 4096QAM and SFP+, probably
more, I haven’t done a detailed comparison. They look like nice
radios.  It’s just not clear what the Cambium radios were supposed
to do but didn’t.  Is this just buyers remorse / they ordered the
wrong thing, or is Cambium actually failing to meet one of their
specs?  Or maybe Cambium (or a distributor) ran the path through
Link Planner for them and made a product recommendation and Frontier
ran with it.



 From the location, I assume this is not a rain fade situation?  If
it was by me, I’d say yeah, everybody knows that climate change has
made the rain models obsolete, better knock off a least one “9”,
given that we’re having 100 year rains every couple weeks now.



I will say the IP20/PTP820 doesn’t have the friendliest menus in the
world.  If Frontier was having trouble getting support, it’s
entirely possible they have something configured wrong.  I was
reminded of this the other day when I had to log into a SAF 24 GHz
radio I had not touched in 8 years, and wow, they have a nice GUI.





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*On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:58 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



If Frontier gave them a fair shot at it, this ought to be a valuable
shoot out. 



*From:*Tim Hardy 

*Sent:*Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:44 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



The radios were the 820s which is the Ceragon IP20.

Sent from my iPad


On May 18, 2019, at 2:17 PM,  
wrote:

No idea, but I sure never had support issues with Cambium other
than perhaps a bit of an initial delay. 



*From:*Bill Prince 

*Sent:*Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:44 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



I have not read an y of the backup material, but are the
"Cambium" radios actually the re-badged Ceregon radios?



bp



  


On 5/18/2019 8:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I would like to see a comparison between the Cambium and
Aviat radios.  The major complaint during the hearing was
that Cambium was not providing support.  But when they said
the Aviat was magic and did what Cambium could not I really
had some heartburn.  And that was on the direct line, not
the passive link. 



They wrote a pretty big check with their mouth during the
hearing and they expect Aviat to cash it.  By this time next
week the magic Aviat will be installed on that passive path
and provide magic once again...



Not sure how I am going to be able to get any feedback on
this.  I suppose the lawyer that represents the customer can
check with Frontier and see how it is going.  He is a friend
of mine and will most likely tell me what Frontier is
saying.  Of course they will say it is going well.  I used
to know the techs at Moab, but I am sure they are going to
say it is fixed even if it fails miserably. 



The end user’s lack of dial tone will be telling. 



*From:*Ken Hohhof 

*Sent:*Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:05 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread Mark Radabaugh 
Well - the FCC doesn’t actually know what they collect:

https://www.fcc.gov/news-events/blog/2015/05/14/accountability-enforcement-penalties-fines
 


I believe there was a followup to this at some point and I think something like 
only 25% ever gets collected. 

Mark

> On May 20, 2019, at 12:00 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Scared me for a second, I thought it might be Gino.
>  
> So I guess the FCC can tell the difference between Puerto Rico and Argentina. 
>  
> All them foreign countries look alike to me
>  
> So, is it best to just pay or fight?
>  
> From: Tim Hardy <>
> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR
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[AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2019-05-20 Thread chuck 
John Wick – 3

meh

Not as good as the other the other two.  Kinda a segue to John Wick – 4

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread chuck 
Scared me for a second, I thought it might be Gino.

So I guess the FCC can tell the difference between Puerto Rico and Argentina.   
All them foreign countries look alike to me

So, is it best to just pay or fight?

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-433A1.pdf


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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Forfeiture for TDWR interference in PR

2019-05-20 Thread Tim Hardy 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-19-433A1.pdf

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Re: [AFMUG] autocorrect

2019-05-20 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Check to see if it came from Lewis. He gets the best
  autocorrects.


bp



On 5/20/2019 5:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Received this inquiry via the contact form
  on our mobile website:
 
“I’d like to find out if this actress would
  be in your coverage area”
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

2019-05-20 Thread chuck 
But they had to go to a mountain top site in the winter and eventually changed 
radios.  I doubt they would have changed radios if they could have made the 
Cambiums work.  Sure like to hear the back story on that.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 7:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

I'm pretty sure Frontier complaining about support is absolutely the most 
laughable thing in this situation.


Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:19 PM  wrote:

  Their radio tech said that the path with the passive repeater would have 
issues when there is fog.  But I don’t think I have ever seen fog in that area. 

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:57 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

  Did they say which Aviat model they ordered?  Aviat says they have a high 
power ODU that can do +39dBm.  But if Frontier wanted best range with no regard 
to cost or power consumption, they should have ordered the +35 dBm PTP820C-HP 
from Cambium, not the PTP820S.  If you’re going to do a shootout, make it 
apples-to-apples.



  In general Aviat has newer radios with features and specs that exceed 
Cambium’s current offering, like 4096QAM and SFP+, probably more, I haven’t 
done a detailed comparison.  They look like nice radios.  It’s just not clear 
what the Cambium radios were supposed to do but didn’t.  Is this just buyers 
remorse / they ordered the wrong thing, or is Cambium actually failing to meet 
one of their specs?  Or maybe Cambium (or a distributor) ran the path through 
Link Planner for them and made a product recommendation and Frontier ran with 
it.



  From the location, I assume this is not a rain fade situation?  If it was by 
me, I’d say yeah, everybody knows that climate change has made the rain models 
obsolete, better knock off a least one “9”, given that we’re having 100 year 
rains every couple weeks now.



  I will say the IP20/PTP820 doesn’t have the friendliest menus in the world.  
If Frontier was having trouble getting support, it’s entirely possible they 
have something configured wrong.  I was reminded of this the other day when I 
had to log into a SAF 24 GHz radio I had not touched in 8 years, and wow, they 
have a nice GUI.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:58 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



  If Frontier gave them a fair shot at it, this ought to be a valuable shoot 
out.  



  From: Tim Hardy 

  Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:44 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



  The radios were the 820s which is the Ceragon IP20.

  Sent from my iPad


  On May 18, 2019, at 2:17 PM,   wrote:

No idea, but I sure never had support issues with Cambium other than 
perhaps a bit of an initial delay.  



From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:44 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



I have not read an y of the backup material, but are the "Cambium" radios 
actually the re-badged Ceregon radios?



bp On 5/18/2019 8:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I would like to see a comparison between the Cambium and Aviat radios.  
The major complaint during the hearing was that Cambium was not providing 
support.  But when they said the Aviat was magic and did what Cambium could not 
I really had some heartburn.  And that was on the direct line, not the passive 
link.  



  They wrote a pretty big check with their mouth during the hearing and 
they expect Aviat to cash it.  By this time next week the magic Aviat will be 
installed on that passive path and provide magic once again...



  Not sure how I am going to be able to get any feedback on this.  I 
suppose the lawyer that represents the customer can check with Frontier and see 
how it is going.  He is a friend of mine and will most likely tell me what 
Frontier is saying.  Of course they will say it is going well.  I used to know 
the techs at Moab, but I am sure they are going to say it is fixed even if it 
fails miserably.  



  The end user’s lack of dial tone will be telling.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:05 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium



  Seems like the radio is being used as a scapegoat.  If it’s an RF path 
issue, there’s only so much magic the electronics can do.  Like a golfer 
blaming his clubs for his bad score.  I don’t suppose they explained what 
features or specs of the Aviat radios are going to fix the problem, or do they 
even know what the problem is?



  If they just need a few dB more fade margin, then yes, higher xmt power 
or better rcv sensitivity or something like that could help.  A little.  Stuff 
like 2048QAM or 4096QAM are going to incre

[AFMUG] Intel ATOM C2xxx LPC clock failures

2019-05-20 Thread Ken Hohhof 
I'm pretty sure I just got hit with this bug on a C2750 powered server,
which is now essentially a brick, since the CPU is a BGA soldered to the
motherboard.  And reportedly it starts occurring after about 18 months,
after a 1 year parts warranty has expired.

 

Does anyone know if these will all fail eventually, or just a percentage?

 

Also, is it safe to assume that recent production has a fix?

 

I know there's a newer 12-core C3850, but at a significantly higher price,
and the C2750 was already hard to justify compared to something like a
Celeron.

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium

2019-05-20 Thread Josh Luthman 
I'm pretty sure Frontier complaining about support is absolutely the most
laughable thing in this situation.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 4:19 PM  wrote:

> Their radio tech said that the path with the passive repeater would have
> issues when there is fog.  But I don’t think I have ever seen fog in that
> area.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
>
>
> Did they say which Aviat model they ordered?  Aviat says they have a high
> power ODU that can do +39dBm.  But if Frontier wanted best range with no
> regard to cost or power consumption, they should have ordered the +35 dBm
> PTP820C-HP from Cambium, not the PTP820S.  If you’re going to do a
> shootout, make it apples-to-apples.
>
>
>
> In general Aviat has newer radios with features and specs that exceed
> Cambium’s current offering, like 4096QAM and SFP+, probably more, I haven’t
> done a detailed comparison.  They look like nice radios.  It’s just not
> clear what the Cambium radios were supposed to do but didn’t.  Is this just
> buyers remorse / they ordered the wrong thing, or is Cambium actually
> failing to meet one of their specs?  Or maybe Cambium (or a distributor)
> ran the path through Link Planner for them and made a product
> recommendation and Frontier ran with it.
>
>
>
> From the location, I assume this is not a rain fade situation?  If it was
> by me, I’d say yeah, everybody knows that climate change has made the rain
> models obsolete, better knock off a least one “9”, given that we’re having
> 100 year rains every couple weeks now.
>
>
>
> I will say the IP20/PTP820 doesn’t have the friendliest menus in the
> world.  If Frontier was having trouble getting support, it’s entirely
> possible they have something configured wrong.  I was reminded of this the
> other day when I had to log into a SAF 24 GHz radio I had not touched in 8
> years, and wow, they have a nice GUI.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 1:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
>
>
>
> If Frontier gave them a fair shot at it, this ought to be a valuable shoot
> out.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tim Hardy
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:44 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
>
>
>
> The radios were the 820s which is the Ceragon IP20.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On May 18, 2019, at 2:17 PM,   wrote:
>
> No idea, but I sure never had support issues with Cambium other than
> perhaps a bit of an initial delay.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 11:44 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
>
>
>
> I have not read an y of the backup material, but are the "Cambium" radios
> actually the re-badged Ceregon radios?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 5/18/2019 8:16 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I would like to see a comparison between the Cambium and Aviat radios.
> The major complaint during the hearing was that Cambium was not providing
> support.  But when they said the Aviat was magic and did what Cambium could
> not I really had some heartburn.  And that was on the direct line, not the
> passive link.
>
>
>
> They wrote a pretty big check with their mouth during the hearing and they
> expect Aviat to cash it.  By this time next week the magic Aviat will be
> installed on that passive path and provide magic once again...
>
>
>
> Not sure how I am going to be able to get any feedback on this.  I suppose
> the lawyer that represents the customer can check with Frontier and see how
> it is going.  He is a friend of mine and will most likely tell me what
> Frontier is saying.  Of course they will say it is going well.  I used to
> know the techs at Moab, but I am sure they are going to say it is fixed
> even if it fails miserably.
>
>
>
> The end user’s lack of dial tone will be telling.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 18, 2019 7:05 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium
>
>
>
> Seems like the radio is being used as a scapegoat.  If it’s an RF path
> issue, there’s only so much magic the electronics can do.  Like a golfer
> blaming his clubs for his bad score.  I don’t suppose they explained what
> features or specs of the Aviat radios are going to fix the problem, or do
> they even know what the problem is?
>
>
>
> If they just need a few dB more fade margin, then yes, higher xmt power or
> better rcv sensitivity or something like that could help.  A little.  Stuff
> like 2048QAM or 4096QAM are going to increase the throughput under ideal
> conditions and do nothing for performance under adverse conditions.  And
> the thing about fading is we’re talking huge dB numbers, which is hard to
> overcome with antenna gain or system margin where just a couple d

Re: [AFMUG] autocorrect

2019-05-20 Thread Colin Stanners 
I still have a printed-out copy of a text message from a tech that said
something like "it's super difficult to align these buttholes in the wind"
"WAIT that was autocorrect".

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 7:24 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Received this inquiry via the contact form on our mobile website:
>
>
>
> “I’d like to find out if this actress would be in your coverage area”
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Re: [AFMUG] autocorrect

2019-05-20 Thread dave 

WOW! really

On 5/20/19 7:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Received this inquiry via the contact form on our mobile website:

“I’d like to find out if this actress would be in your coverage area”




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[AFMUG] autocorrect

2019-05-20 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Received this inquiry via the contact form on our mobile website:

 

"I'd like to find out if this actress would be in your coverage area"

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