[AFMUG] Multicast/IGMP monitoring

2024-09-27 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Does anybody have a software they can recommend that one can run on a VM that 
simply joins a list of multicast groups and alerts if they drop the channel for 
any reasons, either on the multicast side or the unicast side?

I'm envisioning a software that simply joins every channel on an IPTV service, 
and would give us a proactive alert if a channel drops; if the device is 
'beside' the multicast headend, that would indicate a probably channel feed 
problem.

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Re: [AFMUG] War Games

2024-09-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Yeah, the problem is if somebody can be disarmed, they can be rearmed, and you 
really can’t erase knowledge of fundamental physics.

And at the end of the day, somebody wants something that somebody else also 
wants, and wants it badly enough to reach for a big stick, for relative values 
of ‘big.’  It’s a problem when your ‘big stick’ is a five foot flint-tipped 
spear.  It’s an even bigger problem when your ‘big stick’ is an arsenal of 
fusion bombs.

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Ironic that the acronym for Mutual Assured Destruction is MAD.

The problem of course is you can’t get the genie back in the bottle.  What do 
you do once people possess the ability to destroy civilization?  Some people 
advocate unilateral disarmament, but that seems naïve.  Maybe like the 
Terminator movies you have to go back in time and try to change history.

Some argue that nuclear weapons weren’t really necessary to end WWII.  Others 
argue that if the Manhattan Project had been stopped, Germany and Russia and 
other nations would have invented nuclear weapons anyway, and in fact were on 
track to do so.

A pessimist would conclude that humans are fundamentally flawed and destined to 
destroy themselves and everything else, it’s just a matter of when.  Cue the 
final scene of Planet of the Apes?

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Even now, “A strange game.  The only winning move is not to play” is a line I 
use often.  It applies to so many situations in life.

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If I remember correctly.

Shall we play a game?

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On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 2:46 PM Ken Hohhof 
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Some here must remember that movie, right?  Can you believe it’s from 41 years 
ago?

I was reminded of it when I saw this comic recently.  Oh, and discussing guest 
actors on OMITB the name Matthew Broderick came up and then Ferris Bueller and 
then War Games.

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Re: [AFMUG] War Games

2024-09-04 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Even now, “A strange game.  The only winning move is not to play” is a line I 
use often.  It applies to so many situations in life.

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If I remember correctly.

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On Sat, Aug 31, 2024 at 2:46 PM Ken Hohhof 
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Some here must remember that movie, right?  Can you believe it’s from 41 years 
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I was reminded of it when I saw this comic recently.  Oh, and discussing guest 
actors on OMITB the name Matthew Broderick came up and then Ferris Bueller and 
then War Games.

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Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

2024-08-30 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Absolute reference vs seconds-since-epoch.

Next I’ll screw up a big endian-little endian conversion.

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You’re right, excuse me, 1966, which was 58 years ago, and my poor brain got 
the two numbers mixed up.

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I am surprised that it even existed in 1958 as that program was not even 
announced until the 1960s.

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Say, did you know that the Apollo Guidance Computer, from the first iteration 
in 1958, did all of it’s internal calculations in metric, then converted to 
imperial for display to the astronauts?

So yes, America went to the Moon on metric.

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Totally missed that last part XD

There are two kinds of countries:  those that use the metric system and those 
that have been the moon.

On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:52 AM Ken Hohhof 
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Because he used metric, or because he spelled it metre?

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OK Euro guy...let the American's get the job done.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 11:59?PM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We use EXFO otdr's on some spans that are 160km and we can get it down to the 
metre.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 7:07?PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Don't you document where your splices are?  If you see your splices every 33k 
and see it's broken 1 mile from the last splice it should be pretty obvious, no?

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 6:26?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
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Magical device called a fusion splicer.  Our reels were typically 33,000’


From: Josh Luthman
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I don't see how you have a 50 mile span.  Even if you get 80k reels that's 15 
miles.

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When you have spans up to 50-75 miles at times, you have to use longer high 
power pulses.  There is a lot of variability in velocity of propagation, earth 
temperature, splice slack loop

Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

2024-08-30 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Canada sells gas by the liter, about a quarter gallon, has for as long as I've 
been driving.

We're a bit weird; people are measured in feet/inches and pounds, but we'd buy 
400 grams of ground beef, not a pound.  Short distances tend to be given in 
kilometers, long distances in approximate travel time.  A standard can of beer 
is 355 millilitres, but a shot is 1.5 oz.  We all have one set of wrenches in 
metric, and one in imperial.  It's 19 degrees C outside, but I'm going to 
preheat my oven to 350f.  We tend to think of baking recipes in terms of cups, 
tea or tablespoons or whatever, but we also tend to know that a teaspoon is 5 
ml, a tablespoon is 15 ml and a cup is about 237 ml, but we're also big 
believers in measuring such things by weight, not by volume.

Speedometers tended to have both metric and imperial until relatively recently, 
and many of us still decipher American speeds because we know that the 55 mph 
pretty much lined up with 100 kph.

Also, in Canada, milk comes in bags, and 'a pint of beer' is legally defined as 
20 fl oz, or 568 ml, with an allowable error of +/- .5 ml, and it's legally 
enforceable. We do not, however, have the equivalent of reinheitsgebot.  And 
Stella Artois is still considered 'import' despite being bottled in Quebec.

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They still have double speeds posted in places in the UK and they use F & C for 
temps.  Confusing.  Canada used to sell gasoline by imperial gallons (do they 
still?) which are more than one US gallon.  I sometimes refer to our system of 
measure as imperial units but that fails with imperial gallons.  The official 
term is "US Customary Measure" for the units we all use and love.  Except for 
slugs, nobody but physics teachers use slugs.



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I remember going on a sales call to British Telecom in the 1990s with the head 
of my company's intl division, who was a raving lunatic. He had driven 20 miles 
the wrong direction and was trying to make up time so we didn't miss our flight 
out of Heathrow.

I saw the speedometer read 100 and thought we were going to die, but calmed 
down when I realized it was kph not mph.

A few days later it occurred to me we were in England and it was actually 100 
mph.

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I am surprised that it even existed in 1958 as that program was not even 
announced until the 1960s.

From: Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

Say, did you know that the Apollo Guidance Computer, from the first iteration 
in 1958, did all of it's internal calculations in metric, then converted to 
imperial for display to the astronauts?

So yes, America went to the Moon on metric.

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Totally missed that last part XD

There are two kinds of countries:  those that use the metric

Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

2024-08-30 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
You’re right, excuse me, 1966, which was 58 years ago, and my poor brain got 
the two numbers mixed up.

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I am surprised that it even existed in 1958 as that program was not even 
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From: Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2024 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

Say, did you know that the Apollo Guidance Computer, from the first iteration 
in 1958, did all of it’s internal calculations in metric, then converted to 
imperial for display to the astronauts?

So yes, America went to the Moon on metric.

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There are two kinds of countries:  those that use the metric system and those 
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 8:52 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Because he used metric, or because he spelled it metre?

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From: "Josh Luthman"
Sent: 8/28/2024 7:40:18 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables
OK Euro guy...let the American's get the job done.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 11:59?PM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We use EXFO otdr's on some spans that are 160km and we can get it down to the 
metre.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 7:07?PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Don't you document where your splices are?  If you see your splices every 33k 
and see it's broken 1 mile from the last splice it should be pretty obvious, no?

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 6:26?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
Magical device called a fusion splicer.  Our reels were typically 33,000’


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

I don't see how you have a 50 mile span.  Even if you get 80k reels that's 15 
miles.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:19?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
When you have spans up to 50-75 miles at times, you have to use longer high 
power pulses.  There is a lot of variability in velocity of propagation, earth 
temperature, splice slack loops, fiber twist.  1 mile error over 50 miles is 
only 2%.  You can easily be off by several thousand feet.  You can’t just go 
dig.  You have to go to the closest splice point and test again, even then if 
you it show the fault 2000 feet away and you dig at 2000 feet you may be off by 
20 feet or more.  I have been doing this for decades.  Takes lots of digging to 
actually find it.

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A mile?!  IDK how that's possible.  Every time we turn a new splitter on the 
sequentials and OTDR are within a few feet - we lose a couple of feet in butt 
splices and our sequentials end up wrong.  Every new reel gets tested on 
delivery and it's right on.

When we had a broken fiber (ants) it was right on the case.  When we had a 
broken fiber (ribbon got knicked with installation) it was between two cases.

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Wow, sometimes looking for gopher damager over 20 miles I have been off a mile.



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Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

2024-08-30 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Say, did you know that the Apollo Guidance Computer, from the first iteration 
in 1958, did all of it’s internal calculations in metric, then converted to 
imperial for display to the astronauts?

So yes, America went to the Moon on metric.

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There are two kinds of countries:  those that use the metric system and those 
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Because he used metric, or because he spelled it metre?

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Sent: 8/28/2024 7:40:18 AM
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OK Euro guy...let the American's get the job done.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 11:59?PM Ryan Ray 
mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We use EXFO otdr's on some spans that are 160km and we can get it down to the 
metre.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 7:07?PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Don't you document where your splices are?  If you see your splices every 33k 
and see it's broken 1 mile from the last splice it should be pretty obvious, no?

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 6:26?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
Magical device called a fusion splicer.  Our reels were typically 33,000’


From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

I don't see how you have a 50 mile span.  Even if you get 80k reels that's 15 
miles.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 5:19?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
When you have spans up to 50-75 miles at times, you have to use longer high 
power pulses.  There is a lot of variability in velocity of propagation, earth 
temperature, splice slack loops, fiber twist.  1 mile error over 50 miles is 
only 2%.  You can easily be off by several thousand feet.  You can’t just go 
dig.  You have to go to the closest splice point and test again, even then if 
you it show the fault 2000 feet away and you dig at 2000 feet you may be off by 
20 feet or more.  I have been doing this for decades.  Takes lots of digging to 
actually find it.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 3:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

A mile?!  IDK how that's possible.  Every time we turn a new splitter on the 
sequentials and OTDR are within a few feet - we lose a couple of feet in butt 
splices and our sequentials end up wrong.  Every new reel gets tested on 
delivery and it's right on.

When we had a broken fiber (ants) it was right on the case.  When we had a 
broken fiber (ribbon got knicked with installation) it was between two cases.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 3:48?PM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>> 
wrote:
Wow, sometimes looking for gopher damager over 20 miles I have been off a mile.



From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2024 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] fiber patch cables

So far every time we've used the OTDR it's been accurate within 1 foot.

On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 12:55?PM Trey Scarborough 
mailto:t...@3dsc.co>> wrote:

The only thing you have to worry about with shorter cables is the reflection. 
In some instances with dirty connector at just the right connector you can get 
reflection back in to the transmitter that can cause errors, the tx to shut 
down or premature failure. This is very uncommon with LR 10G and less optics 
and can be prevented from making sure you have clean connectors. Check the RX 
and TX levels and make sure you don't have excessive loss. With 100G its a 
little different story due to the combined power of multiple channels, but 
still can be prevented by cleaning connectors, but in some instances Ive had to 
use attenuation when mixing different vendor optics.

The using no launch on an OTDR most automatically calibrating OTDRs will work 
without one. Your results can be off though. Most of the lower cost ones are 
also lower powered and have less of an RX sensitivity so they don't suffer as 
much from the reflections interfering

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

2020-04-15 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
No, because those links don’t go to firmware files but to squatter domains.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

 

Do the files linked in this page work for you?  
https://support.gotrango.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/214334083-Firmware-Downloads-TrangoLink-45

 

 

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Shayne Lebrun  wrote:

I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying 
around?

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Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

2020-04-15 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
I intend to, but in the meantime, I was hoping a firmware reload would fix a 
problem with an existing link.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 10:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

 

Why not just swap with with something modern?

 

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 10:03 AM Shayne Lebrun  wrote:

I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying 
around?

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[AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

2020-04-15 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
I don't suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying
around?

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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

2020-04-08 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Mimosa backhaul radios do something like this; they both have GPS, and if
they're talking at all, they figure out bearing to each other and give you
compass bearing.

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 6:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

 

Someday I am going to build some of my ideas for this.

 

If you put a GPS antenna away from the tower and one on the tower, the long
baseline will let you know the bearing between the two with great accuracy.
They could talk and let the tower unit know what the azimuth of the line
between them is.

 

Then you could aim a scope with an angular encoder at the ground unit, or it
could have a strobe light with a omni lens camera on the tower to let it
know where it is.  I even considered dopplar UHF antennas on the tower to
get the position of the ground unit.

 

Then it is a simple thing to know which direction you are aiming.  Properly
done it could be a $300 item instead of a $3000-$5000 item.  Just not sure
which method to use to get the relative direction of the ground unit...

 

A small rifle scope on an encoder would work really well.  

 

From: Tushar Patel 

Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

 

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.

 

Any input on the following product?

 

http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/

 

 

Tushar

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Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

2020-03-13 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
Turn on web proxy on the Mikrotik, set your browser's proxy address to the
mikrotik, and web in.  Turn off proxy on mikrotik when done.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax

No, the SM isn't associated, and I'm only able to telnet to it from the 
Mikrotik that it's plugged into which I still have access to via a 
different path.  So without setting up a tunnel, I can't get HTTP to it 
without going on site.

On 3/13/2020 12:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> You can't even get to the GUI via the AP web proxy?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 450SM command line syntax
>
> I have a 450SM that because of some network reasons, I can only telnet to.
> Is there a way to run an APEval from the command line and/or Change the
> color code?  I didn't see it listed in the 'help' option.
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[AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

2020-02-27 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

2020-02-10 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
A 'cynic' is what an optimist calls a realist.

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 1:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

I used to think I was a cynic.  Some people are an order of magnitude 
more cynical than me.


On 2/10/2020 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> I am naturally an optimist and not a cynic.  So I essentially ignore all that 
> stuff.  Life is too short.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 10, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a 
>> "conspiracy".
>>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the whole 
>> picture of what happened until more time passes.  In the interim there's a 
>> lot of conflicting information going around. People latch onto early bits of 
>> information that turn out to be wrong and they won't let go of them.
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
>>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I mean that 
>> one's obviously a joke.right?)
>>
>> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
>>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or maybe 
>> they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all information so 
>> they're reporting what they think is true at the time it's said, or maybe 
>> rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
>>
>> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> Starting a new thread to make this discussion off topic.
>>>
>>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
>>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual 
>>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel Coronavirus 
>>> appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not particularly deadly.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] The Future

2020-01-24 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
I always liked the opposite.  Tell them that they're using all of their 
bandwidth, and the answer is 'nobody is using the Internet! So-and-so is just 
watching TV!'

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 1:22 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future

I love the my internet is not working but netflix is working
Takes some folks a bit for that to soak in.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 11:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future

Yeah, Netflix ability to switch video quality / stream rate on the fly is 
actually pretty awesome.  I know we all used to bitch about Netflix, but now 
I actually hold it up as the gold standard.  Does Netflix work?  OK, your 
Internet works.  If flavor of the week streaming service doesn't work as 
good as Netflix, well, there you go.

I also like that Netflix traffic is usually identifiable because an rDNS 
lookup on the IP address returns something.ntflxvideo.net rather than some 
anonymous CDN or nothing at all.  So if you are torching a customer's 
traffic to tell him what is maxing out his connection, it takes just a few 
seconds to say it's Netflix.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2020 12:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future

A few years ago, I did some testing with Netflix. I found that it would 
"function" down to just under 700 Kbps. For SD quality, about double that, 
or 1.5 Mbps. For HD, you needed a bit more than double that, or about 3 
Mbps.

I did some more recent tests with Prime. It would consume 5-10 Mbps if you 
let it, but I found that it would "function" down to about 2 Mbps.
This function was roughly the same as Netflix SD quality.

I periodically throttle all of them, just to see what the effects will be. 
To date, Netflix does the best, and is even able to switch CODECs mid-stream 
most of the time. The rest, not so much.


bp


On 1/24/2020 9:37 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> That's basically what I tell all my RV friends that are on the road
> complaining about streaming.   Solves most of their problems at all
> the weird places...
>
> On 01/23/2020 01:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest quality needed.
>> A few years back I did some testing with various speeds, and I think
>> I got down to somewhere around 500k before Netflix would break. But
>> even then, the picture quality was getting pretty ugly.
>>
>> But seriously... if Netflix defaulted to lower quality (not lowest,
>> but in the middle), and made you set it higher if you wanted, most
>> people would never know or care... and it'd save a lot of bandwidth.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Adam Moffett > > wrote:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the lowest quality level on Netflix needs 0.7
>> mbps. If your rule ended up giving them 256k+512k then it would
>> have worked.
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/2020 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> Way back in the day, when powercode had the old type queue, we
>>> built our basic one to buffer at 512 long enough to maintain a 2
>>> hour sd stream at 256k with periodic 512k bucket refills. so
>>> really it was 512k effectively. It may very vell be that
>>> expectations of "standard" definition were different back then.
>>> but I thought that was an actual resolution standard
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix on 256K.
>>> 1M maybe, and 1.5M still gives you decent SD. You’re going
>>> to
>>> need at least 2.5M though for HD.  So that’s one part of the
>>> answer is HD. Some streaming services, like DirecTV On
>>> Demand,
>>> don’t have adaptive video quality and want a minimum of 5M
>>> to
>>> stream.  Another factor is “live” video, which is compressed
>>> on-the-fly and probably not as efficiently as pre-recorded
>>> content.
>>>
>>> Of course, if the customer has more, video streams will
>>> happily use it.
>>>
>>> *From:* AF >> > *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future
>>>
>>> we are at the end of the wireless backhaul road. when I
>>> started 15 or so years ago, we were just moving off a
>>> handdful of random T1s to a bonded 6mb circuit backhauling
>>> that was nothing. Now we have two gig circuits on separate
>>> parts of our network, and we are a tiny WISP in podunk USA..
>>> We dont put less than 1.2gbps backhauls in f

Re: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

2019-02-12 Thread Shayne Lebrun 
https://xkcd.com/927/

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 4:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Why hasn't there been a radio-antenna waveguide standard?

 

Probably more a question for Chuck then anyone else.

 

There's (ignoring frequency-related size) at least a dozen 
  waveguide connector 
standards to interface radios with antennas... when buying a licensed backhaul 
radio, pretty much every physical and software interface on the unit conforms 
to a standard, except the antenna interface. But it seems that a physical-only 
interface like that would be the easiest to standardize. Any idea why that has 
never happened in the industry?

 

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