Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Darin Steffl]

I messed up that last email. We're upgrading three AF11 links with Aviat
this spring. We'll move the AF11 links to other towers that could use more
than the 5ghz backhauls are providing.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 11:56 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> Do what Kurt is doing and what I'm fine, replace the AF11 with aviat in
> same channels. The increase is from 650mb full duplex to 1400mb full
> duplex.
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:24 PM  wrote:
>
>> Here is a circulator and BPF style.  "Should" work great with very little
>> loss.
>> But expensive.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:18 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> This is the hybrid combiner version.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
>> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
>> filters
>> on the transmitters.
>> To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
>> combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.
>>
>> So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
>> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
>> here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
>> I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
>> Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
>> than circulators.
>>
>> Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
>> bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
>> You could add the filters.
>>
>> Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
>> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>>
>> Both paths are dual polarity v/h
>> SiteA
>> Radio1 TX 11505
>> Radio2 TX 11225
>>
>> SiteB
>> Radio1 TX 11015
>> Radio2 TX 10735
>>
>> Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
>> high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
>> single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
>> dish, one radio on V one radio on H.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nate
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
>> > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
>> what
>> > polarization.
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
>> > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>> > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
>> > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
>> > that won't work and present a solution for him.
>> >
>> > Channels we have are
>> > 11505x11015 (high)
>> > 11225x10735 (low)
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Nate
>> >
>> > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
>> >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
>> >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
>> >>
>> >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want
>> to
>> >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
>> >> To: Chuck McCown
>> >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>> >>
>> >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
>> >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do
>> have
>> >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
>> >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
>> >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
>> >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
>> >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
>> >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
>> >> Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
>> >> would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
>> >> this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
>> >> head.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >> Nate Burke
>> >> Blast Communications
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Re: [AFMUG] AF11 custom combiner

[Darin Steffl]

Do what Kurt is doing and what I'm fine, replace the AF11 with aviat in
same channels. The increase is from 650mb full duplex to 1400mb full
duplex.

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:24 PM  wrote:

> Here is a circulator and BPF style.  "Should" work great with very little
> loss.
> But expensive.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:18 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> This is the hybrid combiner version.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:06 PM
> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Now that I think about it, this will not work without sharp bandpass
> filters
> on the transmitters.
> To do what I have drawn here without the filters you would need a hybrid
> combiner on the TX and you will lose another 3 dB in that.
>
> So 6 dB loss over all from one end to the other.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:00 PM
> To: Nate Burke ; af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Nate, I am posting this to the list too.  Want to see if I made a mistake
> here.  I don't have a ton of experience with the internals of the AF11.
> I think each diplexer feeds a TX and an RX right?
> Not sure how good the RX input filters are.  So I used a splitter rather
> than circulators.
>
> Circulators would have less loss but you have to have a pretty sharp
> bandpass filter on the front of the receivers to do that trick.
> You could add the filters.
>
> Not sure this will work without TX filters too but I think it will.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:15 AM
> To: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Subject: Re: Re: AF11 custom combiner
>
> Both paths are dual polarity v/h
> SiteA
> Radio1 TX 11505
> Radio2 TX 11225
>
> SiteB
> Radio1 TX 11015
> Radio2 TX 10735
>
> Those are different Diplexers on the AF11 Radios  11015x11505 is the
> high diplexer  11225x10735 is the low diplexer.  If they were just
> single pol licenses, I'm already doing that with 2 radios on 1 AF11
> dish, one radio on V one radio on H.
>
> Thanks,
> Nate
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 12:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > 10735 is pretty close to 11015.  Would these be tx frequencies?
> > Need to know what is RX and what is TX at this site.  Also what is on
> what
> > polarization.
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Wednesday, March 25,
> > 2020 10:55 AM To: ch...@wbmfg.com Subject: Re: AF11 custom combiner
> > The boss is asking the questions, and in his mind it should be as simple
> > as wire-nutting the 3 coax's together.  So I have to follow up with why
> > that won't work and present a solution for him.
> >
> > Channels we have are
> > 11505x11015 (high)
> > 11225x10735 (low)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nate
> >
> > On 3/25/2020 11:10 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Yes, you can do that and it is lossy.
> >> Circulators and splitters are frequently used.
> >> Being high/low licenses makes things a bit more difficult.
> >>
> >> If you can give me details as to what radios and frequencies you want to
> >> put on the AF11 dish I can think on it a bit.
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:44 AM
> >> To: Chuck McCown
> >> Subject: AF11 custom combiner
> >>
> >> Chuck, We've been using your AF11 REMEC adapters in a couple places.  I
> >> have a location where I can't physically add another Dish, but I do have
> >> 2 licensed channels to the site.  1 high band and 1 low band. Is there
> >> a way to combine 2 dual band radios onto the same dish?  I already have
> >> the AF11 dish installed, so if there was just a way to do a
> >> splitter/combiner with the N Connectors, that would be ideal.  I didn't
> >> know if such a beast existed, or if it was something in your
> >> engineering/production toolbag, or if it's technically impossible.
> >> Maybe using the Coax would be too much loss, and the only way to do it
> >> would be with a feedhorn combiner, and the remec adapters.  I thought
> >> this might be something that you would just know off the top of your
> >> head.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Nate Burke
> >> Blast Communications
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Brandon Yuchasz]

They are confirming on the forums that this shows up in 16.2 as well. They are 
looking into if it’s just reporting wrong or an actual issue with the frame 
utilization. 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame 
utilazation issues.

 

Not that I’ve seen

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:33 AM Matt  wrote:

Does 16.2 have this bug?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
>
> Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums but it 
> cost me the better part of the day so here ya go.
>
> There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame 
> utilization to peg at or close to 100%.
>
> 16.1 works fine.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe I've got an old lap.

 

Actually since it was top of the line everything at the time, it's still not
that different from the latest version.  And it looks and works like new.
Only 6th gen i7, but CPU performance is only increasing incrementally
between generations these days.  I think the biggest improvement in the
current version is they moved the camera to the top of the bezel.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

But it's still an old laptop...

On 3/26/2020 6:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hey, the battery was only $70.

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Are you married to that laptop?  Just get a whole new machine.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-Graphics-Keyboard-A515-43-R19L/dp/B07RF1
XD36  I only look for things with a wired Ethernet port.  Dongles drive me
crazy.  




On 3/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I'm just afraid that by 2022 they won't be available anymore.  Or I guess if
they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an Amazon warehouse for 2
years?

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's bad I
just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 on good or
dead

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for
the second time.  I guess that's not shocking.

 

But Dell wasn't even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did
get a free one from them because they had a problem with the original
batteries swelling.  That replacement didn't swell, but the runtime had
decreased dramatically.

 

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked just
like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I'm pretty sure covers the
Dell name.  It's a pretty nice laptop and I can't guarantee I'll be ready to
retire it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.
Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?

 

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually
discharge and go bad?  It's not very difficult to change the battery, would
it help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw
something on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially
not fully charged.  And of course they can't put anything on the Internet
unless it's true.

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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[Jaime Solorza]

Well we USA have more cases then any other countries ...and both countries
have inept presidents.  Mayors and Governors are the ones who will take the
necessary action...
Sticking to what works...no flu in over a decade... Tecate and
Jalapeno...peace

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 4:56 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I hope Mexico gets their shit together on this virus thing.  Not that
> we’re a shining light, but they seem determined to make Italy look good.
> They must think eating jalapenos confers immunity.
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193823/coronavirus-mexico-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-health-care
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso
>
>
>
> For me the cognate for caldo is caldron.  Sopa is soup.  So if you have a
> simmering caldron of something, what is that thing?  Could be stew or
> beans...  But that would be a caldero de frijoles.  Being a gringo I am not
> qualified to make these comments...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:05 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso
>
>
>
> So the other day I had to look up the difference between caldo and sopa,
> and the Internet gods said broth vs soup.
>
> But why is this sopa?  OK, I’m just reading the package.  Does putting
> some calabacitas and queso in caldo turn it into sopa?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso
>
>
>
> My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking
> my butt...salud
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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[Steve Jones]

I want a cauldron. I would cook ham and beans for months, just add a chunk
of ham and bag of beans every few days. Ham hocks, maybe some jowl bacon.
If it gets bad out there, the neighbors dog, maybe the neighbors thigh,
whatever is available

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 PM  wrote:

> For me the cognate for caldo is caldron.  Sopa is soup.  So if you have a
> simmering caldron of something, what is that thing?  Could be stew or
> beans...  But that would be a caldero de frijoles.  Being a gringo I am not
> qualified to make these comments...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:05 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso
>
>
> So the other day I had to look up the difference between caldo and sopa,
> and the Internet gods said broth vs soup.
>
> But why is this sopa?  OK, I’m just reading the package.  Does putting
> some calabacitas and queso in caldo turn it into sopa?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:36 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso
>
>
>
> My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking
> my butt...salud
>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 22, Issue 711

[Ryan McAfee]

The XPS line is just awesome. I understand not wanting to get rid of it
(sent from my 4-5 year old XPS13)

Ryan

-Original Message-

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:06:46 -0500
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?
Message-ID: <006101d603c3$39477a20$abd66e60$@kwisp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hey, the battery was only $70.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Are you married to that laptop?  Just get a whole new machine.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-Graphics-Keyboard-A515-43-R19L/dp/B07RF1
XD36  I only look for things with a wired Ethernet port.  Dongles drive me
crazy.  



On 3/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I'm just afraid that by 2022 they won't be available anymore.  Or I guess if
they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an Amazon warehouse for 2
years?

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's bad I
just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 on good or
dead

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for
the second time.  I guess that's not shocking.

 

But Dell wasn't even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did
get a free one from them because they had a problem with the original
batteries swelling.  That replacement didn't swell, but the runtime had
decreased dramatically.

 

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked just
like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I'm pretty sure covers the
Dell name.  It's a pretty nice laptop and I can't guarantee I'll be ready to
retire it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.
Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?

 

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually
discharge and go bad?  It's not very difficult to change the battery, would
it help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw
something on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially
not fully charged.  And of course they can't put anything on the Internet
unless it's true.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Nate Burke]

But it's still an old laptop...

On 3/26/2020 6:06 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Hey, the battery was only $70.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

Are you married to that laptop?  Just get a whole new machine.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-Graphics-Keyboard-A515-43-R19L/dp/B07RF1XD36 
I only look for things with a wired Ethernet port.  Dongles drive me 
crazy.


On 3/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’m just afraid that by 2022 they won’t be available anymore.  Or
I guess if they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an
Amazon warehouse for 2 years?

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in
storage?

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if
it's bad I just get another, I don't know how they store them but
its 50 50 on good or dead

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion
battery for the second time.  I guess that’s not shocking.

But Dell wasn’t even selling replacement batteries the first
time.  I did get a free one from them because they had a
problem with the original batteries swelling.  That
replacement didn’t swell, but the runtime had decreased
dramatically.

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly,
and looked just like the Dell battery except for a sticker
that I’m pretty sure covers the Dell name.  It’s a pretty nice
laptop and I can’t guarantee I’ll be ready to retire it 2
years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.
Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it
just gradually discharge and go bad?  It’s not very difficult
to change the battery, would it help to swap batteries every 6
months or something?  I actually saw something on the Internet
that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially not fully
charged.  And of course they can’t put anything on the
Internet unless it’s true.

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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[Ken Hohhof]

Haha, Blue Bunny is everywhere!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

Everyone, even wife, felt the burn.

 

Remedy

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 3:41 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I think it is time to go home and make some soup.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:36 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking my 
butt...salud


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Ken Hohhof]

Hey, the battery was only $70.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Are you married to that laptop?  Just get a whole new machine.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-Graphics-Keyboard-A515-43-R19L/dp/B07RF1
XD36  I only look for things with a wired Ethernet port.  Dongles drive me
crazy.  



On 3/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I'm just afraid that by 2022 they won't be available anymore.  Or I guess if
they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an Amazon warehouse for 2
years?

 

From: AF    On
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's bad I
just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 on good or
dead

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for
the second time.  I guess that's not shocking.

 

But Dell wasn't even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did
get a free one from them because they had a problem with the original
batteries swelling.  That replacement didn't swell, but the runtime had
decreased dramatically.

 

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked just
like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I'm pretty sure covers the
Dell name.  It's a pretty nice laptop and I can't guarantee I'll be ready to
retire it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.
Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?

 

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually
discharge and go bad?  It's not very difficult to change the battery, would
it help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw
something on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially
not fully charged.  And of course they can't put anything on the Internet
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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[Ken Hohhof]

I hope Mexico gets their shit together on this virus thing.  Not that we’re a 
shining light, but they seem determined to make Italy look good.  They must 
think eating jalapenos confers immunity.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/26/21193823/coronavirus-mexico-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador-health-care

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:28 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

For me the cognate for caldo is caldron.  Sopa is soup.  So if you have a 
simmering caldron of something, what is that thing?  Could be stew or beans...  
But that would be a caldero de frijoles.  Being a gringo I am not qualified to 
make these comments...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:05 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

So the other day I had to look up the difference between caldo and sopa, and 
the Internet gods said broth vs soup.

But why is this sopa?  OK, I’m just reading the package.  Does putting some 
calabacitas and queso in caldo turn it into sopa? 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking my 
butt...salud

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Nate Burke]

Are you married to that laptop?  Just get a whole new machine.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-Display-Graphics-Keyboard-A515-43-R19L/dp/B07RF1XD36 
I only look for things with a wired Ethernet port.  Dongles drive me crazy.



On 3/26/2020 5:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I’m just afraid that by 2022 they won’t be available anymore.  Or I 
guess if they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an Amazon 
warehouse for 2 years?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's 
bad I just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 
on good or dead


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion
battery for the second time.  I guess that’s not shocking.

But Dell wasn’t even selling replacement batteries the first
time.  I did get a free one from them because they had a problem
with the original batteries swelling.  That replacement didn’t
swell, but the runtime had decreased dramatically.

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and
looked just like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I’m
pretty sure covers the Dell name.  It’s a pretty nice laptop and I
can’t guarantee I’ll be ready to retire it 2 years from now when
this battery will probably need replacing. Amazon still has them
in stock, should I order another one?

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just
gradually discharge and go bad?  It’s not very difficult to change
the battery, would it help to swap batteries every 6 months or
something?  I actually saw something on the Internet that Li-ion
batteries should be stored partially not fully charged.  And of
course they can’t put anything on the Internet unless it’s true.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m just afraid that by 2022 they won’t be available anymore.  Or I guess if 
they are, maybe they will have been sitting in an Amazon warehouse for 2 years?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

 

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's bad I 
just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 on good or dead

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for the 
second time.  I guess that’s not shocking.

 

But Dell wasn’t even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did get a 
free one from them because they had a problem with the original batteries 
swelling.  That replacement didn’t swell, but the runtime had decreased 
dramatically.

 

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked just 
like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I’m pretty sure covers the Dell 
name.  It’s a pretty nice laptop and I can’t guarantee I’ll be ready to retire 
it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.  Amazon 
still has them in stock, should I order another one?

 

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually 
discharge and go bad?  It’s not very difficult to change the battery, would it 
help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw something 
on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially not fully 
charged.  And of course they can’t put anything on the Internet unless it’s 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Steve Jones]

Hit or miss on these. They're so cheap anymore on old laptops, if it's bad
I just get another, I don't know how they store them but its 50 50 on good
or dead

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for
> the second time.  I guess that’s not shocking.
>
>
>
> But Dell wasn’t even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did
> get a free one from them because they had a problem with the original
> batteries swelling.  That replacement didn’t swell, but the runtime had
> decreased dramatically.
>
>
>
> The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked
> just like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I’m pretty sure covers
> the Dell name.  It’s a pretty nice laptop and I can’t guarantee I’ll be
> ready to retire it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need
> replacing.  Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?
>
>
>
> Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually
> discharge and go bad?  It’s not very difficult to change the battery, would
> it help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw
> something on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially
> not fully charged.  And of course they can’t put anything on the Internet
> unless it’s true.
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[AFMUG] OT - will spare laptop battery go bad in storage?

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a 4 year old Dell XPS 15 and I just replaced the Li-ion battery for
the second time.  I guess that's not shocking.

 

But Dell wasn't even selling replacement batteries the first time.  I did
get a free one from them because they had a problem with the original
batteries swelling.  That replacement didn't swell, but the runtime had
decreased dramatically.

 

The no-name replacement (bought from Amazon) fit perfectly, and looked just
like the Dell battery except for a sticker that I'm pretty sure covers the
Dell name.  It's a pretty nice laptop and I can't guarantee I'll be ready to
retire it 2 years from now when this battery will probably need replacing.
Amazon still has them in stock, should I order another one?

 

Or is putting a spare battery on the shelf stupid, will it just gradually
discharge and go bad?  It's not very difficult to change the battery, would
it help to swap batteries every 6 months or something?  I actually saw
something on the Internet that Li-ion batteries should be stored partially
not fully charged.  And of course they can't put anything on the Internet
unless it's true.

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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[chuck]

For me the cognate for caldo is caldron.  Sopa is soup.  So if you have a 
simmering caldron of something, what is that thing?  Could be stew or beans...  
But that would be a caldero de frijoles.  Being a gringo I am not qualified to 
make these comments...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:05 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

So the other day I had to look up the difference between caldo and sopa, and 
the Internet gods said broth vs soup.

But why is this sopa?  OK, I’m just reading the package.  Does putting some 
calabacitas and queso in caldo turn it into sopa? 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking my 
butt...salud




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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[Ken Hohhof]

So the other day I had to look up the difference between caldo and sopa, and 
the Internet gods said broth vs soup.

But why is this sopa?  OK, I’m just reading the package.  Does putting some 
calabacitas and queso in caldo turn it into sopa? 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 4:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

 

My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking my 
butt...salud

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Re: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

[chuck]

I think it is time to go home and make some soup.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:36 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Calabacitas con queso

My wife made this quick lunch and damn it's hot...the jalapeno is kicking my 
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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Steve Jones]

Cheat is effectively free if you can identify the right number of customers
who you passed over because of a failed installation.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:10 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one
> recurring flight plan for the whole year.
> On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  You
> could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look cooler and
> burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a flying car, it's
> that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file flight plans.
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting in
> line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the installs
> too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, nanotech
> installs
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for trees
> near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.
>
>
>
> I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really tall
> skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or something that
> grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees had grown to be taller
> than the house, and they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything
> was fine when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from the
> south, the link would completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees
> were bending in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story
> roof and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of
> the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
> to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew hard enough.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
>
>
> that would be a discussion to have with them.
>
> LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30 seconds is
> amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical explanation to
> where it worked and where it didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically
> looking for LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR
> data would have to distinguish maples from pines from buildings.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>
> Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5 GHz was
> supported.  900 was on the road map.
>
> Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> > At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
> >
> > Jeff Broadwick
> > CTIconnect
> > 312-205-2519 Office
> > 574-220-7826 Cell
> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> >
> >> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What frequencies does it support?
> >>
> >> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next guy over?
> >>> *From:* Steve Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged. You never
> know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of
> hills, I can see the price being too high. But the other part where they
> help identify best locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and
> more coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good too. But
> they're hard to keep watered.
> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of per site
> >>> does not work for us.  We have to have many small sites because of
> >>> hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if you had a few
> >>> mega sites it could make sense.
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Jones
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
> >>>
> >>> much much more than free
> >>>
> >>> but much much less input and much much much more output
> >>>
> >>> I had the same question, and skepticism, until 

Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[chuck]

Yeah, I suppose I would hire a Indian company to crank it out.  They are pretty 
cheap.
Could do it myself but I am lazy and don’t want to learn how.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

You'd need to build an Android app and iPhone app.  And all the other problems 
that come with it (installing it, versions, maintaining it, updating it through 
major OS).  Something universal for such a basic need is far superior for your 
use case.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Brian Webster  wrote:

  Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to connect 
etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an internet 
connection.



  Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data written 
to the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just scan it. What 
do those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT checkpoints? Can you just 
use that system?



  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone



  Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self 
checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the 
load with the office.

  Sent from my iPhone





  On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:



Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale 
house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or 
other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number using 
the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a problem. 
Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it etc. I like 
the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor is displaying a 
QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code link to the official 
ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big enough monitor so the driver 
can take the picture right from the cab. Wondering if the electronic log 
systems could not have a camera installed to take the picture or scan the QR 
code and have it automatically entered in to their logs. The same camera could 
be used and left running as a dash cam as well in case there are ever any 
accidents.



Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone



I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have 
it translate to a URL with the PDF?




Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 



  On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of 
the problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

Sent from my iPhone






On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  

  Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with 
the current system?



  Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old 
slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.



  Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  
And if you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone



  They think that is too much effort 

  Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:

 

If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I 
suggested they email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to 
attempt to load in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is 
a way using bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too 
much setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if 
they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good 
to have one.

Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[chuck]

This is just one single quarry, the app would be their own private app.  
It could actually be a marketing feature for them.
They have very good fiber internet.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:10 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to connect 
etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an internet 
connection.

 

Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data written to 
the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just scan it. What do 
those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT checkpoints? Can you just use 
that system?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self 
checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the 
load with the office.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:

  

  Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale 
house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or 
other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number using 
the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a problem. 
Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it etc. I like 
the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor is displaying a 
QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code link to the official 
ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big enough monitor so the driver 
can take the picture right from the cab. Wondering if the electronic log 
systems could not have a camera installed to take the picture or scan the QR 
code and have it automatically entered in to their logs. The same camera could 
be used and left running as a dash cam as well in case there are ever any 
accidents.

   

  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

   

  I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it 
translate to a URL with the PDF?


   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

  Sent from my iPhone






  On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
current system?

 

Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old 
slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.

 

Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And 
if you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

They think that is too much effort 

Sent from my iPhone

 

  On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I 
suggested they email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to 
attempt to load in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is 
a way using bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too 
much setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if 
they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good 
to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  
Like to make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  
The UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale 
ticketing software.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[can...@believewireless.net]

There are several frameworks where you can create an iOS, Android and
Windows app with one code base.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:32 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You'd need to build an Android app and iPhone app.  And all the other
> problems that come with it (installing it, versions, maintaining it,
> updating it through major OS).  Something universal for such a basic need
> is far superior for your use case.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to
>> connect etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an
>> internet connection.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data
>> written to the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just
>> scan it. What do those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT
>> checkpoints? Can you just use that system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self
>> checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the
>> load with the office.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale
>> house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or
>> other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number
>> using the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a
>> problem. Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it
>> etc. I like the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor
>> is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code
>> link to the official ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big
>> enough monitor so the driver can take the picture right from the cab.
>> Wondering if the electronic log systems could not have a camera installed
>> to take the picture or scan the QR code and have it automatically entered
>> in to their logs. The same camera could be used and left running as a dash
>> cam as well in case there are ever any accidents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.
>> Have it translate to a URL with the PDF?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
>> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
>> current system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
>> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
>> in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
>> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> They think that is too much effort
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
>> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
>> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
>> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
>> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
>> it is good to 

Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Bill Prince]

  
  
They could set up a scales-only WiFi hotspot and web server.
  Customer could connect to the hotspot & access the web server;
  enter their ticket number (or whatever), and see or save or
  whatever the ticket. Doesn't require internet access & doesn't
  even really need to be connected to the internet (unless that's
  what they want).


bp



On 3/26/2020 8:31 AM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  You'd need to build an Android app and iPhone app. 
And all the other problems that come with it (installing it,
versions, maintaining it, updating it through major OS). 
Something universal for such a basic need is far superior for
your use case.

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


  
  
  
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:11
  AM Brian Webster 
  wrote:


  

  Problem
  with an app is that you have to get everyone with
  scales to connect etc. I can imagine a lot of places
  with scales don’t have an internet connection.
   
  Wondering
  if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up.
  Data written to the tag, law enforcement needs to know
  the info they can just scan it. What do those in cab
  systems do that you see in the DOT checkpoints? Can
  you just use that system?
   
  
Thank
you,
Brian
Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
  
   
  

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

  
   
  Great
ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app. 
Like self checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of
material and it registers the load with the office.
  
Sent from my iPhone
  
  

  

On Mar
  26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster 
  wrote:
  
  

  
  Google
  Voice lets you text from your account using the
  web browser. Scale house can set up a free Google
  Voice account. You can text with pictures or other
  mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for
  the phone number using the intercom, type it in
  and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a problem.
  Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones
  won’t connect to it etc. I like the taking the
  picture of the monitor especially if the monitor
  is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there,
  truck number and a QR code link to the official
  ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big
  enough monitor so the driver can take the picture
  right from the cab. Wondering if the electronic
  log systems could not have a camera installed to
  take the picture or scan the QR code and have it
  automatically entered in to their logs. The same
  camera could be used and left running as a dash
  cam as well in case there are ever any accidents.
   
  Thank
  you,
  Brian
  Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com
   
  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
   
  
I like Carls idea the best -
  any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it
  translate to a URL with the PDF?
 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Sean Heskett]

Not that I’ve seen

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:33 AM Matt  wrote:

> Does 16.2 have this bug?
>
> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
> >
> > Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums
> but it cost me the better part of the day so here ya go.
> >
> > There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame
> utilization to peg at or close to 100%.
> >
> > 16.1 works fine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brandon
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Josh Luthman]

You'd need to build an Android app and iPhone app.  And all the other
problems that come with it (installing it, versions, maintaining it,
updating it through major OS).  Something universal for such a basic need
is far superior for your use case.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to
> connect etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an
> internet connection.
>
>
>
> Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data
> written to the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just
> scan it. What do those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT
> checkpoints? Can you just use that system?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>
>
>
> Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self
> checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the
> load with the office.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale
> house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or
> other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number
> using the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a
> problem. Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it
> etc. I like the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor
> is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code
> link to the official ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big
> enough monitor so the driver can take the picture right from the cab.
> Wondering if the electronic log systems could not have a camera installed
> to take the picture or scan the QR code and have it automatically entered
> in to their logs. The same camera could be used and left running as a dash
> cam as well in case there are ever any accidents.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>
>
>
> I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have
> it translate to a URL with the PDF?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
> current system?
>
>
>
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
> in.
>
>
>
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>
>
>
> They think that is too much effort
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
>
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
>
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Brian Webster]

Problem with an app is that you have to get everyone with scales to connect 
etc. I can imagine a lot of places with scales don’t have an internet 
connection.

 

Wondering if something like an RFID system couldn’t be set up. Data written to 
the tag, law enforcement needs to know the info they can just scan it. What do 
those in cab systems do that you see in the DOT checkpoints? Can you just use 
that system?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self 
checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the 
load with the office.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:



Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale house 
can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or other mms 
content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number using the 
intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a problem. Drivers 
won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it etc. I like the 
taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor is displaying a QR 
code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code link to the official 
ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big enough monitor so the driver 
can take the picture right from the cab. Wondering if the electronic log 
systems could not have a camera installed to take the picture or scan the QR 
code and have it automatically entered in to their logs. The same camera could 
be used and left running as a dash cam as well in case there are ever any 
accidents.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it 
translate to a URL with the PDF?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

Sent from my iPhone






On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the current 
system?

 

Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.

 

Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

They think that is too much effort 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp

 

On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
software.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

Great ideas from everyone.  I am leaning more towards an app.  Like self 
checkout.  Hit the button, select the type of material and it registers the 
load with the office.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 8:13 AM, Brian Webster  wrote:
> 
> 
> Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale 
> house can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or 
> other mms content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number 
> using the intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a 
> problem. Drivers won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it 
> etc. I like the taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor 
> is displaying a QR code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code 
> link to the official ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big 
> enough monitor so the driver can take the picture right from the cab. 
> Wondering if the electronic log systems could not have a camera installed to 
> take the picture or scan the QR code and have it automatically entered in to 
> their logs. The same camera could be used and left running as a dash cam as 
> well in case there are ever any accidents.
>  
> Thank you,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>  
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it 
> translate to a URL with the PDF?
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
> wrote:
> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 
>  
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
> current system?
>  
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>  
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
> suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> They think that is too much effort 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
> good to have one.
>  
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>  
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
> software. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Brian Webster]

Google Voice lets you text from your account using the web browser. Scale house 
can set up a free Google Voice account. You can text with pictures or other mms 
content. Could the scale operator just ask for the phone number using the 
intercom, type it in and hit send? Bluetooth is going to be a problem. Drivers 
won’t have it turned on, crappy phones won’t connect to it etc. I like the 
taking the picture of the monitor especially if the monitor is displaying a QR 
code. Weight would be there, truck number and a QR code link to the official 
ticket record if they really need it. Put up a big enough monitor so the driver 
can take the picture right from the cab. Wondering if the electronic log 
systems could not have a camera installed to take the picture or scan the QR 
code and have it automatically entered in to their logs. The same camera could 
be used and left running as a dash cam as well in case there are ever any 
accidents.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have it 
translate to a URL with the PDF?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket 

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the current 
system?

 

Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.

 

Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

 

They think that is too much effort 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.

bp

 

On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.

 

But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone.  

 

Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
software.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe since George made the same commute every day he could file one 
recurring flight plan for the whole year.


On 3/26/2020 10:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


They never mentioned this on The Jetsons.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look 
cooler and burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a 
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file 
flight plans.


On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no
cutting in line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the
spot, nanotech installs

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially
for trees near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those
really tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or
poplar or something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per
year.  The trees had grown to be taller than the house, and
they took 2 of them out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine
when the wind was from the north, but with a strong wind from
the south, the link would completely drop.  She wouldn’t
believe me the trees were bending in the wind, until I had a
tech climb up on the second story roof and plug a little
amplified speaker into the tone alignment port of the Cambium
SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth and listen
to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind blew
hard enough.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in
30 seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a
logical explanation to where it worked and where it
didn't.  I also believe cnHeat is basically looking for
LOS, and if you asked it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the
LIDAR data would have to distinguish maples from pines
from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and
3.5 GHz was supported.  900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the
next guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something
arranged. You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp
in the same boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the
price being too high. But the other part where they help
identify best locations to cover from may be worth it.
Less towers and more coverage is always good. Planting
people seeds would be good too. But they're hard to keep
watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> 

Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Nate Burke]

The cheaper solution to CNHeat which works really well for us is 
Pictures from the AP location.  Spend a couple Hundred dollars on a real 
camera with good zoom.  Send a guy to the AP location on a clear day and 
have him take a panorama of pictures with the max zoom of the camera.  
Unless you're regularly doing 10+ mile connections, you will know with 
99% accuracy if you can get a connection or not. Will also give you a 
gauge for tree growth.  'I can see the house over that 100 year forest, 
they're not going to grow anymore' or 'I can see the house over that 2 
year old maple, which will be growing 15' next year'  I take a call from 
a customer, pull up the pictures, and can either see their house or not, 
even tell them where on the roof it will need to be installed all while 
I'm on the phone with them.


I'm not denying that CNHeat is a cool product, but their pricing makes 
it impossible for us to use.  We have many small sites, And I know that 
if we didn't do it on every site, 98% of the calls would be from sites 
we didn't have in CNHeat.


We also don't do any NLOS connections, so maybe you would need it to 
calculate that.


On 3/26/2020 8:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:


We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look 
cooler and burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a 
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file 
flight plans.



On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no 
cutting in line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the 
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the 
spot, nanotech installs


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially
for trees near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them
out with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind was from
the north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't.  I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported.  900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something 

Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Adam Moffett]

We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look 
cooler and burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a 
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file 
flight plans.



On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting 
in line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the 
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, 
nanotech installs


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for
trees near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out
with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind was from the
north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't.  I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported.  900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged.
You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same
boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too
high. But the other part where they help identify best
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more
coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good
too. But they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of
per site
>>>     does not work for us.  We have to have many small
sites because of
>>>     hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if
you had a few
>>>     mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>>     *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>>     *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>>     much much more 

Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

[Adam Moffett]

We've had flying cars for a long time, but we call them helicopters.  
You could make it thing powered by ducted jets and it'll just look 
cooler and burn way more fuel.  The bigger problem isn't building a 
flying car, it's that the driver needs to be a licensed pilot and file 
flight plans.



On 3/25/2020 9:10 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Hey, I asked first for RF goggles and an R2D2 tower monkey, no cutting 
in line.  Oh, and where’s my flying car?


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:04 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

I'd hope we go onsite. Id pay slot more for cnheat if it did the 
installs too. Like shoots a rocket from cambium hq, lands on the spot, 
nanotech installs


On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 3:39 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Of course that 5x5 patch has to be verified onsite, especially for
trees near the site.  Stupid trees grow, or blow in the wind.

I had a customer once with a windbreak of whatever those really
tall skinny trees are, not the evergreens, some kind or poplar or
something that grows 5-10 feet per in height per year.  The trees
had grown to be taller than the house, and they took 2 of them out
with a chainsaw.  Everything was fine when the wind was from the
north, but with a strong wind from the south, the link would
completely drop.  She wouldn’t believe me the trees were bending
in the wind, until I had a tech climb up on the second story roof
and plug a little amplified speaker into the tone alignment port
of the Cambium SM.  You could watch the trees sway back and forth
and listen to the tone rise and fall, and drop out when the wind
blew hard enough.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

that would be a discussion to have with them.

LOS is the gold standard, and finding a 5x5 patch with it in 30
seconds is amazing. We are 99.9% on pulling the trigger

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:53 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

900 is magic not science.  I never felt there was a logical
explanation to where it worked and where it didn't.  I also
believe cnHeat is basically looking for LOS, and if you asked
it to evaluate NLOS paths, now the LIDAR data would have to
distinguish maples from pines from buildings.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat

Thanks. I'm watching an old webinar where only 5GHz and 3.5
GHz was supported.  900 was on the road map.

Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
> At least 900, 2.4, 3.5, and 5
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com 
>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 12:18 PM, Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
wrote:
>>
>> What frequencies does it support?
>>
>> ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> How do they charge for it?  Can you do work for the next
guy over?
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>> I would bet they would be able to get something arranged.
You never know if you don't ask. I know one isp in the same
boat, 150 towers, lots of hills, I can see the price being too
high. But the other part where they help identify best
locations to cover from may be worth it. Less towers and more
coverage is always good. Planting people seeds would be good
too. But they're hard to keep watered.
>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020, 6:50 PM SmarterBroadband
mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I would love to give it a go. But the pricing model of
per site
>>>     does not work for us.  We have to have many small
sites because of
>>>     hills and trees , over 90 currently.   I can see if
you had a few
>>>     mega sites it could make sense.
>>>
>>>     *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:15 AM
>>>     *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CNHeat
>>>
>>>     much much more 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 platform and firmware 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 frame utilazation issues.

[Matt]

Does 16.2 have this bug?

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 8:07 PM Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
>
> Just figured I would throw this on the list its already on the forums but it 
> cost me the better part of the day so here ya go.
>
> There is a bug in the 16.1.1 and 16.1.1.1 firmware that causes the frame 
> utilization to peg at or close to 100%.
>
> 16.1 works fine.
>
>
>
> Brandon
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Josh Luthman]

I like Carls idea the best - any modern phone will read the QR code.  Have
it translate to a URL with the PDF?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:44 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
>> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
>> current system?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
>> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
>> in.
>>
>>
>>
>> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
>> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>>
>>
>>
>> They think that is too much effort
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
>> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
>> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
>> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
>> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
>> it is good to have one.
>>
>>
>>
>> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like
>> to make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.
>> The UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
>> software.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Carl Peterson]

Have them scan a QR code that brings up their ticket

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020, 5:28 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the
> problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the
> current system?
>
>
>
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old
> slips.  Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips
> in.
>
>
>
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if
> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>
>
>
> They think that is too much effort
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load
> in all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much
> setup it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if
> they have a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their
> weight questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket
> it is good to have one.
>
>
>
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone.
>
>
>
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing
> software.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

That would be perfect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Timothy Steele  wrote:
> 
> 
> Why not an NFC setup?
> 
> Have then attache an NFC button to their cell phone case
> 
> have that NFC programmed to transfer Truck info on tap
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 11:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
>> current system?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
>> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if 
>> you suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> They think that is too much effort 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
>> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
>> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
>> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
>> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
>> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
>> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
>> good to have one.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
>> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
>> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
>> software. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[Chuck McCown]

Getting out of the truck to go into the scale shack is a big part of the 
problem.  And having a bunch of sheets of paper in the cab is a problem too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 9:09 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Seems like we’re overthinking it.  What exactly is the problem with the 
> current system?
>  
> Is it the wasted paper?  I think someone suggested recycling the old slips.  
> Maybe they just need a bin for the drivers to throw the old slips in.
>  
> Look how hard it is to get doctors and lawyers to stop using FAX.  And if you 
> suggest eFAX, it’s like you farted in church.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:33 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone
>  
> They think that is too much effort 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they 
> email the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in 
> all the different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using 
> bluetooth or something to just display the scale info without too much setup 
> it could work.  If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have 
> a scale ticket that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight 
> questioned.  So while not a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is 
> good to have one.
>  
> But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to 
> make it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The 
> UHP said they would be fine with something on the phone. 
>  
> Gotta make it easy to integrate with their front office scale ticketing 
> software. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

[fiberrun]

Have the driver text the scale after they have been weighed. The scale texts 
back the scale ticket.

Jared
 

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT print to a phone

They think that is too much effort 
 
Sent from my iPhone
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 

If they could print a PDF, they could text it to you.
bp



On 3/25/2020 3:25 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com] wrote:

I am trying to get a local rock quarry to go paperless.  I suggested they email 
the scale ticket to the driver.  They don’t want to attempt to load in all the 
different drivers’ cell phone numbers.  If there is a way using bluetooth or 
something to just display the scale info without too much setup it could work.  
If a driver gets stopped by the highway patrol, if they have a scale ticket 
that is fairly fresh they will not have their weight questioned.  So while not 
a legal requirement to have a scale ticket it is good to have one.
 
But if you are making lots of trips each day the papers build up.  Like to make 
it easy to just zap the info to something on the drivers’ phone.  The UHP said 
they would be fine with something on the phone. 
 
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