Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Adam Moffett]

I wouldn't know.  Never used those with sync.  I would say I did not 
observe that problem on LTU for whatever that's worth.


In general if you have synchronized TDD there would be a guard interval 
between the Download and Upload time slots.  So that costs you 
something, but it shouldn't be dramatic.


The other general issue could be if two radios are actually on 
interfering channels.  Synchronizing could actually guarantee 
interference whereas two unsynced radios would only sometimes randomly 
interfere with each other.  I think that would be most noticeable if 
traffic on the APs was light.  That goes back as far as Canopy, and it 
should apply to any GPS sync'ed system.




On 8/26/2020 10:43 PM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF wrote:


AirMax AC

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, 27 August 2020 12:34 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

On LTU or AirMax AC?

On 8/26/2020 10:31 PM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF wrote:

I’ve found when you enable sync the throughput reduces a fair bit,
more than just the UL/DL ratio.

Anyone else seen this?

*From:*AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Thursday, 27 August 2020 11:03 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

Sync works but you have to follow same guidelines as any other

You can only sync radios that are back to back

Make sure The AP's using the same channel can not hear each other
in a site survey

Make sure your separation of the AP's on the same channel are good
enough so your clients don't see both AP's at the same time

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 1:46 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.

So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people
who seem to think the Airmax AC is better. I'm not gonna argue
that point either way, but they're both a good value.  Their
current UI puts a lot of info in front of you in a pretty
clean way.

Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that
PMP 450m currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.
The counterpoint is that you can put up a whole lot of
Ubiquiti sectors for what that costs.  The counter-counter
point is you might be paying rent for each item, and you'll
certainly have wind load for each item.

If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot
or a liar.

On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:

So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now,
but I have a project where I'm considering using some UBNT
gear. I'm wondering if the new GPS sync gear is decent.
From what I've read, they've fixed the issues that were
present years ago in their first sync attempt.

Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs
to Nanostation Loco 5s. Any input?

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF]

AirMax AC

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2020 12:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS


On LTU or AirMax AC?


On 8/26/2020 10:31 PM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF wrote:
I’ve found when you enable sync the throughput reduces a fair bit, more than 
just the UL/DL ratio.
Anyone else seen this?



From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2020 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

Sync works but you have to follow same guidelines as any other

You can only sync radios that are back to back

Make sure The AP's using the same channel can not hear each other in a site 
survey

Make sure your separation of the AP's on the same channel are good enough so 
your clients don't see both AP's at the same time

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 1:46 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.

So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people who seem to think 
the Airmax AC is better.   I'm not gonna argue that point either way, but 
they're both a good value.  Their current UI puts a lot of info in front of you 
in a pretty clean way.

Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that PMP 450m 
currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.  The counterpoint is that 
you can put up a whole lot of Ubiquiti sectors for what that costs.  The 
counter-counter point is you might be paying rent for each item, and you'll 
certainly have wind load for each item.

If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot or a liar.
On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:
So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but I have a project 
where I'm considering using some UBNT gear. I'm wondering if the new GPS sync 
gear is decent. From what I've read, they've fixed the issues that were present 
years ago in their first sync attempt.

Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to Nanostation Loco 
5s. Any input?

Craig


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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Adam Moffett]

On LTU or AirMax AC?


On 8/26/2020 10:31 PM, Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF wrote:


I’ve found when you enable sync the throughput reduces a fair bit, 
more than just the UL/DL ratio.


Anyone else seen this?

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele
*Sent:* Thursday, 27 August 2020 11:03 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

Sync works but you have to follow same guidelines as any other

You can only sync radios that are back to back

Make sure The AP's using the same channel can not hear each other in a 
site survey


Make sure your separation of the AP's on the same channel are good 
enough so your clients don't see both AP's at the same time


On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 1:46 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.

So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people who
seem to think the Airmax AC is better.   I'm not gonna argue that
point either way, but they're both a good value.  Their current UI
puts a lot of info in front of you in a pretty clean way.

Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that PMP
450m currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.  The
counterpoint is that you can put up a whole lot of Ubiquiti
sectors for what that costs.  The counter-counter point is you
might be paying rent for each item, and you'll certainly have wind
load for each item.

If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot or a
liar.

On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:

So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but
I have a project where I'm considering using some UBNT gear.
I'm wondering if the new GPS sync gear is decent. From what
I've read, they've fixed the issues that were present years
ago in their first sync attempt.

Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to
Nanostation Loco 5s. Any input?

Craig

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF]

I’ve found when you enable sync the throughput reduces a fair bit, more than 
just the UL/DL ratio.
Anyone else seen this?



From: AF  On Behalf Of Timothy Steele
Sent: Thursday, 27 August 2020 11:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

Sync works but you have to follow same guidelines as any other

You can only sync radios that are back to back

Make sure The AP's using the same channel can not hear each other in a site 
survey

Make sure your separation of the AP's on the same channel are good enough so 
your clients don't see both AP's at the same time

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 1:46 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.

So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people who seem to think 
the Airmax AC is better.   I'm not gonna argue that point either way, but 
they're both a good value.  Their current UI puts a lot of info in front of you 
in a pretty clean way.

Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that PMP 450m 
currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.  The counterpoint is that 
you can put up a whole lot of Ubiquiti sectors for what that costs.  The 
counter-counter point is you might be paying rent for each item, and you'll 
certainly have wind load for each item.

If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot or a liar.
On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:
So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but I have a project 
where I'm considering using some UBNT gear. I'm wondering if the new GPS sync 
gear is decent. From what I've read, they've fixed the issues that were present 
years ago in their first sync attempt.

Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to Nanostation Loco 
5s. Any input?

Craig


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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[chuck]

Wow, I am going to give this a try.  Thanks

From: Charles Boening 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

How about this? 

 

Microsoft has finally implemented an official way to use both Static and 
Dynamic IP simultaneously on one NIC. Reportedly, this feature was added in 
Windows 10 Creators Update 1703.

 

The key to using this feature is the new dhcpstaticipcoexistence parameter in 
netsh.

 

https://trae.sk/view/34/

 

https://superuser.com/questions/679134/add-a-static-ip-alias-to-a-dhcp-interface-on-windows-8-and-above

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

 

EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or 
sharing sensitive information. 

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.

Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.  

 

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.

Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

 

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.  

Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?




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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Charles Boening]

How about this?

Microsoft has finally implemented an official way to use both Static and 
Dynamic IP simultaneously on one NIC. Reportedly, this feature was added in 
Windows 10 Creators Update 1703.

The key to using this feature is the new dhcpstaticipcoexistence parameter in 
netsh.

https://trae.sk/view/34/

https://superuser.com/questions/679134/add-a-static-ip-alias-to-a-dhcp-interface-on-windows-8-and-above




From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or 
sharing sensitive information.
I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.
Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Timothy Steele]

Sync works but you have to follow same guidelines as any other

You can only sync radios that are back to back

Make sure The AP's using the same channel can not hear each other in a site
survey

Make sure your separation of the AP's on the same channel are good enough
so your clients don't see both AP's at the same time

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 1:46 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.
>
> So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people who seem to
> think the Airmax AC is better.   I'm not gonna argue that point either way,
> but they're both a good value.  Their current UI puts a lot of info in
> front of you in a pretty clean way.
>
> Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that PMP 450m
> currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.  The counterpoint is
> that you can put up a whole lot of Ubiquiti sectors for what that costs.
> The counter-counter point is you might be paying rent for each item, and
> you'll certainly have wind load for each item.
>
> If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot or a liar.
>
> On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:
>
> So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but I have a
> project where I'm considering using some UBNT gear. I'm wondering if the
> new GPS sync gear is decent. From what I've read, they've fixed the issues
> that were present years ago in their first sync attempt.
>
> Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to Nanostation
> Loco 5s. Any input?
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question


Mike,

I'll make sure there is something there, before I build there.


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Agreed, but it sounded like he may have to build 9 miles and wasn't sure of what he was going to get when he got there.



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From: "can...@believewireless.net" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:06:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:




I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.

Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.



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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
need to start thinking about getting some more.

Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
 It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
 That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.

 The question is which would be "better"?

 A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
 Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.

 B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
 possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 3rd data center.

 I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
 down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
 install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
 customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
 build out.

 Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
 have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
 mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.

 Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.


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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Ken Hohhof]

It depends on the frequency and duration of fiber cuts / outages.  I used to 
think reliability was everything.  Lately, customers whine about bandwidth 
constantly.  If there is a several hour outage once or twice a year, they whine 
a little and then forget it.  But speed is at the top of the hierarchy of 
needs, above things like food and sex.

 

Actually I am adapting this from my approach to licensed links.  I used to 
think every link had to be designed for 5 nines (while realizing that with 
climate change that probably got us 4 nines IRL).  So if I couldn’t find an 
intermediate point, or use 6 ft dishes, I’d do things like use a 30 MHz channel 
width to get a little incremental system gain.  Now I will go for the most 
capacity on every link, figuring more bandwidth 363 days a year was more 
important than 15 minutes of downtime 2 days a year.  And if I don’t need all 
that capacity today, I’ll need it in the near future.  The need for speed is 
not going away.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

 

I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different upstreams 
but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, 
even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else 
(and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.

 

Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient 
to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.

 



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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" mailto:m...@mailmt.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
need to start thinking about getting some more.

Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
 It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
 That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.

 The question is which would be "better"?

 A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
 Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.

 B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
 possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
3rd data center.

 I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
 down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
 install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
 customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
 build out.

 Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
 have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
 mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.

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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[chuck]

My wife is like that.  I am just the opposite.  
I am so comfortable at height that I fear stepping off into nothingness if I 
get preoccupied with a phone call.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:02 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

I have whatever the fancy word is for fear of heights.  If I don’t look 
straight ahead, I get vertigo just driving over a freeway overpass.

 

But one time I figured I’d be OK climbing the 20 ft Rohn 25 a customer had just 
put up, out by the road to get line of sight.  Someone had told me never to 
look up, because the moving clouds would make you think the tower was falling 
over.  I made the mistake of looking up.  Then I looked down, and saw that the 
tower really was falling over.  The customer had dug a round hole, and put like 
3 bags of concrete mix in it.  It rotated like a ball-and-socket joint.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

 

And twist.  It is the twist that can throw off a large 10’ dish aim without too 
much effort.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a significant amount 
of sway at the top of them don’t they?





  On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

   

  At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet. WOW I'd 
freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.

   

  2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.

   

  On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them sometimes, and 
they're just about as smooth now as they were on the first day.  They're 
supposed to last indefinitely.

Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from the sun 
there's a lot more of it to break down than the shell of an omni.

The scariest thing about them is the flexibility.  Everybody who climbed 
one commented on it.  If you get seasick then this is not the pole for you.  
With 4 sectors and a 3' dish the engineers said it would sway 10' (5' to either 
side) in a 70mph wind.  That was the point where the swaying could cause enough 
deflection to misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was the design limit due to 
deflection, but it was only at something like 25% of the structural limit.  So 
as awful as 10' sway might sound it was nowhere near breaking.  In a normal 
everyday breeze it might only move by 2 feet or so, but that's still 
frightening if you're used to climbing things that aren't made of plastic.

On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of fiberglass onis that 
the resin was gone from, even looking at them and you itched, im glad it fell 
over. Do those poles do that? it looks like theyre pretty coated

   

  On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Indeed.  My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles from a company 
in Canada called RS Poles.

80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not fiber.  But I 
might be able to talk generally about the poles.  

They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No rot.  Supposed 
to be strongerbut really you tell them what the load is and they'll 
engineer the pole you need for that load.  Definitely more bouncy than wood.  
You _can_ attach with thru bolts and square curved washers same as a wooden 
pole.  You _can't_ attach with lags or fetter drives.  For light things like 
boxes we used self tapping roofing screws and they seemed to hold just fine.  
So if you want pole steps, buy their hardware.  They sell pole steps and 
safety-climb cables.  Their documentation said don't make holes bigger than 5x 
the wall thickness, so if you're thinking of running cables inside the pole 
then bear that in mind.  Oh if you made maximum size holes they had to be at 
least so many inches apart (might have been 7", not sure).

If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill everything for you.

In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of equivalent wooden 
poles, but at 80' length it was dramatically cheaper to transport and install 
the sectional fiberglass pole than it was to use the long wooden ones.  If I 
was doing normal sized poles with normal loads then I would just do wood.

although if you tell the company "It needs to survive Cat4 
hurricanes" then I'm sure they'll set the wall thickness accordingly.  With 
wood you're at the mercy of how the tree grew and there's a lot of variance in 
strength.  If that's something you're after then maybe it's worth a little 
extra.

I found a couple of old pics:







On 8/26/202

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed, but it sounded like he may have to build 9 miles and wasn't sure of 
what he was going to get when he got there. 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "can...@believewireless.net"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:06:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question 



I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different upstreams 
but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed. 


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, 
even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else 
(and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP. 


Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient 
to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" < m...@mailmt.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question 

We are starting to get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I 
need to start thinking about getting some more. 

Currently we have two 10G ports going to two different data centers. 
With the internet connections, IX links and current hardware, I can 
pull about 8GB max from each port. Currently in peak times we pull a 
total of about 4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other. 
It is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times. 
That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey. 

The question is which would be "better"? 

A. Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now. 
Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed. 

B. Build out a 9 mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can 
possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 3rd 
data center. 

I personally like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links 
down the road. This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber 
install won't be cheap. However, I can possibly pick up 10-15 
customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things 
build out. 

Currently the two upstreams balance themselves out. I don't 
have any fancy code doing load balancing. If I add a third to the 
mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out. 

Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[can...@believewireless.net]

I prefer multiple ingress/egress points. You could have 100 different
upstreams but if they go across one fiber line, you are screwed.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 4:50 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional
> wavelength, even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going
> somewhere else (and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP.
>
> Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are
> sufficient to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question
>
> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>  It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>  That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>
>  The question is which would be "better"?
>
>  A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>  Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>
>  B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>  possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a
> possible 3rd data center.
>
>  I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>  down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>  install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>  customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>  build out.
>
>  Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>  have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>  mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>
>  Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Adam Moffett]

Wow.

On 8/26/2020 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I have whatever the fancy word is for fear of heights.  If I don’t 
look straight ahead, I get vertigo just driving over a freeway overpass.


But one time I figured I’d be OK climbing the 20 ft Rohn 25 a customer 
had just put up, out by the road to get line of sight.  Someone had 
told me never to look up, because the moving clouds would make you 
think the tower was falling over.  I made the mistake of looking up.  
Then I looked down, and saw that the tower really was falling over. 
The customer had dug a round hole, and put like 3 bags of concrete mix 
in it.  It rotated like a ball-and-socket joint.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:40 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

And twist.  It is the twist that can throw off a large 10’ dish aim 
without too much effort.


*From:*Matt Hoppes

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:05 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a 
significant amount of sway at the top of them don’t they?




On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:



At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet.
WOW I'd freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.

2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them
sometimes, and they're just about as smooth now as they were
on the first day.  They're supposed to last indefinitely.

Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from
the sun there's a lot more of it to break down than the shell
of an omni.

The scariest thing about them is the flexibility.  Everybody
who climbed one commented on it.  If you get seasick then this
is not the pole for you.  With 4 sectors and a 3' dish the
engineers said it would sway 10' (5' to either side) in a
70mph wind.  That was the point where the swaying could cause
enough deflection to misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was
the design limit due to deflection, but it was only at
something like 25% of the structural limit.  So as awful as
10' sway might sound it was nowhere near breaking.  In a
normal everyday breeze it might only move by 2 feet or so, but
that's still frightening if you're used to climbing things
that aren't made of plastic.

On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of
fiberglass onis that the resin was gone from, even looking
at them and you itched, im glad it fell over. Do those
poles do that? it looks like theyre pretty coated

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Indeed. My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles
from a company in Canada called RS Poles.

80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not
fiber.  But I might be able to talk generally about
the poles.

They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No
rot.  Supposed to be strongerbut really you tell
them what the load is and they'll engineer the pole
you need for that load.  Definitely more bouncy than
wood.  You _can_ attach with thru bolts and square
curved washers same as a wooden pole.  You _can't_
attach with lags or fetter drives. For light things
like boxes we used self tapping roofing screws and
they seemed to hold just fine.  So if you want pole
steps, buy their hardware.  They sell pole steps and
safety-climb cables.  Their documentation said don't
make holes bigger than 5x the wall thickness, so if
you're thinking of running cables inside the pole then
bear that in mind.  Oh if you made maximum size holes
they had to be at least so many inches apart (might
have been 7", not sure).

If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill
everything for you.

In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of
equivalent wooden poles, but at 80' length it was
/dramatically /cheaper to transport and install the
sectional fiberglass pole than it was to use the long
wooden ones. If I was doing normal sized poles with
   

Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Ken Hohhof]

I have whatever the fancy word is for fear of heights.  If I don’t look 
straight ahead, I get vertigo just driving over a freeway overpass.

 

But one time I figured I’d be OK climbing the 20 ft Rohn 25 a customer had just 
put up, out by the road to get line of sight.  Someone had told me never to 
look up, because the moving clouds would make you think the tower was falling 
over.  I made the mistake of looking up.  Then I looked down, and saw that the 
tower really was falling over.  The customer had dug a round hole, and put like 
3 bags of concrete mix in it.  It rotated like a ball-and-socket joint.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

 

And twist.  It is the twist that can throw off a large 10’ dish aim without too 
much effort.  

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:05 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a significant amount 
of sway at the top of them don’t they?





On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

 

At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet. WOW I'd 
freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.

 

2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them sometimes, and 
they're just about as smooth now as they were on the first day.  They're 
supposed to last indefinitely.

Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from the sun there's a 
lot more of it to break down than the shell of an omni.

The scariest thing about them is the flexibility.  Everybody who climbed one 
commented on it.  If you get seasick then this is not the pole for you.  With 4 
sectors and a 3' dish the engineers said it would sway 10' (5' to either side) 
in a 70mph wind.  That was the point where the swaying could cause enough 
deflection to misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was the design limit due to 
deflection, but it was only at something like 25% of the structural limit.  So 
as awful as 10' sway might sound it was nowhere near breaking.  In a normal 
everyday breeze it might only move by 2 feet or so, but that's still 
frightening if you're used to climbing things that aren't made of plastic.

On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of fiberglass onis that the 
resin was gone from, even looking at them and you itched, im glad it fell over. 
Do those poles do that? it looks like theyre pretty coated

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Indeed.  My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles from a company in 
Canada called RS Poles.

80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not fiber.  But I might be 
able to talk generally about the poles.  

They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No rot.  Supposed to be 
strongerbut really you tell them what the load is and they'll engineer the 
pole you need for that load.  Definitely more bouncy than wood.  You _can_ 
attach with thru bolts and square curved washers same as a wooden pole.  You 
_can't_ attach with lags or fetter drives.  For light things like boxes we used 
self tapping roofing screws and they seemed to hold just fine.  So if you want 
pole steps, buy their hardware.  They sell pole steps and safety-climb cables.  
Their documentation said don't make holes bigger than 5x the wall thickness, so 
if you're thinking of running cables inside the pole then bear that in mind.  
Oh if you made maximum size holes they had to be at least so many inches apart 
(might have been 7", not sure).

If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill everything for you.

In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of equivalent wooden poles, but at 
80' length it was dramatically cheaper to transport and install the sectional 
fiberglass pole than it was to use the long wooden ones.  If I was doing normal 
sized poles with normal loads then I would just do wood.

although if you tell the company "It needs to survive Cat4 hurricanes" then 
I'm sure they'll set the wall thickness accordingly.  With wood you're at the 
mercy of how the tree grew and there's a lot of variance in strength.  If 
that's something you're after then maybe it's worth a little extra.

I found a couple of old pics:







On 8/26/2020 12:29 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Adam Moffett can probably offer up some good input.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm M

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Mike Hammett]

I'm always in favor of more diversity. I'd go with an additional wavelength, 
even if it's out of the same POP you're already in, just going somewhere else 
(and is diverse as possible, when using a single POP. 


Bigger pipes going to the same places (assuming the small pipes are sufficient 
to handle what you need) just isn't as good of a design. 





- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:32:46 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question 

We are starting to get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I 
need to start thinking about getting some more. 

Currently we have two 10G ports going to two different data centers. 
With the internet connections, IX links and current hardware, I can 
pull about 8GB max from each port. Currently in peak times we pull a 
total of about 4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other. 
It is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times. 
That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey. 

The question is which would be "better"? 

A. Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now. 
Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed. 

B. Build out a 9 mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can 
possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 3rd 
data center. 

I personally like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links 
down the road. This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber 
install won't be cheap. However, I can possibly pick up 10-15 
customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things 
build out. 

Currently the two upstreams balance themselves out. I don't 
have any fancy code doing load balancing. If I add a third to the 
mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[chuck]

And twist.  It is the twist that can throw off a large 10’ dish aim without too 
much effort.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a significant amount 
of sway at the top of them don’t they?


  On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:


   
  At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet. WOW I'd 
freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.

  2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.

  On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them sometimes, and 
they're just about as smooth now as they were on the first day.  They're 
supposed to last indefinitely.

Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from the sun 
there's a lot more of it to break down than the shell of an omni.

The scariest thing about them is the flexibility.  Everybody who climbed 
one commented on it.  If you get seasick then this is not the pole for you.  
With 4 sectors and a 3' dish the engineers said it would sway 10' (5' to either 
side) in a 70mph wind.  That was the point where the swaying could cause enough 
deflection to misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was the design limit due to 
deflection, but it was only at something like 25% of the structural limit.  So 
as awful as 10' sway might sound it was nowhere near breaking.  In a normal 
everyday breeze it might only move by 2 feet or so, but that's still 
frightening if you're used to climbing things that aren't made of plastic.



On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of fiberglass onis that 
the resin was gone from, even looking at them and you itched, im glad it fell 
over. Do those poles do that? it looks like theyre pretty coated

  On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Indeed.  My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles from a company 
in Canada called RS Poles.

80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not fiber.  But I 
might be able to talk generally about the poles.  


They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No rot.  Supposed 
to be strongerbut really you tell them what the load is and they'll 
engineer the pole you need for that load.  Definitely more bouncy than wood.  
You _can_ attach with thru bolts and square curved washers same as a wooden 
pole.  You _can't_ attach with lags or fetter drives.  For light things like 
boxes we used self tapping roofing screws and they seemed to hold just fine.  
So if you want pole steps, buy their hardware.  They sell pole steps and 
safety-climb cables.  Their documentation said don't make holes bigger than 5x 
the wall thickness, so if you're thinking of running cables inside the pole 
then bear that in mind.  Oh if you made maximum size holes they had to be at 
least so many inches apart (might have been 7", not sure).

If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill everything for you.


In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of equivalent wooden 
poles, but at 80' length it was dramatically cheaper to transport and install 
the sectional fiberglass pole than it was to use the long wooden ones.  If I 
was doing normal sized poles with normal loads then I would just do wood.

although if you tell the company "It needs to survive Cat4 
hurricanes" then I'm sure they'll set the wall thickness accordingly.  With 
wood you're at the mercy of how the tree grew and there's a lot of variance in 
strength.  If that's something you're after then maybe it's worth a little 
extra.


I found a couple of old pics:







On 8/26/2020 12:29 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

  Adam Moffett can probably offer up some good input.



  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com



  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. 
Villarini
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:31 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: [AFMUG] Composite Poles



  Hey List,



  Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments? 

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, but they feel worse than they really are.  If it was moving 2 
inches you'd say, "wow this thing moves a lot".  If it moves 2 feet you 
might need to barf.



On 8/26/2020 3:05 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a 
significant amount of sway at the top of them don’t they?


On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:



At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet. 
WOW I'd freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.


2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them
sometimes, and they're just about as smooth now as they were on
the first day.  They're supposed to last indefinitely.

Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from the
sun there's a lot more of it to break down than the shell of an omni.

The scariest thing about them is the flexibility. Everybody who
climbed one commented on it.  If you get seasick then this is not
the pole for you.  With 4 sectors and a 3' dish the engineers
said it would sway 10' (5' to either side) in a 70mph wind.  That
was the point where the swaying could cause enough deflection to
misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was the design limit due to
deflection, but it was only at something like 25% of the
structural limit.  So as awful as 10' sway might sound it was
nowhere near breaking.  In a normal everyday breeze it might only
move by 2 feet or so, but that's still frightening if you're used
to climbing things that aren't made of plastic.

On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of fiberglass
onis that the resin was gone from, even looking at them and you
itched, im glad it fell over. Do those poles do that? it looks
like theyre pretty coated

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Indeed.  My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles from
a company in Canada called RS Poles.

80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not fiber. 
But I might be able to talk generally about the poles.

They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No rot. 
Supposed to be strongerbut really you tell them what the
load is and they'll engineer the pole you need for that
load.  Definitely more bouncy than wood.  You _can_ attach
with thru bolts and square curved washers same as a wooden
pole. You _can't_ attach with lags or fetter drives.  For
light things like boxes we used self tapping roofing screws
and they seemed to hold just fine.  So if you want pole
steps, buy their hardware.  They sell pole steps and
safety-climb cables.  Their documentation said don't make
holes bigger than 5x the wall thickness, so if you're
thinking of running cables inside the pole then bear that in
mind.  Oh if you made maximum size holes they had to be at
least so many inches apart (might have been 7", not sure).

If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill
everything for you.

In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of equivalent
wooden poles, but at 80' length it was /dramatically
/cheaper to transport and install the sectional fiberglass
pole than it was to use the long wooden ones. If I was doing
normal sized poles with normal loads then I would just do wood.

although if you tell the company "It needs to survive
Cat4 hurricanes" then I'm sure they'll set the wall
thickness accordingly.  With wood you're at the mercy of how
the tree grew and there's a lot of variance in strength.  If
that's something you're after then maybe it's worth a little
extra.

I found a couple of old pics:




On 8/26/2020 12:29 PM, Brian Webster wrote:


Adam Moffett can probably offer up some good input.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Hey List,

Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments?

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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Matt Hoppes]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but some freestanding towers have a significant amount 
of sway at the top of them don’t they?

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 2:48 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> At first I read that as 10 inches. Then realized it was 10 feet. WOW I'd 
> freak if I saw my pole moving that much in a storm.
> 
> 2 foot in a breeze does sound pretty scary.
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:40 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> Not in the 5 years they've been up.  I drive by some of them sometimes, and 
>> they're just about as smooth now as they were on the first day.  They're 
>> supposed to last indefinitely.
>> 
>> Wall thickness on ours was 7/16".  If it does break down from the sun 
>> there's a lot more of it to break down than the shell of an omni.
>> 
>> The scariest thing about them is the flexibility.  Everybody who climbed one 
>> commented on it.  If you get seasick then this is not the pole for you.  
>> With 4 sectors and a 3' dish the engineers said it would sway 10' (5' to 
>> either side) in a 70mph wind.  That was the point where the swaying could 
>> cause enough deflection to misalign an 11ghz backhaul.  So that was the 
>> design limit due to deflection, but it was only at something like 25% of the 
>> structural limit.  So as awful as 10' sway might sound it was nowhere near 
>> breaking.  In a normal everyday breeze it might only move by 2 feet or so, 
>> but that's still frightening if you're used to climbing things that aren't 
>> made of plastic.
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/26/2020 2:22 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> Our site that fell over last month had a bunch of fiberglass onis that the 
>>> resin was gone from, even looking at them and you itched, im glad it fell 
>>> over. Do those poles do that? it looks like theyre pretty coated
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
 Indeed.  My previous employer used 80' fiberglass poles from a company in 
 Canada called RS Poles.
 
 80' gives you 70' AGL.  These were for wireless, not fiber.  But I might 
 be able to talk generally about the poles.  
 
 They're more expensive than wood.  They're hollow.  No rot.  Supposed to 
 be strongerbut really you tell them what the load is and they'll 
 engineer the pole you need for that load.  Definitely more bouncy than 
 wood.  You _can_ attach with thru bolts and square curved washers same as 
 a wooden pole.  You _can't_ attach with lags or fetter drives.  For light 
 things like boxes we used self tapping roofing screws and they seemed to 
 hold just fine.  So if you want pole steps, buy their hardware.  They sell 
 pole steps and safety-climb cables.  Their documentation said don't make 
 holes bigger than 5x the wall thickness, so if you're thinking of running 
 cables inside the pole then bear that in mind.  Oh if you made maximum 
 size holes they had to be at least so many inches apart (might have been 
 7", not sure).
 
 If you know what you're putting on, they'll predrill everything for you.
 
 In our case the 80' poles were 2-3x the cost of equivalent wooden poles, 
 but at 80' length it was dramatically cheaper to transport and install the 
 sectional fiberglass pole than it was to use the long wooden ones.  If I 
 was doing normal sized poles with normal loads then I would just do wood.
 
 although if you tell the company "It needs to survive Cat4 hurricanes" 
 then I'm sure they'll set the wall thickness accordingly.  With wood 
 you're at the mercy of how the tree grew and there's a lot of variance in 
 strength.  If that's something you're after then maybe it's worth a little 
 extra.
 
 I found a couple of old pics:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
> On 8/26/2020 12:29 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Adam Moffett can probably offer up some good input.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> 
>  
> 
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> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: [AFMUG] Composite Poles
> 
>  
> 
> Hey List,
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments?
> 
> Gino Villarini 
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Cassidy,

I think that will be the tipping point.  If I can truly get a pair of
dark  fibers  to  a data center, I think that would justify the 9 mile
build  out.   If  I  can only get a wave to the data center, then I'll
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CBL> All depends on costs.  We priced out 2x10G vs 1x100G between two
CBL> datacenters, and with the XC charges on both sides of the pipe
CBL> for 2x10G, the 1x100G came in cheaper. 

CBL> If you did “B”, you could light your own 100G for the cost of a 9 mile run 
+ dark fiber lease.

>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
>> need to start thinking about getting some more.
>> 
>> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
>> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
>> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
>> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
>> It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
>> That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
>> 
>> The question is which would be "better"?
>> 
>> A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
>> Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
>> 
>> B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
>> possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
>> 3rd data center.
>> 
>> I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
>> down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
>> install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
>> customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
>> build out.
>> 
>> Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
>> have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
>> mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
>> 
>> Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Cassidy B. Larson]

All depends on costs.  We priced out 2x10G vs 1x100G between two datacenters, 
and with the XC charges on both sides of the pipe for 2x10G, the 1x100G came in 
cheaper. 

If you did “B”, you could light your own 100G for the cost of a 9 mile run + 
dark fiber lease. 

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
> We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
> need to start thinking about getting some more.
> 
> Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
> With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
> pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
> total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
> It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
> That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.
> 
> The question is which would be "better"?
> 
> A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
> Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.
> 
> B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
> possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
> 3rd data center.
> 
> I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
> down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
> install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
> customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
> build out.
> 
> Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
> have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
> mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.
> 
> Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.
> 
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[AFMUG] Upstream Bandwidth Question

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

We  are  starting  to  get close enough on upstream bandwidth, where I
need to start thinking about getting some more.

Currently  we have two 10G ports going to  two different data centers.
With  the  internet  connections, IX links and current hardware, I can
pull  about 8GB max from each port.  Currently in peak times we pull a
total  of  about  4-5 gbps on one line and about 3-4 gbps on the other.
 It  is manageable now, until an upstream goes down during peak times.
 That has only happened once and it was a bit dicey.

 The question is which would be "better"?

 A.  Upgrade the two pipes to 20/40/100G whatever is the standard now.
 Buy new hardware to handle the new speeds needed.

 B.   Build   out   a  9  mile fiber run to a possible POP where I can
 possibly grab some dark fiber or at least another 10G and run to a possible 
3rd data center.

 I  personally  like B, being I can push upgrading the other two links
 down  the road.  This is a rural area, but a state road, so the fiber
 install  won't  be  cheap.   However,  I  can  possibly pick up 10-15
 customers along the way with the possibility of getting more as things
 build out.

 Currently  the  two upstreams  balance themselves out.  I don't
 have  any  fancy  code doing load balancing.  If I add a third to the
 mix, I'm not sure how well they will balance out.

 Just trying to figure out pros and cons of each.


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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Bill Prince]

What about smart ass people? Most of the people on this list qualify for
that.

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:18 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> thats an option for smart people, not me
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:02 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> If that's an option for you, then you're a lot more motivated than me.
>>
>> On 8/26/2020 1:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > writing your own tcp stack is an option
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Steve Jones]

thats an option for smart people, not me

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:02 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If that's an option for you, then you're a lot more motivated than me.
>
> On 8/26/2020 1:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > writing your own tcp stack is an option
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Bill Prince]

Yeah. If you have a 'tik on the network either as your gateway, or maybe as
an appliance, you can use it as a bridge to any subnet you want.

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Since I'm a cheater:
>
> I used to get my DHCP address and set it statically.  Then I could add
> extra IP's in common subnets for device management.  My default gateway
> goes with the office IP, so I have LAN/Internet access, but since my
> computer also has 192.168.1.x and 169.254.1.x and 192.168.0.x I can reach
> the default IP's on things just by plugging them into the LAN.
>
> So I guess the stupid/simple thing is use a static IP in your office, then
> add secondary IP's on all of the likely management networks.
>
>
> On 8/26/2020 11:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am glad to see there is no stupid-simple solution that I was simply
> unaware of.
> I think I will re-create the scripts and icons.
> They were simple and worked well.  Just took a bit of study to create them
> in the first place.
>
> *From:* Craig Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:41 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a basic question
>
> Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if
> you can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue.
> Of course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or
> overlap in any way.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better
>> way.
>>
>> Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.
>> 192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or
>> some such thing.
>>
>> Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right
>> back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go
>> to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to
>> reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from
>> time to time.
>>
>> Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Adam Moffett]

If that's an option for you, then you're a lot more motivated than me.

On 8/26/2020 1:58 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

writing your own tcp stack is an option


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Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Homemade Commuter Croissant

[Adam Moffett]

I'd had the fast food breakfast sandwiches before.  The first time I 
made one at home I realized that the fast food joints took something 
stunningly good and made a version that was merely "ok".   It's dead 
simple:  bread product, eggs, cheese, meat.  You can't screw that up, 
but somehow they made it a pale shadow.


On 8/26/2020 11:48 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Yum

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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Steve Jones]

scripts is easiest.
writing your own tcp stack is an option
virtual adapters is an option
secondary tik is what i have for techs so nothing needs reconfigured

if you find the answer to your question, i want to know

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:58 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Since I'm a cheater:
>
> I used to get my DHCP address and set it statically.  Then I could add
> extra IP's in common subnets for device management.  My default gateway
> goes with the office IP, so I have LAN/Internet access, but since my
> computer also has 192.168.1.x and 169.254.1.x and 192.168.0.x I can reach
> the default IP's on things just by plugging them into the LAN.
>
> So I guess the stupid/simple thing is use a static IP in your office, then
> add secondary IP's on all of the likely management networks.
>
>
> On 8/26/2020 11:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I am glad to see there is no stupid-simple solution that I was simply
> unaware of.
> I think I will re-create the scripts and icons.
> They were simple and worked well.  Just took a bit of study to create them
> in the first place.
>
> *From:* Craig Baird
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:41 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a basic question
>
> Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if
> you can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue.
> Of course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or
> overlap in any way.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better
>> way.
>>
>> Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.
>> 192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or
>> some such thing.
>>
>> Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right
>> back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go
>> to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to
>> reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from
>> time to time.
>>
>> Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Steve Jones]

got a whole milwaukee packout kit too, have a trucks worth of tools in it
with the milwaukee packout backpack, nice and modular, can be put into
about any vehicle, only need to bring out the trays for the project at hand.

these are all i use for 99 percent of ladder work now
https://www.grainger.com/product/54YF86

Dont
let any naysayers lead away from them, they work well. I thought it was the
dumbest thing ever when the boss brought them in, but now...

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:23 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-Shockwave-Impact-Duty-Drill-and-Drive-Set-26-Piece-48-32-4408/203820400
>
>
> This set right here is one that i carry with a couple extra size and type
> specific and use the most, the milwakee enclosures are adjustable so you
> can load out task specific kits. I prefer the black tips but theyre moving
> to this shockwave.
> I had misplaced this one and got one similar with some quick chuck drill
> bits in it. now that i found the first one ill part hem out to a common kit
> and an offbit kit. you can put the beltholders on these too so you can clip
> to yout belt ot tool carrier
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:09 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Yeah the step ladder is critical.
>>
>> The pipe wrench really isn't.  I know it's from my own list, but I don't
>> really use it that often.  Sometimes it's helpful to be able to hold onto a
>> round object, and sometimes it's just a spare hammer, and sometimes it's
>> the only thing I have that'll turn a nut too large for my crescent or
>> sockets.
>>
>>
>> On 8/25/2020 3:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> 5’ step ladder
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>>
>> This is how it currently looks now:
>>
>>
>> *Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*
>>
>> Electric drill
>>
>> Phillips bit for drill
>>
>> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
>>
>> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
>>
>> Markers
>> Zip tie labels
>> Zip ties
>> Screw-in anchors
>>
>> *Installer’s Truck  - MEL*
>>
>> 2 Batteries
>>
>> Charger that can plug into 12V
>>
>> Arrow T-18 Staples
>>
>> Glow rods
>>
>> Long flex bit
>>
>> Alcohol
>> One click cleaners for SC/APC
>> #6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws
>>
>> Duct Cutter
>>
>> VFL
>>
>> *Optional but recommended*
>>
>> Fish tape
>>
>> Caulk
>> Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
>> Micro screwdrivers
>> Standard screwdrivers
>> Mini socket set with common sizes
>> open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a
>> different size on each end of the wrench)
>> Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
>> Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
>> Hammer
>> Crescent wrench
>> Vise Grips
>> Pipe wrench
>> Micro screwdrivers
>> Spudger/booger pick
>> Wire brush
>> Utility knife with blades
>> Electrician scissors
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Adam Moffett]

Ubiquiti now vs Ubiquiti back then is a night and day difference.

So far I'm happy with the LTU product.  I know other people who seem to 
think the Airmax AC is better.   I'm not gonna argue that point either 
way, but they're both a good value.  Their current UI puts a lot of info 
in front of you in a pretty clean way.


Although since we're the old Motorola list I'll point out that PMP 450m 
currently gives you the most capacity in one sector.  The counterpoint 
is that you can put up a whole lot of Ubiquiti sectors for what that 
costs.  The counter-counter point is you might be paying rent for each 
item, and you'll certainly have wind load for each item.


If anybody tries to sell you Telrad, they are either an idiot or a liar.

On 8/26/2020 11:54 AM, Craig Baird wrote:
So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but I have 
a project where I'm considering using some UBNT gear. I'm wondering if 
the new GPS sync gear is decent. From what I've read, they've fixed 
the issues that were present years ago in their first sync attempt.


Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to 
Nanostation Loco 5s. Any input?


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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Steve Jones]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-Shockwave-Impact-Duty-Drill-and-Drive-Set-26-Piece-48-32-4408/203820400


This set right here is one that i carry with a couple extra size and type
specific and use the most, the milwakee enclosures are adjustable so you
can load out task specific kits. I prefer the black tips but theyre moving
to this shockwave.
I had misplaced this one and got one similar with some quick chuck drill
bits in it. now that i found the first one ill part hem out to a common kit
and an offbit kit. you can put the beltholders on these too so you can clip
to yout belt ot tool carrier

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:09 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeah the step ladder is critical.
>
> The pipe wrench really isn't.  I know it's from my own list, but I don't
> really use it that often.  Sometimes it's helpful to be able to hold onto a
> round object, and sometimes it's just a spare hammer, and sometimes it's
> the only thing I have that'll turn a nut too large for my crescent or
> sockets.
>
>
> On 8/25/2020 3:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 5’ step ladder
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
>
> This is how it currently looks now:
>
>
> *Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*
>
> Electric drill
>
> Phillips bit for drill
>
> Bell hangers bit.  .250”
>
> Arrow T-18 stapler and staples
>
> Markers
> Zip tie labels
> Zip ties
> Screw-in anchors
>
> *Installer’s Truck  - MEL*
>
> 2 Batteries
>
> Charger that can plug into 12V
>
> Arrow T-18 Staples
>
> Glow rods
>
> Long flex bit
>
> Alcohol
> One click cleaners for SC/APC
> #6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws
>
> Duct Cutter
>
> VFL
>
> *Optional but recommended*
>
> Fish tape
>
> Caulk
> Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
> Micro screwdrivers
> Standard screwdrivers
> Mini socket set with common sizes
> open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different
> size on each end of the wrench)
> Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
> Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
> Hammer
> Crescent wrench
> Vise Grips
> Pipe wrench
> Micro screwdrivers
> Spudger/booger pick
> Wire brush
> Utility knife with blades
> Electrician scissors
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Adam Moffett]

Since I'm a cheater:

I used to get my DHCP address and set it statically.  Then I could add 
extra IP's in common subnets for device management.  My default gateway 
goes with the office IP, so I have LAN/Internet access, but since my 
computer also has 192.168.1.x and 169.254.1.x and 192.168.0.x I can 
reach the default IP's on things just by plugging them into the LAN.


So I guess the stupid/simple thing is use a static IP in your office, 
then add secondary IP's on all of the likely management networks.



On 8/26/2020 11:48 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am glad to see there is no stupid-simple solution that I was simply 
unaware of.

I think I will re-create the scripts and icons.
They were simple and worked well.  Just took a bit of study to create 
them in the first place.

*From:* Craig Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:41 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] a basic question
Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, 
if you can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that 
issue. Of course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't 
conflict or overlap in any way.

Craig
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
 wrote:


We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for
commercial use.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com 

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a
better way.

Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something. 
192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to
192.168.1.11 or some such thing.

Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and
right back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check
email I need to go to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with
icons to reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I
need to access from time to time.

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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Bill Prince]

Several years ago there was a company that had manufactured tons of
composite poles thinking they were going to corner the market for telephone
poles in China. Except that China leap-frogged and went mostly wireless;
hence not really needing telephone poles composite or not.

Wish I could remember the name of that company. There is probably a giant
stockpile of them laying around somewhere.

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:31 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Hey List,
>
>
>
> Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments?
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Matt Corcoran]

On windows I used netsetman for while to switch between configurations, but the 
bigger issue was I could never get Windows to run DHCP and a static ip at the 
same time.If you don’t run DHCP and statics at the same time,  you can’t 
access the cpe while also having access to your network or VPN unless you 
manually choose the correct gateway.   On top of that, every WindowsOS after XP 
takes several extra seconds to report that the port is up,  which is just a 
pain when you first just want to verify that layer2 is working.   Supposedly 
you can turn off all the extra automatic network detection.

Then I switched to macos and linux.  On MacOS I just add another instance of 
the Ethernet port with one set to DHCP and the other set with my statics.   
There is a built in location manager that lets you save and switch between 
network configurations but I a rarely need to use it. I have an “installer” 
location  and an “Automatic” configuration. Can definitely be done on linux 
as well.

but now days, I just run NAT on a unifi, add the extra static addresses there, 
then connect to it via wifi.  (installed in a box with battery pack)


From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 12:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

Yeah... screw that... I will just recreate all my scripts.

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

Multiple NICs

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 9:42 AM Craig Baird  wrote:
Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if you can 
access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue. Of course, 
this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or overlap in any 
way.

Craig


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:
We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.
Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Gino A. Villarini]

Poles that are made of composite materials, not wood nor concrete or metal…

From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 11:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Not sure what that is.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Hey List,

Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments?

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Brian Webster]

Adam Moffett can probably offer up some good input.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

 

Hey List,

 

Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments? 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


  aeronet-logo

  inc500

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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[chuck]

Yeah... screw that... I will just recreate all my scripts.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:52 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

Multiple NICs

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 9:42 AM Craig Baird  wrote:

  Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if you 
can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue. Of 
course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or overlap 
in any way. 

  Craig


  On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.



Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com



From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question



I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.

Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.  



Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  
192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some 
such thing.

Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right 
back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.



Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah the step ladder is critical.

The pipe wrench really isn't.  I know it's from my own list, but I don't 
really use it that often.  Sometimes it's helpful to be able to hold 
onto a round object, and sometimes it's just a spare hammer, and 
sometimes it's the only thing I have that'll turn a nut too large for my 
crescent or sockets.



On 8/25/2020 3:04 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

5’ step ladder
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
This is how it currently looks now:

*Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors

*Installer’s Truck - MEL*

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL

*Optional but recommended*

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a 
different size on each end of the wrench)

Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors



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[AFMUG] UBNT GPS

[Craig Baird]

So I've been out of the WISP business for a few years now, but I have a
project where I'm considering using some UBNT gear. I'm wondering if the
new GPS sync gear is decent. From what I've read, they've fixed the issues
that were present years ago in their first sync attempt.

Specifically, I'm considering using some LiteAP 5 GPS APs to Nanostation
Loco 5s. Any input?

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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Jaime Solorza]

Multiple NICs

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 9:42 AM Craig Baird  wrote:

> Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if
> you can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue.
> Of course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or
> overlap in any way.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>> 979-999-7000
>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better
>> way.
>>
>> Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.
>> 192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or
>> some such thing.
>>
>> Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right
>> back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go
>> to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to
>> reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from
>> time to time.
>>
>> Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[chuck]

I am glad to see there is no stupid-simple solution that I was simply unaware 
of.
I think I will re-create the scripts and icons.  
They were simple and worked well.  Just took a bit of study to create them in 
the first place.  

From: Craig Baird 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:41 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if you can 
access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue. Of course, 
this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or overlap in any 
way. 

Craig


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

  We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.



  Jim Bouse
  Owner - Brazos WiFi
  979-999-7000
  http://www.brazoswifi.com



  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question



  I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.

  Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.  



  Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  
192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some 
such thing.

  Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back 
to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.



  Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.  

  Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

Shorting will not disconnect.  It will make a click.  Opening the line will 
hang it up.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:41 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

I think if you short a line you can hang up someone's phone.  If I'm playing 
with one line maybe I don't want to accidentally touch the others.  Also bare 
fibers are tiny, and sometimes a little plastic pick or spudger is helpful to 
manipulate them in a tray.  I'm not sure if Chuck's installers will be playing 
with bare fibers though.


On 8/25/2020 9:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Never heard them called that, but I assume that’s the same as a spudger.  
Keep it with your dikes and your butt set.

  https://www.sandman.com/secret.html

   

  I’ve always had punch tools both 66 and 110, but never carried a spudger.  
When removing wires from punch blocks, I just yanked them, or used needle nose.

   

  It appears there is even a website spudgers.com which sells spudgers and 
claims they are cellphone repair tools.  Which is B.S. because spudgers were 
around long before cellphones existed.

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:14 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

   

  Where do you buy those booger picks?

   

  On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:

5’ step ladder

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

 

This is how it currently looks now:

 

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors

Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL

Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different 
size on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[chuck]

Reminds me of college.  We used lots of wireless breadboards.  To get signals 
into and out of those little socket strips we used frog stickers.
The biology department used them to pin the parts of a frog to a slab of wax 
during dissection.  Stainless needle in the end of a wooden dowel.  About the 
diameter of a pencil.  4” long or so.  They are handy to probe something with.  
Just clip a clip cord to them.  You can puncture insulation etc.

I wish I had some right now.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

I got a 10 pack on Amazon for next to nothing.



On 8/25/2020 3:13 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  Where do you buy those booger picks?

  On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM  wrote:

5’ step ladder

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

This is how it currently looks now:

Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors



Installer’s Truck  - MEL

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V 

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL



Optional but recommended

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a different 
size on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


 

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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Craig Baird]

Multiple NICs? Maybe get a USB ethernet dongle for the laptop. Also, if you
can access your internal networks via WiFi, that would fix that issue. Of
course, this all assumes that your various IP subnets don't conflict or
overlap in any way.

Craig


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:35 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] a basic question
>
>
>
> I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better
> way.
>
> Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.
>
>
>
> Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.
> 192.168.1.1  So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or
> some such thing.
>
> Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right
> back to the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go
> to a 10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.
>
>
>
> Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to
> reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from
> time to time.
>
> Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Bill Prince]

+1.

I discovered this a few months ago. My Roku was getting slower with some of
the apps; many of which I didn't use. I discovered that (1) You can delete
the ones you don't use (this speeds it up considerably as it frees memory),
and (2) You can move the apps around (so I put the few that I use at the
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> You can delete all the unused apps on Roku and I think you can re arrange
> the apps too.
> I only use Roku anymore.  Seems to be fine all the time.
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:30 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?
>
> Wow, I have the exact Opposite.  I would take my Firestick over my Roku
> anyday.  Firestick is way more responsive.  I only use 2 apps on my Roku,
> day to day they will either be somewhere on the front page, or 2-3 page
> scrolls away with a bunch of other random apps showing on the home page.
>
> On 8/26/2020 9:10 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
> Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the
> same channel as any wifi in the house and
> utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
> Its a real piece of work.
>
>
>
> On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
>
> Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins when
> it's buffering.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do
>> they mean rebuffering?
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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Adam Moffett]

I think if you short a line you can hang up someone's phone.  If I'm 
playing with one line maybe I don't want to accidentally touch the 
others.  Also bare fibers are tiny, and sometimes a little plastic pick 
or spudger is helpful to manipulate them in a tray. I'm not sure if 
Chuck's installers will be playing with bare fibers though.


On 8/25/2020 9:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Never heard them called that, but I assume that’s the same as a 
spudger.  Keep it with your dikes and your butt set.


https://www.sandman.com/secret.html

I’ve always had punch tools both 66 and 110, but never carried a 
spudger.  When removing wires from punch blocks, I just yanked them, 
or used needle nose.


It appears there is even a website spudgers.com which sells spudgers 
and claims they are cellphone repair tools.  Which is B.S. because 
spudgers were around long before cellphones existed.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 2:14 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

Where do you buy those booger picks?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM > wrote:


5’ step ladder

*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com 

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

This is how it currently looks now:

*Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit.  .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors

*Installer’s Truck  - MEL*

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL

*Optional but recommended*

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a
different size on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


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Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list

[Adam Moffett]

I got a 10 pack on Amazon for next to nothing.


On 8/25/2020 3:13 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Where do you buy those booger picks?

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:05 PM > wrote:


5’ step ladder
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 25, 2020 12:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Installer tool list
This is how it currently looks now:

*Installer’s Tool Bag/Belt*

Electric drill

Phillips bit for drill

Bell hangers bit. .250”

Arrow T-18 stapler and staples

Markers
Zip tie labels
Zip ties
Screw-in anchors

*Installer’s Truck - MEL*

2 Batteries

Charger that can plug into 12V

Arrow T-18 Staples

Glow rods

Long flex bit

Alcohol
One click cleaners for SC/APC
#6, 8 & 10 Philips pan head sheet metal screws

Duct Cutter

VFL

*Optional but recommended*

Fish tape

Caulk
Electrical tape (at least black and white, red and green)
Micro screwdrivers
Standard screwdrivers
Mini socket set with common sizes
open end wrenches in common sizes (maybe 5 metric, 5 ANSI with a
different size on each end of the wrench)
Several types of pliers (linesman, needle nose, common)
Diagonal cutters (big ones, and tiny nippers)
Hammer
Crescent wrench
Vise Grips
Pipe wrench
Micro screwdrivers
Spudger/booger pick
Wire brush
Utility knife with blades
Electrician scissors


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Re: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

[chuck]

Not sure what that is.

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Composite Poles

Hey List,

 

Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments? 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We use a program called NetSetMan.  It’s inexpensive for commercial use.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.
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Re: [AFMUG] a basic question

[David Coudron]

I started carrying the Mikrokik mAP.   Set up the wireless to DHCP an address 
to my laptop in a subnet range we never use on our network and add outside 
addresses for all the common subnets you’d normally plug your laptop into.   
The mAP plugs into USB for power so you only need the ethernet cable to plug 
into your network with.  Works pretty well, just need to get all the outside 
IPs on one time.   Also means your laptop doesn’t have to be within ethernet 
cord distance of the device you want to plug in to if you have USB or POE for 
the mAP to plug into.   This is nice on top of grain legs, where plug the mAP 
into the cabinet and fine a comfortable place to perch up top to work on the 
laptop rather than being pinched in a corner by the cabinet.


Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] a basic question

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.
Is there a better way where I will never have to change configs?
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[AFMUG] Composite Poles

[Gino A. Villarini]

Hey List,

Anyone has deployed composite poles for fiber deployments?

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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[AFMUG] a basic question

[chuck]

I feel silly asking this but I honestly don’t know if there is a better way.
Willing to risk the embarrassment of a simple answer.  

Frequently plugging a laptop into a management port or something.  192.168.1.1  
So I need to set the laptop IP manually to 192.168.1.11 or some such thing.
Then I find I immediately need to connect to some DHCP device and right back to 
the management port.  And then to perhaps check email I need to go to a 
10.x.x.x or a 172 subnet internally.

Once upon a time I wrote some scripts and associated them with icons to 
reconfig the ethernet IPV4 settings to various things I need to access from 
time to time.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer Battery Backup - FTTH ONT+Router?

[Adam Moffett]

I know our guys have put both an ONT and a Mikrotik on one of those 
Cyberpower UPS's.  I never looked closely at how they did it, but if 
there aren't two outputs then I'd assume they just double tapped it.


FYI: The output voltage is the same as the battery/charger voltage, so 
if your device can't monitor the relays you can still tell if the AC is 
on by monitoring the input voltage on your device.


>13v = AC good.


On 8/25/2020 1:34 PM, cg...@graytechsoftware.com wrote:


What are the standard solutions for providing customer backup power 
when running an ONT and Router?


CyberPower has a whole range of 12V and 48V DC units 
(https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/telecom/indoor/), but it 
seems they are usually intended to provide power to only one device. 
How are these (or other examples) usually installed to provide power 
to both an ONT and Router?


Older Calix documentation shows how to get backup power from one of 
these CyberPower DC UPSs, but doesn’t indicate how the ONT is powered.


I’m specifically looking for something better than a standard consumer 
AC UPS. I’m generally looking for a good integrated solution that 
could also be modified for WISP installations.


Thank you - Chris


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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[chuck]

You can delete all the unused apps on Roku and I think you can re arrange the 
apps too.  
I only use Roku anymore.  Seems to be fine all the time.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:30 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

Wow, I have the exact Opposite.  I would take my Firestick over my Roku anyday. 
 Firestick is way more responsive.  I only use 2 apps on my Roku, day to day 
they will either be somewhere on the front page, or 2-3 page scrolls away with 
a bunch of other random apps showing on the home page. 


On 8/26/2020 9:10 AM, dave wrote:

  Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar 
  Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the same 
channel as any wifi in the house and
  utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
  Its a real piece of work.





  On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:

Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins when 
it's buffering.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do 
they mean rebuffering?

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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Bill Prince]

You know you can re-order the placement of the apps on a Roku?

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On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 7:31 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Wow, I have the exact Opposite.  I would take my Firestick over my Roku
> anyday.  Firestick is way more responsive.  I only use 2 apps on my Roku,
> day to day they will either be somewhere on the front page, or 2-3 page
> scrolls away with a bunch of other random apps showing on the home page.
>
> On 8/26/2020 9:10 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
> Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the
> same channel as any wifi in the house and
> utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
> Its a real piece of work.
>
>
>
> On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
>
> Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins when
> it's buffering.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that mean?  Do
>> they mean rebuffering?
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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[Nate Burke]

Wow, I have the exact Opposite.  I would take my Firestick over my Roku 
anyday.  Firestick is way more responsive.  I only use 2 apps on my 
Roku, day to day they will either be somewhere on the front page, or 2-3 
page scrolls away with a bunch of other random apps showing on the home 
page.


On 8/26/2020 9:10 AM, dave wrote:

Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on 
the same channel as any wifi in the house and

utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
Its a real piece of work.



On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins 
when it's buffering.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that
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Re: [AFMUG] Firestick clocking?

[dave]

Throw that shit in the garbage and get a Roku or something similar
Fire sticks cause so much in home wifi issues..  the remote lands on the 
same channel as any wifi in the house and

utterly destroys and disrupts service to other devices.
Its a real piece of work.



On 8/25/20 10:52 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
Buffering.  I think there is a little clock on the screen that spins 
when it's buffering.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 4:18 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


If a customer says their Firestick is clocking, WTF does that
mean?  Do they mean rebuffering?

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