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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Jones

I'm hearing a house needs to burn down

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 9:44 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> That is true, but I hear houses burn down sometimes...
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you
>> three tecate to agree
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread James Howard

You should try a $7 bill and see what results you get.

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Apparently $5 isn't enough anymore, inflation you know...

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:14 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I used to be pretty good at slipping the door man or hostess some green to get 
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For the past 5-10 years they do not seem to be agreeable to that anymore.  One 
place told me it was due to tax implications.
Red Iguana could be softened up with $5 years ago.  Now they look at you like 
you are a criminal.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you three 
tecate to agree

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I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Apparently $5 isn't enough anymore, inflation you know...



On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:14 PM  wrote:

> I used to be pretty good at slipping the door man or hostess some green to
> get to the front of the line.
> For the past 5-10 years they do not seem to be agreeable to that anymore.
> One place told me it was due to tax implications.
> Red Iguana could be softened up with $5 years ago.  Now they look at you
> like you are a criminal.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?
>
> That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you
> three tecate to agree
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mathew Howard

That is true, but I hear houses burn down sometimes...

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:54 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you
> three tecate to agree
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread chuck

I used to be pretty good at slipping the door man or hostess some green to get 
to the front of the line. 
For the past 5-10 years they do not seem to be agreeable to that anymore.  One 
place told me it was due to tax implications.  
Red Iguana could be softened up with $5 years ago.  Now they look at you like 
you are a criminal.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 7:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you three 
tecate to agree

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, there 
seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Jones

That doesnt happen. Everything is always on the up and up. I'll throw you
three tecate to agree

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:00 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Jaime Solorza

I have $20.00 if you need to grease some palms..

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 6:11 PM Dev  wrote:

> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread chuck

I remember that day.  I was fixing a phone in a farm outbuilding.

From: Chuck Macenski 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

+1 to the Alexander Haig comment

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he 
didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig moment, 
but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not a power 
grab IMHO.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

  Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this admin, 
but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   

Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an 
emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to 
request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency 
that prompted the STA in the first place.

Mark

  On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. 
You're saying the oval office is involved in this?

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States 
call[ing] the shots” decides on when this is over.  

The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf

The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of 
the land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where 
the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want 
to do anyway.

So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an 
industry can show it being used responsibly the better.

Mark

  On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?

  On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been 
more dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 

Mark

  On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  
wrote:

  And they are beautiful!
  8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

  On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the 
original letter and could be used with notification to the other license 
holders in the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your 
own application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
the FCC.

Yes, they are in use.

Mark

  On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:

  Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It 
appears the STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on 
here. I was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some 
resistance by some group. 

  On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  
wrote:

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we 
could get an extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 
months, there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC 
commissioners. Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Chuck Macenski

+1 to the Alexander Haig comment

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he
> didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig
> moment, but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not
> a power grab IMHO.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?
>
>
>
> Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this
> admin, but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
>
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>
>
>
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>
>
>
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
> want to do anyway.
>
>
>
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
> channels.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
>
>
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
> with the FCC.
>
>
>
> Yes, they are in use.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Ken Hohhof

Not good when you proudly compare yourself to Captain Bligh.  At least he 
didn’t choose Captain Queeg.  I was thinking it was his Alexander Haig moment, 
but Haig kind of got a raw deal, that was just a PR blunder and not a power 
grab IMHO.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 10:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

 

Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this admin, 
but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   

 

Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an emergency 
near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to request an 
extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency that prompted 
the STA in the first place.

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. You're 
saying the oval office is involved in this?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
shots” decides on when this is over.  

 

The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf

 

The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the land. 
  This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where the FCC 
gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want to do 
anyway.

 

So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an industry 
can show it being used responsibly the better.

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?

 

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 

 

Mark





On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey mailto:m...@broadband.vi> > wrote:

 

And they are beautiful!
8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter and 
could be used with notification to the other license holders in the state.  A 
condition of the grant was that you had to make your own application for the 
STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those applications, as best I can 
tell, are still working through the process with the FCC.

 

Yes, they are in use.

 

Mark





On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the STA's 
never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I was told 
the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance by some 
group. 

 

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Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Jones

Oh, lol, I thought you were serious. that was a disaster. I like this
admin, but I wouldnt be surprised if they has stuck their fingers in this

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
>> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>>
>> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>>
>> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
>> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
>> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
>> want to do anyway.
>>
>> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
>> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>>
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>>> with the FCC.
>>>
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>>> by some group.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
 Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

So right now only the original WISPS that filed for the emergency use can
operate which we are one of those WISPS and we did file for the STA within
10 days and we did notify the other license holders in the state. Thanks
for clarifying Mark.


On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 9:41 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.
>
> Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an
> emergency near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position
> to request an extension based on conditions being unchanged from the
> emergency that prompted the STA in the first place.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
> You're saying the oval office is involved in this?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
>> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>>
>> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
>> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>>
>> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
>> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
>> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
>> want to do anyway.
>>
>> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
>> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>>
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>>
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>>> with the FCC.
>>>
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>>> by some group.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
 Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh

No, it was a commentary on Potus and his news conference yesterday.   

Being serious now - if the federal government says we are still in an emergency 
near the STA’s expiration date I think we are in a good position to request an 
extension based on conditions being unchanged from the emergency that prompted 
the STA in the first place.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences. You're 
> saying the oval office is involved in this?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
> shots” decides on when this is over.  
> 
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf 
> 
> 
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the 
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where 
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they 
> want to do anyway.
> 
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an 
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones > > wrote:
>> 
>> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh > > wrote:
>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
>> channels. 
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> And they are beautiful!
>>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>> 
>>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>> 
>>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
>>> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
>>> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
>>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
>>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process 
>>> with the FCC.
>>> 
>>> Yes, they are in use.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
 On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >>> > wrote:
 
 Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
 STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
 was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some 
 resistance by some group. 
 
 On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev >>> > wrote:
 Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
 extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
 there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Jones

I didnt see these STAs come up in any of the POTUS press conferences.
You're saying the oval office is involved in this?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 8:18 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing]
> the shots” decides on when this is over.
>
> The bigger picture at play is this NPRM:
> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf
>
> The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the
> land.   This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where
> the FCC gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they
> want to do anyway.
>
> So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an
> industry can show it being used responsibly the better.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
>> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
>> channels.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>>
>> And they are beautiful!
>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>>
>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>>
>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
>> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
>> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
>> with the FCC.
>>
>> Yes, they are in use.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
>> by some group.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh

I guess it depends on what “The president of the United States call[ing] the 
shots” decides on when this is over.  

The bigger picture at play is this NPRM: 
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-360940A1.pdf 


The FCC has an open proceeding to make the STA’s the permanent law of the land. 
  This is one of those ’never let a crisis go to waste’ moments where the FCC 
gets to make the facts on the ground match up with something they want to do 
anyway.

So yes, I do see this as becoming permanent, and the more use we as an industry 
can show it being used responsibly the better.

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?
> 
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
> channels. 
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey > > wrote:
>> 
>> And they are beautiful!
>> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> 
>> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
>> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
>> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
>> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
>> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
>> the FCC.
>> 
>> Yes, they are in use.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
>>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
>>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance 
>>> by some group. 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev >> > wrote:
>>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
>>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
>>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
>>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be 
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Steve Jones

Are you anticipating an extension or grant of permanence?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:58 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more
> dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz
> channels.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
>
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
>
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original
> letter and could be used with notification to the other license holders in
> the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process
> with the FCC.
>
> Yes, they are in use.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Some of our 450m’s have seen subtle improvements, others have been more 
dramatic.  Nice to have some breathing room to push AP’s from 20 to 30Mhz 
channels. 

Mark

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 6:56 AM, Mike Meluskey  wrote:
> 
> And they are beautiful!
> 8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s
> 
> On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> 
> The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter 
> and could be used with notification to the other license holders in the 
> state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to make your own 
> application for the STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those 
> applications, as best I can tell, are still working through the process with 
> the FCC.
> 
> Yes, they are in use.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > > wrote:
>> 
>> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the 
>> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I 
>> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance 
>> by some group. 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev > > wrote:
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. 
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from 
>> the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mike Meluskey


And they are beautiful!
8x8 MIMO for our 450m’s

On 14 Apr 2020, at 6:25, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original 
letter and could be used with notification to the other license 
holders in the state.  A condition of the grant was that you had to 
make your own application for the STA under the company name within 10 
days.   Those applications, as best I can tell, are still working 
through the process with the FCC.


Yes, they are in use.

Mark

On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
 wrote:


Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears 
the STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on 
here. I was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of 
some resistance by some group.


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev > wrote:
Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get 
an extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 
months, there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC 
commissioners. Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much 
interest there would be from the community. No promises, but how 
useful would this be for you all?

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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Radabaugh

The STA’s for the original applicants were granted with the original letter and 
could be used with notification to the other license holders in the state.  A 
condition of the grant was that you had to make your own application for the 
STA under the company name within 10 days.   Those applications, as best I can 
tell, are still working through the process with the FCC.

Yes, they are in use.

Mark

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:48 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  
> wrote:
> 
> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the STA's 
> never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I was told 
> the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance by some 
> group. 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  > wrote:
> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, 
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
> Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from the 
> community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-13 Thread Steve Jones

I thought it was the opposite and they were in production but there is such
a huge influx of new requests that it will be forever to get grants because
each has to be looked at by a human

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:49 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
> STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
> was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
> by some group.
>
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
>> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
>> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
>> Both Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be
>> from the community. No promises, but how useful would this be for you all?
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-13 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Very useful but is anyone even operational on 5.9 today? It appears the
STA's never got granted from what I read in some other threads on here. I
was told the FCC backed out of issuing the STA's because of some resistance
by some group.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:11 PM Dev  wrote:

> Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an
> extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months,
> there seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners.
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[AFMUG] 5.9 extension?

2020-04-13 Thread Dev

Talking to Congress folks/WISPA about pushing to see if we could get an 
extension on the 60 day 5.9 spectrum to something more like 6-12 months, there 
seems to be an interest in raising the issue to FCC commissioners. Both 
Senator/WISPA folks want to judge how much interest there would be from the 
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