Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor enclosures..solar powered

[Jaime Solorza]

Gracias

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 10:24 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> nice
> On 4/16/21 9:10 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> More pictures
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 10:09 AM Jaime Solorza 
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>> November 2017 east of Lubbock, Texas.
>> We built and installed five of these on water tanks...solar panels,
>> radio, batteries and control box...
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I agree but I have worked in telco C.O. for more than 4 decades.  Batts right 
in the same room as switching equipment in many cases.  Also lots of remotes 
have batts in a tray at the bottom or in a cabinet to the side that is not 
isolated from air flow.  

You would think it would cause a problem.  I would bet on it but I have never 
seen a problem traced to batt vapors.  

From: Jan-GAMs 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

Is it a good idea to include batteries in same box with electronics?  I've 
always had corrosion problems with this.  I'd suggest separate boxes for 
batteries.


On 4/16/21 7:36 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

  I just bought a few of these and I am very happy with them. The will be my 
new go to.  

  https://www.ispsupplies.com/LightSaber-Optics-LSO-12UOD-600600PM


  On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 06:14 Caleb Knauer  wrote:

The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
though so no feedback.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:
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> Any suggestions on a small outside plant AC BOX For few switch’s and 4, 
100 amp hrs battery?
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Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

[Trey Scarborough]

yes you can do this I have in some areas where I can lease Dark fiber in 
a PON setup from the community fiber provider. However I wouldn't 
recommend it for a standard setup It will require you to put filters at 
every one of you endpoints. You have to filter out all other channels 
going to the customer on most equipment because they don't filter out RX.



On 4/2/21 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Pretty sure you can just use the right wdm equipment and do this.  I 
know I have seen power points from Calix showing how you layer GPON 
with NGPON, NGPON_2, NGPON-3 etc etc on the same strand.


It would be similar to a diplex filter I would think.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 2:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows
me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be
a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom
why it's not a commodity item.





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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

[Aeron Wireless]

That's the 100 meter distance standard. Not 100 mbps

sent from my android phone

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 1:01 PM Aeron Wireless  wrote:

> It's just a method of extending ethernet past the 100m standard with POE.
> It's not optical.
>
> sent from my android phone
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> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 12:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
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>> How does it differ from EPON?
>>
>> EPON sucked by the way.
>>
>> On 4/16/2021 12:48 PM, Dev wrote:
>> > I see their new GPEN MDU “replacement” for GPON, anyone using these
>> devices? Really cheap, interesting concept, and they’re not UBNT. Also,
>> they’re not 10K for an OLT.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

[Aeron Wireless]

It's just a method of extending ethernet past the 100m standard with POE.
It's not optical.

sent from my android phone

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 12:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How does it differ from EPON?
>
> EPON sucked by the way.
>
> On 4/16/2021 12:48 PM, Dev wrote:
> > I see their new GPEN MDU “replacement” for GPON, anyone using these
> devices? Really cheap, interesting concept, and they’re not UBNT. Also,
> they’re not 10K for an OLT.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

[Adam Moffett]

How does it differ from EPON?

EPON sucked by the way.

On 4/16/2021 12:48 PM, Dev wrote:

I see their new GPEN MDU “replacement” for GPON, anyone using these devices? 
Really cheap, interesting concept, and they’re not UBNT. Also, they’re not 10K 
for an OLT.


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[AFMUG] Mikrotik GPEN?

[Dev]

I see their new GPEN MDU “replacement” for GPON, anyone using these devices? 
Really cheap, interesting concept, and they’re not UBNT. Also, they’re not 10K 
for an OLT.
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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor enclosures..solar powered

[Jan-GAMs]

nice

On 4/16/21 9:10 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

More pictures

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 10:09 AM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


November 2017 east of Lubbock, Texas.
We built and installed five of these on water tanks...solar
panels, radio, batteries and control box...


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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Adam Moffett]

I can attest that Amprod Mini-Fort will fit 4x 100ah in the bottom.  
They don't put prices on the website, but I've gotten quotes for them 
before and they were comparable to listed price for IOIO Box


IOIO Box would work too I'm sure.  I don't have a dog in this race, but 
those are both good suggestions.


If you don't mind a separate battery box then you can do a smaller 
enclosure for just your electronics and a Job Box for batteries.  I have 
done that many times and it works out cheaper. RIDGID 32R-OS fits 4x 
100ah with room to spare.  We also put a 1/2" plywood panel under the 
lid to bolt in surge suppressors and such.


There's something about steel boxes where past a certain size the price 
jumps way up.  I think if they're small enough to bend out of one sheet 
they're cheaper.  Whatever the reason is, two small boxes is often 
cheaper than one big one.


-Adam




On 4/16/2021 11:00 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I used an Amprod Mini-Fort enclosure 20" tall x 24" wide x 18" deep 
9RU of equipment for an active cabinet.  Plenty of room for that (with 
a supplemental FDH for gpon).


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On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 10:50 AM Jan-GAMs > wrote:


Is it a good idea to include batteries in same box with
electronics?  I've always had corrosion problems with this.  I'd
suggest separate boxes for batteries.

On 4/16/21 7:36 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:

I just bought a few of these and I am very happy with them. The
will be my new go to.

https://www.ispsupplies.com/LightSaber-Optics-LSO-12UOD-600600PM


On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 06:14 Caleb Knauer mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't
used one
though so no feedback.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on a small outside plant AC BOX For few
switch’s and 4, 100 amp hrs battery?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Numbers are way better than I expected.

[Jan-GAMs]

Hallelujah!  Everybody clap, chant, dance and hug, take your masks off, 
don't get that vaccine now.  Is natural selection broken?


https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/14/us/covid-vaccine-evangelicals/index.html 



On 4/16/21 8:05 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I thought the exact same thing when I saw that. Though I didn't find 
the 66 million part, I just saw the 5800 people got COVID anyways.  
Convenient detail to leave out for sure.


I'm also wondering why we can't find how many tests were done as we 
continue to see X number of cases per 100k people.


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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:06 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


Meanwhile New York post headlines with "nearly 6k fully vaccinated
americans got covid 19 out of 66 million" knowing full well people
are dolts and only see 6k, then compare to their area, like my
town of 23k. In their mind 6000 people in their town will catch it
after vaccine,so to them the vaccine doesnt work. The same as with
the handful of verified reinfections that's actually negligible in
numbers.

People are dumb, well fed, well led sheep.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:38 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Here are the actual numbers. Way better than I expected.


https://www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4




>

After being vaccinated you have a 0.008% chance of getting COVID.

Roughly one in a million might die despite the vaccine.

That is a 0.987% chance of dying.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Numbers are way better than I expected.

[Josh Luthman]

I thought the exact same thing when I saw that.  Though I didn't find the
66 million part, I just saw the 5800 people got COVID anyways.  Convenient
detail to leave out for sure.

I'm also wondering why we can't find how many tests were done as we
continue to see X number of cases per 100k people.

Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 8:06 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Meanwhile New York post headlines with "nearly 6k fully vaccinated
> americans got covid 19 out of 66 million" knowing full well people are
> dolts and only see 6k, then compare to their area, like my town of 23k. In
> their mind 6000 people in their town will catch it after vaccine,so to them
> the vaccine doesnt work. The same as with the handful of verified
> reinfections that's actually negligible in numbers.
>
> People are dumb, well fed, well led sheep.
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 6:38 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Here are the actual numbers. Way better than I expected.
>>
>>
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4
>> <
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/infected-after-covid-vaccination-cdc-numbers-breakthrough-infections-2021-4
>> >
>>
>> After being vaccinated you have a 0.008% chance of getting COVID.
>>
>> Roughly one in a million might die despite the vaccine.
>>
>> That is a 0.987% chance of dying.
>>
>> (Assuming I counted decimals correctly)
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Josh Luthman]

I used an Amprod Mini-Fort enclosure 20" tall x 24" wide x 18" deep 9RU of
equipment for an active cabinet.  Plenty of room for that (with a
supplemental FDH for gpon).

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On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 10:50 AM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> Is it a good idea to include batteries in same box with electronics?  I've
> always had corrosion problems with this.  I'd suggest separate boxes for
> batteries.
> On 4/16/21 7:36 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
>
> I just bought a few of these and I am very happy with them. The will be my
> new go to.
>
> https://www.ispsupplies.com/LightSaber-Optics-LSO-12UOD-600600PM
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 06:14 Caleb Knauer  wrote:
>
>> The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
>> though so no feedback.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:
>> >
>> > Any suggestions on a small outside plant AC BOX For few switch’s and 4,
>> 100 amp hrs battery?
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Jan-GAMs]

Is it a good idea to include batteries in same box with electronics?  
I've always had corrosion problems with this.  I'd suggest separate 
boxes for batteries.


On 4/16/21 7:36 AM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I just bought a few of these and I am very happy with them. The will 
be my new go to.


https://www.ispsupplies.com/LightSaber-Optics-LSO-12UOD-600600PM 



On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 06:14 Caleb Knauer > wrote:


The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
though so no feedback.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com>> wrote:
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and 4, 100 amp hrs battery?
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Jaime Solorza]

don't click on their stuff...they will spam you endlessly
Good stuff btw
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On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM Caleb Knauer 
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> The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
> though so no feedback.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Jason Wilson]

I just bought a few of these and I am very happy with them. The will be my
new go to.

https://www.ispsupplies.com/LightSaber-Optics-LSO-12UOD-600600PM

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 06:14 Caleb Knauer  wrote:

> The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
> though so no feedback.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Close proximity EPMP SM's dropping out

[Nate Burke]

No, I forced them both to the same antenna.  I figured if it was timing 
thing, then both on the same antenna should fix that.


They've been up for the last hour since I forced them to the sector, 
reporting same distance and identical Signal levels.


On 4/16/2021 9:08 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Did you force one to each antenna?

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 8:12 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


Forcing them to the smart antenna didn't help, just forced them to
the sector to see what happens.

On April 15, 2021 7:07:15 PM CDT, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If you're compounding it with multipath, those tiny timeslices
probably have more overlap to the same antenna. I dont know
the math so I'm probably wrong

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 4:48 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I didn't think of that if they're using the 2 separate
uplink antennas.  But I would have thought the scheduler
would keep that from happening.
I just forced them both to the smart antenna. We'll see
what happens.

On 4/15/2021 4:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

image.png

If distance is fluctuating it could be multipath,
eliminating that as much as possible will help.
but having them on two different uplink antennas may help
ensure the AP isnt "blinded" on the uplink.
the AP Rx should be pretty much even, if theyre not and
one is fluctuating more than the other it may be the
multipath culprit. I dont know if theres shrouds for
these like ubnt had, but if you have one of the old NSM
shrouds you could try affixing it with the gap away from
the other radio to shield the two somewhat. It wont fit
all the way around but could give you an idea of whether
you should go to the machine shop. I dont know if RFArmor
is still a thing or not

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 4:22 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Yes, distance is fluctuating.  Right now they're
showing equal distance.  And both re-reged within 30
seconds of each other 10 minutes ago.

Do you mean set the preferred AP?

Don't have a good way to get vertical separation.

On 4/15/2021 4:18 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

can also try locking one to the sector

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is the SM distance fluctuating? Can you
get vertical separation, 18 inches?

On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 3:51 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
wrote:

I have a rooftop that has an existing
Force300-25 radio on it for
several months.  I just added a new
Force300-25 radio on a new mount
next to it, so they are separated by a few
feet horizontally.  Both
radios are now re-associating randomly to
the EPMP3000Ap with Beam
Steering Antenna every couple hours.  Has
anyone else seen this? These
are the only 2 SM's on the AP that are
dropping.  In the AP wireless
table, it also thinks that they are 0.5
miles different in distance.
Signal levels are exactly the same.

I've seen the Signal levels do strange
things when EPMP SM's are close
together, but I haven't seen the radios make
each other drop out before.



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Re: [AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Caleb Knauer]

The stuff from IOIO Box seems to be getting popular.  Haven't used one
though so no feedback.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 8:20 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Close proximity EPMP SM's dropping out

[Nate Burke]

Forcing them to the smart antenna didn't help, just forced them to the sector 
to see what happens. 

On April 15, 2021 7:07:15 PM CDT, Steve Jones  wrote:
>If you're compounding it with multipath, those tiny timeslices probably
>have more overlap to the same antenna. I dont know the math so I'm
>probably
>wrong
>
>On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 4:48 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I didn't think of that if they're using the 2 separate uplink
>antennas.
>> But I would have thought the scheduler would keep that from
>happening.
>> I just forced them both to the smart antenna.  We'll see what
>happens.
>>
>> On 4/15/2021 4:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> If distance is fluctuating it could be multipath, eliminating that as
>much
>> as possible will help.
>> but having them on two different uplink antennas may help ensure the
>AP
>> isnt "blinded" on the uplink.
>> the AP Rx should be pretty much even, if theyre not and one is
>fluctuating
>> more than the other it may be the multipath culprit. I dont know if
>theres
>> shrouds for these like ubnt had, but if you have one of the old NSM
>> shrouds you could try affixing it with the gap away from the other
>radio to
>> shield the two somewhat. It wont fit all the way around but could
>give you
>> an idea of whether you should go to the machine shop. I dont know if
>> RFArmor is still a thing or not
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 4:22 PM Nate Burke 
>wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, distance is fluctuating.  Right now they're showing equal
>distance.
>>> And both re-reged within 30 seconds of each other 10 minutes ago.
>>>
>>> Do you mean set the preferred AP?
>>>
>>> Don't have a good way to get vertical separation.
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2021 4:18 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> can also try locking one to the sector
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 4:17 PM Steve Jones
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is the SM distance fluctuating? Can you get vertical separation, 18
 inches?

 On Thu, Apr 15, 2021 at 3:51 PM Nate Burke 
>wrote:

> I have a rooftop that has an existing Force300-25 radio on it for
> several months.  I just added a new Force300-25 radio on a new
>mount
> next to it, so they are separated by a few feet horizontally. 
>Both
> radios are now re-associating randomly to the EPMP3000Ap with Beam
> Steering Antenna every couple hours.  Has anyone else seen this?
>These
> are the only 2 SM's on the AP that are dropping.  In the AP
>wireless
> table, it also thinks that they are 0.5 miles different in
>distance.
> Signal levels are exactly the same.
>
> I've seen the Signal levels do strange things when EPMP SM's are
>close
> together, but I haven't seen the radios make each other drop out
>before.
>
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[AFMUG] Small outside plant AC BOX?

[Tushar Patel]

Any suggestions on a small outside plant AC BOX For few switch’s and 4, 100 amp 
hrs battery?

Tushar



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