Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Just a random observation:

The Degree requirement may eliminate some of your best candidates.
Some of the best IT/system admin people I've ever interacted with
don't have a degree.   Most of the tech job listings anymore don't
even include this line, or if they feel the need to include it, they
add something like " Relevant work experience may substitute for
required education."

The only place one sees this anymore is for jobs in traditionally
degree-heavy industries like aerospace, and even then they usually
include an 'x years of work experience can be substituted for the
degree requirement'.


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> If you know anyone who is interested:
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Lewis Bergman]

If you look at Iridium and adjust for inflation the cost should be easily
attainable since it was a public company.
Fundamentally the same network right?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 7:44 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x
> reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch costs.  Assume another
> 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops.  You've got a world wide network for
> 3/4b per year.
>
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ek. That’s rather expensive.
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have
> to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just
> let one fail and send a new one up?
> >>>
>  On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> 
>  If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
> 
> > On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Nate Burke]

Anyone remember the movie 'Antitrust'?  I'm having visions of when they 
turned on all the satellites.   I'm guessing this will be similar.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zkD7uOyco

On 6/3/2019 7:55 PM, Zach Underwood wrote:
And with them replaced birds that often it allows them place newer 
generation birds faster than the geostate stationary companies.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 8:44 PM Carl Peterson > wrote:



Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume
5x reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch costs. 
Assume another 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops.  You've got a

world wide network for 3/4b per year.

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:
>
> Ek. That’s rather expensive.
>
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they
will have to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do
you just let one fail and send a new one up?
>>>
 On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

 If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...

> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Zach Underwood]

And with them replaced birds that often it allows them place newer
generation birds faster than the geostate stationary companies.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 8:44 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

>
> Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x
> reuse & refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch costs.  Assume another
> 1/4b for the birds and 1/4b for ops.  You've got a world wide network for
> 3/4b per year.
>
> > On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> >
> > Ek. That’s rather expensive.
> >
> >> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have
> to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just
> let one fail and send a new one up?
> >>>
>  On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> 
>  If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
> 
> > On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Carl Peterson]

Only 10 launches a year on F9.  Say 15m for S2, 10m for S1 (assume 5x reuse & 
refurb cost).  So 1/4b per year in launch costs.  Assume another 1/4b for the 
birds and 1/4b for ops.  You've got a world wide network for 3/4b per year.  

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Ek. That’s rather expensive. 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have to 
>> launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just let 
>>> one fail and send a new one up?
>>> 
 On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
 
 If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
 
> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Matt Hoppes]

Ek. That’s rather expensive. 

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have to 
> launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just let one 
>> fail and send a new one up?
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
>>> 
 On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
 Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Bill Prince]

Once they get all the bird flying, one estimate is that they will have 
to launch ~~ 600 per year just to replace the dead ones.



bp


On 6/3/2019 3:19 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just let one 
fail and send a new one up?


On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:

If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...


On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Matt Hoppes]

How do you maintain a fleet of that many satellites?  Or do you just let one 
fail and send a new one up?

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 3:28 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
> 
> If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...
> 
>> On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Robert Andrews]

If I don't have to sign a NDA,  I'll share what I find out...

On 06/03/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Bill Prince]

When I worked in Massachusetts a few decades ago, I always knew 
Wednesday was Prince Spaghetti Day.


Full disclosure:  I do not own any stock in that company.


bp


On 6/3/2019 11:47 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 6/3/19 11:33, Bill Prince wrote:
It will be (at least) a year before it is even semi-operational. My 
planning these days doesn't go past "What's for dinner?".



I have no idea what's for dinner except on pizza night.



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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Seth Mattinen]

On 6/3/19 11:33, Bill Prince wrote:
It will be (at least) a year before it is even semi-operational. My 
planning these days doesn't go past "What's for dinner?".



I have no idea what's for dinner except on pizza night.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Gloat

[SmarterBroadband]

And no repairs needed….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Gloat

 

I got cat butts on ebay

 

On Fri, May 31, 2019, 3:00 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

I have pretty good luck with buying this type of stuff...

I have a HP solar array simulator I bought off of ebay that was
blowing fuses...  a 10 cent ceramic capacitor in the power supply
section was shorted.

I also have a voltage standard I bought as working.  Got it here,
wasn't working.   Tried to send it back, they didn't want it, refunded
all of my money.   Figured out it just needed new electrolytic caps -
replaced them all for like $20.  Now I have a really nice voltage
standard for $20.


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> Gotta love ebay.
>
> Got an Exeltech 10 kW 48 VDC to 120 VAC modular inverter for $1865.  Listed 
> “for parts not working”.
>
> Hooked it up to a 48 volt battery.  Pulled out all the modules (1K each) but 
> one, had a light hooked to the output.
> Went through hot swapping all the modules.  9 of the 10 modules are good.
>
> One of them is bad.  Blown fets on it.
>
> This thing was probably $20K or more new.  Now I need another rack so I can 
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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[SmarterBroadband]

Has anyone enquired about being an installer for this system?

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 11:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[SmarterBroadband]

My favorite series……

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 4:03 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

 

I can only hear Ford Prefect saying that now.



On 6/2/2019 5:57 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

It’s amazing how many companies that people assume are profitable are anything 
but.  At least for now.  I guess we said this about Amazon once.

 

But Uber lost $1 billion on $3 billion in revenue in the most recent quarter.  
They already have the app.  They don’t own the cars.  The drivers are not 
employees.  How are they losing so much money, unless they are literally losing 
money on every sale and intending to make it up on volume?

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:15 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

 

There are whole bunches of risk factors. 

Assuming the satellite-mesh system works (and that is still an if; note that 
this first batch does not include the sat-sat laser link capability), I have 
not seen a real estimate of the system capacity. I would presume there would be 
separate earth stations for each orbital plane. There could even conceivably be 
multiple earth stations for each orbital plane, which would make the system 
capacity flexible.

IDK if they're making money or not, but they are serving body blows to the 
competition.

There was open speculation that the Falcon heavy was going into a limited 
demand situation, but now that it seems to be working (so far), that market 
opportunity may be shifting as well.

 

bp

 

On 6/2/2019 12:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

You’d think that SpaceX is highly profitable and is using those profits to 
expand into the satellite Internet business.  But actually there is debate 
whether SpaceX is profitable without accounting tricks, and even if it is 
profitable, the margins are very thin.  Reportedly the geostationary launch 
business is softening, and SpaceX is actually looking to Starlink for profits.  
No doubt it helps if you can launch your own satellites, maybe even having them 
ride along while you get paid to launch stuff for paying customers.  But this 
sounds like a pretty risky venture, paid for with borrowed money.  If it wasn’t 
risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

 

I would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth stations as opposed to 
one or two earth stations that legacy platforms have. Up to the bird, maybe 
across one or two birds, and back down to the fiber-fed earth stations. I've 
seen the numbers, but I forgot the numbers. It's real bandwidth at each one.



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From: "Tim Withrow via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Cc: "Tim Withrow" mailto:timwith...@aol.com> >
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:43:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have  at any given point? 
What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a radio that big to 
carry/transmit such  capacity or is it an 
aggregate of small radio's?

 


  _  


On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince mailto:af@af.afmug.com> 
> wrote:

Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural 
America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on China's 
"great firewall"?

 

bp

 

On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in mind is 
that instead of robust competition, what could occur is “disruptive” pricing, 
having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting the competition.  And now some 
new entrant is the only game in town.  And if it turns out to be unreliable, or 
not to  have enough capacity,  or their speeds are actually best effort, o

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Bill Prince]

It will be (at least) a year before it is even semi-operational. My 
planning these days doesn't go past "What's for dinner?".



bp


On 6/3/2019 11:23 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

Anyone planning to get one and give it a try?



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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[chuck]

You first...

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
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Home (and Fading Out) | Space


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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Seth Mattinen]

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[chuck]

I wonder how snow on the cpe antenna will affect things.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 12:16 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning 
Home (and Fading Out) | Space

That would be per satellite. So it doesn't really tell us what the system 
capacity is. Don't forget there will be ~ 600 satellites per ring, and (I 
think) 24 rings.



bp


On 6/3/2019 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  People always ask about system capacity, but it's simpler than that.  Their 
FCC filings show 2ghz of spectrum for the downlink from satellite to user 
terminal.  They have two polarities, not unlike us.  We could generously assume 
they'll get 10 bits/hz.  That's 20gbps in a given geographic area.  It doesn't 
matter how many satellites there are, or what the capacity of a given satellite 
is.  I don't know how big that geographic area will be exactly.

  -Adam



  On 6/2/2019 6:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

There are whole bunches of risk factors. 


Assuming the satellite-mesh system works (and that is still an if; note 
that this first batch does not include the sat-sat laser link capability), I 
have not seen a real estimate of the system capacity. I would presume there 
would be separate earth stations for each orbital plane. There could even 
conceivably be multiple earth stations for each orbital plane, which would make 
the system capacity flexible.

IDK if they're making money or not, but they are serving body blows to the 
competition.

There was open speculation that the Falcon heavy was going into a limited 
demand situation, but now that it seems to be working (so far), that market 
opportunity may be shifting as well.



bp


On 6/2/2019 12:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  You’d think that SpaceX is highly profitable and is using those profits 
to expand into the satellite Internet business.  But actually there is debate 
whether SpaceX is profitable without accounting tricks, and even if it is 
profitable, the margins are very thin.  Reportedly the geostationary launch 
business is softening, and SpaceX is actually looking to Starlink for profits.  
No doubt it helps if you can launch your own satellites, maybe even having them 
ride along while you get paid to launch stuff for paying customers.  But this 
sounds like a pretty risky venture, paid for with borrowed money.  If it wasn’t 
risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All 
Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

   

  I would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth stations as 
opposed to one or two earth stations that legacy platforms have. Up to the 
bird, maybe across one or two birds, and back down to the fiber-fed earth 
stations. I've seen the numbers, but I forgot the numbers. It's real bandwidth 
at each one.



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Tim Withrow via AF" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Cc: "Tim Withrow" 
  Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:43:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All 
Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

  What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have  at any given 
point? 
  What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a radio that big 
to carry/transmit such  capacity or is it an 
  aggregate of small radio's?

   


--

  On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince  wrote:

  Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in rural 
America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect on China's 
"great firewall"?

   

bp On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in mind 
is that instead of robust competition, what could occur is “disruptive” 
pricing, having the effect of discouraging or bankrupting the competition.  And 
now some new entrant is the only game in town.  And if it turns out to be 
unreliable, or not to  have enough capacity,  or their speeds are actually best 
effort, or their satellites start dropping out of the sky, or whatever, people 
can’t switch back to their old provider.  Like being dissatisfied with online 
stores and assuming you can always switch back to the old brick and mortar 
store, from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos.  Sorry, they don’t exist 
anymore.

   

  This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will go 
bankrupt because of Starlink.  But to just as

Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That would be per satellite. So it doesn't really tell us what
  the system capacity is. Don't forget there will be ~ 600
  satellites per ring, and (I think) 24 rings.


bp



On 6/3/2019 10:18 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  People always ask about system capacity, but it's simpler than
  that.  Their FCC filings show 2ghz of spectrum for the downlink
  from satellite to user terminal.  They have two polarities, not
  unlike us.  We could generously assume they'll get 10 bits/hz. 
  That's 20gbps in a given geographic area.  It doesn't matter how
  many satellites there are, or what the capacity of a given
  satellite is.  I don't know how big that geographic area will be
  exactly.
  
  -Adam
  
  
  On 6/2/2019 6:15 PM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

There are whole bunches of risk factors. 

Assuming the satellite-mesh system works (and that is still
  an if; note that this first batch does not include the sat-sat
  laser link capability), I have not seen a real estimate of the
  system capacity. I would presume there would be separate earth
  stations for each orbital plane. There could even conceivably
  be multiple earth stations for each orbital plane, which would
  make the system capacity flexible.
IDK if they're making money or not, but they are serving body
  blows to the competition.
There was open speculation that the Falcon heavy was going
  into a limited demand situation, but now that it seems to be
  working (so far), that market opportunity may be shifting as
  well.


bp



On 6/2/2019 12:52 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
You’d think that SpaceX is highly
  profitable and is using those profits to expand into the
  satellite Internet business.  But actually there is debate
  whether SpaceX is profitable without accounting tricks,
  and even if it is profitable, the margins are very thin. 
  Reportedly the geostationary launch business is softening,
  and SpaceX is actually looking to Starlink for profits. 
  No doubt it helps if you can launch your own satellites,
  maybe even having them ride along while you get paid to
  launch stuff for paying customers.  But this sounds like a
  pretty risky venture, paid for with borrowed money.  If it
  wasn’t risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?
 
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60
  Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading
  Out) | Space
  

 

  I
  would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth
  stations as opposed to one or two earth stations that
  legacy platforms have. Up to the bird, maybe across
  one or two birds, and back down to the fiber-fed earth
  stations. I've seen the numbers, but I forgot the
  numbers. It's real bandwidth at each one.
  


-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing
Solutions
  
  Midwest Internet Exchange
  
  The Brothers WISP
  


  
  
  
  
  
From:
"Tim
Withrow via AF" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: "Tim Withrow" 
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:43:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60
Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading
Out) | Space
What
kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite
have  at any given point? 
What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who
makes a radio that big to carry/transmit such 
capacity or is it an 
aggregate of small radio's?
 


On
Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Princ

Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

[Brian Webster]

Have you considered talking to the local VOTEC/BOCES IT programs and sponsor an 
internship? Good way to test drive a kid and see what they are made of and what 
they know. IF they are a good fit you offer them a job when they graduate, if 
they don’t work out it’s no skin off your back other than some training time 
alongside an existing employee.

 

Our local VOTEC/BOCES program gives kids the chance to get all kinds of network 
certifications, so much so that an ambitious kid can come out of high school 
and be just as far as a person going to a 2 year school after high school. One 
kid I knew was told that by the college he was thinking about attending. The 
school told him he would be bored because he already had the certs they would 
be teaching towards. If you can find a kid who already has or will be testing 
for these certs, they have already demonstrated some of their ambition and work 
ethic.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 9:22 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Network Engineer job in NY State

 

Maybe I need to sponsor an H1B work visa.

On 5/31/2019 8:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

The qualified candidates are not looking for a job,

Sent from my iPhone


On May 31, 2019, at 5:42 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Helps if I send a link to the ad rather than the preview:
https://ithaca.craigslist.org/sad/d/ithaca-network-engineer/6900549155.html



On 5/30/2019 2:09 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

they really need to allow drinking on the job in these types of positions, it 
would really help get candidates in the door

 

On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

If you know anyone who is interested:

https://post.craigslist.org/k/_lVq98KC6RGKR8SL39YNog/xqb4d?s=preview




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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space

[Adam Moffett]

People always ask about system capacity, but it's simpler than that.  
Their FCC filings show 2ghz of spectrum for the downlink from satellite 
to user terminal.  They have two polarities, not unlike us.  We could 
generously assume they'll get 10 bits/hz.  That's 20gbps in a given 
geographic area.  It doesn't matter how many satellites there are, or 
what the capacity of a given satellite is. I don't know how big that 
geographic area will be exactly.


-Adam


On 6/2/2019 6:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


There are whole bunches of risk factors.

Assuming the satellite-mesh system works (and that is still an if; 
note that this first batch does not include the sat-sat laser link 
capability), I have not seen a real estimate of the system capacity. I 
would presume there would be separate earth stations for each orbital 
plane. There could even conceivably be multiple earth stations for 
each orbital plane, which would make the system capacity flexible.


IDK if they're making money or not, but they are serving body blows to 
the competition.


There was open speculation that the Falcon heavy was going into a 
limited demand situation, but now that it seems to be working (so 
far), that market opportunity may be shifting as well.



bp


On 6/2/2019 12:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


You’d think that SpaceX is highly profitable and is using those 
profits to expand into the satellite Internet business.  But actually 
there is debate whether SpaceX is profitable without accounting 
tricks, and even if it is profitable, the margins are very thin. 
Reportedly the geostationary launch business is softening, and SpaceX 
is actually looking to Starlink for profits.  No doubt it helps if 
you can launch your own satellites, maybe even having them ride along 
while you get paid to launch stuff for paying customers.  But this 
sounds like a pretty risky venture, paid for with borrowed money.  If 
it wasn’t risky, it wouldn’t be Elon, right?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Sunday, June 2, 2019 12:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All 
Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space


I would suspect they are going to have hundreds of earth stations as 
opposed to one or two earth stations that legacy platforms have. Up 
to the bird, maybe across one or two birds, and back down to the 
fiber-fed earth stations. I've seen the numbers, but I forgot the 
numbers. It's real bandwidth at each one.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Tim Withrow via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*To: *af@af.afmug.com 
*Cc: *"Tim Withrow" mailto:timwith...@aol.com>>
*Sent: *Saturday, June 1, 2019 4:43:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX Says Its 60 Starlink Satellites Are All 
Phoning Home (and Fading Out) | Space


What kind of bandwidth  capacity could each satellite have at any 
given point?
What is the usable bandwidth of their system?  Who makes a radio that 
big to carry/transmit such capacity or is it an

aggregate of small radio's?



On Saturday, June 1, 2019 Bill Prince > wrote:


Naturally, we're all thinking about what effect this will have in 
rural America, but I am also wondering if this would have some effect 
on China's "great firewall"?


bp


On 6/1/2019 1:47 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I think one factor advocacy groups and govt critters need to keep in 
mind is that instead of robust competition, what could occur is 
“disruptive” pricing, having the effect of discouraging or 
bankrupting the competition. And now some new entrant is the only 
game in town.  And if it turns out to be unreliable, or not to  have 
enough capacity,  or their speeds are actually best effort, or their 
satellites start dropping out of the sky, or whatever, people can’t 
switch back to their old provider.  Like being dissatisfied with 
online stores and assuming you can always switch back to the old 
brick and mortar store, from Uber and Lyft back to taxis and limos. 
Sorry, they don’t exist anymore.


This is unlikely to happen in big cities, I doubt Comcast will go 
bankrupt because of Starlink. But to just assume there will be lots 
of choices out in the middle of nowhere driving the price down 
without any of t