[AFMUG] CBRS LTE options

[Jason McKemie]

What are some decent options for LTE other than Baicells?  I see that
Baltic is carrying Airspan LTE as well as Blinq (which I'm unfamiliar
with).  Are there any other options that aren't outrageously expensive I
should check out?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Ken Hohhof]

Agreed.  And I think actual power consumption is closer to 65 or 70W.  Maybe 
the 80W number is at startup or extremes of temperature or something.

 

I have 2 of them on one tower and 1 on another powered via POE over cables 
right at the 100 meter limit, so >300 feet.  So they are powered over 4 x 24AWG 
wires in parallel.  2 in parallel is equivalent to 3 wire gauges, 4 in parallel 
is equivalent to 6 wire gauges.  So 4 x 24 AWG is equivalent to 1 x 18 AWG.  So 
nothing even close to 12 AWG much less 8 AWG is needed.

 

Oh, and spec sheet says input voltage range is 40-60 volts.

 

3 GHz version is a beast and the power consumption scares me.  That’s a lot of 
batteries.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 7:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

 

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

 

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is 
about 1.6A @ 48V.

 

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in 54.5V at 
the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V according to the 
spec sheet.

 

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine 
using 12AWG @ 250ft.  

 

What am I missing? 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something 
equivalent.
 If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc jacket 
or better for outdoor operation. 
We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid cable 
that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250' 
We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated  
We also use Duracomms  
https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
Note we use the 50Amp version of this. 
Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast need 
lol.
We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded 
pairs up the tower for power. 
Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff. 




On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:

I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated 
cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber count, 
connector type and lengths you would want... 

 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

[Steve Jones]

Yeah, that contaminates all sorts of things. Google is aggressive on
syncing stuff you don't intend to. At one point my remembered stuff had
half our customers in it and I had to wipe all of it

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 8:33 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

> Is it possible that you were logged in to more than one Chrome browser on
> more than one computer? If you are logged in and synced across more than
> one computer in Chrome, it is possible someone else used one of the other
> computers and that log in user name synced across browsers (including
> phones).
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd
>
>
>
> Not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 4:45 PM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

[Brian Webster]

Is it possible that you were logged in to more than one Chrome browser on more 
than one computer? If you are logged in and synced across more than one 
computer in Chrome, it is possible someone else used one of the other computers 
and that log in user name synced across browsers (including phones).

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

 

Not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 4:45 PM  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Jason McKemie]

Mimosa supports it.

On Tuesday, March 31, 2020, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
>
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

[Jaime Solorza]

Not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens

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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Up Tower

[Josh Baird]

I'm not following these requirements for the 450M.

The 450M @ 5ghz uses ~80W peak (if you aren't using the AUX port).  This is
about 1.6A @ 48V.

12AWG cable with 56V at 250ft has a voltage drop of ~2.8% resulting in
54.5V at the top of the tower.  The 450M should run just fine at 54.5V
according to the spec sheet.

Obviously, the 3ghz 450M requires much more power, but still should be fine
using 12AWG @ 250ft.

What am I missing?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:24 PM dave via AF  wrote:

> That may work for most radios limited by 4 possibly 6 450i or something
> equivalent.
>  If running medusa 3.65 and 5.7 radios youll need #8 min by 2 pair pvc
> jacket or better for outdoor operation.
> We have a few like this and learned the hard way even with #10 hybrid
> cable that would not fly due to the loss in the wire at 250'
> We use Tactical SM fiber LC-LC pre-terminated
> We also use Duracomms
> https://duracomm.com/product-category/rack-mount-power-supplies/centri-series-he1u-mu/
> Note we use the 50Amp version of this.
> Youll need most of it to get to the top to sustain that 48vDC those beast
> need lol.
> We now have our 3rd site up with Fiber going to everything and #8 stranded
> pairs up the tower for power.
> Also, be sure and add in the surge stuff.
>
>
> On 3/30/20 4:46 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> I've been thinking of offering hybrid fiber / 12 awg copper pre-terminated
> cables... if anyone has a desire for such a thing, let me know the fiber
> count, connector type and lengths you would want...
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:35 PM Matt  wrote:
>
>> What is everyone using for fiber up tower? What using for connectors?
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[AFMUG] OT - learning to dog

[Ken Hohhof]

So do we like bark at other dogs, or just like people walking by?  And how
long do you do this, do you do this all day?

 

https://www.dailydot.com/unclick/learning-to-dog-quarantine-tiktok/

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@briannastorey

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Ken Hohhof]

Didn’t Mythbusters build an air gun to fire a ping pong ball at supersonic 
speed?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

The well watch sounds like a sudden puff of air. You drop a tube from the unit 
into the inside of the pipe fitting. From the outside it sounds like a little 
pop ... pop ... pop.

 

bp

 

On 4/2/2020 3:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

It will be interesting to see what the well sounding units use for a ping.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:10 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

Submarine sonar ping? 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Polyethylene has a sound velocity of propagation of a shear wave about 4x the 
speed of sound in air.  So we have to be careful not to couple any of the 
strike into the actual pipe itself.  That was a surprising discovery.  

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 3:28 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a starter 
and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate waveguide 
to interface with conduit.  

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

I hear it hurts.  

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

Yeahminiature thunder.

On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were using 
focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the technical term 
is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they used a high voltage 
spark for the sound source.

 

High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not work, 
but still sounds like fun.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

What's this for anyway? 

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you wanted.but 
what is the purpose?

I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

-Adam

 

On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike the 
rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a quest 
for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

 

I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when I 
get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  

 






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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

[TJ Trout]

Next time use Gmail.com 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 3:48 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

>
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>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:45 PM  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Odd

[Colin Stanners]

https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/cvzdm9/strange_behavior_from_google_login/

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The well watch sounds like a sudden puff of air. You drop a tube
  from the unit into the inside of the pipe fitting. From the
  outside it sounds like a little pop ... pop ... pop.


bp



On 4/2/2020 3:21 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  It will be interesting to see what the well sounding
units use for a ping.  
  

   
  
From: Cameron
Crum 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
  

 
  
  
Submarine sonar ping?
   

 

  On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at
4:51 PM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Polyethylene has a sound velocity of
propagation of a shear wave about 4x the speed
of sound in air.  So we have to be careful not
to couple any of the strike into the actual pipe
itself.  That was a surprising discovery.  
  

   
  
From: Carl Peterson

Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020
  3:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm
Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project
  update
  

 
  
  

  I would think you would want a
strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a
starter and using that to strike a metal
disk.  Disc would need appropriate waveguide
to interface with conduit.  
   
  
On Thu,
  Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM 
  wrote:


  

  
I hear it hurts.  

  
 

  From: Adam
  Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday,
April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT Project update

  
   


  Yeahminiature thunder.
  
  On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  I vaguely
remember something from
about 30 years ago, where
they were using focused
ultrasound to break up
kidney stones.  It looks
like the technical term is
focused ultrasound
lithotripsy.  My
recollection is they used a
high voltage spark for the
sound source.
   
  High
voltage spark sounds like it
would be in your
wheelhouse.  Might not work,
  

[AFMUG] OT Odd

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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Robert]

How would VOIP prove that he is at home?   Seems like the easiest way to 
get around that...


On 4/2/20 3:35 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
How do they know that his number proves he's at home?  Or does the 
agency he's calling have some way to look it up from the telco?


On 4/2/2020 5:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Well, a kind deed is a kind deed...
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:23 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only 
needs it to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline� 
because they won’t accept geolocation from his cellphone.


Should I worry about why someone needs to call in once per day to 
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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Nate Burke]

How do they know that his number proves he's at home?  Or does the 
agency he's calling have some way to look it up from the telco?


On 4/2/2020 5:32 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Well, a kind deed is a kind deed...
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:23 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only 
needs it to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline� 
because they won’t accept geolocation from his cellphone.


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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/2/20 3:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only needs 
it to make one call per day and it has to be a “landline” because they 
won’t accept geolocation from his cellphone.


Should I worry about why someone needs to call in once per day to prove 
he’s at home?






Parole requirement or house arrest would be my first guess.

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Re: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[chuck]

Well, a kind deed is a kind deed...


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:23 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] needs landline once per day

Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only needs it to 
make one call per day and it has to be a “landline” because they won’t accept 
geolocation from his cellphone.

 

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[AFMUG] needs landline once per day

[Ken Hohhof]

Longtime customer called to get VoIP phone service.  Says he only needs it
to make one call per day and it has to be a "landline" because they won't
accept geolocation from his cellphone.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

It will be interesting to see what the well sounding units use for a ping.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

Submarine sonar ping? 


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

  Polyethylene has a sound velocity of propagation of a shear wave about 4x the 
speed of sound in air.  So we have to be careful not to couple any of the 
strike into the actual pipe itself.  That was a surprising discovery.  

  From: Carl Peterson 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 3:28 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

  I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a 
starter and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate 
waveguide to interface with conduit.  

  On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM  wrote:

I hear it hurts.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

Yeahminiature thunder.


On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were 
using focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the 
technical term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they used 
a high voltage spark for the sound source.



  High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not 
work, but still sounds like fun.





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update



  What's this for anyway? 

  Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you 
wanted.but what is the purpose?

  I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

  -Adam



  On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to 
strike the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on 
a quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  



I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens 
when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  






   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Cameron Crum]

Submarine sonar ping?


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

> Polyethylene has a sound velocity of propagation of a shear wave about 4x
> the speed of sound in air.  So we have to be careful not to couple any of
> the strike into the actual pipe itself.  That was a surprising discovery.
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 3:28 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>
> I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a
> starter and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate
> waveguide to interface with conduit.
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM  wrote:
>
>> I hear it hurts.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>>
>>
>> Yeahminiature thunder.
>> On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were
>> using focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the
>> technical term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they
>> used a high voltage spark for the sound source.
>>
>>
>>
>> High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not
>> work, but still sounds like fun.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>>
>>
>>
>> What's this for anyway?
>>
>> Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you
>> wanted.but what is the purpose?
>>
>> I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly
>> expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there
>> would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If
>> that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see
>> how you would avoid the echoes.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to
>> strike the rim at all.
>>
>> But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
>>
>> Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have
>> discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
>>
>> So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a
>> quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.
>>
>> Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens
>> when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

Polyethylene has a sound velocity of propagation of a shear wave about 4x the 
speed of sound in air.  So we have to be careful not to couple any of the 
strike into the actual pipe itself.  That was a surprising discovery.  

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 3:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a starter 
and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate waveguide 
to interface with conduit.  

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM  wrote:

  I hear it hurts.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

  Yeahminiature thunder.


  On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were using 
focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the technical term 
is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they used a high voltage 
spark for the sound source.



High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not 
work, but still sounds like fun.





From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update



What's this for anyway? 

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you 
wanted.but what is the purpose?

I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

-Adam



On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to 
strike the rim at all.

  But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

  Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

  So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a 
quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  

  Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  



  I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens 
when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  






 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Gino A. Villarini]

The propposal would take some time to be in effect, I guessing 18-24 months… so 
don’t be so quick with the trigger


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From: AF  on behalf of Dev 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, April 2, 2020 at 5:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

This is for the proposed 1200 MHz FCC Chair Pai is pushing for in 6Ghz, so 
higher than 5.9, wouldn’t the antenna need to change for best transmission 
characteristics the further it pushes into 6, or will propagation models still 
be good with existing gear?


On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> 
wrote:

cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a few 
weeks? ugh.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev 
mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com>> wrote:
Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be needed. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Carl Peterson]

I would think you would want a strike.  Like taking the solenoid from a
starter and using that to strike a metal disk.  Disc would need appropriate
waveguide to interface with conduit.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 3:35 PM  wrote:

> I hear it hurts.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>
>
> Yeahminiature thunder.
> On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were
> using focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the
> technical term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they
> used a high voltage spark for the sound source.
>
>
>
> High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not
> work, but still sounds like fun.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update
>
>
>
> What's this for anyway?
>
> Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you
> wanted.but what is the purpose?
>
> I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly
> expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there
> would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If
> that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see
> how you would avoid the echoes.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike
> the rim at all.
>
> But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
>
> Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have
> discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
>
> So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a
> quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.
>
> Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.
>
>
>
> I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when
> I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Ken Hohhof]

Each frequency band is different hardware for licensed radios.  So 6 GHz is 
totally different from 11 GHz, etc.

 

A split architecture radio might have a common modem, but the ODU will be 
different.  The modem is probably operating at some baseband or IF frequency.  
But for all-outdoor licensed radios, it’s not just an antenna change.  And 
different sub bands might require different diplexers.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 4:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

 

I notice other licensed backhaul vendor radios are available in wide ranges of 
frequencies, like the Cambium PTP 820C in 6-38GHz range, do they just swap 
external antennas for best propagation characteristics, or do they also swap RF 
sections of the radios themselves? 

 

I guess the question really is how fast they could tool up, which related to 
how expensive that would be for them. What all has to change to make 6Ghz 
unlicensed work?





On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

 

Don’t confuse the 5850-5895 which is available now with a STA with the 6Ghz 
proposal that covers 6 to just over 7Ghz.  

 

The Cambium (and likely Ubiquiti) UNI-III 5.8 equipment will work in the STA 
frequencies.

 

The 6Ghz proposal is well outside of the design frequencies for the UNI-III 
band and will likely require different hardware.

 

Mark





On Apr 2, 2020, at 4:55 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> 
> wrote:

 

cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a few 
weeks? ugh.

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> > wrote:

Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be needed. 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Dev]

I notice other licensed backhaul vendor radios are available in wide ranges of 
frequencies, like the Cambium PTP 820C in 6-38GHz range, do they just swap 
external antennas for best propagation characteristics, or do they also swap RF 
sections of the radios themselves? 

I guess the question really is how fast they could tool up, which related to 
how expensive that would be for them. What all has to change to make 6Ghz 
unlicensed work?

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Don’t confuse the 5850-5895 which is available now with a STA with the 6Ghz 
> proposal that covers 6 to just over 7Ghz.  
> 
> The Cambium (and likely Ubiquiti) UNI-III 5.8 equipment will work in the STA 
> frequencies.
> 
> The 6Ghz proposal is well outside of the design frequencies for the UNI-III 
> band and will likely require different hardware.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2020, at 4:55 PM, TJ Trout > > wrote:
>> 
>> cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a 
>> few weeks? ugh.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev > > wrote:
>> Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
>> opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be 
>> needed. Question from Congress critter.
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Dev]

This is for the proposed 1200 MHz FCC Chair Pai is pushing for in 6Ghz, so 
higher than 5.9, wouldn’t the antenna need to change for best transmission 
characteristics the further it pushes into 6, or will propagation models still 
be good with existing gear?

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 1:55 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a 
> few weeks? ugh.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev  > wrote:
> Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
> opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Don’t confuse the 5850-5895 which is available now with a STA with the 6Ghz 
proposal that covers 6 to just over 7Ghz.  

The Cambium (and likely Ubiquiti) UNI-III 5.8 equipment will work in the STA 
frequencies.

The 6Ghz proposal is well outside of the design frequencies for the UNI-III 
band and will likely require different hardware.

Mark

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 4:55 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a 
> few weeks? ugh.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev  > wrote:
> Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
> opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[TJ Trout]

cambium yes, ubnt yes but will they release a firmware update?? maybe in a
few weeks? ugh.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Dev  wrote:

> Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed
> band opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[chuck]

Ima gonna put up a fence between here and you...

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested 
positive for Covid-19.

He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also tested 
positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

 

So….. We are a bit freaked out.

 

Fortunately we haven’t had physical contact with them in weeks.

 

However I’ve noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, playing 
with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

 

We don’t let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
anyways, so I’m praying we don’t have it (yet).

 

On another note, I think our main field tech might have contracted it.

He’s not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.

 




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[AFMUG] 5.8 -> 6GHz equipment software upgrade only?

[Dev]

Will existing Cambium/UBNT 5.8GHz equipment work if the 6GHz unlicensed band 
opens up with a software upgrade in the field, or will new hardware be needed. 
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 5.9

[Sakid Ahmed via AF]

We do have the firmware available and will make it available as you receive 
your STA.

Thx
Sakid


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 10:27 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500 bucks?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned” 
channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we just 
reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we have to 
revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes back to 
normal levels.

-Sean


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be 60 
days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate channels 
that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move back into the 
5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think we’d be pretty 
interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to move back.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

If only someone knew the answers to these questions...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term capacity, 
but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity increases with 
little or no tower work.
I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote:
My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space.
Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, maybe 
someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?


On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:

Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
should this continue .

On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

Regards,

David Coudron



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

How permanent is this likely to be?
One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
much effort.
But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?

From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to increase 
bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

Adam

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[AFMUG] OT Covid Neighbor

[Sterling Jacobson]

I just found out this morning that my literal backyard neighbor has tested 
positive for Covid-19.
He and his wife tested positive, his parents who live the basement also tested 
positive, his mom of which is in the hospital.

So. We are a bit freaked out.

Fortunately we haven't had physical contact with them in weeks.

However I've noticed their kids were in the field, our shared backyard, playing 
with other neighbor kids within the past two weeks.

We don't let our boys anywhere near anyone else for about two weeks now 
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He's not feeling so well, we told him to go home for a couple of weeks.

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Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’ve got three in house, and was gearing up to connect some stuff across the 
city at 40Gbps.
But then Covid hit and it got stalled.

Then I made an engineering mistake on my network and accidentally mis-routed 
100’s of customers to nowhere this morning.
Now I’m in a corner crying.

I’ll get back to the project possibly later this week or next and let everyone 
know.

My setup was going to be the following:

40Gbps from Mellonox PCIe card on HyperV Win10 VM instance to the CRS to a 
QSPF+ card going through a CWDM side channel to another site miles away, 
connected to another CRS QSFP+ port/module finally to a QSFP+ card in my 
Speedtest.net server.

The goal was to push that speedtest.net bare metal server to go above 10Gbps on 
a speed test and see what happens.


From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 12:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm ??

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 11:13 AM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
Anyone try the new 2Q switches? I saw one with 8+ SFP+ ports and some QSFP+ 
Ports but it looks like they pulled it from its website.  Only the 48 port 
ethernet show now.

With that being said if they are dipping into 40G now,  how long before we see 
a new CCR with 40+?  Anyone have an inside scoop on whether a new CCR is coming?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

I hear it hurts.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

Yeahminiature thunder.


On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were using 
focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the technical term 
is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they used a high voltage 
spark for the sound source.

   

  High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not 
work, but still sounds like fun.

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

   

  What's this for anyway? 

  Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you wanted.but 
what is the purpose?

  I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

  -Adam

   

  On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike 
the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a 
quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

 

I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when 
I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  






   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

First I have to find the right energy to launch.  I bought one of those well 
sounding units Bill has to see how they are doing essentially the same thing.  
While I want distance, I also want to see the reflections etc.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:59 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

Ahso you want the echoes, but you don't want secondary sounds interfering 
with picking up the echoes.

Big tuning fork?  Let it ring for 100ms and then stop the vibration.  The sound 
travels 34m in that 100ms, so your dead zone is about 100 ft.  You can probe 
100ft with a rod though. 


Ohwhat about a "launch box"?  Get a 100ft of conduit bent into a coil and 
connect that to the pipe being tested.  Make it long enough that the secondary 
noises from your emission source are over before the first real reflection 
comes back.  


-Adam



On 4/2/2020 3:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Acoustical TDR for characterizing conduits.  Best to know what it looks like 
before you try to blow something through it.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:44 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

  What's this for anyway? 


  Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you wanted.but 
what is the purpose?

  I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

  -Adam



  On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike 
the rim at all.
But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a 
quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  
Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when 
I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Adam Moffett]

Yeahminiature thunder.

On 4/2/2020 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were 
using focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the 
technical term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is 
they used a high voltage spark for the sound source.


High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might 
not work, but still sounds like fun.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

What's this for anyway?

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you 
wanted.but what is the purpose?


I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really 
rapidly expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense 
that there would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary 
noises.  If that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue 
too? I don't see how you would avoid the echoes.


-Adam

On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem
to strike the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I
have discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway
but on a quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.

I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what
happens when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor
discharge.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Ken Hohhof]

I vaguely remember something from about 30 years ago, where they were using
focused ultrasound to break up kidney stones.  It looks like the technical
term is focused ultrasound lithotripsy.  My recollection is they used a high
voltage spark for the sound source.

 

High voltage spark sounds like it would be in your wheelhouse.  Might not
work, but still sounds like fun.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:45 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

 

What's this for anyway? 

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you wanted.but
what is the purpose?

I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there
would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If
that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see
how you would avoid the echoes.

-Adam

 

On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike
the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.

Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.

So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a
quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

 

I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when I
get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Adam Moffett]

Ahso you /want/ the echoes, but you don't want secondary sounds 
interfering with picking up the echoes.


Big tuning fork?  Let it ring for 100ms and then stop the vibration.  
The sound travels 34m in that 100ms, so your dead zone is about 100 ft.  
You can probe 100ft with a rod though.


Ohwhat about a "launch box"?  Get a 100ft of conduit bent into a 
coil and connect that to the pipe being tested.  Make it long enough 
that the secondary noises from your emission source are over before the 
first real reflection comes back.


-Adam


On 4/2/2020 3:52 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Acoustical TDR for characterizing conduits.  Best to know what it 
looks like before you try to blow something through it.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:44 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

What's this for anyway?

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you 
wanted.but what is the purpose?


I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really 
rapidly expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense 
that there would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary 
noises.  If that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue 
too? I don't see how you would avoid the echoes.


-Adam

On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to 
strike the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but 
on a quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.
I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens 
when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

Acoustical TDR for characterizing conduits.  Best to know what it looks like 
before you try to blow something through it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

What's this for anyway? 


Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you wanted.but 
what is the purpose?

I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there would 
be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If that's an 
issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't see how you would 
avoid the echoes.

-Adam



On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike 
the rim at all.
  But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
  Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
  So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a 
quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  
  Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

  I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens when I 
get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Project update

[Adam Moffett]

What's this for anyway?

Big sharp noise through a pipe is what I believe you said you 
wanted.but what is the purpose?


I suppose a gunshot sounds sharp in human terms, but it's really rapidly 
expanding gasses being released.  In hindsight it makes sense that there 
would be an initial burst followed by diminishing secondary noises.  If 
that's an issue, then aren't echoes in the pipe an issue too? I don't 
see how you would avoid the echoes.


-Adam


On 4/2/2020 3:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to 
strike the rim at all.

But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but 
on a quest for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.

Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.
I have a high power speaker driver coming.  Going to see what happens 
when I get close to blowing it out with a capacitor discharge.


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[AFMUG] Fw: OT Project update

[chuck]

Gunshots:


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 1:37 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: OT Project update

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike the 
rim at all.
But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a quest 
for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  
Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

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[AFMUG] OT Project update

[chuck]

Walther handgun will not fire power hammer loads.  Does not seem to strike the 
rim at all.
But a 1908 Savage rifle will.
Seems gunshots are not a sharp impulse.  Just a burst of noise I have 
discovered.  No where near a perfect impulse.
So having fun and probably scaring people driving up the highway but on a quest 
for a high quality shock wave/sound impulse.  
Recording engineers use balloons and clappers.  

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Nate Burke]

If you are using the QOS in the AP, I think the linktest will only use 
what is not already consumed by the SM.  It's not intrusive like the 
FSK/450 test was.


On an SM with no other traffic, I always see the linktest to be what the 
QOS is set to.


I have just started upgrading sites to 4.4.3, and have some EPMP3000 
AP's out there.  Randomly now, I will have an sm return 'linktest 
failed' when testing an EPMP1000SM to and EPMP3000 AP.   Then the next 
text will work fine.


On 4/2/2020 1:53 PM, Eric Muehleisen wrote:
This has not been our experience. We do not rate-limit at the SM. We 
primarily rate-limit PPPoE at the core. We've found that our speedtest 
are usually 10-15% below the linktest results.


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:30 PM Steven Kenney > wrote:


No example we'll get link tests at 80Mbps or higher and then their
package is set to 25Mbps.  We can see they are doing 20Mbps during
the evenings etc.  But when we go do a speed test anywhere it'll
be 8 no matter what.

I've confirmed the shaping of their connection is set to 100% to
be sure.

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WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:23:59 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

Linktest you mean?  I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity.
I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:

Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to
get their speed tests?  Even though their link tests are fine
and more than capable, and we see customers traffic going much
higher than the speed tests!  It won't matter where we run the
speed tests,  they are always low.

It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios.  Not all. 
Mainly on 4.4.3 firmware.


We have been scratching our heads on this one.

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Eric Muehleisen]

This has not been our experience. We do not rate-limit at the SM. We
primarily rate-limit PPPoE at the core. We've found that our speedtest are
usually 10-15% below the linktest results.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 1:30 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> No example we'll get link tests at 80Mbps or higher and then their package
> is set to 25Mbps.  We can see they are doing 20Mbps during the evenings
> etc.  But when we go do a speed test anywhere it'll be 8 no matter what.
>
> I've confirmed the shaping of their connection is set to 100% to be sure.
>
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:23:59 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests
>
> Linktest you mean?  I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity.
> I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their
>> speed tests?  Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable,
>> and we see customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests!  It
>> won't matter where we run the speed tests,  they are always low.
>>
>> It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios.  Not all.  Mainly on 4.4.3
>> firmware.
>>
>> We have been scratching our heads on this one.
>>
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>> http://www.wavedirect.net
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Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

[TJ Trout]

https://mikrotik.com/product/crs326_24s_2q_rm ??

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 11:13 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Anyone try the new 2Q switches? I saw one with 8+ SFP+ ports and some
> QSFP+ Ports but it looks like they pulled it from its website.  Only the 48
> port ethernet show now.
>
> With that being said if they are dipping into 40G now,  how long before we
> see a new CCR with 40+?  Anyone have an inside scoop on whether a new CCR
> is coming?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

[TJ Trout]

https://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3=158149

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 11:13 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Anyone try the new 2Q switches? I saw one with 8+ SFP+ ports and some
> QSFP+ Ports but it looks like they pulled it from its website.  Only the 48
> port ethernet show now.
>
> With that being said if they are dipping into 40G now,  how long before we
> see a new CCR with 40+?  Anyone have an inside scoop on whether a new CCR
> is coming?
>
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> Network Operations Manager
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Steven Kenney]

No example we'll get link tests at 80Mbps or higher and then their package is 
set to 25Mbps. We can see they are doing 20Mbps during the evenings etc. But 
when we go do a speed test anywhere it'll be 8 no matter what. 

I've confirmed the shaping of their connection is set to 100% to be sure. 

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(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2020 2:23:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests 

Linktest you mean? I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity. 
I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their speed 
tests? Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable, and we see 
customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests! It won't matter where 
we run the speed tests, they are always low. 

It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios. Not all. Mainly on 4.4.3 
firmware. 

We have been scratching our heads on this one. 

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Josh Luthman]

Linktest you mean?  I've found it's 10% within TCP/UDP capacity.

I'm exclusively 3.5.6 on epmp1000/2000 - no 4.x yet

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:07 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their
> speed tests?  Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable,
> and we see customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests!  It
> won't matter where we run the speed tests,  they are always low.
>
> It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios.  Not all.  Mainly on 4.4.3
> firmware.
>
> We have been scratching our heads on this one.
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[AFMUG] 40Gbps+ Mikrotiks

[Steven Kenney]

Anyone try the new 2Q switches? I saw one with 8+ SFP+ ports and some QSFP+ 
Ports but it looks like they pulled it from its website. Only the 48 port 
ethernet show now. 

With that being said if they are dipping into 40G now, how long before we see a 
new CCR with 40+? Anyone have an inside scoop on whether a new CCR is coming? 

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[AFMUG] ePMP Speed Tests

[Steven Kenney]

Anyone have issues with certain model ePMP's not being able to get their speed 
tests? Even though their link tests are fine and more than capable, and we see 
customers traffic going much higher than the speed tests! It won't matter where 
we run the speed tests, they are always low. 

It only seems to be a handful of epmp radios. Not all. Mainly on 4.4.3 
firmware. 

We have been scratching our heads on this one. 

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Mark Radabaugh]

I received an invoice from the FCC.  They were quick about that :-)

Of course it showed up from someone whom I have never heard of in a word doc 
that claimed I owed money.  I’ll admit my reply to that was a little on the 
rude side, but it was legit.

Mark

> On Apr 2, 2020, at 12:06 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> Not sure on turn around. I put an app in two days ago and have heard nothing
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 8:46 AM Peter Kranz via AF  > wrote:
> There is no filing fee for the form 601 emergency STA.
> 
>  
> 
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:43 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
> 
>  
> 
> Any idea on turnaround time to grant or cost?
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kurt Fankhauser  > wrote:
> 
> yes cambium said they had firmware for EPMP
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> 
> Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
> 
> How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500 
> bucks?
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett  > wrote:
> 
> We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned” 
> channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we 
> just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we 
> have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes 
> back to normal levels.
> 
>  
> 
> -Sean
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron  > wrote:
> 
> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be 60 
> days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate 
> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move 
> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think we’d 
> be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to move back.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> David Coudron
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
> 
>  
> 
> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
> 
>  
> 
> From: Mathew Howard
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
> 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
> 
>  
> 
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term 
> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity 
> increases with little or no tower work.
> 
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson  > wrote:
> 
> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
> original congested 5GHz space. 
> 
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, 
> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer 
> now?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
> should this continue .
> 
> 
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron  > wrote:
> 
> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> David Coudron
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
> 
>  
> 
> How permanent is this likely to be?
> 
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
> much effort.
> 
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?
> 
>  
> 
> From: SmarterBroadband
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
> 
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9
> 
>  
> 
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to 
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
> 
>  
> 
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
> 
>  
> 
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[TJ Trout]

Not sure on turn around. I put an app in two days ago and have heard nothing

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020, 8:46 AM Peter Kranz via AF  wrote:

> There is no filing fee for the form 601 emergency STA.
>
>
>
> Peter Kranz
> www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:43 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> Any idea on turnaround time to grant or cost?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> yes cambium said they had firmware for EPMP
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
>
> How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500
> bucks?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned”
> channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we
> just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we
> have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes
> back to normal levels.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be
> 60 days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate
> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move
> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think
> we’d be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to
> move back.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>
>
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
> increases with little or no tower work.
>
> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
> wrote:
>
> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the
> original congested 5GHz space.
>
> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days,
> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer
> now?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it
> should this continue .
>
>
> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have
> read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> How permanent is this likely to be?
>
> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
> without much effort.
>
> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
> them?
>
>
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>
>
>
> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>
>
>
> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Peter Kranz via AF]

There is no filing fee for the form 601 emergency STA.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2020 8:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

Any idea on turnaround time to grant or cost?

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

yes cambium said they had firmware for EPMP

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?

How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500 bucks?

 

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote:

We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned” 
channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we just 
reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we have to 
revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes back to 
normal levels.

 

-Sean

 

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be 60 
days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate channels 
that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move back into the 
5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think we’d be pretty 
interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to move back.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

If only someone knew the answers to these questions...

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term capacity, 
but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity increases with 
little or no tower work. 

I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson mailto:c...@infowest.com> > wrote:

My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the 
original congested 5GHz space.  

Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days, maybe 
someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer now?

 

 

On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

 

Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew it 
should this continue .


On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I have 
read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

How permanent is this likely to be?

One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software without 
much effort.

But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell them?

 

From: SmarterBroadband

Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

Subject: [AFMUG] 5.9

 

So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to increase 
bandwidth during the Covid crisis.

 

What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?

 

Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Steve Jones]

Any idea on turnaround time to grant or cost?

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 10:35 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> yes cambium said they had firmware for EPMP
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
>> How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500
>> bucks?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the
>>> “abandoned” channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to
>>> go back we just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By
>>> the time we have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth
>>> demand goes back to normal levels.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron <
>>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>>
 That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could
 be 60 days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate
 channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move
 back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think
 we’d be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to
 move back.



 Regards,



 David Coudron

 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9



 If only someone knew the answers to these
 questions...



 *From:* Mathew Howard

 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9



 I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
 capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
 increases with little or no tower work.

 I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...



 On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
 wrote:

 My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to
 the original congested 5GHz space.

 Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60
 days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s
 clearer now?





 On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:



 Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew
 it should this continue .


 On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron <
 david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:

 The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I
 have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.



 Regards,



 David Coudron







 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9



 How permanent is this likely to be?

 One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
 without much effort.

 But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
 them?



 *From:* SmarterBroadband

 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9



 So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
 increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.



 What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?



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[Kurt Fankhauser]

yes cambium said they had firmware for EPMP

On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
> How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500
> bucks?
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the
>> “abandoned” channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to
>> go back we just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By
>> the time we have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth
>> demand goes back to normal levels.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron <
>> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be
>>> 60 days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate
>>> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move
>>> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think
>>> we’d be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to
>>> move back.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If only someone knew the answers to these
>>> questions...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
>>> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
>>> increases with little or no tower work.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to
>>> the original congested 5GHz space.
>>>
>>> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60
>>> days, maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s
>>> clearer now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew
>>> it should this continue .
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I
>>> have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How permanent is this likely to be?
>>>
>>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
>>> without much effort.
>>>
>>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
>>> them?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
>>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9

[Steve Jones]

Is this a firmware option on EPMP does anyone know?
How much is the filing fee for this? are we looking at 200 bucks or 2500
bucks?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:30 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We are moving a couple APs to this new band and then using the “abandoned”
> channel to widen other APs to 30 or 40mhz.  If/when we need to go back we
> just reverse the process, it’s all just software changes.  By the time we
> have to revert I’d hope everyone is back at work and bandwidth demand goes
> back to normal levels.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:12 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
>> That is why we haven’t pursued it.   Making the change for what could be
>> 60 days only doesn’t seem worth the hassle.   Especially when you vacate
>> channels that are working for you now.  If it is likely we’ll have to move
>> back into the 5 GHz normal channels, we dare not vacate them.   I think
>> we’d be pretty interested if there was a good chance we wouldn’t have to
>> move back.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:00 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>>
>>
>> If only someone knew the answers to these questions...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:44 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>>
>>
>> I would think you'd still want to work on other options for long term
>> capacity, but it would certainly be nice way to get some quick capacity
>> increases with little or no tower work.
>>
>> I'm wondering how hard it is to get in on this...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 2:19 PM Cassidy B. Larson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> My concern is after the 60 days, I have to move all those APs back to the
>> original congested 5GHz space.
>>
>> Is it worth it the time/trouble?  If I move off of a channel for 60 days,
>> maybe someone else in the vicinity might start using it since it’s clearer
>> now?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct it is 60 days only at this point, with the possibility to renew
>> it should this continue .
>>
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2020, at 3:00 PM, David Coudron 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The initial STA is only for 60 days as I understand it.   From what I
>> have read, it doesn’t look to be permanent.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> David Coudron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 1:57 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>>
>>
>> How permanent is this likely to be?
>>
>> One could think all of the manufacturers could roll out the software
>> without much effort.
>>
>> But perhaps part 15 testing would have to be done before they can sell
>> them?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* SmarterBroadband
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2020 12:54 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9
>>
>>
>>
>> So 33 companies have STAs from the FCC to use 45MHz of the 5.9 band to
>> increase bandwidth during the Covid crisis.
>>
>>
>>
>> What gear will support this?   450?   ePMP?
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[Chuck McCown]

Overkill imho.  They could have done it with foil and a piece of wood and it 
would have worked the same.  You don’t want any unwanted coupling from one 
cavity to the next but it doesn’t take much.

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> On Apr 1, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering why they used so many screws.  Are they worried about gaps 
> forming between the cavities and the housing?
> 
>> On 4/1/2020 11:11 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
>> Who want's to bet he ends up with "extra" screws when it goes back together?
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Porn for Chuck

[dave]

WOW think of the poor bastard who had to fine tune all those LOL!


On 4/1/20 8:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Some serious filtering going on.  I counted 32 cavities.  8 per 
filter.  Might have needed so many due to using ceramic resonators 
rather than helical or quarter wave cavities.  They could have 
probably made do with half that number but the case would have been 
twice that deep,


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On Mar 31, 2020, at 7:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:



https://youtu.be/eIcLvF2C8eM?t=833

(Link to start of undressing part)

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