Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Nate Burke]

I went when it was just here in west Chicago.  I was not prepared for the size 
of it when you stand next to it.  Unfortunately I didn't get to see it running. 

It was also leaking like a sieve sitting on the siding, and you could feel the 
heat coming off the boiler at 30'.

On October 1, 2019 10:28:49 PM CDT, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>Yes, but they did not seem too impressed.  Not nearly as much as me.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you take any grandkids?  What was their reaction?  Impressed, or
>thought
>> it was some lame dinosaur from the past?
>> 
>> When my kids were little, we would take them to the Illinois Railway
>Museum
>> in Union, IL.  I thought when he was old enough my son would
>volunteer
>> there, but then he discovered computer games and Reddit.
>> 
>> https://www.irm.org/
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:50 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014
>> 
>> Yes. Twice actually.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?
>>> 
>>> Robert
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Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, but they did not seem too impressed.  Not nearly as much as me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 9:15 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Did you take any grandkids?  What was their reaction?  Impressed, or thought
> it was some lame dinosaur from the past?
> 
> When my kids were little, we would take them to the Illinois Railway Museum
> in Union, IL.  I thought when he was old enough my son would volunteer
> there, but then he discovered computer games and Reddit.
> 
> https://www.irm.org/
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:50 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014
> 
> Yes. Twice actually.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?
>> 
>> Robert
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Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Ken Hohhof]

Did you take any grandkids?  What was their reaction?  Impressed, or thought
it was some lame dinosaur from the past?

When my kids were little, we would take them to the Illinois Railway Museum
in Union, IL.  I thought when he was old enough my son would volunteer
there, but then he discovered computer games and Reddit.

https://www.irm.org/


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 9:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

Yes. Twice actually.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Chuck McCown]

Not sure.  Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Pictures?
> 
>> On 10/1/19 7:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Yes. Twice actually.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

[Chuck McCown]

Wrap the mag switch with a bunch of turns of wire.  External current and the 
switch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Something I can’t seem to find in any of this smart home stuff is a monitor 
> for a contact closure.  It would need a cellphone app that can check the 
> status, and receive a push notification if the contact changes state.
>  
> I have a cattle farmer who wants to monitor his well pump that supplies water 
> to the cattle barns.  There is already a switch for what he wants to monitor, 
> he just wants to monitor it remotely and be alerted if a problem occurs.
>  
> There are sensors for doors and windows but they sense the proximity of a 
> magnet, not an external contact closure.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:31 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control
>  
> If it were me I'd do Shelly.
>  
> You buy a Shelly 1.  Single count is like $15.  There are no additional costs 
> from Shelly.cloud.
>  
> The terminals are input/output (this is what power goes through the relay and 
> gets shut off/on).  Do your 110vac or 12vdc (WATCH THE TERMINAL! It's covered 
> on newer ones with a plastic door) for this.  Wire 110vac to your 
> load/neutral and that powers the device up.
>  
> Once powered, you can use a computer/phone to connect to the factory SSID 
> Shelly-MACMACMAC.  The device is 192.168.33.1 (you get DHCP).  Configure it 
> to connect to your WiFi (the client config).
>  
> Once it gets online you'll want to update the firmware and then what you want 
> to do from there can be through the cloud, Shelly.cloud app for your phone or 
> Google/Alexa voice, OR you can just control it via the relay's web interface 
> or local URL/API structure.
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 10:59 AM  wrote:
> Was it a one time app charge or recurring?
> What other servers would be better? 
>  
> I am totally new to iot. 
>  
> I can imagine how I would build it.  Device communicates to a server in the 
> cloud.  Your cell phone also communicates to that same server etc.  You gotta 
> hope the server never goes away.
>  
> Not sure how the iot device gets connected to the local wifi. 
> There must be some way to config it with SSID or something. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:48 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control
>  
> eWeLink has the most broken servers and product, though it's SUPER easy to 
> install, the reliability just isn't worth the convenience.  It never worked 
> when you wanted to use it.
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
> eWeLink pcb's work pretty well for smartphone/internet controlled relays, 
> about $10 ea and have a good cloud system
>  
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 12:49 PM  wrote:
> I tested my system again today with better antennas.  Maybe 2 miles of 
> reliable functionality.  I need 3 miles.  That is a half roll of fiber. 
>  
> I am starting to lean away from radio remote control.  I presume there are 
> some cloud based switches that I could use?  Just drop my cell phone into a 
> box with the hotspot turned on.  A local cloud based relay can then be 
> controlled from another cell phone at the other end? 
>  
> Does any of the unifi stuff provide this functionality?
>  
> From: Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:04 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control
>  
> Chances are pushing won't have the coverage you want. I still on a passing 
> system and we used to have hundreds of transmitters. Now we have maybe 10.
>  
> Why don't you get a higher power mobile and file for an itinerant  license? 
> Digital radios normally have some i/o capability built in as well.
>  
> I know they won't be as cheap as the $30  BF junk though. At least some of 
> that gear isn't FCC certified.
>  
> For a guy that likes to roll his own there are a lot of options.
>  
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:57 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> That would do it. 
>  
> From: Adam Moffett
> Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:54 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control
>  
> They used to make pagers with a relay in them.  Are pagers still a thing?
> 
> On 9/29/2019 11:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I built a remote control to turn on the air flow from a 175 PSI 375 CFM 
> compressor so that I don’t have to have someone manning a compressor when 
> blowing sponges through miles of duct.
>  
> Using Baofeng and Retevis VHF murs frequencies with DTMF control.
> Not terribly happy with the range.  It is only reliable for 2-3 miles at 
> most. 
> Going to get some 5/8ths wave mag mount for 

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

[Joseph.Schraml]

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VP Sales Operations & Marketing

SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.

+1 (408) 832-4884

joseph.schr...@siaemic.com

www.siaemic.com




>>> Mathew Howard  10/1/2019 6:20 PM >>>

 
Definitely. If you need 10 gig, 5ghz probably isn't very useful.
Is there anything that can do 80ghz and 11/18ghz with the same dish? 





On Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:





A 80ghz plus 11 or 18 ghz dual solution it’s a better option. 

 

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From: AF  on behalf of Mathew Howard 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 7:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km


 


well, they're aren't making any claims about availability here, so I'd say this 
is actually fairly honest. If they were say "10Gbps at 10 KM and 99.999% 
availability!", then yeah... of course plenty of companies do that kind of 
thing, afterall, you can do any two of those things with these radios/dishes. 


 


I don't see any reason you couldn't do 10Gbps at 10km with these radios... 
granted aligning them would probably be a nightmare, and most of us probably 
don't have much use for a link with less than 99% availability, but I imagine 
somebody does.

 



On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:




It seems this 5 GHz backup same antenna thing has become required hype in their 
product space. Apparently the premise is it switches to the 5 GHz if there’s a 
single raindrop, and obviously the backup won’t be 10 Gbps even on a good day, 
probably about 1 or 2% of that.



Apparently if all your competitors are telling whoppers, you need to tell an 
even bigger whopper. Or am I misunderstanding the situation? Maybe they’ve 
harnessed Google’s quantum computing breakthrough.



 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Dan Spitler
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km




I dunno. Their own link-budget doesn't show 10 Gbps over 8km (rain zone D)









On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:




We have several siklu links at 5-6miles. Just have to be prepared to use 
another path when rain fade hits.






On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM  wrote:






For real?








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Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Robert]

Pictures?

On 10/1/19 7:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes. Twice actually.

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:

Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?

Robert

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Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Chuck McCown]

Yes. Twice actually.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 7:17 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?
> 
> Robert
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

[Ken Hohhof]

Something I can’t seem to find in any of this smart home stuff is a monitor for 
a contact closure.  It would need a cellphone app that can check the status, 
and receive a push notification if the contact changes state.

 

I have a cattle farmer who wants to monitor his well pump that supplies water 
to the cattle barns.  There is already a switch for what he wants to monitor, 
he just wants to monitor it remotely and be alerted if a problem occurs.

 

There are sensors for doors and windows but they sense the proximity of a 
magnet, not an external contact closure.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 10:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

If it were me I'd do Shelly.

 

You buy a Shelly 1.  Single count is like $15.  There are no additional costs 
from Shelly.cloud.

 

The terminals are input/output (this is what power goes through the relay and 
gets shut off/on).  Do your 110vac or 12vdc (WATCH THE TERMINAL! It's covered 
on newer ones with a plastic door) for this.  Wire 110vac to your load/neutral 
and that powers the device up.

 

Once powered, you can use a computer/phone to connect to the factory SSID 
Shelly-MACMACMAC.  The device is 192.168.33.1 (you get DHCP).  Configure it to 
connect to your WiFi (the client config).

 

Once it gets online you'll want to update the firmware and then what you want 
to do from there can be through the cloud, Shelly.cloud app for your phone or 
Google/Alexa voice, OR you can just control it via the relay's web interface or 
local URL/API structure.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 10:59 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Was it a one time app charge or recurring?

What other servers would be better?  

 

I am totally new to iot.  

 

I can imagine how I would build it.  Device communicates to a server in the 
cloud.  Your cell phone also communicates to that same server etc.  You gotta 
hope the server never goes away. 

 

Not sure how the iot device gets connected to the local wifi.  

There must be some way to config it with SSID or something.  

 

From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 8:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

eWeLink has the most broken servers and product, though it's SUPER easy to 
install, the reliability just isn't worth the convenience.  It never worked 
when you wanted to use it.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

eWeLink pcb's work pretty well for smartphone/internet controlled relays, about 
$10 ea and have a good cloud system

 

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 12:49 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I tested my system again today with better antennas.  Maybe 2 miles of reliable 
functionality.  I need 3 miles.  That is a half roll of fiber.  

 

I am starting to lean away from radio remote control.  I presume there are some 
cloud based switches that I could use?  Just drop my cell phone into a box with 
the hotspot turned on.  A local cloud based relay can then be controlled from 
another cell phone at the other end?  

 

Does any of the unifi stuff provide this functionality?

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 11:04 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

Chances are pushing won't have the coverage you want. I still on a passing 
system and we used to have hundreds of transmitters. Now we have maybe 10. 

 

Why don't you get a higher power mobile and file for an itinerant  license? 
Digital radios normally have some i/o capability built in as well.

 

I know they won't be as cheap as the $30  BF junk though. At least some of that 
gear isn't FCC certified. 

 

For a guy that likes to roll his own there are a lot of options. 

 

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 10:57 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

That would do it.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2019 9:54 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Remote Control

 

They used to make pagers with a relay in them.  Are pagers still a thing?

On 9/29/2019 11:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I built a remote control to turn on the air flow from a 175 PSI 375 CFM 
compressor so that I don’t have to have someone manning a compressor when 
blowing sponges through miles of duct.

 

Using Baofeng and Retevis VHF murs frequencies with DTMF control.

Not terribly happy with the range.  It is only reliable for 2-3 miles at most.  

Going to get some 5/8ths wave mag mount for the vehicle but not sure that is 
going to help all that much.

 

Could try UHF but I doubt it will be much better.  

 

Anyone know of a radio switch type of thing that works will 

Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Aviat has a radio like that.  18 + 80ghz in the same dish.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 8:20 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

Definitely. If you need 10 gig, 5ghz probably isn't very useful.
Is there anything that can do 80ghz and 11/18ghz with the same dish?

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
A 80ghz plus 11 or 18 ghz dual solution it’s a better option.


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 7:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

well, they're aren't making any claims about availability here, so I'd say this 
is actually fairly honest. If they were say "10Gbps at 10 KM and 99.999% 
availability!", then yeah... of course plenty of companies do that kind of 
thing, afterall, you can do any two of those things with these radios/dishes.

I don't see any reason you couldn't do 10Gbps at 10km with these radios... 
granted aligning them would probably be a nightmare, and most of us probably 
don't have much use for a link with less than 99% availability, but I imagine 
somebody does.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
It seems this 5 GHz backup same antenna thing has become required hype in their 
product space.  Apparently the premise is it switches to the 5 GHz if there’s a 
single raindrop, and obviously the backup won’t be 10 Gbps even on a good day, 
probably about 1 or 2% of that.

Apparently if all your competitors are telling whoppers, you need to tell an 
even bigger whopper.  Or am I misunderstanding the situation?  Maybe they’ve 
harnessed Google’s quantum computing breakthrough.

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Dan Spitler
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

I dunno. Their own link-budget doesn't show 10 Gbps over 8km (rain zone D)
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On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
We have several siklu links at 5-6miles.  Just have to be prepared to use 
another path when rain fade hits.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
For real?

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Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

[Mathew Howard]

Definitely. If you need 10 gig, 5ghz probably isn't very useful.
Is there anything that can do 80ghz and 11/18ghz with the same dish?

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 7:32 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> A 80ghz plus 11 or 18 ghz dual solution it’s a better option.
>
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, October 1, 2019 at 7:12 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km
>
>
>
> well, they're aren't making any claims about availability here, so I'd say
> this is actually fairly honest. If they were say "10Gbps at 10 KM and
> 99.999% availability!", then yeah... of course plenty of companies do that
> kind of thing, afterall, you can do any two of those things with these
> radios/dishes.
>
>
>
> I don't see any reason you couldn't do 10Gbps at 10km with these radios...
> granted aligning them would probably be a nightmare, and most of us
> probably don't have much use for a link with less than 99% availability,
> but I imagine somebody does.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> It seems this 5 GHz backup same antenna thing has become required hype in
> their product space.  Apparently the premise is it switches to the 5 GHz if
> there’s a single raindrop, and obviously the backup won’t be 10 Gbps even
> on a good day, probably about 1 or 2% of that.
>
>
>
> Apparently if all your competitors are telling whoppers, you need to tell
> an even bigger whopper.  Or am I misunderstanding the situation?  Maybe
> they’ve harnessed Google’s quantum computing breakthrough.
>
>
>
> [image: A picture containing clipart Description automatically generated]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dan Spitler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km
>
>
>
> I dunno. Their own link-budget doesn't show 10 Gbps over 8km (rain zone D)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:11 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> We have several siklu links at 5-6miles.  Just have to be prepared to use
> another path when rain fade hits.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM  wrote:
>
> For real?
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Big Boy 4014

[Robert]

Any chance anyone in Utah went over to watch it go by?

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Re: [AFMUG] in case Chuck wants to move to Montana

[Chuck McCown]

Forrest already lives there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:22 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Here’s the house for you:
>  
> https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/otherworldly-off-the-grid-compound-in-montana/
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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

[Ken Hohhof]

I don't think it's so much an attack as somebody clicked on something.

 

And suing the ISP would be like suing Ford because you used your car to go
buy some tainted vapes that made you sick.  That said, it is pretty common
to have something in your TOS saying you just connect the customer to the
Internet and are not liable for any spam, scams, and offensive or malicious
content they might find there.

 

Also, from what I've heard, by the time they see the ransom notice on the
screen, all the data has already been encrypted and they're screwed.  It's
also amazing how many companies have backups but they're just different
drives on the same computer or they are on the same network so the backups
are also encrypted.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

 

 

ewww. lets go even deeper.  can the ISP be held for damages because they
were used in the attack??

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller   

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:25 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

 

 

Big report in the news here today, one of our largest regional hospitals
(DCH Medical in Tuscaloosa AL) had to cease operations today due to being
compromised with Ransomware.

 

https://www.al.com/news/2019/10/dch-health-system-closed-to-all-but-most-cri
tical-new-patients-due-to-ransomware-attack.html

 

Man, I wouldn't want to be their CTO.  

 

Question, how would you respond to something like this?  Hope you have
backups!  And sure, I've dealt with this at least once in my computer
consulting business.  Client got hit and everything from the offending
desktop to the network attached storage got encrypted.  Took 18 hours or so
to back everything up (incase they ever broke the encryption) and restore
about 6 tb of data.  Fun times.  (not)

 

If you see this has happened or you are responding and you have over 100
computers / devices on the network do you look for large bursts

of network traffic?  Isolate and shut down segments until you find the
offending switch the device is on?  

 

I read some comments on a facebook group "IT Stories and Nightmares" or
something like that - - that they've responded to similar situations

and as soon as you clear a computer it gets reinfected because the
ransomware is still on the network.  That must suck

 

The case I saw got everything that was network connected - - that had a
share.  If something wasn't shared it was OK.  The computer got

infected and the network attached storage got infected but the individual
pcs did not (cause they were not shared on the network)

I guess it has gotten worse now since that happened (i think that was back
in March)

 

How do you actively try to prevent against this moving forward?  I can see a
case for totally using vlans to isolate entire departments.

Lets say you're a bank.  Create a vlan for the tellers, for the
administrators, for the loan officers, for the loan department.  None of
them

talk to one another.  Use a router on each segment of the network and none
of them talk to each other.  They only access what they need

and nothing more.  The days of the "large network share drive" are done
with.

 

Lets say you're a private school.  Maybe the high school is on one vlan.
The middle school is on another.  The dorms are on another.

The computer labs are on another.  The public wifi is on yet another.  None
of them talk to one another.  If one gets infected it doesn't

get outside of the vlan?  

Interested in thoughts on this.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

[Nate Burke]

I am not a file system expert, (IANAFSE) but I thought that most large 
NAS's these days employ some sort of copy-on-write technology so that 
any changes are written to a different disk sector preserving the 
original content, so you can just roll back any file changes.  Or would 
that not be HIPA compliant, leaving the old file out there.


Or do the Ransomware encrypters account for this by just doing enough 
writes to fill all the available disk forcing old data to be overwritten.


On 10/1/2019 5:26 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
ewww. lets go even deeper.  can the ISP be held for damages because 
they were used in the attack??


- Original Message -
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:25 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

Big report in the news here today, one of our largest regional
hospitals (DCH Medical in Tuscaloosa AL) had to cease operations
today due to being compromised with Ransomware.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/10/dch-health-system-closed-to-all-but-most-critical-new-patients-due-to-ransomware-attack.html
Man, I wouldn't want to be their CTO.
Question, how would you respond to something like this?  Hope you
have backups!  And sure, I've dealt with this at least once in my
computer consulting business.  Client got hit and everything from
the offending desktop to the network attached storage got
encrypted.  Took 18 hours or so to back everything up (incase they
ever broke the encryption) and restore about 6 tb of data.  Fun
times. (not)
If you see this has happened or you are responding and you have
over 100 computers / devices on the network do you look for large
bursts
of network traffic?  Isolate and shut down segments until you find
the offending switch the device is on?
I read some comments on a facebook group "IT Stories and
Nightmares" or something like that - - that they've responded to
similar situations
and as soon as you clear a computer it gets reinfected because the
ransomware is still on the network.  That must suck
The case I saw got everything that was network connected - - that
had a share.  If something wasn't shared it was OK.  The computer got
infected and the network attached storage got infected but the
individual pcs did not (cause they were not shared on the network)
I guess it has gotten worse now since that happened (i think that
was back in March)
How do you actively try to prevent against this moving forward?  I
can see a case for totally using vlans to isolate entire departments.
Lets say you're a bank.  Create a vlan for the tellers, for the
administrators, for the loan officers, for the loan department. 
None of them

talk to one another.  Use a router on each segment of the network
and none of them talk to each other.  They only access what they need
and nothing more.  The days of the "large network share drive" are
done with.
Lets say you're a private school.  Maybe the high school is on one
vlan.  The middle school is on another.  The dorms are on another.
The computer labs are on another.  The public wifi is on yet
another.  None of them talk to one another.  If one gets infected
it doesn't
get outside of the vlan?

Interested in thoughts on this.


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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

ewww. lets go even deeper.  can the ISP be held for damages because they were 
used in the attack??




  - Original Message - 
  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 5:25 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww



  Big report in the news here today, one of our largest regional hospitals (DCH 
Medical in Tuscaloosa AL) had to cease operations today due to being 
compromised with Ransomware.

  
https://www.al.com/news/2019/10/dch-health-system-closed-to-all-but-most-critical-new-patients-due-to-ransomware-attack.html

  Man, I wouldn't want to be their CTO.  

  Question, how would you respond to something like this?  Hope you have 
backups!  And sure, I've dealt with this at least once in my computer 
consulting business.  Client got hit and everything from the offending desktop 
to the network attached storage got encrypted.  Took 18 hours or so to back 
everything up (incase they ever broke the encryption) and restore about 6 tb of 
data.  Fun times.  (not)

  If you see this has happened or you are responding and you have over 100 
computers / devices on the network do you look for large bursts
  of network traffic?  Isolate and shut down segments until you find the 
offending switch the device is on?  

  I read some comments on a facebook group "IT Stories and Nightmares" or 
something like that - - that they've responded to similar situations
  and as soon as you clear a computer it gets reinfected because the ransomware 
is still on the network.  That must suck

  The case I saw got everything that was network connected - - that had a 
share.  If something wasn't shared it was OK.  The computer got
  infected and the network attached storage got infected but the individual pcs 
did not (cause they were not shared on the network)
  I guess it has gotten worse now since that happened (i think that was back in 
March)

  How do you actively try to prevent against this moving forward?  I can see a 
case for totally using vlans to isolate entire departments.
  Lets say you're a bank.  Create a vlan for the tellers, for the 
administrators, for the loan officers, for the loan department.  None of them
  talk to one another.  Use a router on each segment of the network and none of 
them talk to each other.  They only access what they need
  and nothing more.  The days of the "large network share drive" are done with.

  Lets say you're a private school.  Maybe the high school is on one vlan.  The 
middle school is on another.  The dorms are on another.
  The computer labs are on another.  The public wifi is on yet another.  None 
of them talk to one another.  If one gets infected it doesn't
  get outside of the vlan?  

  Interested in thoughts on this.




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[AFMUG] Ransomware - ewww

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Big report in the news here today, one of our largest regional hospitals (DCH 
Medical in Tuscaloosa AL) had to cease operations today due to being 
compromised with Ransomware.

https://www.al.com/news/2019/10/dch-health-system-closed-to-all-but-most-critical-new-patients-due-to-ransomware-attack.html

Man, I wouldn't want to be their CTO.  

Question, how would you respond to something like this?  Hope you have backups! 
 And sure, I've dealt with this at least once in my computer consulting 
business.  Client got hit and everything from the offending desktop to the 
network attached storage got encrypted.  Took 18 hours or so to back everything 
up (incase they ever broke the encryption) and restore about 6 tb of data.  Fun 
times.  (not)

If you see this has happened or you are responding and you have over 100 
computers / devices on the network do you look for large bursts
of network traffic?  Isolate and shut down segments until you find the 
offending switch the device is on?  

I read some comments on a facebook group "IT Stories and Nightmares" or 
something like that - - that they've responded to similar situations
and as soon as you clear a computer it gets reinfected because the ransomware 
is still on the network.  That must suck

The case I saw got everything that was network connected - - that had a share.  
If something wasn't shared it was OK.  The computer got
infected and the network attached storage got infected but the individual pcs 
did not (cause they were not shared on the network)
I guess it has gotten worse now since that happened (i think that was back in 
March)

How do you actively try to prevent against this moving forward?  I can see a 
case for totally using vlans to isolate entire departments.
Lets say you're a bank.  Create a vlan for the tellers, for the administrators, 
for the loan officers, for the loan department.  None of them
talk to one another.  Use a router on each segment of the network and none of 
them talk to each other.  They only access what they need
and nothing more.  The days of the "large network share drive" are done with.

Lets say you're a private school.  Maybe the high school is on one vlan.  The 
middle school is on another.  The dorms are on another.
The computer labs are on another.  The public wifi is on yet another.  None of 
them talk to one another.  If one gets infected it doesn't
get outside of the vlan?  

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Re: [AFMUG] Hmmm: 10Gbps @ 10Km

[Sean Heskett]

We have several siklu links at 5-6miles.  Just have to be prepared to use
another path when rain fade hits.

On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> For real?
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Re: [AFMUG] movie review question

[chuck]

Planning on doing both, but neither yet.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 3:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] movie review question

I’ve heard good reviews of the Judy Garland movie and the Linda Ronstadt movie. 
 Anyone seen both?  If you had to go to just one, which one?




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[AFMUG] movie review question

[Ken Hohhof]

I've heard good reviews of the Judy Garland movie and the Linda Ronstadt
movie.  Anyone seen both?  If you had to go to just one, which one?

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Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

[chuck]

Bought this but no POE.  Gotta get the POE version...


From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 11:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

Brand new HP/Aruba… lifetime warranty 48 port POE … vs a Ubiquiti who? 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEw-HP-Aruba-2530-48G-Switch-J9775A-HP-2530-48G/202493339301?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D3efe8b5e0b224dd1bd20a092d59d6d4d%26pid%3D15%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D254234922526%26itm%3D202493339301%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c15.m1851

 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

Sometimes you get what you pay for.  I want  reliability first and foremost, 
and the ability to selectively turn POE on and off on a per port basis.  

 

From: Gino A. Villarini 

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 11:37 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

There are dit cheap POE switches on ebay… HP, and others.. 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


 
  
  
  
  
  
  

www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

Who is the best vendor for UBNT switches?

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 11:23 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

I’ve been using the UBNT POE switches (48 port SFP+ uplink) for a few years now 
in my small office and they work great.

 

Even better use the unify version and get a cloud key etc so you have the nice 
interface, and even better get the unify routers to do deep packet inspection 
in their nice interface.

You can still get to the ‘ugly’ full on interface with a click from the ‘nice’ 
interface which I like.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

Maybe I will move my switch to the cloud...

 

From: Adair Winter 

Sent: Friday, September 27, 2019 9:02 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

 

We've moved our house network to ubnt edgeswitch. or if you like cloud things.. 
ubnt unifi

 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM  wrote:

  I have a flaky ethernet switch at my shop.  

  Actually I have two of them and not which one is causing problems.  

  I need about 72 ports, some POE, some not.  

  Recommendations?  My POE switch is Nortel...

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Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation

[Jaime Solorza]

A local WISP replaced his managed old Cisco switches with newer user Cisco
ones...err... mistake...hired a guy from WSMR who set up a new managed
Cisco switch at main POP then UBNT managed 8 port switches at all remote
sites fed by UBnt and Cambium ptp radios...remote clients get 175-200MBps.

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019, 11:45 AM  wrote:

> Sometimes you get what you pay for.  I want  reliability first and
> foremost, and the ability to selectively turn POE on and off on a per port
> basis.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 11:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation
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> There are dit cheap POE switches on ebay… HP, and others..
>
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
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> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Friday, September 27, 2019 at 1:31 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] switch recommendation
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> Who is the best vendor for UBNT switches?
>
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> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 11:23 AM
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> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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> I’ve been using the UBNT POE switches (48 port SFP+ uplink) for a few
> years now in my small office and they work great.
>
>
>
> Even better use the unify version and get a cloud key etc so you have the
> nice interface, and even better get the unify routers to do deep packet
> inspection in their nice interface.
>
> You can still get to the ‘ugly’ full on interface with a click from the
> ‘nice’ interface which I like.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 9:07 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
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>
> Maybe I will move my switch to the cloud...
>
>
>
> *From:* Adair Winter
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> *Sent:* Friday, September 27, 2019 9:02 AM
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> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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> We've moved our house network to ubnt edgeswitch. or if you like cloud
> things.. ubnt unifi
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 10:00 AM  wrote:
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> I have a flaky ethernet switch at my shop.
>
> Actually I have two of them and not which one is causing problems.
>
> I need about 72 ports, some POE, some not.
>
> Recommendations?  My POE switch is Nortel...
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding

[dave via AF]

Yes, +1
I have proof a tower where the sections have little or no conductivity.
We did exothermic at the base but did crimp at the top and we used the 
harger clamps every 3' down the tower and no longer have any issues with 
the site. BTW it was 440' in height


This has been installed since 2017.



On 9/29/19 2:00 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Definitely. A 2/0 or larger exothermically welded to a top mounted 
ground rod to the ground system at bottom improves conducting strikes 
to earth greatly. Counting on tower sections to conduct the strike to 
ground is unreliable at best.


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM Matt > wrote:


I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
protection?

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Re: [AFMUG] Tower Grounding

[Matt]

I have seen brass clamps what clamp around the copper cable then also
clamp to flat iron to to attach to tower on path down. Where can I get
such a thing or what are the called?

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 2:01 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>
> Definitely. A 2/0 or larger exothermically welded to a top mounted ground rod 
> to the ground system at bottom improves conducting strikes to earth greatly. 
> Counting on tower sections to conduct the strike to ground is unreliable at 
> best.
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2019, 12:32 PM Matt  wrote:
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>> I have seen some towers that have a copper ground wire run all the way
>> to top of tower.  Is there any real benefit in this for lightning
>> protection?
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