Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

[Christopher Gray]

Synology also has fairly easy appliances that would do the job (a little more 
expensive, but possibly some additional useful features).

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 11:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Private Cloud server

 

QNAP has a lot of easy appliances for stuff like this.  You can even scatter 
them around your towers and have them sync to each other.  

 

-Sean

 

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 8:26 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

We have a client that wants us to create / host a multiple 4TB  cloud server 
for them.  I know there are some “home type solutions” available but thought 
there might be a great commercial version, maybe that would accommodate 
multiple logins, customers?

 

Suggestions?

 

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[AFMUG] [OTish] Where is Phone Ring Cadence Defined?

[Christopher Gray]

I'm working with Cambium support, and they asked me to provide them with the
RFC that defines the North American ring cadence. 

 

I can't seem to find an RFC that defines it (presumably since it was defined
long before RFC existed). 

 

Any suggestions for where to find North American ring cadence defined? I
know what it is, but Cambium wants a reference. 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

[Christopher Gray]

I’ve made several inquiries. Originally, I was on the bid list to actually be 
the ISP on the network, but they went municipal to skip the bidding process 
(the committee decided it would be easier to do, and I understand their 
perspective). They are not allowing any other interaction with outside 
companies, but the committee says after the first contract is up they may make 
it open… which is 3 years out.

 

I’ll I hadn’t thought about how long it will take relative to losing customers, 
thank you for pointing that out. They’re currently estimating almost a year to 
get the whole town connected. I’m seeing some good ideas to share as part of a 
proposal. 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 5:39 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

Would it make more sense to inquire about an arrangement where you could resell 
the FTTH service to your current customers?  Assumption being that you would 
get a lower wholesale price that you  could mark up to the same retail price, 
also probably some arrangement where you would do part of the installation work 
and handle first level tech support, let customers keep their email addresses, 
etc.?

 

I assume they won’t complete the FTTH build overnight, so this would allow for 
a gradual transition.  You could migrate customers to FTTH as it passed their 
house, and eventually decommission your WISP gear in that area.

 

If you can’t sell and instead decide to just turn off the lights and close the 
door behind you, but then it takes the FTTH build another 6 months to reach all 
the customers, there are going to  be a bunch of pissed off residents.

 

If they expect you to keep serving fewer and fewer customers as they deploy 
their fiber, it’s like expecting you to dig your own grave.  Yes, some 
customers may not switch (depending on comparative pricing), and perhaps they 
would buy you out (I’m skeptical).  But you’ve probably done the math.  Would 
you be profitable with half as many customers?  A quarter?  At some point it 
just doesn’t make sense to stick around in that area.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

I'm with Matt. I don't know what your projections are based on but when I did 
research to replace my WISP network with a fiber one in a small town the take 
rate as expressed by existing customers was so low it didn't make sense. Maybe 
5% expressed a desire to switch regardless of price and only about half would 
switch if the price was the same. Speed was a concern for about 25%. Of course 
that is purely anecdotal not to mention old.

 

Anyway, a large percentage are very price sensative. That isn't to say the muni 
won't do it way below cost. That seems to be how most of them think.

 

On the valuation, I don't know anyone that nows what they are doing that pays 
per sub anymore. Again, the muni probably doesn't know what they are doing so 
you might get lucky. All purchases I have seen in the last few tyears are all 
revenue based of some sort. EBIDTA, Gross, Net. Really just however the buyer 
wants to see it. The numbers always seem to work out pretty close. But you 
never know, maybe they want it as a warm boot to their FTTH plans. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:29 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Devils advocate. Why would they buy it if all the customers will just move over?

 

I wouldn’t be so sure they will all leave. If you treat them right and aren’t 
gouging them on price many will probably lot stay. 


On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:19 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

So much per customer.  I would say $500-$2000 depending on the number of subs, 
the type of equipment and the part of the country.  $1000/ sub is a low 
starting point.  

 

From: Christopher Gray 

Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:11 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

Does anyone here have an example of a proposal used to sell your network or 
part of your network? You can provide it offline if necessary.

 

[I'm in a position where the local government is actually overbuilding my WISP 
network with a FTTH network. My projections show I'm going to lose the business 
in the particular area entirely, so I want to offer to sell it to the town. I 
will be keeping the rest of my system, and just selling this section.] 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

[Christopher Gray]

“…maybe they want it as a warm boot to their FTTH plans”… This is one of the 
angles I’m going for. They could start getting revenue now and reduce the tax 
burden. 

 

I may survey the customers to get a sense of whether people would stay, but the 
town is doing a good job of marketing their product (and they are making people 
pay for their own drops, and giving them a $3k credit toward their drop to try 
to show value).

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 5:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

I'm with Matt. I don't know what your projections are based on but when I did 
research to replace my WISP network with a fiber one in a small town the take 
rate as expressed by existing customers was so low it didn't make sense. Maybe 
5% expressed a desire to switch regardless of price and only about half would 
switch if the price was the same. Speed was a concern for about 25%. Of course 
that is purely anecdotal not to mention old.

 

Anyway, a large percentage are very price sensative. That isn't to say the muni 
won't do it way below cost. That seems to be how most of them think.

 

On the valuation, I don't know anyone that nows what they are doing that pays 
per sub anymore. Again, the muni probably doesn't know what they are doing so 
you might get lucky. All purchases I have seen in the last few tyears are all 
revenue based of some sort. EBIDTA, Gross, Net. Really just however the buyer 
wants to see it. The numbers always seem to work out pretty close. But you 
never know, maybe they want it as a warm boot to their FTTH plans. 

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:29 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Devils advocate. Why would they buy it if all the customers will just move over?

 

I wouldn’t be so sure they will all leave. If you treat them right and aren’t 
gouging them on price many will probably lot stay. 


On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:19 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

So much per customer.  I would say $500-$2000 depending on the number of subs, 
the type of equipment and the part of the country.  $1000/ sub is a low 
starting point.  

 

From: Christopher Gray 

Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:11 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

Does anyone here have an example of a proposal used to sell your network or 
part of your network? You can provide it offline if necessary.

 

[I'm in a position where the local government is actually overbuilding my WISP 
network with a FTTH network. My projections show I'm going to lose the business 
in the particular area entirely, so I want to offer to sell it to the town. I 
will be keeping the rest of my system, and just selling this section.] 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

[Christopher Gray]

I’m not necessarily expecting them to buy… but they definitely won’t buy if I 
don’t ask. 

 

I’m not necessarily expecting everyone to leave, but if I lose 75% I won’t be 
able to sustain the rest. 

The big trick here is that I have a contract to use a town building for part of 
the network. When they figure out they can just cancel my contract… I’ll lose 
75%.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

Devils advocate. Why would they buy it if all the customers will just move over?

 

I wouldn’t be so sure they will all leave. If you treat them right and aren’t 
gouging them on price many will probably lot stay. 


On Mar 5, 2019, at 3:19 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

So much per customer.  I would say $500-$2000 depending on the number of subs, 
the type of equipment and the part of the country.  $1000/ sub is a low 
starting point.  

 

From: Christopher Gray 

Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 1:11 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

 

Does anyone here have an example of a proposal used to sell your network or 
part of your network? You can provide it offline if necessary.

 

[I'm in a position where the local government is actually overbuilding my WISP 
network with a FTTH network. My projections show I'm going to lose the business 
in the particular area entirely, so I want to offer to sell it to the town. I 
will be keeping the rest of my system, and just selling this section.] 

 

Thank you, Chris


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[AFMUG] Examples of Proposals to Sell WISP Network?

[Christopher Gray]

Does anyone here have an example of a proposal used to sell your network or
part of your network? You can provide it offline if necessary.

[I'm in a position where the local government is actually overbuilding my
WISP network with a FTTH network. My projections show I'm going to lose the
business in the particular area entirely, so I want to offer to sell it to
the town. I will be keeping the rest of my system, and just selling this
section.]

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[AFMUG] Are NN licenses still selling despite CBRS coming?

[Christopher Gray]

Is there still value in selling an NN license? What sort of prices these
days?
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Re: [AFMUG] Open Networks

[Christopher Gray]

Any ideas on whether a government owned network is required to provide open
access? I've heard mixed info regarding this. I assume it varies by state,
but I haven't seen rules either way.

Thanks Carl, that link offers a nice explanation, I'll look into what seems
to make the most sense. Also, thanks Jared for the specific details.

I want to try to find additional specific examples so I can share them with
the municipality. I'll do some further digging.

Thank you, Chris




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wrote:

> Couple different versions:
>
> 1) Layer 1 only:  Fiber from each house to a neighborhood node.   Similar
> to all those strange verizon buildings throughout the city except smaller.
> Provider can build/buy transport into the node and rent rack space/power.
> When a sub signs up, they lease the strand to the sub.
>
> 2) Layer2: Generally a GPON system where each provider gets their own
> profiles etc.  Sometimes include own routing instance as well so all a
> provider has to do is bring their bandwidth to the main data center and
> connect their subs.  Danville VA has a pretty good example.
> https://aem-dev.calix.com/solutions/open-access.html
>
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:59 AM Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> What you picture an "open" residential fiber network looks like? Any
>> examples of government funded / owned systems and how ISPs are allowed to
>> operate on that system?
>>
>> In a basic configuration, I see:
>> Data Center <-transport-> Town Central Office <-FTTH-> Customer
>>
>> [I picture the network operator managing the system and its hardware, and
>> an ISP would gain access to a connection from the Data Center to the
>> Customer for a fixed price. The ISP would be provided with a QinQ tunnel
>> that would be untagged at the customer location. Any identified outages or
>> service requests would be provided to the network operator.
>>
>> If a new customer wanted service, the ISP would contact the network
>> operator and the appropriate contractor would complete the installation.]
>>
>> Am I missing something, or what other was would such a network typically
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[AFMUG] Open Networks

[Christopher Gray]

What you picture an "open" residential fiber network looks like? Any
examples of government funded / owned systems and how ISPs are allowed to
operate on that system?

In a basic configuration, I see:
Data Center <-transport-> Town Central Office <-FTTH-> Customer

[I picture the network operator managing the system and its hardware, and
an ISP would gain access to a connection from the Data Center to the
Customer for a fixed price. The ISP would be provided with a QinQ tunnel
that would be untagged at the customer location. Any identified outages or
service requests would be provided to the network operator.

If a new customer wanted service, the ISP would contact the network
operator and the appropriate contractor would complete the installation.]

Am I missing something, or what other was would such a network typically be
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Firmware Release Notices?

[Christopher Gray]

What's a fax?


On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:35 PM  wrote:

> Also if you are waiting for faxes...
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 16, 2018 12:09 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Firmware Release Notices?
>
> Matt,
>
> Excellent, good to hear it is being considered. I find it is especially
> important when waiting for fixes.
>
>
> --
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 9:28 AM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> We are working on just such a thing… I have tried to jumpstart this
>> effort again internally, because I agree with you guys 100%.  We need to
>> have some way to notify everyone that cares about new software releases.
>> Stay tuned.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:38 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Firmware Release Notices?
>>
>>
>>
>> Not that I’ve found but it’d be nice if they had a list you could
>> subscribe to.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just check their site every now and then or wait for someone else to
>> post about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a meaningful way to get alerts about Cambium firmware releases
>> without having to check their download section daily?
>>
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Firmware Release Notices?

[Christopher Gray]

Matt,

Excellent, good to hear it is being considered. I find it is especially
important when waiting for fixes.


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wrote:

> We are working on just such a thing… I have tried to jumpstart this effort
> again internally, because I agree with you guys 100%.  We need to have some
> way to notify everyone that cares about new software releases.  Stay tuned.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Firmware Release Notices?
>
>
>
> Not that I’ve found but it’d be nice if they had a list you could
> subscribe to.
>
>
>
> I just check their site every now and then or wait for someone else to
> post about it.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:02 PM Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a meaningful way to get alerts about Cambium firmware releases
> without having to check their download section daily?
>
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>
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[AFMUG] Cambium Firmware Release Notices?

[Christopher Gray]

Is there a meaningful way to get alerts about Cambium firmware releases
without having to check their download section daily?

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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp puck disable

[Christopher Gray]

I thought the puck was just the antenna, and disconnecting the puck is just
running the GPS without an antenna.

Is that incorrect?


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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:15 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Why not just disconnect it?
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2018 10:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Epmp puck disable
>
> I was told I couldn't do this at one site where I would like to do this.
> This was only a few weeks ago.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 12:13 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We have been deploying new sites without the pucks so it uses the
>> internal gps and still has front back sync. Has the software come along yet
>> to disable the puck on the sites where it's already installed?
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Re: [AFMUG] Will PMP/PTP 450i 900 MHz Work With Standard Polarity?

[Christopher Gray]

Thank you... I was hoping they started doing both like the ePMP line. It
would sure make it easier to transition to Cambium gear.

I have plenty of switched pairs, but they will eventually lead to fried
gear somewhere (when someone makes the mistake of plugging in the wrong
wire).


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> No, they will not. They need to have negative on pins 4&5 and positive on
> 7&8. It'll work fine if you just swap those two pairs in one end of the
> cable.
>
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:23 PM Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> Will the PMP 450i 900 MHz SM work with standard polarity? I understand
>> they work with Cambium polarity from 20-32V, but I want to run one off a
>> Netonix, and I'm not sure whether I need to reverse polarity or not.
>>
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[AFMUG] Will PMP/PTP 450i 900 MHz Work With Standard Polarity?

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Will the PMP 450i 900 MHz SM work with standard polarity? I understand they
work with Cambium polarity from 20-32V, but I want to run one off a
Netonix, and I'm not sure whether I need to reverse polarity or not.

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Re: [AFMUG] Will a CMM 2 Pass VLANs?

[Christopher Gray]

It is an outdoor gray box maybe 9" wide and 12" tall. The switch inside is
not in an enclosure.

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll give it a shot.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:32 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If the switch is like a 3-1/2" grey block then I'm pretty sure it's an
> unmanaged dumb industrial switch.
> If it's the one I'm remembering then it will pass VLAN's, but does not do
> any tagging on it's own.
>
>
> On 7/24/2018 10:59 PM, Christopher Gray wrote:
>
> A network I'm rebuilding has an old CMM in place. Software version is
> listed as:
>
> CANOPY CMM 2.0.8 Nov 14 2003 14:11:10
>
> Any idea whether this will pass VLAN traffic? There are no VLAN settings.
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Will a CMM 2 Pass VLANs?

[Christopher Gray]

A network I'm rebuilding has an old CMM in place. Software version is
listed as:

CANOPY CMM 2.0.8 Nov 14 2003 14:11:10

Any idea whether this will pass VLAN traffic? There are no VLAN settings.

Thank you - Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] How To Test Port For Magnetics?

[Christopher Gray]

In this case, I'm actually checking to see what ports (that are not used
for PoE) can receive PoE voltages without being fried.

It seems if there is a set of magnetics installed without connected center
taps (I think this is the isolation configuration), then you can run
standard PoE voltages into a port without damaging it.



On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:02 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> If that's the case, I totally agree with you...
>
> Electrically test each individual wire to the chassis/shield/ground
> lug/coax connector outsides, making sure there's no conductivity (with the
> caveat that there may be capacitors to ground which will show brief moments
> of connectivity as you initially hook it up).
>
> Then, power on the radio, using an isolated power supply.  Repeat the
> above tests using a voltmeter instead - you shouldn't see any meaningful
> voltages.
>
> I'm in the process of trying to gather this type of information for each
> common radio/poe device.  It's slow going and there are of course other
> things which always seem to be higher priority.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:56 AM,  wrote:
>
>> The conversation originally started with –48 power sources and was it
>> safe to power an ethernet device off of such a supply.
>> Is the power galvanically isolated from any ground/shield type of
>> connections on the device.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:36 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How To Test Port For Magnetics?
>>
>> Could you clarify a bit what you mean by isolate?
>>
>> This could mean:
>>
>> The PoE and the lan sides are electrically separate (i.e. there's a set
>> of ethernet magnetics in it).
>> or
>> The power supply is electrically isolated on each port
>> or
>> There is no ground connection
>> or
>> .
>>
>> When you start talking PoE there are lots of ways to arrange the power
>> injection.  For instance, on all gigabit power injectors that packetflux
>> currently makes, the LAN side of the injector is totally electrically
>> isolated from everything else.   The PoE side has pins tied to either power
>> or return/neutral depending on how jumpers get set, with the note that by
>> 'tied' means that we're connecting the center tap on the magnetics to those
>> pins.
>>
>> Other injectors (and perhaps upcoming ones from packetflux) have fully
>> isolated DC power on the PoE, so there isn't any direct connection from the
>> PoE port to the source power supply.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Chuck (Well, directed at Chuck, but interested to hear if anyone else
>>> has ideas),
>>>
>>> What would you consider a reliable method for checking a port for
>>> magnets / Ethernet transformers / isolation modules? Is it just a matter of
>>> testing the individual pairs for resistance or continuity?
>>>
>>> Every time I want to know if a port will isolate PoE on its own, I just
>>> crack the device open, and look. I'd like to be able to test externally if
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help - Chris
>>>
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[AFMUG] How To Test Port For Magnetics?

[Christopher Gray]

 Chuck (Well, directed at Chuck, but interested to hear if anyone else has
ideas),

What would you consider a reliable method for checking a port for magnets /
Ethernet transformers / isolation modules? Is it just a matter of testing
the individual pairs for resistance or continuity?

Every time I want to know if a port will isolate PoE on its own, I just
crack the device open, and look. I'd like to be able to test externally if
possible.

Thanks for the help - Chris
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