Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jaime Solorza]

I think you meant...
Right after Trump is indicted?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think
> we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
> hoping it will not be needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote:
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> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
> look at the content.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
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> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
> actually posting those on this list.
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> We're all grown-assed adults here.
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> Ha!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jay Weekley]

I just filter posts by "OT".  If I decide I care what someones political 
beliefs are I have them in a handy folder.  Usually I don't.


Craig House wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in 
this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems 
with equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before 
I even look at the content.


Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:



My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an 
asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the 
"Democrats are communists" story. They're not crying as such, but 
they are experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually 
funny to poke at them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny 
either, but nobody is actually posting those on this list.


We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Ha!






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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 31, Issue 401

[jerry bickle]

I’m new to this forum.  I unsubscribed to “digests”.  But it seems like every 
comment someone makes is a digest?  A new volume 31, issue xxx?

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:39:27 -0700
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
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I remember all the grups being upset about Kennedy, but I didn?t understand the 
issue.

From: James Howard
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 2:35 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

Well?? that is a lifelong issue for some people.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 3:15 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots



I was still probably crapping in my pants back then.



From: Bill Prince

Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:05 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots



I'm close to the same age as Ken, and I saw him on the garssy knoll.



bpOn 12/14/2020 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  One case is actually still in court.

  In one case in Pennsylvania they were granted a court order saying they had 
to allow observers closer than 6 feet, but they lost that that one on appeal.

  Roughly 50 other cases were dismissed.  Some were due to lack of standing, 
some because the court felt it couldn't provide the relief being asked for, 
some for being moot, some because the evidence was insufficient.

  In the famous "Release the Kraken" case, the judge responded that you have 
affidavits from people swearing that they believe something could have 
happened, not saying they actually saw something.  Belief that something could 
have happened is not evidence that it did.  Like I believe Ken Hohhof is old 
enough to be the second gunman on the grassy knoll.  I could swear to that in 
an affidavit, but that's not evidence that he shot JFK.



  On 12/14/2020 2:52 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

Didn't they go to court in the states and lose?



On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

  " I think the argument your making (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that 
they won't feel like they really lost unless they get to make their arguments 
in a courtroom and THEN lose.  I'm saying they'll feel like they didn't really 
lose no matter what,"

  Yes. but its separating the Tim McVeighs from the Housewife Bettys.

  So you have something like 80 percent of the trump voters thinking he was 
robbed (oddly enough a CNN poll showed 10 percent of democrat voters agreeing). 
Of that 80 percent, there probably 25 percent youre not going to get to ever 
listen to anything, theyre the ones who know alex jones is garbage but still 
listen to him, they also believe theres a pizza joint selling child sex slaves 
to rich people, theyre as bad as the cult of left 25 percent that still believe 
the russian collusion delusion. The remaining 55 percent will accept an actual 
case result from supreme court, as much as most of us dont care for unelected 
officials making decisions, the constitution matters. the biggest problem is 
that as we speak, the ilk of alex jones are onboarding them left and right. It 
doesnt help what West, who by

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Filter on the OT in the subject line. You'll get what you want.


bp

On 12/14/2020 6:16 PM, Craig House
  wrote:


  
  I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in
  this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for
  problems with equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I
  delete before I even look at the content.  
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a
liar and an asshole, but voted for him anyway because
they've bought into the "Democrats are communists" story. 
They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an
undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either,
but nobody is actually posting those on this list.
  
  We're all grown-assed adults here.
  
  
  On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime
Solorza wrote:
  
  

Ha!


  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] AF Digest, Vol 31, Issue 401

[Colin Stanners]

If you can see the below, you have not actually unsubscribed to the
"digests" version.  I used the weblink below to have it request an
unsubscribe that you can confirm via email. Then if you wish you can
subscribe to this list again, turning digests off.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:17 AM jerry bickle 
wrote:

> I’m new to this forum.  I unsubscribed to “digests”.  But it seems like
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>
>
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>1. Re: OT: Not all Texans are idiots (Chuck McCown)
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> Message: 1
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> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:39:27 -0700
>
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>
> To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
> Message-ID: <69788C3818704EA2AD385441D295280D@MCCOWNTECH.local>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> I remember all the grups being upset about Kennedy, but I didn?t
> understand the issue.
>
>
>
> From: James Howard
>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 2:35 PM
>
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
> Well?? that is a lifelong issue for some people.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 3:15 PM
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
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> Cc: Chuck McCown 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was still probably crapping in my pants back then.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
>
>
>
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 1:05 PM
>
>
>
> To: af@af.afmug.com
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm close to the same age as Ken, and I saw him on the garssy knoll.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bpOn 12/14/2020 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>
>
>   One case is actually still in court.
>
>
>
>   In one case in Pennsylvania they were granted a court order saying they
> had to allow observers closer than 6 feet, but they lost that that one on
> appeal.
>
>
>
>   Roughly 50 other cases were dismissed.  Some were due to lack of
> standing, some because the court felt it couldn't provide the relief being
> asked for, some for being moot, some because the evidence was insufficient.
>
>
>
>   In the famous "Release the Kraken" case, the judge responded that you
> have affidavits from people swearing that they believe something could have
> happened, not saying they actually saw something.  Belief that something
> could have happened is not evidence that it did.  Like I believe Ken Hohhof
> is old enough to be the second gunman on the grassy knoll.  I could swear
> to that in an affidavit, but that's not evidence that he shot JFK.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   On 12/14/2020 2:52 PM, Chuck Macenski wrote:
>
>
>
> Didn't they go to court in the states and lose?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:45 PM Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>   " I think the argument your making (and correct me if I'm wrong) is
> that they won't feel like they really lost unless they get to make their
> arguments in a courtroom and THEN lose.  I'm saying they'll feel like they
> didn't really lose no matter what,"
>
>
>
>   Yes. but its separating the Tim McVeighs from the Housewife Bettys.
>
>
>
>   So you have something like 80 percent of the trump voters thinking
> he was robbed (oddly enough a CNN poll showed 10 percent of democrat voters
> agreeing). Of that 80 percent, there probably 25 percent youre not going to
> get to ever listen to anything, theyre the ones who know alex jones is
> garbage but still listen to him, they also believe theres a pizza joint
> selling child sex slaves to rich people, theyre as bad as the cult of left
> 25 percent that still believe the russian c

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I spent 3 years on a 1-week assignment in Nashville. I could not
  believe the heat+humidity there. It was so oppressive. I felt so
  sorry for the folks who have to live there full time. Maybe you
  get used to it, but it was not for me.


bp

On 12/14/2020 7:11 PM, Craig House
  wrote:


  
  
Humidity  who cares.  I live in Missouri where we get the
  same humidity but without a beach.  Never been to Panama but
  I've been to Guatemala, Belize, Mexico (mostly the Yucatan
  area), most of the Caribbean islands, and I love the islands
  but I've been taking Spanish lessons trying to get fluent. 
  Not easy to do in a state that speaks fluent hick and not much
  else.



From: "Jaime Solorza"
  
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:05:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share




  Our neighbor Larry Brent  moved to Panama
three years ago.  He has a real nice place by a beach...he
is a ladies man so he is having a great time. He had to
adjust from El Paso Spanglish to Panamanian style.
He rents his house in case he decides to
  come back but loves the weather, his bike rides and the
  food.  Doesn't hurt that he retired a millionaire from
  sale of his business ..
My sister lived in Panama when she worked
  for one of those three letter guvement agencies as a
  forensic accountant ...she liked it except for humidity...


  
  
  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:57 PM Jaime Solorza
  
  wrote:


  San Miguel Allende
  
  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:55 PM Craig House
  
  wrote:


  

  I used to be an optimist.  Now I'm a
realist.  Just glad I'm close to retirement.  If
I can still stand to for another 5 years, I'll
continue to work.  If not, I'll find a beach in
Mexico or Belize or some other laid back central
American country that welcomes expats and spend
the rest of my days watching waves and the cute
margarita delivery girls.
  
  
  From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"

Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:50:13
PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not
to share
  
  
  I am over it.  I am an optimist and it is all
good.  I love America and really all the other
nations I have visited.  However they eat far
too much meat in the Balkins.

Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Craig
House 
wrote:

  


  If I want to witness Americans
bickering with other Americans I can look at
any Covid post or local tv channel post or
any anti vaxer post or any political post
and see a bunch of snowflake crybabies from
both sides trashing each other.  I’m pretty
tired of it from both sides.  Too me it
seems like there is so much division and
both sides are so entrenched in their belief
that the other side is fabricating stories.
  Maybe at this point the only way to
coexist is as two separate countries. 
Honestly I don’t see either side “getting
over it”

Sent from my iPhone

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Linear circuits are (is?) an under-appreciated art.

bp

On 12/14/2020 7:23 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
My hero was Bob Widlar, who retired to
  Puerto Vallarta at age 33.  I seem to remember companies like
  National Semiconductor would pay him as a consultant for
  occasional ideas scribbled on bar napkins.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Widlar
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Jaime
Solorza
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 9:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

 

  Our neighbor Larry Brent  moved to Panama
three years ago.  He has a real nice place by a beach...he
is a ladies man so he is having a great time. He had to
adjust from El Paso Spanglish to Panamanian style.
  
He rents his house in case he decides
  to come back but loves the weather, his bike rides and the
  food.  Doesn't hurt that he retired a millionaire from
  sale of his business ..
  
  
My sister lived in Panama when she
  worked for one of those three letter guvement agencies as
  a forensic accountant ...she liked it except for
  humidity...
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:57 PM Jaime
  Solorza 
  wrote:
  
  

  San Miguel Allende

 

  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:55 PM Craig
  House 
  wrote:
  
  

  

  I
  used to be an optimist.  Now I'm a realist. 
  Just glad I'm close to retirement.  If I can
  still stand to for another 5 years, I'll
  continue to work.  If not, I'll find a beach
  in Mexico or Belize or some other laid back
  central American country that welcomes expats
  and spend the rest of my days watching waves
  and the cute margarita delivery girls.


   




  From:
  "AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
  Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020
  8:50:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not
  to share


   


  I
  am over it.  I am an optimist and it is all
  good.  I love America and really all the other
  nations I have visited.  However they eat far
  too much meat in the Balkins.
  
Sent
from my iPhone
  
  
 

  On
  Dec 14, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Craig House 
  wrote:

  
  

  If
  I want to witness Americans bickering with
  other Americans I can look at any Covid
  post or local tv channel post or any anti
  vaxer post or any political post and see a
  bunch of snowflake crybabies from both
  sides trashing each other.  I’m pretty
  tired of it from both sides.  Too me it
  seems like there is so much division and
  both sides are so entrenched in their
  belief that the other side is fabricating
  stories.   Maybe at this point the only
  way to coexist is as two separate

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jaime Solorza]

Karma dude karma
All in fun

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 7:22 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> No, jaime's giving me shit cause I gave him 4 years of shit when lent
> wasnt enforced.
> This is mostly 2 kids shooting spitballs across the room.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:17 PM Craig House 
> wrote:
>
>> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this
>> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
>> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
>> look at the content.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
>> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
>> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
>> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
>> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
>> actually posting those on this list.
>>
>> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Ha!
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jaime Solorza]

Another good one .

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think
> we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
> hoping it will not be needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>
> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this
> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
> look at the content.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Steve Jones]

[image: dimsumdimwit.jpg]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Another good one .
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>>
>>
>>
>> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I
>> think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
>> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
>> hoping it will not be needed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this
>> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
>> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
>> look at the content.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
>> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
>> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
>> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
>> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
>> actually posting those on this list.
>>
>> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Ha!
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[AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

[Nate Burke]

Went to home depot to buy a $4 utility knife.  Checking out required a cashier 
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Re: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I don't go into HD any more. I order online, with text
  notification. They text me, I drive into the curbside pickup and
  jingle them via their web app. Wait a couple minutes, and they
  load whatever it is into the back of the truck and I drive away.
  It is so much faster I can hardly believe it.


bp

On 12/15/2020 8:58 AM, Nate Burke
  wrote:


  
  Went to home depot to buy a $4 utility knife. Checking out
  required a cashier override, and a birthdate entry. I looked at
  the cashier questionly and she shrugged and said "new corona virus
  regulation, have to be 18 to buy anything with a
  blade"...
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Steve Jones]

[image: image.png]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: dimsumdimwit.jpg]
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Another good one .
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>>
 Right after Trump is inaugurated?



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share



 I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.



 On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

 There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I
 think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
 without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
 hoping it will not be needed.

 Sent from my iPhone



 On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
 wrote:

 I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in
 this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
 equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
 look at the content.

 Sent from my iPhone



 On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:

 

 My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
 asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
 "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
 experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
 them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
 actually posting those on this list.

 We're all grown-assed adults here.



 On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

 Ha!



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Re: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

[James Howard]

But did you have to show an ID?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

Went to home depot to buy a $4 utility knife. Checking out required a cashier 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jaime Solorza]

James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> [image: image.png]
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: dimsumdimwit.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Another good one .

 On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I
> think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
> hoping it will not be needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
> wrote:
>
> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in
> this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
> look at the content.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they 
> are
> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
> actually posting those on this list.
>
> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Ha!
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Re: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Me too.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 10:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

I don't go into HD any more. I order online, with text notification. They text 
me, I drive into the curbside pickup and jingle them via their web app. Wait a 
couple minutes, and they load whatever it is into the back of the truck and I 
drive away. It is so much faster I can hardly believe it.



bp
On 12/15/2020 8:58 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  Went to home depot to buy a $4 utility knife. Checking out required a cashier 
override, and a birthdate entry. I looked at the cashier questionly and she 
shrugged and said "new corona virus regulation, have to be 18 to buy anything 
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[AFMUG] SpaceX RDOF boondoggle?

[Ken Hohhof]

I forget who was complaining that SpaceX was getting RDOF money to serve
areas like universities and airports, but FreePress is complaining about the
same thing.

 

Keep in mind this is FreePress, which likes criticizing Internet policy a
lot.  Also winners still have to submit their long forms.

 

https://www.freepress.net/our-response/expert-analysis/insights-opinions/bro
adband-boondoggle-ajit-pais-886m-gift-elon-musk

 

I also saw that a WV senator was objecting money to Frontier which she said
was not competent to deliver gigabit service in her state.

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Re: [AFMUG] SpaceX RDOF boondoggle?

[Matt Hoppes]

That was myself that was complaining about that. Creative, yes. Legitimate, I 
guess that’s yet to be seen.

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> I forget who was complaining that SpaceX was getting RDOF money to serve 
> areas like universities and airports, but FreePress is complaining about the 
> same thing.
>  
> Keep in mind this is FreePress, which likes criticizing Internet policy a 
> lot.  Also winners still have to submit their long forms.
>  
> https://www.freepress.net/our-response/expert-analysis/insights-opinions/broadband-boondoggle-ajit-pais-886m-gift-elon-musk
>  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Steve Jones]

There went some more synapse

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
> Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: dimsumdimwit.jpg]

 On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Another good one .
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>> Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>>
>>
>>
>> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I
>> think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to 
>> continue
>> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
>> hoping it will not be needed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in
>> this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems 
>> with
>> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
>> look at the content.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
>> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
>> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they 
>> are
>> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke 
>> at
>> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
>> actually posting those on this list.
>>
>> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Ha!
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Dis virus be outta control

[Mathew Howard]

Well, I suppose that makes sense...

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:59 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Went to home depot to buy a $4 utility knife. Checking out required a
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[James Howard]

There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone ask 
them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually 
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever try to get 
in…..   it was in Texas…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
[cid:image004.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

There went some more synapse

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image005.png@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image006.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another good one .

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Right after Trump is inaugurated?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it 
will not be needed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email  
group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list.

We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ha!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of democrats.


bp

On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
There you go jumping to conclusions just
  like the media did.  Did anyone ask them if they are not
  allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually
  banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that
  ever try to get in…..   it was in Texas…..
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of 
  Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
  

 

  Typical...guess correct spelling is part
of their agenda.
  
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
  

 

  
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James
  Howard  wrote:
  
  

  

 

  
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to
  share
  

 

  There
went some more synapse

 

  
On
  Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:
  
  

  James
Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about
politics.
  
Probably
  watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.
  
  
 
  

 

  
On
  Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  
  

  

 

  
On
  Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime
  Solorza 
  wrote:
  
  
 

  
On
  Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones
  
  wrote:
  
  

  

 

  
On
  Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime
  Solorza 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Another
  good one .
  
   
  

  On
Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM
James Howard 
wrote:


  

  Right
  after Trump is
  inaugurated?
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I agree with that. While many (most?) commenters are marveling at
  the huge voter turnout, it should be noted that an approximate 80
  million chose to sit out this election.
There is probably an opportunity in there somewhere for anyone
  who can figure out how to get these people out from under their
  rocks.


bp

On 12/14/2020 6:26 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  I think you underestimate the apathy of most
Americans
  
  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:55 PM
  Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  Scotus is unique in that they arent elected,
they ha e a wide berth of discretion, they are the literal
last line prior to violent engagement. So, say the feds want
to add a tea tax on Massachusetts. Massachusetts says hey,
I'm harmed by this. Without a hearing the court says, nope,
no merit. Massachusetts says, hey now, we really think you
should hear us out.
Discretion being the key.


We are at the point of a harbor being a tea
  kettle in close to 40 million of the most heavily armed
  people on the planets minds . Whether what they think is
  real, or make believe, it is what it is, and their
  communications have been forced out of the public's
  surveillance, so you never know what they're going to do
  next. They're not the kind who wear black clothes, masks,
  and disappear right after they do something cowardly like
  beat an old man in a wheelchair. They also believe the
  italian guy pretending to be latino wasnt kidding.


Either way
  
  
  
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:19
  PM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  
I'm not exactly clear as to the train of thought,
  or even what case/issue the SC should hear out.  The
  "case" argued in public is nothing like anything
  presented in any court.  It isn't like Trump's
  lawyers weren't given an opportunity.  Q.  Are you
  alleging fraud?  A.  No.  Well OK then.  You can't
  then go to the PA supreme court and allege fraud. 
  When the PA supreme court declines to let you, you
  can't go to the SC and do the same.  They will rightly
  tell you to pound sand.  This basic script played out
  over and over again.   


  On Mon, Dec 14, 2020
at 3:49 PM Adam Moffett 
wrote:
  
  

  If I'm following Steve's train of thought: he's
saying giving the issue a day in court might
convince some people that justice was done more
effectively than simply dismissing the case.  An
independent judiciary shouldn't have to consider
political angles like that.  The cases are being
dismissed because they lack standing and/or lack
merit.  If that doesn't convince people, then
neither would taking the case to court and
losing it.  
  
  
  
  

  

  

  

  


  

  

  

  

  

  


  


  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[James Howard]

That makes no sense.  That would be a democratcrate.  It’s clearly a crate of 
demos.  Those come in many forms but if they are referring to demolition 
materials it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t allow them.  People really 
need to chill out……

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share


Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of democrats.



bp


On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone ask 
them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually 
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever try to get 
in…..   it was in Texas…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
[cid:image004.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

There went some more synapse

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image005.png@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image006.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another good one .

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Right after Trump is inaugurated?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it 
will not be needed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email  
group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list.

We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ha!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Oh. I completely misconstrued that. A democrate must be full of
  sledge hammers and crow bars (and other tools of demolition?


bp

On 12/15/2020 11:15 AM, James Howard
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
That makes no sense.  That would be a
  democratcrate.  It’s clearly a crate of demos.  Those come in
  many forms but if they are referring to demolition materials
  it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t allow them.  People
  really need to chill out……
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of 
  Bill Prince
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:07 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
  

 
Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of
  democrats.
 
bp


  On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard
wrote:


  There you go jumping to conclusions just
like the media did.  Did anyone ask them if they are not
allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that
ever try to get in…..   it was in Texas…..
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

  
   
  
Typical...guess correct spelling is
  part of their agenda.

  https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

  
   
  

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James
Howard 
wrote:


  

  
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to
share

  
   
  
There
  went some more synapse
  
   
  

  On
Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


  
James
  Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about
  politics.

  Probably
watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


   

  
   
  

  On
Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:


  

  
   
  

  On
Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime
Solorza 
wrote:


   
  

  On
Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve
Jones 
wrote:


  

  
   
  

  On
Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM
Jaime Solorza 
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Robert Andrews]

Like not doing voter suppression?

On 12/15/2020 11:12 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
I agree with that. While many (most?) commenters are marveling at the 
huge voter turnout, it should be noted that an approximate 80 million 
chose to sit out this election.


There is probably an opportunity in there somewhere for anyone who can 
figure out how to get these people out from under their rocks.



bp


On 12/14/2020 6:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I think you underestimate the apathy of most Americans

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:55 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Scotus is unique in that they arent elected, they ha e a wide
berth of discretion, they are the literal last line prior to
violent engagement. So, say the feds want to add a tea tax on
Massachusetts. Massachusetts says hey, I'm harmed by this. Without
a hearing the court says, nope, no merit. Massachusetts says, hey
now, we really think you should hear us out.
Discretion being the key.

We are at the point of a harbor being a tea kettle in close to 40
million of the most heavily armed people on the planets minds .
Whether what they think is real, or make believe, it is what it
is, and their communications have been forced out of the public's
surveillance, so you never know what they're going to do next.
They're not the kind who wear black clothes, masks, and disappear
right after they do something cowardly like beat an old man in a
wheelchair. They also believe the italian guy pretending to be
latino wasnt kidding.

Either way

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:19 PM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:

I'm not exactly clear as to the train of thought, or even what
case/issue the SC should hear out.  The "case" argued in
public is nothing like anything presented in any court.  It
isn't like Trump's lawyers weren't given an opportunity.  Q. 
Are you alleging fraud?  A.  No.  Well OK then.  You can't

then go to the PA supreme court and allege fraud. When the PA
supreme court declines to let you, you can't go to the SC and
do the same.  They will rightly tell you to pound sand.  This
basic script played out over and over again.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If I'm following Steve's train of thought: he's saying
giving the issue a day in court might convince some people
that justice was done more effectively than simply
dismissing the case.  An independent judiciary shouldn't
have to consider political angles like that.  The cases
are being dismissed because they lack standing and/or lack
merit.  If that doesn't convince people, then neither
would taking the case to court and losing it.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Jaime Solorza]

You MAGAites have destroyed the Republican Party.  Poor Ronald Reagan is
spinning in hyperdrive inside his coffin!
Not a word you can say will ever disprove my claim that Trump was never
ever fit to be president. The facts are on my side.
Look how you MAGAites turned on Moscow Mitch, which you call Cocaine Mitch
..I am enjoying this so much after four years of pure Bullshit.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/12/magas-turn-quickly-and-viciously-on-mitch-mcconnell-as-a-deep-state-traitor-for-congratulating-biden/

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:05 PM James Howard  wrote:

> There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone
> ask them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are
> actually banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever
> try to get in…..   it was in Texas…..
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
>
>
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> There went some more synapse
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
>
> Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Another good one .
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think
> we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
> hoping it will not be needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>
> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this
> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
> look at the content.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
> actually posting those on this list.
>
> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Ha!
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[James Howard]

See, now that makes sense.  If on the other hand you were correct and it is a 
box full of democrats…….  Well, who would want a whole box of them in an 
appliance store?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share


Oh. I completely misconstrued that. A democrate must be full of sledge hammers 
and crow bars (and other tools of demolition?



bp


On 12/15/2020 11:15 AM, James Howard wrote:
That makes no sense.  That would be a democratcrate.  It’s clearly a crate of 
demos.  Those come in many forms but if they are referring to demolition 
materials it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t allow them.  People really 
need to chill out……

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share


Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of democrats.



bp


On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone ask 
them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually 
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever try to get 
in…..   it was in Texas…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
[cid:image004.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

There went some more synapse

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image005.png@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
[cid:image006.jpg@01D6D2DB.7BA351E0]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another good one .

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Right after Trump is inaugurated?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it 
will not be needed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email  
group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list.

We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ha!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Best explanation for the last 4 years is that Mitch (and a couple
  others) were manipulating him behind the scene. He is easy to bend
  to your will if you know what buttons to push. Pretty sure Putin,
  Xi, and even Kim had figured out that formula.


bp

On 12/15/2020 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  You MAGAites have destroyed the Republican Party. 
Poor Ronald Reagan is spinning in hyperdrive inside his coffin! 
Not a word you can say will ever disprove my
  claim that Trump was never ever fit to be president. The facts
  are on my side.
Look how you MAGAites turned on Moscow Mitch,
  which you call Cocaine Mitch ..I am enjoying this so much
  after four years of pure Bullshit.


https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/12/magas-turn-quickly-and-viciously-on-mitch-mcconnell-as-a-deep-state-traitor-for-congratulating-biden/

  
  
  
On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:05 PM
  James Howard  wrote:


  

  There you go jumping to conclusions
just like the media did.  Did anyone ask them if they
are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are
actually banning all crates but the demo ones are the
only kind that ever try to get in…..   it was in
Texas…..
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to
share

  
   
  
Typical...guess correct spelling is
  part of their agenda.

  https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

  
   
  

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM
James Howard 
wrote:


  

  
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020
12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny
not to share

  
   
  
There went some more
  synapse
  
   
  

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020,
11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


  
James Wood is a craven
  lackey and nescient about politics.

  Probably watches Qnon
station and reads Briebart.


   

  
   
  

  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020,
10:04 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:


  

  
   
  

  On Tue, Dec 15,
2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


   
  

  On Tue, Dec
15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Jaime, you do realize that only about 1% of republicans are bat shit crazy like 
this, right?  
Just like the 2% of demos that love AOC and socializm.  The party is fine.  
Everything will be fine.

The media likes to focus only on the extremes.  You can always find an ignorant 
redneck proudboy to spout some stupid crap for the camera.  Just like you can 
always find a “by any means necessary” Malcom X acolyte ranting about killing 
all the whities.  The news media is in the entertainment business.  It is sad 
the some folks believe the crap they peddle.


It does not matter if someone if fit or not fit (statements of opinions, not 
facts), if they can get the votes they get the job.
He got the job, so he was judged fit by about half the country.  Or at least 
they hoped “fit enough”.  

Let’s hope we don’t choose any more TV personalities for president in the 
future unless it is someone like Alex Trebek.  

In the end, if republicans cannot hold a majority of legislatures, governor 
seats and the occasional half of congress, then yes, perhaps the party was 
ruined.  But so far, they are actually picking up steam.  We have more 
republicans in the house now than before the election.  Doesn’t seem likely if 
the party was ruined.  

I ignore superbole and hyperbole and superlatives when it comes to this kind of 
rhetoric.  Lots of shades of gray.  Lots of middle ground with lots of 
perfectly sane lovely people there.  



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

You MAGAites have destroyed the Republican Party.  Poor Ronald Reagan is 
spinning in hyperdrive inside his coffin!  
Not a word you can say will ever disprove my claim that Trump was never ever 
fit to be president. The facts are on my side.
Look how you MAGAites turned on Moscow Mitch, which you call Cocaine Mitch ..I 
am enjoying this so much after four years of pure Bullshit.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2020/12/magas-turn-quickly-and-viciously-on-mitch-mcconnell-as-a-deep-state-traitor-for-congratulating-biden/


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 12:05 PM James Howard  wrote:

  There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone ask 
them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually 
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever try to get 
in…..   it was in Texas…..



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share



  Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.

  
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen



  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard  wrote:





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share



There went some more synapse



On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.

  Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.





  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:





On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:



  On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:





On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Another good one .



  On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  
wrote:

Right after Trump is inaugurated?



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve 
Jones
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share



I figure around Jan 22 lent begins. 



On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

  There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years. 
 But I think we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to 
continue without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I 
am hoping it will not be needed.

  Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
 wrote:

I thought There used to be a policy against any political 
posts in this email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems 
with equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even 
look at the content.  

Sent from my iPhone



  On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

   

  My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a 
l

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Not all Texans are idiots

[Carl Peterson]

Brad Parscale did an amazing job of doing this (re getting people out from
under their rocks).  Killer voter identification and turnout operation.
Pretty much done the same way you would run a local election except with
lots of data and on a national level.  They knew their voters and they knew
they were going to turn out.  The problem was that they thought they were
expanding their universe while the Democrats were working with the same
universe.  Classic mistake.  That's  not to say the Dems ran a good
operation, it was crap, but Trump's dislike numbers are so high he drove
turnout of people to vote against him.  If the Democrats were smart they
would put AOC in charge for 2022.  She knows how to run a campaign.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 1:13 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I agree with that. While many (most?) commenters are marveling at the huge
> voter turnout, it should be noted that an approximate 80 million chose to
> sit out this election.
>
> There is probably an opportunity in there somewhere for anyone who can
> figure out how to get these people out from under their rocks.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/14/2020 6:26 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I think you underestimate the apathy of most Americans
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Scotus is unique in that they arent elected, they ha e a wide berth of
>> discretion, they are the literal last line prior to violent engagement. So,
>> say the feds want to add a tea tax on Massachusetts. Massachusetts says
>> hey, I'm harmed by this. Without a hearing the court says, nope, no merit.
>> Massachusetts says, hey now, we really think you should hear us out.
>> Discretion being the key.
>>
>> We are at the point of a harbor being a tea kettle in close to 40 million
>> of the most heavily armed people on the planets minds . Whether what they
>> think is real, or make believe, it is what it is, and their communications
>> have been forced out of the public's surveillance, so you never know what
>> they're going to do next. They're not the kind who wear black clothes,
>> masks, and disappear right after they do something cowardly like beat an
>> old man in a wheelchair. They also believe the italian guy pretending to be
>> latino wasnt kidding.
>>
>> Either way
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 4:19 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not exactly clear as to the train of thought, or even what
>>> case/issue the SC should hear out.  The "case" argued in public is nothing
>>> like anything presented in any court.  It isn't like Trump's
>>> lawyers weren't given an opportunity.  Q.  Are you alleging fraud?  A.
>>> No.  Well OK then.  You can't then go to the PA supreme court and allege
>>> fraud.  When the PA supreme court declines to let you, you can't go to the
>>> SC and do the same.  They will rightly tell you to pound sand.  This basic
>>> script played out over and over again.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 3:49 PM Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If I'm following Steve's train of thought: he's saying giving the issue
 a day in court might convince some people that justice was done more
 effectively than simply dismissing the case.  An independent judiciary
 shouldn't have to consider political angles like that.  The cases are being
 dismissed because they lack standing and/or lack merit.  If that doesn't
 convince people, then neither would taking the case to court and losing
 it.



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Re: [AFMUG] bounces

[Carl Peterson]

Are you sure it is from today not yesterday morning while Google was out?
P.S.  This is "gmail" or at least hosted by Google.

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Gmail is broken in a very bottom level.  It is rejecting accounts with a 
no account name here error which will keep resends from happening.  They 
have a serious problem ongoing.


On 12/15/2020 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Huge amount of bounces going on.  I put in a ticket with the guy that 
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due to the bounces.  Not sure what could have changed.  Looks like it is 
all stuff going to gmail.





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[James Howard]

Oh come on.  Clearly we need to blame Steve and Jaime for getting the list 
blocked by gmail.  Where's your sense of propriety?

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bounces

Gmail is broken in a very bottom level. It is rejecting accounts with a
no account name here error which will keep resends from happening. They
have a serious problem ongoing.

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> hosts this list serv. Hundreds of emails not getting out to you guys
> due to the bounces. Not sure what could have changed. Looks like it is
> all stuff going to gmail.
>
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Bad problems today with gmail.  But those of you with the probably are probably 
not going to see this.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[Steve Jones]

You guys are idiots

Democrates was the philosopher cousin of Socrates.

Hes not welcome there because he postulated that cousins should not have
relations because a brothers daughter should be reserved for the father,
not the son to ensure the order of superiority.

Lern yer histury

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:20 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Oh. I completely misconstrued that. A democrate must be full of sledge
> hammers and crow bars (and other tools of demolition?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/15/2020 11:15 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> That makes no sense.  That would be a democratcrate.  It’s clearly a crate
> of demos.  Those come in many forms but if they are referring to demolition
> materials it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t allow them.  People
> really need to chill out……
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of * Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:07 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of democrats.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone
> ask them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are
> actually banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever
> try to get in…..   it was in Texas…..
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
>
>
> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> There went some more synapse
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
>
> Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Another good one .
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> Right after Trump is inaugurated?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share
>
>
>
> I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think
> we are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue
> without restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am
> hoping it will not be needed.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House  wrote:
>
> I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this
> email  group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with
> equipment and networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even
> look at the content.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> 
>
> My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an
> asshole, but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the
> "Democrats are communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are
> experiencing an undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at
> them. None of the right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is
> actually posting those on this list.
>
> We're all grown-assed adults here.
>
>
>
> On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Ha!
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

[James Howard]

Wow…  southern culture sure is interesting.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 3:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

You guys are idiots

Democrates was the philosopher cousin of Socrates.

Hes not welcome there because he postulated that cousins should not have 
relations because a brothers daughter should be reserved for the father, not 
the son to ensure the order of superiority.

Lern yer histury

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 1:20 PM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Oh. I completely misconstrued that. A democrate must be full of sledge hammers 
and crow bars (and other tools of demolition?



bp


On 12/15/2020 11:15 AM, James Howard wrote:
That makes no sense.  That would be a democratcrate.  It’s clearly a crate of 
demos.  Those come in many forms but if they are referring to demolition 
materials it’s easy to understand why they wouldn’t allow them.  People really 
need to chill out……

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:07 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share


Someone explained that a democrate is a box full of democrats.



bp


On 12/15/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
There you go jumping to conclusions just like the media did.  Did anyone ask 
them if they are not allowing other types of crates?  Maybe they are actually 
banning all crates but the demo ones are the only kind that ever try to get 
in…..   it was in Texas…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

Typical...guess correct spelling is part of their agenda.
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEEa_QYInZRqf37VQEVf4tXcqMwgEKioIACIQEk6K8sD1FNz_pDwmBxqftioUCAoiEBJOivLA9RTc_6Q8Jgcan7YwwdbHBg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:13 AM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

There went some more synapse

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 11:19 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
James Wood is a craven lackey and nescient about politics.
Probably watches Qnon station and reads Briebart.


On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 10:04 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:50 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 9:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Another good one .

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:06 PM James Howard 
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:
Right after Trump is inaugurated?

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2020 8:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Too funny not to share

I figure around Jan 22 lent begins.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 8:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
There was a period of Lent that lasted for more than 3 years.  But I think we 
are mostly behaving ourselves ( all but Steve).  Like to continue without 
restrictions if we can.  We can always invoke Lent again but I am hoping it 
will not be needed.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 7:16 PM, Craig House 
mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
I thought There used to be a policy against any political posts in this email  
group.  I miss the days this list was useful for problems with equipment and 
networks.  These days 95% of emails I delete before I even look at the content.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2020, at 20:08, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


My brothers are in the Trump camp.  They thought he was a liar and an asshole, 
but voted for him anyway because they've bought into the "Democrats are 
communists" story.  They're not crying as such, but they are experiencing an 
undue amount of anger.  It's not actually funny to poke at them. None of the 
right-wing hate memes are funny either, but nobody is actually posting those on 
this list.

We're all grown-assed adults here.


On 12/14/2020 8:24 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Ha!

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Re: [AFMUG] bounces

[Steve Jones]

Something has changed, filters are putting afmug in inbox

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:44 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Are you sure it is from today not yesterday morning while Google was out?
> P.S.  This is "gmail" or at least hosted by Google.
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Huge amount of bounces going on.  I put in a ticket with the guy that
>> hosts this list serv.  Hundreds of emails not getting out to you guys due
>> to the bounces.  Not sure what could have changed.  Looks like it is all
>> stuff going to gmail.
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Re: [AFMUG] bounces

[Carl Peterson]

Same here re inbox.  Now I'm not going to be able to get any work done.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:56 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Something has changed, filters are putting afmug in inbox
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 2:44 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure it is from today not yesterday morning while Google was
>> out?  P.S.  This is "gmail" or at least hosted by Google.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Huge amount of bounces going on.  I put in a ticket with the guy that
>>> hosts this list serv.  Hundreds of emails not getting out to you guys due
>>> to the bounces.  Not sure what could have changed.  Looks like it is all
>>> stuff going to gmail.
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[AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID Z8H89FT0062 Application Processed : Cambium Networks Inc. for New Equipment

[Colin Stanners]

Coming out... by why does a radio need 512MB RAM (if my reading of the RAM
chips is correct)?

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for New Equipment
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FCC ID Application Processed For Cambium Networks Inc. for New Equipment.
FCC ID Z8H89FT0062

Equipment: ePMP 5 GHz Force 425 SM / ePMP 5 GHz Force 400C
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Re: [AFMUG] bounces

[Ken Hohhof]

https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/15/gmail-is-a-little-broken-right-now-one-day
-after-a-massive-outage-errors/

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:47 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bounces

Gmail is broken in a very bottom level.  It is rejecting accounts with a no
account name here error which will keep resends from happening.  They have a
serious problem ongoing.

On 12/15/2020 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Huge amount of bounces going on.  I put in a ticket with the guy that 
> hosts this list serv.  Hundreds of emails not getting out to you guys 
> due to the bounces.  Not sure what could have changed.  Looks like it 
> is all stuff going to gmail.
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[AFMUG] OT - Mayor Pete joke

[Ken Hohhof]

My son just told me Biden chose Pete Buttigieg as Transportation Secretary
because he was a Roads Scholar.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mayor Pete joke

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Took me a moment.  Grin...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> My son just told me Biden chose Pete Buttigieg as Transportation Secretary 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Steve Jones]

How does Microsoft wield the authority to take over domains?

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:58 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Wow
> I wonder if Orion allowed disabling the quality improvement. I always
> disable it on anything that let's me.
> I'm not quite sure why fire eye still is leading this charge, it's kind of
> like letting a leper check your prostate
>
> https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/12/evasive-attacker-leverages-solarwinds-supply-chain-compromises-with-sunburst-backdoor.html
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Lol, doublecheck for what though?
>>
>>
>> So now fireye says it was solar wind hacking that breached them
>>
>>
>> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/14/fireeye-solarwinds-hack-breach-cybersecurity-attack/6538645002/
>>
>> Granted I doubt USA today "journalists" know much about what they're
>> writing about.
>>
>> This makes the "russia did it" claims on fireye part even more suspect,
>> since they dont have the forensics of solar wind, unless they are the
>> security of solar wind.
>>
>> This is going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out.
>>
>> I dont think most in the media realize this isnt a read only thing. The
>> Orion components we were looking at required write access and
>> administrative credentials. And that's a tiny podunk wisp.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:08 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Lots of stuff runs under Orion.
>>>
>>> Application Centric Monitor (ACM)
>>>
>>> Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)
>>>
>>> Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)
>>>
>>> High Availability (HA)
>>>
>>> IP Address Manager (IPAM)
>>>
>>> Log Analyzer (LA)
>>>
>>> Network Automation Manager (NAM)
>>>
>>> Network Configuration Manager (NCM)
>>>
>>> Network Operations Manager (NOM)
>>>
>>> Network Performance Monitor (NPM)
>>>
>>> Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)
>>>
>>> Server & Application Monitor (SAM)
>>>
>>> Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)
>>>
>>> Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)
>>>
>>> User Device Tracker (UDT)
>>>
>>> Virtualization Manager (VMAN)
>>>
>>> VoIP & Network Quality Manager (VNQM)
>>>
>>> Web Performance Monitor (WPM)
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're running any of those, double check your network asap.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Their sales folks are definitely aggressive.  At least its currently
 only limited (known) to two Orion platforms. Im really concerned about
 this: "...and intended to be a narrow, extremely targeted, and manually
 executed attack..." what does manually executed mean? Like some dude stuck
 a USB key in the DOS box running their whole operation?


 SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion
 Platform v2020.2 with no hotfix or 2020.2 HF 1 to upgrade to Orion
 Platform version 2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible to ensure the security
 of your environment. This version is currently available at
 customerportal.solarwinds.com.



 SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion
 Platform v2019.4 HF 5 to update to 2019.4 HF 6, which will be
 available today, December 14, 2020, at customerportal.solarwinds.com.



 No other versions of Orion Platform products are known to be impacted
 by this security vulnerability. Other non-Orion products are also not known
 to be impacted by this security vulnerability.

 On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the
> Top 100 companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.
>
> I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even
> before this hack. Just add another reason to the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering
>> payloads since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to
>> interior infrastructures.
>>
>> Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye
>> isnt saying outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that
>> was how they were able to circumvent the solarwinds security
>> infrastructure, as solar winds relied on fireye?
>>
>> Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software?
>> Like if you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking 
>> your
>> google home account too? Imma be pretty pissed if they mess with my 
>> google
>> play playlists.
>>
>> I wonder if the disruptions with office365 and the weird spam filter
>> changes lately are related to cleanup prior to publication.
>>
>> We are a tiny company and got withing a hair of pulling the trigger
>> on various solarwinds offerings over the years. Thats with tiny company
>> tiny budget

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Ken Hohhof]

This article discusses the domain takeover.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

 

How does Microsoft wield the authority to take over domains?

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:58 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Wow

I wonder if Orion allowed disabling the quality improvement. I always disable 
it on anything that let's me. 

I'm not quite sure why fire eye still is leading this charge, it's kind of like 
letting a leper check your prostate

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/12/evasive-attacker-leverages-solarwinds-supply-chain-compromises-with-sunburst-backdoor.html

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:35 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lol, doublecheck for what though?

 

 

So now fireye says it was solar wind hacking that breached them

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/14/fireeye-solarwinds-hack-breach-cybersecurity-attack/6538645002/

 

Granted I doubt USA today "journalists" know much about what they're writing 
about.

 

This makes the "russia did it" claims on fireye part even more suspect, since 
they dont have the forensics of solar wind, unless they are the security of 
solar wind.

 

This is going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out.

 

I dont think most in the media realize this isnt a read only thing. The Orion 
components we were looking at required write access and administrative 
credentials. And that's a tiny podunk wisp.

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:08 PM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lots of stuff runs under Orion.

 

Application Centric Monitor (ACM)

Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)

Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)

High Availability (HA)

IP Address Manager (IPAM)

Log Analyzer (LA)

Network Automation Manager (NAM)

Network Configuration Manager (NCM)

Network Operations Manager (NOM)

Network Performance Monitor (NPM)

Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)

Server & Application Monitor (SAM)

Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)

Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)

User Device Tracker (UDT)

Virtualization Manager (VMAN)

VoIP & Network Quality Manager (VNQM)

Web Performance Monitor (WPM)

 

If you're running any of those, double check your network asap. 

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Their sales folks are definitely aggressive.  At least its currently only 
limited (known) to two Orion platforms. Im really concerned about this: "...and 
intended to be a narrow, extremely targeted, and manually executed attack..." 
what does manually executed mean? Like some dude stuck a USB key in the DOS box 
running their whole operation?

 

SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion Platform 
v2020.2 with no hotfix or 2020.2 HF 1 to upgrade to Orion Platform version 
2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible to ensure the security of your environment. 
This version is currently available at  
 customerportal.solarwinds.com. 

 

SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion Platform 
v2019.4 HF 5 to update to 2019.4 HF 6, which will be available today, December 
14, 2020, at   
customerportal.solarwinds.com. 

 

No other versions of Orion Platform products are known to be impacted by this 
security vulnerability. Other non-Orion products are also not known to be 
impacted by this security vulnerability. 

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the Top 100 
companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.

 

I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even before this 
hack. Just add another reason to the list.

 

 

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering payloads 
since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to interior 
infrastructures.

 

Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye isnt saying 
outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that was how they were 
able to circumvent the solarwinds security infrastructure, as solar winds 
relied on fireye?

 

Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software? Like if 
you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking your google home 
account too? Imma be pretty pissed if they mess with my google play playlists.

 

I wonder if the disruptions with office365 and the weird spam filter changes 
lately are related to cleanup prior to publication.

 

We are a tiny company and got withing a hair of pulling the trigger on various 
solarwin

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Steve Jones]

I still dont understand how a private company gets the authority. It's good
that someone does, but it defeats the concept of no direct ownership of
dns. I take great exception to microsoft or any firm being able to collect
any info that isnt immediately shared, victim identifying info excluded.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This article discusses the domain takeover.
>
>
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>
>
>
> How does Microsoft wield the authority to take over domains?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:58 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Wow
>
> I wonder if Orion allowed disabling the quality improvement. I always
> disable it on anything that let's me.
>
> I'm not quite sure why fire eye still is leading this charge, it's kind of
> like letting a leper check your prostate
>
>
> https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/12/evasive-attacker-leverages-solarwinds-supply-chain-compromises-with-sunburst-backdoor.html
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Lol, doublecheck for what though?
>
>
>
>
>
> So now fireye says it was solar wind hacking that breached them
>
>
>
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/14/fireeye-solarwinds-hack-breach-cybersecurity-attack/6538645002/
>
>
>
> Granted I doubt USA today "journalists" know much about what they're
> writing about.
>
>
>
> This makes the "russia did it" claims on fireye part even more suspect,
> since they dont have the forensics of solar wind, unless they are the
> security of solar wind.
>
>
>
> This is going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out.
>
>
>
> I dont think most in the media realize this isnt a read only thing. The
> Orion components we were looking at required write access and
> administrative credentials. And that's a tiny podunk wisp.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:08 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> Lots of stuff runs under Orion.
>
>
>
> Application Centric Monitor (ACM)
>
> Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)
>
> Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)
>
> High Availability (HA)
>
> IP Address Manager (IPAM)
>
> Log Analyzer (LA)
>
> Network Automation Manager (NAM)
>
> Network Configuration Manager (NCM)
>
> Network Operations Manager (NOM)
>
> Network Performance Monitor (NPM)
>
> Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)
>
> Server & Application Monitor (SAM)
>
> Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)
>
> Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)
>
> User Device Tracker (UDT)
>
> Virtualization Manager (VMAN)
>
> VoIP & Network Quality Manager (VNQM)
>
> Web Performance Monitor (WPM)
>
>
>
> If you're running any of those, double check your network asap.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Their sales folks are definitely aggressive.  At least its currently only
> limited (known) to two Orion platforms. Im really concerned about this:
> "...and intended to be a narrow, extremely targeted, and manually executed
> attack..." what does manually executed mean? Like some dude stuck a USB key
> in the DOS box running their whole operation?
>
>
>
> SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for *Orion
> Platform v2020.2 with no hotfix or 2020.2 HF 1* to upgrade to Orion
> Platform version 2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible to ensure the security
> of your environment. This version is currently available at
> customerportal.solarwinds.com.
>
>
>
> SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for *Orion
> Platform v2019.4 HF 5* to update to *2019.4 HF 6*, which will be
> available today, December 14, 2020, at customerportal.solarwinds.com.
>
>
>
> *No other versions of Orion Platform products are known to be impacted by
> this security vulnerability. Other non-Orion products are also not known to
> be impacted by this security vulnerability. *
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the Top
> 100 companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.
>
>
>
> I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even before
> this hack. Just add another reason to the list.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering
> payloads since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to
> interior infrastructures.
>
>
>
> Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye isnt saying
> outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that was how they
> were able to circumvent the solarwinds security infrastructure, as solar
> winds relied on fireye?
>
>
>
> Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software? Like
> if you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking your
> google home

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Ken Hohhof]

I think they’re saying what they do is go to a court or a government security 
agency.

 

The domain points to an IP address that is the command and control server for 
the malware.  They know the IP address, but I assume it’s important to take 
over the domain name so they can’t just change the IP address.  Many huge 
botnets have been shut down by taking over the domain name used for the C&C 
servers.  Those operations are almost always months long projects with 
government security agencies working with big companies like Microsoft.

 

You don’t always have to assume evil motives.  They aren’t trying to use the 
malware to snoop on people, they are trying to ID the compromised systems and 
notify the owners so they can do mitigation.  Don’t expect them to unearth a 
treasure trove of documents, it’s the Russians who probably got those.  You 
were hoping for Hillary’s emails, weren’t you.  And Jaime was hoping for 
Trump’s tax returns.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

 

I still dont understand how a private company gets the authority. It's good 
that someone does, but it defeats the concept of no direct ownership of dns. I 
take great exception to microsoft or any firm being able to collect any info 
that isnt immediately shared, victim identifying info excluded.

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:52 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This article discusses the domain takeover.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

 

How does Microsoft wield the authority to take over domains?

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:58 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Wow

I wonder if Orion allowed disabling the quality improvement. I always disable 
it on anything that let's me. 

I'm not quite sure why fire eye still is leading this charge, it's kind of like 
letting a leper check your prostate

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/12/evasive-attacker-leverages-solarwinds-supply-chain-compromises-with-sunburst-backdoor.html

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:35 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lol, doublecheck for what though?

 

 

So now fireye says it was solar wind hacking that breached them

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/14/fireeye-solarwinds-hack-breach-cybersecurity-attack/6538645002/

 

Granted I doubt USA today "journalists" know much about what they're writing 
about.

 

This makes the "russia did it" claims on fireye part even more suspect, since 
they dont have the forensics of solar wind, unless they are the security of 
solar wind.

 

This is going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out.

 

I dont think most in the media realize this isnt a read only thing. The Orion 
components we were looking at required write access and administrative 
credentials. And that's a tiny podunk wisp.

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:08 PM Ryan Ray mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Lots of stuff runs under Orion.

 

Application Centric Monitor (ACM)

Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)

Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)

High Availability (HA)

IP Address Manager (IPAM)

Log Analyzer (LA)

Network Automation Manager (NAM)

Network Configuration Manager (NCM)

Network Operations Manager (NOM)

Network Performance Monitor (NPM)

Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)

Server & Application Monitor (SAM)

Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)

Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)

User Device Tracker (UDT)

Virtualization Manager (VMAN)

VoIP & Network Quality Manager (VNQM)

Web Performance Monitor (WPM)

 

If you're running any of those, double check your network asap. 

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Their sales folks are definitely aggressive.  At least its currently only 
limited (known) to two Orion platforms. Im really concerned about this: "...and 
intended to be a narrow, extremely targeted, and manually executed attack..." 
what does manually executed mean? Like some dude stuck a USB key in the DOS box 
running their whole operation?

 

SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion Platform 
v2020.2 with no hotfix or 2020.2 HF 1 to upgrade to Orion Platform version 
2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible to ensure the security of your environment. 
This version is currently available at  
 customerportal.solarwinds.com. 

 

SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion Platform 
v2019.4 HF 5 to update to 2019.4 HF 6, which will be available today, December 
14, 2020, at   
customerportal.solar

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Steve Jones]

Yeah I read about the cname updates and all that. I dont think its
malicious, I just think it's odd that microsoft, or any single private
company  has an authority that technically no nation was supposed to have.
I assume somewhere in the bylaws was a mechanism to corral a troublesome
domain.

I have no faith this was Russia because fire eye says it was, they cant
even identify suspicious traffic leaving their own network, and that's
literally their purpose in life. We will never know the depth of this thing.

Saw another article that solarwinds update server was identified exposed
last year with an account password of solarwinds123. The article alluded
that that was likely the time of the initial hijack.

It's crazy to think the billions invested among the 18000 impacted
organizations on security and it was that thin of a wall between "us" and
"them". A critical component with single factor authentication and no
password complexity policy. Even my Casey's app wants multifactor
authentication now (sending the code to the same device logging in always
seems funny to me).

Ope

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 12:24 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I think they’re saying what they do is go to a court or a government
> security agency.
>
>
>
> The domain points to an IP address that is the command and control server
> for the malware.  They know the IP address, but I assume it’s important to
> take over the domain name so they can’t just change the IP address.  Many
> huge botnets have been shut down by taking over the domain name used for
> the C&C servers.  Those operations are almost always months long projects
> with government security agencies working with big companies like Microsoft.
>
>
>
> You don’t always have to assume evil motives.  They aren’t trying to use
> the malware to snoop on people, they are trying to ID the compromised
> systems and notify the owners so they can do mitigation.  Don’t expect them
> to unearth a treasure trove of documents, it’s the Russians who probably
> got those.  You were hoping for Hillary’s emails, weren’t you.  And Jaime
> was hoping for Trump’s tax returns.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 11:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>
>
>
> I still dont understand how a private company gets the authority. It's
> good that someone does, but it defeats the concept of no direct ownership
> of dns. I take great exception to microsoft or any firm being able to
> collect any info that isnt immediately shared, victim identifying info
> excluded.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020, 9:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> This article discusses the domain takeover.
>
>
> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/12/solarwinds-hack-could-affect-18k-customers/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:34 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>
>
>
> How does Microsoft wield the authority to take over domains?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 9:58 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Wow
>
> I wonder if Orion allowed disabling the quality improvement. I always
> disable it on anything that let's me.
>
> I'm not quite sure why fire eye still is leading this charge, it's kind of
> like letting a leper check your prostate
>
>
> https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/12/evasive-attacker-leverages-solarwinds-supply-chain-compromises-with-sunburst-backdoor.html
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:35 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Lol, doublecheck for what though?
>
>
>
>
>
> So now fireye says it was solar wind hacking that breached them
>
>
>
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/12/14/fireeye-solarwinds-hack-breach-cybersecurity-attack/6538645002/
>
>
>
> Granted I doubt USA today "journalists" know much about what they're
> writing about.
>
>
>
> This makes the "russia did it" claims on fireye part even more suspect,
> since they dont have the forensics of solar wind, unless they are the
> security of solar wind.
>
>
>
> This is going to be a fascinating thing to watch play out.
>
>
>
> I dont think most in the media realize this isnt a read only thing. The
> Orion components we were looking at required write access and
> administrative credentials. And that's a tiny podunk wisp.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, 2:08 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> Lots of stuff runs under Orion.
>
>
>
> Application Centric Monitor (ACM)
>
> Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)
>
> Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)
>
> High Availability (HA)
>
> IP Address Manager (IPAM)
>
> Log Analyzer (LA)
>
> Network Automation Manager (NAM)
>
> Network Configuration Manager (NCM)
>
> Network Operations Manager (NOM)
>
> Network Performance Monitor (NPM)
>
> Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)
>
> Server & Application Monitor (SAM)
>
> Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)
>
> Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)
>
> User Device Tracker (UDT)
>
> Virtualization Manager (VMA