Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Jon Langeler]

Start with cloud account. Put your CC info in there. Then take your CBRS 
account key and you can install it to your On Prem installation.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> I wish GAA would go to some sort of light PAL, with the higher EIRP and mix 
> of 450 and LTE its going to be a mess. I havent gotten a SAS administrator 
> yet, but im hoping one of the commercial competitive feature sets is rf 
> visualization so we can at least be able to see who is doing what and gain 
> some competitor contacts for mitigation. I went live with a 450 on 10mhz 
> right in between 2 20mhz channels of somebody elses according to the SA the 
> other day, and theyre fairly hot 20s, in the -70s. Would be nice if GAA was 
> just restricted overlaps to 10mhz if SAS sees a conflict. with some mechanism 
> for two CPIs to waive the restriction.
> I really hope moving forward that any spectrum released by the FCC is SAS 
> managed. the wild west of radio is no good. there was a comment in WISP talk 
> the other day about 5ghz where the guy says he just overpowers his 
> competitors. People are naturally going to be dicks and irresponsible with 
> spectrum so we need the SAS adult in the room moving forward any time the FCC 
> gives us something they could otherwise monetize the hell out of.
> 
> also, does CBRS require cloud or on prem cnmaestro, or either?
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> You coordinated with ATT and Verizon or local WISPs?
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Dave  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and it 
>>> was challenge for sure. 
>>> 
>>> I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some APs 
>>> in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon.
>>> 
>>> Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did this 
>>> manually. 
>>> 
>>> I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the 
>>> management portal. 
>>> 
>>> I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>> I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so 
>>>> happy to see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is 
>>>> only because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect 
>>>> GAA.  Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken 
>>>> place.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a 
>>>> grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a 
>>>> grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That tells me a 
>>>> GAA user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant 
>>>> and now is being protected.  You could move to another channel, but I fear 
>>>> that will be a manual process.  Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find 
>>>> another clear channel, CPI enters data for new grant request.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy 
>>>> (cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I 
>>>> doubt that’s how it works.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
>>>> onboarding
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I don't 
>>>> know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid 
>>>> those.  Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS...
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Steve Jones]

I wish GAA would go to some sort of light PAL, with the higher EIRP and mix
of 450 and LTE its going to be a mess. I havent gotten a SAS administrator
yet, but im hoping one of the commercial competitive feature sets is rf
visualization so we can at least be able to see who is doing what and gain
some competitor contacts for mitigation. I went live with a 450 on 10mhz
right in between 2 20mhz channels of somebody elses according to the SA the
other day, and theyre fairly hot 20s, in the -70s. Would be nice if GAA was
just restricted overlaps to 10mhz if SAS sees a conflict. with some
mechanism for two CPIs to waive the restriction.
I really hope moving forward that any spectrum released by the FCC is SAS
managed. the wild west of radio is no good. there was a comment in WISP
talk the other day about 5ghz where the guy says he just overpowers his
competitors. People are naturally going to be dicks and irresponsible with
spectrum so we need the SAS adult in the room moving forward any time the
FCC gives us something they could otherwise monetize the hell out of.

also, does CBRS require cloud or on prem cnmaestro, or either?

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 10:26 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> You coordinated with ATT and Verizon or local WISPs?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Dave  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and it
> was challenge for sure.
>
> I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some
> APs in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon.
>
> Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did this
> manually.
>
> I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the
> management portal.
>
> I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting.
>
>
> On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so
> happy to see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is only
> because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect GAA.
> Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken place.
>
>
>
> There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a
> grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a
> grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That tells me a GAA
> user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant and
> now is being protected.  You could move to another channel, but I fear that
> will be a manual process.  Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find
> another clear channel, CPI enters data for new grant request.
>
>
>
> I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy
> (cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I
> doubt that’s how it works.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I don't
> know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid
> those.  Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS...
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I expect they’ll do both.
>
>
>
> But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In
> 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL
> licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs
> per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t
> think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the
> old NN 50 MHz.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL
> blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off
> a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Jon Langeler]

You coordinated with ATT and Verizon or local WISPs?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:02 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> 
> I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and it 
> was challenge for sure. 
> 
> I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some APs 
> in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon.
> 
> Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did this 
> manually. 
> 
> I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the management 
> portal. 
> 
> I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so happy 
>> to see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is only 
>> because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect GAA.  
>> Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken place.
>>  
>> There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a 
>> grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a 
>> grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That tells me a GAA 
>> user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant and now 
>> is being protected.  You could move to another channel, but I fear that will 
>> be a manual process.  Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find another 
>> clear channel, CPI enters data for new grant request.
>>  
>> I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy 
>> (cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I 
>> doubt that’s how it works.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
>> onboarding
>>  
>> Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I don't 
>> know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid 
>> those.  Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS...
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> I expect they’ll do both.
>>  
>> But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In 
>> 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL 
>> licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs 
>> per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t 
>> think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the old 
>> NN 50 MHz.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
>> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
>> onboarding
>>  
>> Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks 
>> would be willing to operate in GAA at all?
>>  
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>  
>>  
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off a 
>> channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz 
>> channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.
>>  
>> But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and the 
>> only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new 
>> frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.  
>> Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, 
>> or a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess is 
>> our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers are down, 
>> and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant request to 
>> get a new channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which channel to 
>> request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there would be 
>> interference.
>>  
>> Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really 
>> sure how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only appr

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Dave]

I have my whole network of 45 Aps a mix of medusa -450 over to CBRS and 
it was challenge for sure.


I am very happy with the outcome but not too sure on the future of some 
APs in the metro are where we heavily overlap with ATT and Verizon.


Already had to coordinate to get out of their way and us them. We did 
this manually.


I have done anything you can think of working with the sas and the 
management portal.


I think the Phase2 is going to be interesting.


On 7/27/2020 5:35 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so 
happy to see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is 
only because there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t 
protect GAA.  Obviously there are no PALs yet because the auction 
hasn’t taken place.


There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on 
a grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can 
get a grant in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That 
tells me a GAA user could get kicked off a channel because a PAL 
holder got a grant and now is being protected.  You could move to 
another channel, but I fear that will be a manual process.  Customers 
go down, WISP scrambles to find another clear channel, CPI enters data 
for new grant request.


I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy 
(cnMaestro) please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but 
I doubt that’s how it works.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS 
equipment onboarding


Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I 
don't know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer 
to avoid those.  Right now everything is wide open according to 
Google's SAS...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


I expect they’ll do both.

But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated
GAA?  In 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL
channels, and PAL licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So
the limit on number of PALs per county mean there would be at most
7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t think you can predict which
channels would always be GAA, other than the old NN 50 MHz.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS
equipment onboarding

Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their
PAL blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get
kicked off a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the
telco firing up 80 MHz channels in GAA and causing
interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.

But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant
request, and the only way to accommodate their request is to
repack and assign us a new frequency.  We can still get a
channel, but it may be a different channel. Is it like DFS or
LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, or
a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My
guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes
our customers are down, and we have to manually determine and
submit a different grant request to get a new channel.  And we
would need to quickly determine which channel to request
because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there
would be interference.

Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too
pessimistic?  Not really sure how auto would work.  It seems
like the SAS only approves or rejects grant requests, it
doesn’t generate them on your behalf.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS
equipment onboarding

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of
GAA.  That's the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50
MHz in NN.

Now I'm not going to say I lik

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Ken Hohhof]

I made that mistake also when we first went live with CBRS.  I was so happy to 
see all channels available.  Then someone pointed out that is only because 
there are no incumbents or PALs, and the SAS doesn’t protect GAA.  Obviously 
there are no PALs yet because the auction hasn’t taken place.

 

There won’t be specific frequencies assigned to PAL holders except on a 
grant-by-grant basis.  But once they get a grant, no GAA user can get a grant 
in that PAL protection area on the same channel.  That tells me a GAA user 
could get kicked off a channel because a PAL holder got a grant and now is 
being protected.  You could move to another channel, but I fear that will be a 
manual process.  Customers go down, WISP scrambles to find another clear 
channel, CPI enters data for new grant request.

 

I’d like to think the SAS would send a request to the domain proxy (cnMaestro) 
please move the following sector to new frequency XYZ, but I doubt that’s how 
it works.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 4:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I don't know 
what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid those.  
Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS...


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I expect they’ll do both.

 

But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In 
3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL 
licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs per 
county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t think 
you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the old NN 50 
MHz.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks 
would be willing to operate in GAA at all?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off a 
channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz 
channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.

 

But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and the 
only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new 
frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.  Is 
it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, or a 
narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess is our grant 
just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers are down, and we have 
to manually determine and submit a different grant request to get a new 
channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which channel to request 
because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there would be 
interference.

 

Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really sure 
how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects grant 
requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's the 
worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.

 

Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after 
Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their 
coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a 
working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different AP, 
etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it can be 
confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of these you 
do from the device and the change just gets reflected in cnMaestro.

 

CBRS isn’t simple.

 

One other th

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Bill Prince]

  
  
How did that happen?!?


bp



On 7/27/2020 2:25 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  Wrong thread dude

  

  
  
  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  


  
  
  
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:11
  PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:


  
This may only be an Android feature, and maybe only V10
  and up (because I ain't going back), but the video
  recorder offers a couple of options when doing video. One
  is to do 30 fps instead f 60 fps. The other is to use
  H.264.
I did have to do a short video the other day, and I think
  it offered me the option of lowering the resolution a bit.
  That said, a 10 second video still consumed 20 MB. I was
  trying to squeeze it down b/c the person I was doing it
  for asked me to email it. 20 MB in an email is still a
  push, so we ended up putting it in DropBox.



bp



On 7/27/2020 1:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
I expect they’ll do both.
 
But are you planning to only use
  3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In 3550-3650 I
  don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels,
  and PAL licensed don’t come with assigned channels. 
  So the limit on number of PALs per county mean there
  would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t
  think you can predict which channels would always be
  GAA, other than the old NN 50 MHz.
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium
        450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

  Do you think the company that
spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks
would be willing to operate in GAA at all?
  
  

  

   

Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  

  
   

 

  
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM
  Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
  wrote:
  
  

  
But I don’t think we’ve
  experienced yet what happens if we get kicked
  off a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can
  experience the telco firing up 80 MHz channels
  in GAA and causing interference, but our grant
  won’t be withdrawn.
 
But what if the telco has a
  couple PALs and submits a grant request, and
  the only way to accommodate their request is
  to repack and assign us a new frequency.  We
  can still get a channel, but it may be a
  different channel.  Is it like DFS or LBT and
  we automatically get moved to a different
  channel, or a narrower one, or whatever? 
  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess is our
  grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5
  minutes our customers are down, and we have to
  manually determine and submit a different
  grant request to get a new channel.  And we
  would need to quickly determine which channel
  to request because some could be occupied by
  other GAA users and there would be
  interference.
 
Or will it happen
  

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

Well I'm not limiting myself to that 50 MHz first off.  Secondly, I don't
know what the PAL frequencies will be but I'd obviously prefer to avoid
those.  Right now everything is wide open according to Google's SAS...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I expect they’ll do both.
>
>
>
> But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In
> 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL
> licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs
> per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t
> think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the
> old NN 50 MHz.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL
> blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off
> a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz
> channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.
>
>
>
> But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and
> the only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new
> frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.
> Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different
> channel, or a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My
> guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers
> are down, and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant
> request to get a new channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which
> channel to request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and
> there would be interference.
>
>
>
> Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really
> sure how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects
> grant requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's
> the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.
>
>
>
> Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after
> Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their
> coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a
> working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different
> AP, etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it
> can be confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of
> these you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in
> cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> CBRS isn’t simple.
>
>
>
> One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out
> frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You
> still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just
> like unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than
> that, it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is
> right next to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.
>
>
>
> I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch
> of PALs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 93

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

Wrong thread dude

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> This may only be an Android feature, and maybe only V10 and up (because I
> ain't going back), but the video recorder offers a couple of options when
> doing video. One is to do 30 fps instead f 60 fps. The other is to use
> H.264.
>
> I did have to do a short video the other day, and I think it offered me
> the option of lowering the resolution a bit. That said, a 10 second video
> still consumed 20 MB. I was trying to squeeze it down b/c the person I was
> doing it for asked me to email it. 20 MB in an email is still a push, so we
> ended up putting it in DropBox.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/27/2020 1:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I expect they’ll do both.
>
>
>
> But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In
> 3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL
> licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs
> per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t
> think you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the
> old NN 50 MHz.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL
> blocks would be willing to operate in GAA at all?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off
> a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz
> channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.
>
>
>
> But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and
> the only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new
> frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.
> Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different
> channel, or a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My
> guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers
> are down, and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant
> request to get a new channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which
> channel to request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and
> there would be interference.
>
>
>
> Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really
> sure how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects
> grant requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's
> the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.
>
>
>
> Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after
> Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their
> coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a
> working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different
> AP, etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it
> can be confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of
> these you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in
> cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> CBRS isn’t simple.
>
>
>
> One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out
> frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You
> still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just
> like unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than
> that, it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is
> right next to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.
>
>
>
> I’m not loo

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Bill Prince]

  
  
This may only be an Android feature, and maybe only V10 and up
  (because I ain't going back), but the video recorder offers a
  couple of options when doing video. One is to do 30 fps instead f
  60 fps. The other is to use H.264.
I did have to do a short video the other day, and I think it
  offered me the option of lowering the resolution a bit. That said,
  a 10 second video still consumed 20 MB. I was trying to squeeze it
  down b/c the person I was doing it for asked me to email it. 20 MB
  in an email is still a push, so we ended up putting it in DropBox.



bp



On 7/27/2020 1:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
I expect they’ll do both.
 
But are you planning to only use 3650-3700
  because it’s dedicated GAA?  In 3550-3650 I don’t think
  there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL licensed don’t
  come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs
  per county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz,
  but I don’t think you can predict which channels would always
  be GAA, other than the old NN 50 MHz.
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Josh
Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450
    CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

  Do you think the company that spend
millions to operate in their PAL blocks would be willing to
operate in GAA at all?

  

  

   

Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373
  

  
   

 

  
On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken
  Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
  
  

  
But
  I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we
  get kicked off a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can
  experience the telco firing up 80 MHz channels in GAA
  and causing interference, but our grant won’t be
  withdrawn.
 
But
  what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a
  grant request, and the only way to accommodate their
  request is to repack and assign us a new frequency. 
  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different
  channel.  Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically
  get moved to a different channel, or a narrower one,
  or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess
  is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes
  our customers are down, and we have to manually
  determine and submit a different grant request to get
  a new channel.  And we would need to quickly determine
  which channel to request because some could be
  occupied by other GAA users and there would be
  interference.
 
Or
  will it happen automagically and I’m being too
  pessimistic?  Not really sure how auto would work.  It
  seems like the SAS only approves or rejects grant
  requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.
 

  From:
AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium
        450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

  If
all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80
MHz of GAA.  That's the worst case scenario!  Before
this I had 50 MHz in NN.
  
 
  
  
Now
  I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement
  and especially after Friday's issues showing what
  can happen when someone needed to plug their
  coffee

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Ken Hohhof]

I expect they’ll do both.

 

But are you planning to only use 3650-3700 because it’s dedicated GAA?  In 
3550-3650 I don’t think there’s dedicated GAA and PAL channels, and PAL 
licensed don’t come with assigned channels.  So the limit on number of PALs per 
county mean there would be at most 7 PALs in that 100 MHz, but I don’t think 
you can predict which channels would always be GAA, other than the old NN 50 
MHz.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks 
would be willing to operate in GAA at all?


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off a 
channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz 
channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.

 

But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and the 
only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new 
frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.  Is 
it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, or a 
narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess is our grant 
just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers are down, and we have 
to manually determine and submit a different grant request to get a new 
channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which channel to request 
because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there would be 
interference.

 

Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really sure 
how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects grant 
requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's the 
worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.

 

Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after 
Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their 
coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a 
working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different AP, 
etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it can be 
confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of these you 
do from the device and the change just gets reflected in cnMaestro.

 

CBRS isn’t simple.

 

One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out 
frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You still 
have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just like 
unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than that, it 
will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is right next to you 
on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.

 

I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch of 
PALs.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told me 
the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine now. I'm 
actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works with the 450 
equipment.

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot the 
sucker.

 

Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to 
agree it's misleading.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 W

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

Do you think the company that spend millions to operate in their PAL blocks
would be willing to operate in GAA at all?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 3:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off
> a channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz
> channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.
>
>
>
> But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and
> the only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new
> frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.
> Is it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different
> channel, or a narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My
> guess is our grant just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers
> are down, and we have to manually determine and submit a different grant
> request to get a new channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which
> channel to request because some could be occupied by other GAA users and
> there would be interference.
>
>
>
> Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really
> sure how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects
> grant requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's
> the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.
>
>
>
> Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after
> Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their
> coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a
> working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different
> AP, etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it
> can be confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of
> these you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in
> cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> CBRS isn’t simple.
>
>
>
> One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out
> frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You
> still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just
> like unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than
> that, it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is
> right next to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.
>
>
>
> I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch
> of PALs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told
> me the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine
> now. I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works
> with the 450 equipment.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot
> the sucker.
>
>
>
> Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to
> agree it's misleading.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time
> talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are
> AWESOME. The whole "un-register

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Ken Hohhof]

But I don’t think we’ve experienced yet what happens if we get kicked off a 
channel.  Right now in GAA, we can experience the telco firing up 80 MHz 
channels in GAA and causing interference, but our grant won’t be withdrawn.

 

But what if the telco has a couple PALs and submits a grant request, and the 
only way to accommodate their request is to repack and assign us a new 
frequency.  We can still get a channel, but it may be a different channel.  Is 
it like DFS or LBT and we automatically get moved to a different channel, or a 
narrower one, or whatever?  Maybe, but I don’t think so.  My guess is our grant 
just gets withdrawn, and within 5 minutes our customers are down, and we have 
to manually determine and submit a different grant request to get a new 
channel.  And we would need to quickly determine which channel to request 
because some could be occupied by other GAA users and there would be 
interference.

 

Or will it happen automagically and I’m being too pessimistic?  Not really sure 
how auto would work.  It seems like the SAS only approves or rejects grant 
requests, it doesn’t generate them on your behalf.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's the 
worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.

 

Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after 
Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their 
coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a 
working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different AP, 
etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it can be 
confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of these you 
do from the device and the change just gets reflected in cnMaestro.

 

CBRS isn’t simple.

 

One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out 
frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You still 
have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just like 
unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than that, it 
will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is right next to you 
on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.

 

I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch of 
PALs.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told me 
the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine now. I'm 
actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works with the 450 
equipment.

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot the 
sucker.

 

Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to 
agree it's misleading.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time talking to 
a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are AWESOME. The 
whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently doesn't mean what I 
thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I needed to do. Thanks Matt 
for getting this ticket escalated. 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I got Kurt… he should be sorted.

 

(We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed and 
have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with CBRS in 
light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Mic

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

If all of them get bought I'm left with at minimum 80 MHz of GAA.  That's
the worst case scenario!  Before this I had 50 MHz in NN.

Now I'm not going to say I like the SAS requirement and especially after
Friday's issues showing what can happen when someone needed to plug their
coffee maker in, but any spectrum is a good asset.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a
> working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different
> AP, etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it
> can be confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of
> these you do from the device and the change just gets reflected in
> cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> CBRS isn’t simple.
>
>
>
> One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out
> frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You
> still have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just
> like unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than
> that, it will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is
> right next to you on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.
>
>
>
> I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch
> of PALs.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told
> me the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine
> now. I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works
> with the 450 equipment.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot
> the sucker.
>
>
>
> Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to
> agree it's misleading.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time
> talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are
> AWESOME. The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently
> doesn't mean what I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I
> needed to do. Thanks Matt for getting this ticket escalated.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I got Kurt… he should be sorted.
>
>
>
> (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed
> and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with
> CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the
> guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress
> and send him a nice email asking for help.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it
> gives me an error says "already synced"
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you
> have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Ken Hohhof]

Where it gets a little trickier is when you want to change parameters on a 
working system.  Like frequency, channel width, moving SM to a different AP, 
etc.  Cambium accommodates all of these with clever features, but it can be 
confusing to the operator if you don’t do it all the time.  Some of these you 
do from the device and the change just gets reflected in cnMaestro.

 

CBRS isn’t simple.

 

One other thing to get out of your brain is if you think the SAS hands out 
frequencies to GAA operators in a fashion that avoids interference.  You still 
have to do spectrum analysis and work around other operators just like 
unlicensed.  The SAS protects incumbents and PAL holders.  Other than that, it 
will happily give you a grant on 3555 even if another WISP is right next to you 
on 3555, at least that’s my understanding.

 

I’m not looking forward to what happens if/when the cellcos buy up a bunch of 
PALs.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 12:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment 
onboarding

 

The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told me 
the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine now. I'm 
actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works with the 450 
equipment.

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot the 
sucker.

 

Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to 
agree it's misleading.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time talking to 
a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are AWESOME. The 
whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently doesn't mean what I 
thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I needed to do. Thanks Matt 
for getting this ticket escalated. 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

I got Kurt… he should be sorted.

 

(We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed and 
have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with CBRS in 
light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).

 

Matt

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the guy 
sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress and send 
him a nice email asking for help.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it 
gives me an error says "already synced"

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you have 3 
days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

 

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

 

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED"

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

The GUI needs a bit of work, but otherwise it's ezpz.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:49 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told
> me the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine
> now. I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works
> with the 450 equipment.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot
>> the sucker.
>>
>> Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems
>> to agree it's misleading.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser <
>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time
>>> talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are
>>> AWESOME. The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently
>>> doesn't mean what I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I
>>> needed to do. Thanks Matt for getting this ticket escalated.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I got Kurt… he should be sorted.



 (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit
 overwhelmed and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue,
 especially with CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).



 Matt



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
 *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
 *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
 onboarding



 If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of
 the guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update
 progress and send him a nice email asking for help.



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding



 here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button
 it gives me an error says "already synced"



 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered
 you have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373





 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It
 shouldn’t take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through
 REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.



 The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even
 had them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do
 stuff.  The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and
 assigned to the right people.



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding



 ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing
 up in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4
 days, have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.



 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
 credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on 
 cnMaestro.



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
 *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding



 After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
 Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
 Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
 with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
 start on-boarding devices?

 --
 AF mailing list
 AF@af.afmug.com
 http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I got the AP "transmitting" now. Hooked a couple clients up. Cambium told
me the GUI will be addressed in a future version of CNMaestro. It's fine
now. I'm actually quite impressed with how well the grant process works
with the 450 equipment.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:25 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot
> the sucker.
>
> Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to
> agree it's misleading.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time
>> talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are
>> AWESOME. The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently
>> doesn't mean what I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I
>> needed to do. Thanks Matt for getting this ticket escalated.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I got Kurt… he should be sorted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit
>>> overwhelmed and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue,
>>> especially with CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
>>> onboarding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of
>>> the guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update
>>> progress and send him a nice email asking for help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button
>>> it gives me an error says "already synced"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you
>>> have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It
>>> shouldn’t take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through
>>> REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even
>>> had them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do
>>> stuff.  The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and
>>> assigned to the right people.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing
>>> up in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4
>>> days, have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
>>> credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
>>> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
>>> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
>>> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
>>> start on-boarding devices?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Josh Luthman]

I was going to say this means you're all set, throw it up there and boot
the sucker.

Not sure how they're going to solve the GUI problem, but everyone seems to
agree it's misleading.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 12:03 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time
> talking to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are
> AWESOME. The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently
> doesn't mean what I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I
> needed to do. Thanks Matt for getting this ticket escalated.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I got Kurt… he should be sorted.
>>
>>
>>
>> (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit
>> overwhelmed and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue,
>> especially with CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
>> onboarding
>>
>>
>>
>> If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the
>> guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress
>> and send him a nice email asking for help.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>
>>
>>
>> here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button
>> it gives me an error says "already synced"
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you
>> have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It
>> shouldn’t take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through
>> REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.
>>
>>
>>
>> The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even
>> had them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do
>> stuff.  The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and
>> assigned to the right people.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>
>>
>>
>> ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up
>> in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days,
>> have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
>> credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>>
>>
>>
>> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
>> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
>> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
>> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
>> start on-boarding devices?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Yes this was taken care of quickly on friday by Evan. My first time talking
to a level 3 engineer with Cambium and I will say these guys are AWESOME.
The whole "un-registered" status in CnMaestro apparently doesn't mean what
I thought it did. Hitting the "sync" button is what I needed to do. Thanks
Matt for getting this ticket escalated.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:56 PM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
wrote:

> I got Kurt… he should be sorted.
>
>
>
> (We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed
> and have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with
> CBRS in light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment
> onboarding
>
>
>
> If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the
> guy sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress
> and send him a nice email asking for help.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it
> gives me an error says "already synced"
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you
> have 3 days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It
> shouldn’t take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through
> REGISTERED to GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.
>
>
>
> The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had
> them remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.
> The trick may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to
> the right people.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up
> in Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days,
> have a ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the
> credentials each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding
>
>
>
> After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from
> Federated Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated
> Wireless system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account
> with CN Maestro and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to
> start on-boarding devices?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

I got Kurt… he should be sorted.

(We don’t ignore tickets… sometimes the support guys get a bit overwhelmed and 
have to play catch-up, working to reduce that issue, especially with CBRS in 
light of the upcoming October death of Part 90!).

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 4:17 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

If Cambium support is ignoring your ticket, grab the email address of the guy 
sending out emails about the cnMaestro Cloud software update progress and send 
him a nice email asking for help.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 3:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

here is what i am seeing in CNMaestro as soon as i hit the start button it 
gives me an error says "already synced"

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:29 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Unregistered means you didn't start the process.  Once is registered you have 3 
days for the AP/SM to grab the grant.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Did you click the START button in Services>CBRS>Management Tool?  It shouldn’t 
take more than a minute or two.  Actually it should go through REGISTERED to 
GRANT to APPROVED pretty quick.

The cnMaestro CBRS support folks are actually very helpful.  I’ve even had them 
remote control my screen, fix things, and teach me how to do stuff.  The trick 
may be getting the ticket past Level 1 support and assigned to the right people.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 10:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

ok thats what i thought, i did all that have two AP's that are showing up in 
Maestro but CBRS status is "UNREGISTERED", has been that way for 4 days, have a 
ticket in with cambium for the last 3 days and nothing so far.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:48 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
You only need the account with Cambium.  But the CPI enters the credentials 
each time he/she enters data, you can’t store them on cnMaestro.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 CBRS / SAS equipment onboarding

After someone takes the CPI test and gets the CPI certificate from Federated 
Wireless, do you then have to create an account on the Federated Wireless 
system controller website or can you just start a CBRS account with CN Maestro 
and upload the certificate on CN Maestro to then be able to start on-boarding 
devices?
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