Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
No, not smurf tube.  It is corrugated micro duct.

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> On Nov 4, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
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> The cheap stuff from Home Depot?  That sounds like a nightmare.
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>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> There is HDPE versions that are designed for direct burial. 
>>  
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:04 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
>>  
>> That orange stuff? I would not think it is outdoor rated, nor would it hold 
>> up if buried.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 11/4/2021 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct. 
>>>  
>>> From: Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
>>>  
>>> You talking about conduit or culvert?
>>> 
>>> We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized)  culvert(s) with the 
>>> plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the 
>>> inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas 
 where the ditch is already open?
 I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably 
 can’t blow it. 
 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Oh. I think I've seen that somewhere. I think they say that it's
  supposed to provide lower friction for blowing. I never tried it
  as I though things would get caught on the ridges. I guess it
  might actually be stronger in direct burial if they didn't thin
  the walls too much.


bp

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  AF wrote:


  
  

  There is HDPE versions that are designed for direct
burial.  
  

   
  
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Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
  

 
  
  
That orange stuff? I would not think it is outdoor rated,
  nor would it hold up if buried.
 
bp

On 11/4/2021 12:56 PM, Chuck
  McCown via AF wrote:


  

  Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct.  
  

   
  
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021
  1:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated
  conduit
  

 
  
  
You talking about conduit or culvert?
We replaced all of our old corrugated
  (galvanized)  culvert(s) with the plastic stuff
  that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall
  on the inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't
  trap stuff.
 
bp

On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM,
  Chuck McCown via AF wrote:


  

  Anyone have any opinions about using
cheap corrugated conduit for areas where the
ditch is already open?
  I have never used it.  I worry it is not
terribly strong and you probably can’t blow
it.  

  
  
  

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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Josh Luthman 
The cheap stuff from Home Depot?  That sounds like a nightmare.

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On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> There is HDPE versions that are designed for direct burial.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
>
>
> That orange stuff? I would not think it is outdoor rated, nor would it
> hold up if buried.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/4/2021 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
>
>
> You talking about conduit or culvert?
>
> We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized)  culvert(s) with the
> plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the
> inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas
> where the ditch is already open?
> I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably
> can’t blow it.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these force 300 is not like the other

2021-11-04 Thread Mathew Howard 
Yeah, they help keep things in place while you're assembling it, but once
the radio and screws are in, they don't really seem necessary.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:47 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I wonder 9f the punch spec was to punch the other direction. Theres no
> real reason for the tabs to be offset. I just broke those out since they
> dont seem to serve any real purpose other than irritating a person on field
> swaps
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:42 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
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>> Cutting of the metal tabs with something like an angle grinder with a
>> cut-off wheel in it would probably work pretty well. I think I used a 3"
>> cut-off tool last time, which didn't work too badly. I've tried just
>> bending them out of the way, but that causes problems.
>>
>> It really annoys me, because all they would've needed to do is shift
>> those tabs over like 1/8" and it would've worked just fine either way. It
>> almost looks like they intentionally designed it to be able to flip over,
>> and then changed it slightly so it couldn't.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:28 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You find a good way to grind out the punch? I didnt have an angle
>>> grinder with me just a bench grinder, took forever and is rough.
>>>
>>> Its irritating because the punch is a viewing window for the LEDs and
>>> the pins are set for rotation. But then a second engineer designer smoked
>>> crack and finished up the design
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:14 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>>
 been there, done that...

 On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Jones 
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these force 300 is not like the other

2021-11-04 Thread Steve Jones 
I wonder 9f the punch spec was to punch the other direction. Theres no real
reason for the tabs to be offset. I just broke those out since they dont
seem to serve any real purpose other than irritating a person on field swaps

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:42 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Cutting of the metal tabs with something like an angle grinder with a
> cut-off wheel in it would probably work pretty well. I think I used a 3"
> cut-off tool last time, which didn't work too badly. I've tried just
> bending them out of the way, but that causes problems.
>
> It really annoys me, because all they would've needed to do is shift those
> tabs over like 1/8" and it would've worked just fine either way. It almost
> looks like they intentionally designed it to be able to flip over, and then
> changed it slightly so it couldn't.
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:28 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> You find a good way to grind out the punch? I didnt have an angle grinder
>> with me just a bench grinder, took forever and is rough.
>>
>> Its irritating because the punch is a viewing window for the LEDs and the
>> pins are set for rotation. But then a second engineer designer smoked crack
>> and finished up the design
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:14 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> been there, done that...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these force 300 is not like the other

2021-11-04 Thread Mathew Howard 
Cutting of the metal tabs with something like an angle grinder with a
cut-off wheel in it would probably work pretty well. I think I used a 3"
cut-off tool last time, which didn't work too badly. I've tried just
bending them out of the way, but that causes problems.

It really annoys me, because all they would've needed to do is shift those
tabs over like 1/8" and it would've worked just fine either way. It almost
looks like they intentionally designed it to be able to flip over, and then
changed it slightly so it couldn't.

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:28 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> You find a good way to grind out the punch? I didnt have an angle grinder
> with me just a bench grinder, took forever and is rough.
>
> Its irritating because the punch is a viewing window for the LEDs and the
> pins are set for rotation. But then a second engineer designer smoked crack
> and finished up the design
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:14 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> been there, done that...
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these force 300 is not like the other

2021-11-04 Thread Steve Jones 
You find a good way to grind out the punch? I didnt have an angle grinder
with me just a bench grinder, took forever and is rough.

Its irritating because the punch is a viewing window for the LEDs and the
pins are set for rotation. But then a second engineer designer smoked crack
and finished up the design

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 4:14 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> been there, done that...
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> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Jones 
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Re: [AFMUG] One of these force 300 is not like the other

2021-11-04 Thread Mathew Howard 
been there, done that...

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 4:11 PM Steve Jones 
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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
There is HDPE versions that are designed for direct burial.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 2:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

That orange stuff? I would not think it is outdoor rated, nor would it hold up 
if buried.



bp
On 11/4/2021 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

  You talking about conduit or culvert?

  We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized)  culvert(s) with the 
plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the inside. 
Way better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff.



bp
On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas 
where the ditch is already open?
I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably 
can’t blow it.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
That orange stuff? I would not think it is outdoor rated, nor
  would it hold up if buried.


bp

On 11/4/2021 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit
  

 
  
  
You talking about conduit or culvert?
We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized) 
  culvert(s) with the plastic stuff that's corrugated on the
  outside and smooth wall on the inside. Way better stuff
  because it doesn't trap stuff.
 
bp

On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck
  McCown via AF wrote:


  

  Anyone have any opinions about using cheap
corrugated conduit for areas where the ditch is
already open?
  I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly
strong and you probably can’t blow it.  

  
  
  




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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Conduit.  Like 1/2” corrugated microduct.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 1:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

You talking about conduit or culvert?

We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized)  culvert(s) with the plastic 
stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth wall on the inside. Way 
better stuff because it doesn't trap stuff.



bp
On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas where 
the ditch is already open?
  I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly strong and you probably 
can’t blow it.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

2021-11-04 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
Wow. Just thinking how long V7 has been in the oven. Must be 6 or
  7 years now?

bp

On 11/4/2021 9:31 AM, Trey Scarborough
  wrote:


  
  A bunch of those features aren't available in V6 either so
converting should not be to big of an issue. unless your running
ospf with MPLS. I have been running one of the latest RC4 or 3
since it came out. I have had no issues with it crashing. I
created the config from scratch and did not upgrade from a V6.
Some of the commands are completely different. I wouldn't try to
comingle V6 and V6 OSPF network either. The ones I have running
are only running BGP.
  
  On 10/29/21 5:30 PM, Nate Burke
wrote:
  
  

There's still a lot of yellow on this page
https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status
I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF
  from 6.49 to 7.1rc5 and the OSPF sessions never came back up,
  so I'm guessing their config conversion code isn't working
  quite right yet.  



On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew
  Howard wrote:


  
  
The new RB5009 is also v7 only.


Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that
  it's usable?

  
  
  
On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at
  3:26 PM Josh Luthman 
  wrote:


  That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.

  

  
  
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  at 12:48 PM Nate Burke 
  wrote:


   I forgot there was more than
one CCR2004 model.  I was specifically talking about
the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page
for it says V7 only.

On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:


  None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I
have probably 8-10 of them, all on ROS6.  Guess
it must be the newer batch.  I wonder if ROS7
fixed the issues with them.
  
  
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  29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke 
  wrote:

Just got my
  shipment in, I missed that they come with
  ROS7.0.4 and you 
  can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not
  ready to make the leap to 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

2021-11-04 Thread Bill Prince 
Our numbers are the same except for the last digit. I guess the prefix 
might be classed as Palo Alto, which seems weird because we don't live 
there.



bp


On 11/4/2021 9:20 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
Is your wifes phone number one that would originate in Palo Alto. I 
have seen this before some taxes are based on the NPA-NXX block I used 
to have 2 phonelines one was in a different area code Dallas and 
Lubock. Even though the billing address was the same I paid different 
taxes based on where the phone number originated from. When I switched 
providers and ported the numbers the issue went away.


On 11/2/21 3:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon. 
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data 
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed 
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.


However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my 
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been 
that way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.


Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in 
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a 
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of, 
you guessed it, 28 cents.


Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that 
normal. However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.


In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While 
Palo Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even 
legal? How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and 
not mine) a utility tax?


Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?






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Re: [AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
You talking about conduit or culvert?
We replaced all of our old corrugated (galvanized)  culvert(s)
  with the plastic stuff that's corrugated on the outside and smooth
  wall on the inside. Way better stuff because it doesn't trap
  stuff.


bp

On 11/4/2021 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated
conduit for areas where the ditch is already open?
  I have never used it.  I worry it is not terribly strong
and you probably can’t blow it.  

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] Rooftop Pictures

2021-11-04 Thread Mike Hammett 
Can I see some pictures of "tower" installations you've done on buildings where 
they cared about aesthetics? Trying to sway a local property owner and he's 
concerned about how things look like on his new buildings.



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[AFMUG] corrugated conduit

2021-11-04 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
Anyone have any opinions about using cheap corrugated conduit for areas where 
the ditch is already open?
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Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

2021-11-04 Thread Peter Kranz via AF 
I’m not old enough to have Cadillac tastes.. I’d prefer an ICON Bronco if you 
are sending it my way. 

 

Regarding the price, I was quoted $885 for the shelf and Inview monitoring 
without any inverters. The inverters are $700/each and provide 800W of AC. You 
can add up to 4 inverters, and surplus inverters act as failover modules. So 
for a non-redundant 800W site, you could go as low as $1585. That’s totally 
in-line with what I pay for an AlphaUPS unit.

 

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Mobile: 510-207-
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Peter has Cadillac tastes. 

 Maybe more like Mercedes or Lamborghini.

 

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On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 6:58 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

smells really pricey...

On 11/3/21 4:12 PM, Peter Kranz via AF wrote:

Pretty excited about these units as a solution.. Bringing one into the test lab 
to exercise, but they have an awesome interface:

 

http://compas.cet-group.eu:8080/

user/password = Basic/1234

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

2021-11-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 
A bunch of those features aren't available in V6 either so converting 
should not be to big of an issue. unless your running ospf with MPLS. I 
have been running one of the latest RC4 or 3 since it came out. I have 
had no issues with it crashing. I created the config from scratch and 
did not upgrade from a V6. Some of the commands are completely 
different. I wouldn't try to comingle V6 and V6 OSPF network either. The 
ones I have running are only running BGP.


On 10/29/21 5:30 PM, Nate Burke wrote:


There's still a lot of yellow on this page

https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status

I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to 
7.1rc5 and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their 
config conversion code isn't working quite right yet.



On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

The new RB5009 is also v7 only.

Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model.  I was
specifically talking about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the
Routerboard Product page for it says V7 only.

On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of
them, all on ROS6.  Guess it must be the newer batch.  I
wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues with them.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke
mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with
ROS7.0.4 and you
can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not ready to
make the leap to
V7, this isn't the RB for you.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT something I learned

2021-11-04 Thread Cameron Crum 
That kid of sounds a little like this: https://27bslash6.com/p2p2.html. If
you need some good laughs, read this guys articles. IT is a riot.



On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 10:35 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Hopefully he buys some good tooling that you can buy up at the bankruptcy
> auction.
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 3:17 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I sense high degree of manipulative behavior there.
>>
>>
>>
>> You sure “missed out” lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> Good riddance to asshats is what I say.
>>
>>
>>
>> Life’s far too short to deal with yahoos like this.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:39 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT something I learned
>>
>>
>>
>> Over the years, I went from taking every opportunity and frequently low
>> balling to get the work to turning away many more opportunities than I
>> take.  Just this morning a guy that had been trying to get me to  help him
>> develop some kind of ground heater (whatever that is, I think perhaps for
>> thawing ground)  a few weeks ago.  Here is an email he just sent:
>>
>>
>>
>> So,  I have made the assumption you folks are not interested in taking on
>> this project of mine. This will be the SECOND time you've turned away a
>> project for me. I've seen your facility, I know it's capabilities, but it
>> just seems there's no real interest in outside work. With the funds I had
>> allotted to have this work done, I have decided to use to purchase our own
>> equipment. With all the writing all over your building, I was pretty sure
>> you folks would be THEEE place to get some one-off things accomplished. We
>> will be doing our work now in house, or have several operations in Montana
>> for the larger pieces. We were really looking forward to doing business
>> with you, but sadly, that ship has sailed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I understood that.. no one even wanted to quote either project. Both fit
>> your production capabilities.  We had time to wait.  But it's all kind of
>> moot at this point.. We've moved on.  I drive by there at least once a
>> week. All the wording on the building and websites just feels misleading at
>> this point.
>>
>>
>>
>> The first project I brought in was pretty small, and was told you didn't
>> have the staff on hand.  I tried to present a resume,  but no one was
>> interested in that either. So here we are that,  about to launch a national
>> company,  and now have our own shop. Just would have been nice to get an up
>> front own and honest answer from the start that you guys weren't interested
>> at all, or didn't want the business.  I've been waiting for a quote for
>> some time which waged some time,  but after the first issue,  it's just not
>> worth my time.  I just wanted you folks to know where I was coming from
>>
>>
>>
>> I forwarded the only three emails I have ever sent to him.  In all I
>> referred him to other shops, never offered to quote.  But this is a perfect
>> example of the type of wingnut you want to avoid.  Good that in a period of
>> a month he now has his own shop and manufacturing capabilities etc.  Lost
>> out bigtime here... yeah, I lost out on bitcoin too.  Oh well.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

2021-11-04 Thread Trey Scarborough 
Is your wifes phone number one that would originate in Palo Alto. I have 
seen this before some taxes are based on the NPA-NXX block I used to 
have 2 phonelines one was in a different area code Dallas and Lubock. 
Even though the billing address was the same I paid different taxes 
based on where the phone number originated from. When I switched 
providers and ported the numbers the issue went away.


On 11/2/21 3:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon. 
It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data 
than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed 
amount" for each phone. So far, so good.


However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my 
wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been 
that way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.


Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in 
the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a 
little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of, 
you guessed it, 28 cents.


Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that 
normal. However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.


In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While 
Palo Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even 
legal? How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and 
not mine) a utility tax?


Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?




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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

2021-11-04 Thread dmmoffett 
Some parts are drastically different

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2021 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

 

Does syntax change on configs?

 

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 8:26 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

The routing engines are new from the ground up, so those areas are the most 
likely (not saying they are or aren't) to be buggy.



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From: "Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 7:36:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

How is V7 anyway?  I hear it is still buggy,  but I mean does it crash a lot?  
What if you are pretty much just using it for straight BGP/OSPF routing and 
nothing more?

 

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote:

I'm walking on banana-peels, hell they won't even let me climb a ladder

On 10/30/21 06:43, James Howard wrote:

It’s obvious you guys are all zombies.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

 

I am not dead yet. 

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Not dead yet.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote:

 

so who is going to takeover this mail-list?

On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote:

There's still a lot of yellow on this page

https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status

I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to 7.1rc5 
and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their config 
conversion code isn't working quite right yet.  

 

On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

The new RB5009 is also v7 only.

 

Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable?

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model.  I was specifically talking 
about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page for it says V7 only.

On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:

None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of them, all on ROS6.  
Guess it must be the newer batch.  I wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues with them.

 

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with ROS7.0.4 and you 
can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not ready to make the leap to 
V7, this isn't the RB for you.

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Re: [AFMUG] Licensed Dish RF Pattern

2021-11-04 Thread Chuck McCown via AF 
There will be a pattern.  I would normally expect them to be in the brochure 
or spec sheet for the antenna.
But parabolic dishes all have a very similar set of sidelobes.  First set of 
sidelobes are down 20 dB or so from the main.  And are a couuple of degrees 
away from the main boresight lobe.


https://youtu.be/PPoV10GWWOQ

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 8:55 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Licensed Dish RF Pattern

We were aligning an RFS 18ghz dish, and the climber said that he found a
bunch of Sidelobes as he was moving it around.  I went looking for the
RF pattern of the dish to see what they looked like, with the Centerline
and the peaks and valleys going away from it, but I don't find the RF
pattern on the RFS Website.  Is that something that the licensed dishes
don't do or have I just not found it yet?

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

2021-11-04 Thread Nate Burke 
I think so, at least in Winbox, OSPF setup is completely different than 
previous ROS.  So I would presume the commands are different too.


On 11/4/2021 10:23 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Does syntax change on configs?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 8:26 AM Mike Hammett > wrote:


The routing engines are new from the ground up, so those areas are
the most likely (not saying they are or aren't) to be buggy.



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Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, November 1, 2021 7:36:12 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

How is V7 anyway?  I hear it is still buggy,  but I mean does it
crash a lot?  What if you are pretty much just using it for
straight BGP/OSPF routing and nothing more?

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:

I'm walking on banana-peels, hell they won't even let me climb
a ladder

On 10/30/21 06:43, James Howard wrote:

It’s obvious you guys are all zombies.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

I am not dead yet.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Not dead yet.

Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs
mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net>> wrote:



so who is going to takeover this mail-list?

On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote:

There's still a lot of yellow on this page


https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status

I just tried to upgrade a test router running
simple OSPF from 6.49 to 7.1rc5 and the OSPF
sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing
their config conversion code isn't working
quite right yet.

On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

The new RB5009 is also v7 only.

Does this mean v7 is actually getting to
the point that it's usable?

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh
Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

That's one hell of a PSA! Thanks.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate
Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I forgot there was more than one
CCR2004 model.  I was specifically
talking about the CCR2004-16G-2S+,
the Routerboard Product page for
it says V7 only.

On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird
wrote:

None of mine shipped with
ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of
them, all on ROS6. Guess it
must be the newer batch.  I
wonder if ROS7 fixed the
issues with them.

On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33
PM Nate Burke

Re: [AFMUG] OT something I learned

2021-11-04 Thread Steve Jones 
Hopefully he buys some good tooling that you can buy up at the bankruptcy
auction.

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 3:17 PM Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> I sense high degree of manipulative behavior there.
>
>
>
> You sure “missed out” lol!
>
>
>
> Good riddance to asshats is what I say.
>
>
>
> Life’s far too short to deal with yahoos like this.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 3, 2021 12:39 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT something I learned
>
>
>
> Over the years, I went from taking every opportunity and frequently low
> balling to get the work to turning away many more opportunities than I
> take.  Just this morning a guy that had been trying to get me to  help him
> develop some kind of ground heater (whatever that is, I think perhaps for
> thawing ground)  a few weeks ago.  Here is an email he just sent:
>
>
>
> So,  I have made the assumption you folks are not interested in taking on
> this project of mine. This will be the SECOND time you've turned away a
> project for me. I've seen your facility, I know it's capabilities, but it
> just seems there's no real interest in outside work. With the funds I had
> allotted to have this work done, I have decided to use to purchase our own
> equipment. With all the writing all over your building, I was pretty sure
> you folks would be THEEE place to get some one-off things accomplished. We
> will be doing our work now in house, or have several operations in Montana
> for the larger pieces. We were really looking forward to doing business
> with you, but sadly, that ship has sailed.
>
>
>
> I understood that.. no one even wanted to quote either project. Both fit
> your production capabilities.  We had time to wait.  But it's all kind of
> moot at this point.. We've moved on.  I drive by there at least once a
> week. All the wording on the building and websites just feels misleading at
> this point.
>
>
>
> The first project I brought in was pretty small, and was told you didn't
> have the staff on hand.  I tried to present a resume,  but no one was
> interested in that either. So here we are that,  about to launch a national
> company,  and now have our own shop. Just would have been nice to get an up
> front own and honest answer from the start that you guys weren't interested
> at all, or didn't want the business.  I've been waiting for a quote for
> some time which waged some time,  but after the first issue,  it's just not
> worth my time.  I just wanted you folks to know where I was coming from
>
>
>
> I forwarded the only three emails I have ever sent to him.  In all I
> referred him to other shops, never offered to quote.  But this is a perfect
> example of the type of wingnut you want to avoid.  Good that in a period of
> a month he now has his own shop and manufacturing capabilities etc.  Lost
> out bigtime here... yeah, I lost out on bitcoin too.  Oh well.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Palo Alto City UUT

2021-11-04 Thread Steve Jones 
That's how it works, a little here,a little there, no biggie. Til its not

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 6:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Funny thing about taxes...i pay for irrigation along with an irrigation
> tax and a tax for the Tigua Pueblo Reservation even though they are south
> of me down the Rio Grande...it's 14.00 a year ..no biggie...
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 2:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>>
>> Here's a curious one. My wife & I have cell service through Verizon.
>> It's a simple plan with unlimited text, unlimited talk, and more data
>> than we can use. We pay a fee for the service, and we pay a "fixed
>> amount" for each phone. So far, so good.
>>
>> However, for some reason that I've never explored until this week, my
>> wife's "fixed amount" is 28 cents more than mine. It's always been that
>> way (25+ years now), and I always wondered, but never investigated.
>>
>> Yesterday I finally investigated. Turns out, the extra 28 cents is in
>> the part labeled "fees and government charges". Looking into that a
>> little more finds a fee called "Palo Alto City UUT" in the amount of,
>> you guessed it, 28 cents.
>>
>> Now, if I lived in the city of Palo Alto, I might consider that normal.
>> However, we don't live in the city of Palo Alto.
>>
>> In fact, we don't even live in the same county as Palo Alto. While Palo
>> Alto is relatively close, it IS in the next county. Is this even legal?
>> How can a city in the next county charge my wife's phone (and not mine)
>> a utility tax?
>>
>> Have any of you looked in your Verizon bill lately?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA

2021-11-04 Thread Steve Jones 
Does syntax change on configs?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 8:26 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The routing engines are new from the ground up, so those areas are the
> most likely (not saying they are or aren't) to be buggy.
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, November 1, 2021 7:36:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA
>
> How is V7 anyway?  I hear it is still buggy,  but I mean does it crash a
> lot?  What if you are pretty much just using it for straight BGP/OSPF
> routing and nothing more?
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 3:05 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
>> I'm walking on banana-peels, hell they won't even let me climb a ladder
>> On 10/30/21 06:43, James Howard wrote:
>>
>> It’s obvious you guys are all zombies.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of * Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 30, 2021 7:54 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR2004 PSA
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>> I am not dead yet.
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>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021, 7:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
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>> Not dead yet.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Oct 29, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Jan-GAMs  wrote:
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>> 
>>
>> so who is going to takeover this mail-list?
>>
>> On 10/29/21 15:30, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> There's still a lot of yellow on this page
>>
>> https://help.mikrotik.com/docs/display/ROS/v7+Routing+Protocol+Status
>>
>> I just tried to upgrade a test router running simple OSPF from 6.49 to
>> 7.1rc5 and the OSPF sessions never came back up, so I'm guessing their
>> config conversion code isn't working quite right yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/2021 4:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
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>> The new RB5009 is also v7 only.
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>>
>>
>> Does this mean v7 is actually getting to the point that it's usable?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
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>> That's one hell of a PSA!  Thanks.
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>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:48 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
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>> I forgot there was more than one CCR2004 model.  I was specifically
>> talking about the CCR2004-16G-2S+, the Routerboard Product page for it says
>> V7 only.
>>
>> On 10/29/2021 11:41 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> None of mine shipped with ROS7.  I have probably 8-10 of them, all on
>> ROS6.  Guess it must be the newer batch.  I wonder if ROS7 fixed the issues
>> with them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 12:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
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>> Just got my shipment in, I missed that they come with ROS7.0.4 and you
>> can't downgrade them to V6, so if You're not ready to make the leap to
>> V7, this isn't the RB for you.
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[AFMUG] Licensed Dish RF Pattern

2021-11-04 Thread Nate Burke 
We were aligning an RFS 18ghz dish, and the climber said that he found a 
bunch of Sidelobes as he was moving it around.  I went looking for the 
RF pattern of the dish to see what they looked like, with the Centerline 
and the peaks and valleys going away from it, but I don't find the RF 
pattern on the RFS Website.  Is that something that the licensed dishes 
don't do or have I just not found it yet?


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Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

2021-11-04 Thread dmmoffett 
CET Tech support was very hard to reach.  North American support only has an 
email address and there’s a 24-48 hour turnaround between what I send and their 
response.

I think they expect you to get support from the VAR.

 

It’s fine as long as you never need them.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via AF
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2021 7:13 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Cc: Peter Kranz 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1U/2U 48V inverter/charger for LiFePO4 48V strings

 

Pretty excited about these units as a solution.. Bringing one into the test lab 
to exercise, but they have an awesome interface:

 

http://compas.cet-group.eu:8080/

user/password = Basic/1234

 

Peter Kranz
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