Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Mathew Howard 
Well, no, it has an AC chipset instead of N, so it has some advantages over
the 2000 (some disadvantages too, which you pointed out).
It works well for APs that you don't expect to have a large number of SMs,
or major noise issues, and it can be a nice drop in replacement for the
1000 without having to deal with replacing antennas and whatnot.

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:29 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> That's what I thought I had read, that's why we didnt go with it,
> essentially a 2000 without filtering and no external sync iirc
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:14 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> 2x2 as opposed to 4x4?  Right.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 4:01 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> They're only 2x?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 12:39 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've exclusively used 3KL.  I'm very happy with them.  We don't have a
 whole lot of noise problems, though.

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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:18 PM Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

> Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,
>
> I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where
> an ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked
> nicely for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still
> troubleshooting but generally they have been fast and solid.
>
> People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the
> "dynamic filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big 
> factor?
> Any other complaints?
>
> Thanks to all.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Steve Jones 
That's what I thought I had read, that's why we didnt go with it,
essentially a 2000 without filtering and no external sync iirc

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 4:14 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 2x2 as opposed to 4x4?  Right.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 4:01 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> They're only 2x?
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 12:39 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've exclusively used 3KL.  I'm very happy with them.  We don't have a
>>> whole lot of noise problems, though.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:18 PM Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,

 I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where an
 ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked nicely
 for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still troubleshooting
 but generally they have been fast and solid.

 People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the
 "dynamic filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big factor?
 Any other complaints?

 Thanks to all.


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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
2x2 as opposed to 4x4?  Right.

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 4:01 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> They're only 2x?
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 12:39 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I've exclusively used 3KL.  I'm very happy with them.  We don't have a
>> whole lot of noise problems, though.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:18 PM Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,
>>>
>>> I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where an
>>> ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked nicely
>>> for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still troubleshooting
>>> but generally they have been fast and solid.
>>>
>>> People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the "dynamic
>>> filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big factor? Any
>>> other complaints?
>>>
>>> Thanks to all.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg

2021-02-26 Thread castarritt 
Teach it how to use an adjustable wrench and then turn loose near
competitor tower?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 3:03 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Would probably push stuff off the top occasionally too
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 2:59 PM castarritt  wrote:
>
>> You would just end up with something that flings poo a few hours a day
>> and then sleeps the rest.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:50 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> maybe find a geneticists with loose morals to cross a cat with a monkey.
>>> you could rent your tower cat monkeys out like they do for beehives.
>>>
>>> that pic though looks like they did crummy job of netting, it all inside
>>> and doesnt inhibit any of the nesting points.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I have heard those on strip mall signs...

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:14 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> I've seen farmers use a battery-powered box that emits a loud chirping
> sound which imitates a number of bird-like sounds to keep birds out of
> their orchards.  It was very effective.  Birds are like people, they need
> to talk and don't like interruptions, they just leave.  One I saw used a
> recording of the sound birds make when they see a hawk.
> On 2/25/21 2:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> How close can you put those pipe cleaner looking lightning rods?
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:19 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Some guvt agencies looking for bird netting solution for their camera
>> towers...birds nest and crap on them.
>> They tried the spinning shining contraption... does not scare them
>> away...
>> Ideas?
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg

2021-02-26 Thread Steve Jones 
Would probably push stuff off the top occasionally too

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 2:59 PM castarritt  wrote:

> You would just end up with something that flings poo a few hours a day and
> then sleeps the rest.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:50 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> maybe find a geneticists with loose morals to cross a cat with a monkey.
>> you could rent your tower cat monkeys out like they do for beehives.
>>
>> that pic though looks like they did crummy job of netting, it all inside
>> and doesnt inhibit any of the nesting points.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have heard those on strip mall signs...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:14 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>>>
 I've seen farmers use a battery-powered box that emits a loud chirping
 sound which imitates a number of bird-like sounds to keep birds out of
 their orchards.  It was very effective.  Birds are like people, they need
 to talk and don't like interruptions, they just leave.  One I saw used a
 recording of the sound birds make when they see a hawk.
 On 2/25/21 2:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 How close can you put those pipe cleaner looking lightning rods?

 On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:19 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Some guvt agencies looking for bird netting solution for their camera
> towers...birds nest and crap on them.
> They tried the spinning shining contraption... does not scare them
> away...
> Ideas?
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Steve Jones 
They're only 2x?

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 12:39 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I've exclusively used 3KL.  I'm very happy with them.  We don't have a
> whole lot of noise problems, though.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:18 PM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,
>>
>> I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where an
>> ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked nicely
>> for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still troubleshooting
>> but generally they have been fast and solid.
>>
>> People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the "dynamic
>> filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big factor? Any
>> other complaints?
>>
>> Thanks to all.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Question for the Borg

2021-02-26 Thread castarritt 
You would just end up with something that flings poo a few hours a day and
then sleeps the rest.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:50 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> maybe find a geneticists with loose morals to cross a cat with a monkey.
> you could rent your tower cat monkeys out like they do for beehives.
>
> that pic though looks like they did crummy job of netting, it all inside
> and doesnt inhibit any of the nesting points.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:22 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I have heard those on strip mall signs...
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:14 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen farmers use a battery-powered box that emits a loud chirping
>>> sound which imitates a number of bird-like sounds to keep birds out of
>>> their orchards.  It was very effective.  Birds are like people, they need
>>> to talk and don't like interruptions, they just leave.  One I saw used a
>>> recording of the sound birds make when they see a hawk.
>>> On 2/25/21 2:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> How close can you put those pipe cleaner looking lightning rods?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:19 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some guvt agencies looking for bird netting solution for their camera
 towers...birds nest and crap on them.
 They tried the spinning shining contraption... does not scare them
 away...
 Ideas?

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[AFMUG] 450 Signal Strength Ratio

2021-02-26 Thread Nate Burke 
It's a Friday and my brain is starting to shut down.  I have a 450 SM 
that is reporting -7db V/H Signal Strength Ratio, but when I run an SA 
on the SM, it shows V/H 1DB apart.  Wouldn't that mean there should only 
be 1db on the signal strength ratio?


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Re: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

2021-02-26 Thread Robert Andrews 

I soon as I saw Level 3, I said, there's your problem...

On 02/26/2021 08:46 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We ported in a customer's Verizon landline number about 10 years ago. It 
went to an ATA in his house.  The customer primarily uses his cell phone 
and just lets the house phone go to an answering machine.  He realized 
at some point that his incoming calls stopped working.  We talked to 
VoIP Innovations and found out the number ported awayand this 
started a long chain of investigation.


Long story short: We've learned that TW Cable initiated a port in 
September 2019, then "released the number back to Verizon" in December 
2019.  So this hasn't worked for 17 months, the end user realized it 
about 6 months ago, and didn't bother to report it until a few days ago.


Weird thing is he's never had TW Cable, and cable isn't even available 
on his road.  He says he's made inquiries and that's it.  I asked if 
there was ever a scenario where they mistakenly thought he could get 
service and then changed their mindshe's adamant nothing like that 
ever happened.  He's never done more than ask about it, and they've 
never told him anything other than "no".


The underlying carrier (Level 3) told VoIP INnovations that they only 
keep porting paperwork for a few months, so they can't tell us who sent 
an LOA or anything else.  They only can see that TW Cable did the port, 
and that they "released it to Verizon" later.


It's obviously way too late for a snapback, and VZ will certainly reject 
a request to port in a number that's inactive. So if he really wants 
that number back he'll have to order a service from Verizon.


I'm disturbed on multiple levels:

* That a number can simply be taken without anybody's authorization or 
notification.


* That our LOA's can be rejected for the tiniest discrepancy, but TW 
Cable can apparently port numbers at will


* That nobody knows what happened

* That there's no recourse

Is there some higher authority I can go to for answers? Neustar?

It can't be all that important if he didn't even notice for >12 months, 
but I'm troubled this can even happen.






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Re: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

2021-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett 

I'd rather not go to the man.

Was kinda hoping the owner of the LNP database had some kind of 
ticketing process.



On 2/26/2021 12:34 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Perhaps the FCC has a person in charge of porting complaints.  Like 
they used to do for cramming.


-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

We ported in a customer's Verizon landline number about 10 years ago.
It went to an ATA in his house.  The customer primarily uses his cell
phone and just lets the house phone go to an answering machine. He
realized at some point that his incoming calls stopped working. We
talked to VoIP Innovations and found out the number ported awayand
this started a long chain of investigation.

Long story short: We've learned that TW Cable initiated a port in
September 2019, then "released the number back to Verizon" in December
2019.  So this hasn't worked for 17 months, the end user realized it
about 6 months ago, and didn't bother to report it until a few days ago.

Weird thing is he's never had TW Cable, and cable isn't even available
on his road.  He says he's made inquiries and that's it.  I asked if
there was ever a scenario where they mistakenly thought he could get
service and then changed their mindshe's adamant nothing like that
ever happened.  He's never done more than ask about it, and they've
never told him anything other than "no".

The underlying carrier (Level 3) told VoIP INnovations that they only
keep porting paperwork for a few months, so they can't tell us who sent
an LOA or anything else.  They only can see that TW Cable did the port,
and that they "released it to Verizon" later.

It's obviously way too late for a snapback, and VZ will certainly reject
a request to port in a number that's inactive. So if he really wants
that number back he'll have to order a service from Verizon.

I'm disturbed on multiple levels:

* That a number can simply be taken without anybody's authorization or
notification.

* That our LOA's can be rejected for the tiniest discrepancy, but TW
Cable can apparently port numbers at will

* That nobody knows what happened

* That there's no recourse

Is there some higher authority I can go to for answers? Neustar?

It can't be all that important if he didn't even notice for >12 months,
but I'm troubled this can even happen.





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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Josh Luthman 
I've exclusively used 3KL.  I'm very happy with them.  We don't have a
whole lot of noise problems, though.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 12:18 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,
>
> I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where an
> ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked nicely
> for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still troubleshooting
> but generally they have been fast and solid.
>
> People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the "dynamic
> filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big factor? Any
> other complaints?
>
> Thanks to all.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

2021-02-26 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
It's relative to MSL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit#:~:text=A%20satellite%20in%20such%20an,relative%20to%20the%20Earth's%20surface.&text=Such%20orbits%20are%20useful%20for,that%20can%20only%20be%20approximated.

bp

On 2/26/2021 9:39 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I wonder, is 22,400 miles measured from the center of the
earth or the surface?
  

  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite
  Internet
  

 
  
  
Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus
  ~~ 17K MPH at lower orbits levels), so to inflict maximum
  damage, you want to launch into geo counter-clockwise, or
  anti-geo to put it another way. Then make the satellite a
  hardened shell so as to inflict the most damage and have a
  possibility of hitting more than one working satellite.
Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...
 
bp

On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert
  wrote:

Way below geo orbit,
and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I
imagine a great James Bond plot story would be Spectre
putting something up there and threatening to ruin that
orbit for a ransom.
  
  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian
Webster wrote:
  
  



  Well the US Navy proved they can enforce
  the parking rules back in 2008. To quote Sheldon
  Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
   
   
  Thank you,
  Brian Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com
   
  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite
  Internet
   
  
maybe they wrap your bird with
  tin foil like a space boot
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28
PM Jason McKemie 
wrote:


  And where's the tow truck if
you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
So if a nation is not
  recognized by the UN then they have free
  parking?
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021,
5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh 
wrote:


  
ITU controls the
  slots:  https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

   


  Mark
  

  
  

  On Feb 25, 2021,
at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

 

  
Who controls
  the parking spots? And what if you
  just decide to put one there? I'd
  like to have Elon dough where I
  could just get in a parking spot

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

2021-02-26 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
I wonder, is 22,400 miles measured from the center of the earth or the surface?
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus ~~ 17K MPH at lower 
orbits levels), so to inflict maximum damage, you want to launch into geo 
counter-clockwise, or anti-geo to put it another way. Then make the satellite a 
hardened shell so as to inflict the most damage and have a possibility of 
hitting more than one working satellite.

Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...



bp
On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert wrote:

  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond 
plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to ruin 
that orbit for a ransom.


  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

  On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

   

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark





On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one 
there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot 
fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just 
punches you in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  
wrote:

  Matt,

  Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

   

   

  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

   

  Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the 
borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft 
and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

  On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
 wrote:

  One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is 
visible on the ground of your target service area based on the altitude you 
will have the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites 
only have a 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 
internet service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when 
one move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you 
have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still 
going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory. How many

Re: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

2021-02-26 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Perhaps the FCC has a person in charge of porting complaints.  Like they 
used to do for cramming.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

We ported in a customer's Verizon landline number about 10 years ago.
It went to an ATA in his house.  The customer primarily uses his cell
phone and just lets the house phone go to an answering machine.  He
realized at some point that his incoming calls stopped working.  We
talked to VoIP Innovations and found out the number ported awayand
this started a long chain of investigation.

Long story short: We've learned that TW Cable initiated a port in
September 2019, then "released the number back to Verizon" in December
2019.  So this hasn't worked for 17 months, the end user realized it
about 6 months ago, and didn't bother to report it until a few days ago.

Weird thing is he's never had TW Cable, and cable isn't even available
on his road.  He says he's made inquiries and that's it.  I asked if
there was ever a scenario where they mistakenly thought he could get
service and then changed their mindshe's adamant nothing like that
ever happened.  He's never done more than ask about it, and they've
never told him anything other than "no".

The underlying carrier (Level 3) told VoIP INnovations that they only
keep porting paperwork for a few months, so they can't tell us who sent
an LOA or anything else.  They only can see that TW Cable did the port,
and that they "released it to Verizon" later.

It's obviously way too late for a snapback, and VZ will certainly reject
a request to port in a number that's inactive. So if he really wants
that number back he'll have to order a service from Verizon.

I'm disturbed on multiple levels:

* That a number can simply be taken without anybody's authorization or
notification.

* That our LOA's can be rejected for the tiniest discrepancy, but TW
Cable can apparently port numbers at will

* That nobody knows what happened

* That there's no recourse

Is there some higher authority I can go to for answers? Neustar?

It can't be all that important if he didn't even notice for >12 months,
but I'm troubled this can even happen.



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Re: [AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

2021-02-26 Thread Nate Burke 
I'll be intrigued by the answers. It seems like there are the 'phone 
companies' and then 'the rest of us'  and there are different rules.  We 
lost a customers number a couple years ago because it looked like it 
ported, but actually did not, and I had call forwarding set on the old 
number.  It stopped working when the customer canceled the old account, 
and then since it was in 'disconnected' status there was no way for us 
to get it back.


In our case, it was a number that was Previously with VI, but they said 
that it was ported away from them without them being notified. So they 
treated the port as an internal port instead of submitting it to Level3 
again.


Comcast was trying to get one of our customers numbers for about 5 
months without the customer's consent.  Every 3-4 weeks I'd get portout 
notices, and then have to have the customer fill out the rejection LOA.  
VI said there's no way to block portouts other than to keep rejecting 
them as they come up.


On 2/26/2021 10:46 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
We ported in a customer's Verizon landline number about 10 years ago.  
It went to an ATA in his house.  The customer primarily uses his cell 
phone and just lets the house phone go to an answering machine.  He 
realized at some point that his incoming calls stopped working.  We 
talked to VoIP Innovations and found out the number ported awayand 
this started a long chain of investigation.


Long story short: We've learned that TW Cable initiated a port in 
September 2019, then "released the number back to Verizon" in December 
2019.  So this hasn't worked for 17 months, the end user realized it 
about 6 months ago, and didn't bother to report it until a few days ago.


Weird thing is he's never had TW Cable, and cable isn't even available 
on his road.  He says he's made inquiries and that's it.  I asked if 
there was ever a scenario where they mistakenly thought he could get 
service and then changed their mindshe's adamant nothing like that 
ever happened.  He's never done more than ask about it, and they've 
never told him anything other than "no".


The underlying carrier (Level 3) told VoIP INnovations that they only 
keep porting paperwork for a few months, so they can't tell us who 
sent an LOA or anything else.  They only can see that TW Cable did the 
port, and that they "released it to Verizon" later.


It's obviously way too late for a snapback, and VZ will certainly 
reject a request to port in a number that's inactive. So if he really 
wants that number back he'll have to order a service from Verizon.


I'm disturbed on multiple levels:

* That a number can simply be taken without anybody's authorization or 
notification.


* That our LOA's can be rejected for the tiniest discrepancy, but TW 
Cable can apparently port numbers at will


* That nobody knows what happened

* That there's no recourse

Is there some higher authority I can go to for answers? Neustar?

It can't be all that important if he didn't even notice for >12 
months, but I'm troubled this can even happen.







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[AFMUG] ePMP 3000L AP - your eviews?

2021-02-26 Thread Colin Stanners 
Hello distinguished AFMUG fellows,

I'm looking at the ePMP 3000L AP to upgrade a few small towers where an
ePMP 3000 AP + MUMIMO omni may be overdoing it. ePMP 3000 has worked nicely
for us, some unexpected AP reboots that Cambium is still troubleshooting
but generally they have been fast and solid.

People that have tried the 3000L - were you able to tell if the "dynamic
filtering" that it lacks vs the full ePMP3000 AP was a big factor? Any
other complaints?

Thanks to all.
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[AFMUG] LNP issue - escalate to a higher power?

2021-02-26 Thread Adam Moffett 
We ported in a customer's Verizon landline number about 10 years ago.  
It went to an ATA in his house.  The customer primarily uses his cell 
phone and just lets the house phone go to an answering machine.  He 
realized at some point that his incoming calls stopped working.  We 
talked to VoIP Innovations and found out the number ported awayand 
this started a long chain of investigation.


Long story short: We've learned that TW Cable initiated a port in 
September 2019, then "released the number back to Verizon" in December 
2019.  So this hasn't worked for 17 months, the end user realized it 
about 6 months ago, and didn't bother to report it until a few days ago.


Weird thing is he's never had TW Cable, and cable isn't even available 
on his road.  He says he's made inquiries and that's it.  I asked if 
there was ever a scenario where they mistakenly thought he could get 
service and then changed their mindshe's adamant nothing like that 
ever happened.  He's never done more than ask about it, and they've 
never told him anything other than "no".


The underlying carrier (Level 3) told VoIP INnovations that they only 
keep porting paperwork for a few months, so they can't tell us who sent 
an LOA or anything else.  They only can see that TW Cable did the port, 
and that they "released it to Verizon" later.


It's obviously way too late for a snapback, and VZ will certainly reject 
a request to port in a number that's inactive. So if he really wants 
that number back he'll have to order a service from Verizon.


I'm disturbed on multiple levels:

* That a number can simply be taken without anybody's authorization or 
notification.


* That our LOA's can be rejected for the tiniest discrepancy, but TW 
Cable can apparently port numbers at will


* That nobody knows what happened

* That there's no recourse

Is there some higher authority I can go to for answers? Neustar?

It can't be all that important if he didn't even notice for >12 months, 
but I'm troubled this can even happen.




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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

2021-02-26 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus ~~ 17K
  MPH at lower orbits levels), so to inflict maximum damage, you
  want to launch into geo counter-clockwise, or anti-geo to put it
  another way. Then make the satellite a hardened shell so as to
  inflict the most damage and have a possibility of hitting more
  than one working satellite.
Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...


bp

On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in
geo orbit would be all those operators up there idea of a
disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond plot story
would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to
ruin that orbit for a ransom.
  
  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster
wrote:
  
  




  Well
  the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back
  in 2008. To quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
   
   
  Thank
  you,
  Brian
  Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com
   
  From:
  AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
   
  
maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil
  like a space boot
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason
McKemie 
wrote:


  And where's the tow truck if you just
take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones 
wrote:
  
So if a nation is not recognized by
  the UN then they have free parking?
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM
Mark Radabaugh 
wrote:


  
ITU controls the slots:  https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

   


  Mark
  

  
  

  On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02
PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

 

  
Who controls the
  parking spots? And what if you just decide
  to put one there? I'd like to have Elon
  dough where I could just get in a parking
  spot fight in space for spite. I wonder if
  alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
  punches you in the face if you take a
  spot.
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021,
4:30 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:


  

  Matt,
     
  Looking at your post on Facebook,
  I think you have misunderstood the
  Geostationary definition. There is
  only one orbit height that rotates
  around the earth at the same speed
  as the Earth rotates and it is
  located at the equator. That is
  called the Clarke Belt and it is
  22,236 miles above the earth. Your
  question about a Leo and it being
  Geostationary are contradictions
  in terms. In the Clarke belt since