Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
I did my CPI training through Coursera for I think $500. It was either
$499 or $599.
The CPI is personally responsible for the accuracy of data entered into
the SAS, but no they don't have to be on site for the install. It's
sufficient to get data from the installer. In the course, they
suggested getting the installer to photo document what they've done.
The worst consequence of incorrect data is getting your CPI revoked, but
it seems more likely they'll want to work with you to improve things first.
On 5/10/2020 3:04 AM, Timothy Steele wrote:
Yes it's a brand new WISP owner only
he was asking if I can get CPI Trained but I'm not even in the states
right now
from what I was reading on it sounds like the CPI needs to be on-site
and supervise the install
On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:37 AM Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are
doing. Somebody at that company really should do the
certification, contracted CPI input just begs for a disaster years
down the road. I cant see any CPI giving up their credentials to a
non employer for SAS management. I know I wouldn't.
On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation
despite the title, right?
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*Subject:* [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer
Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area?
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Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
Having transitioned existing customers over and now hooking up new ones, I agree with what is mentioned below. If you are going to be doing CBRS just take the course and get the certification. You can have a remote person do it but the CPI has responsibility for the data in the SAS and any CPI who takes it seriously will want to do some kind of review of the data. I don’t think too many CPIs would hand over their certificate and password so that means on every install the WISP would have to reach out to the CPI to get the CPI to register the radio. Even if the CPI only charges $25 to register each install it won’t be long before it would be cheaper to pay the money and get registered. It only takes an afternoon. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: AF on behalf of Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 7:26:34 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN The CPI certifies that the lat/lon, antenna height, azimuth, radio model and SN, and antenna model are correct as submitted to the SAS. Also frequency, channel width and EIRP, but you request those and the SAS grants them. For CPE installs, if you know the lat/lon, you know the azimuth. In most cases someone at the office will provide the radio and antenna for the installer and will therefore be able to get that info. The requirements for horizontal and vertical location accuracy are loose enough that in most cases you can easily meet them without being on site, for example from Google Earth. If the physical installer is provided with a handheld GPS, and takes a cellphone photo of the install, it is reasonable for the CPI to verify and enter this information without having to be onsite. It is actually easier for new installs. We transitioned a lot of existing 3.65 customers to CBRS. I would say I had to go out and verify at most 10% of them because we didn’t have good records of exactly where on the property the CPE was installed. A couple I used a laser rangefinder to determine AGL, but mostly because I was there and I had one, it is honestly overkill except maybe for tower sites where you don’t know the exact height. If the CPE is on a customer’s TV tower, you can count 10 ft sections to get the height. IMHO, the new WISP owner should pay the money and take the time for the online course and exam. It’s not hard. He will learn some stuff about CBRS, and will have his own CPI credentials for adding and modifying data in the SAS, you really don’t want to be reliant on an outside contractor for this. In the grand scheme of getting CBRS working in your network, CPI credentials are a small piece. Just do it. He is using CBRS, right? Otherwise, this is all moot. From: AF On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN Yes it's a brand new WISP owner only he was asking if I can get CPI Trained but I'm not even in the states right now from what I was reading on it sounds like the CPI needs to be on-site and supervise the install On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:37 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are doing. Somebody at that company really should do the certification, contracted CPI input just begs for a disaster years down the road. I cant see any CPI giving up their credentials to a non employer for SAS management. I know I wouldn't. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the title, right? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
The CPI certifies that the lat/lon, antenna height, azimuth, radio model and SN, and antenna model are correct as submitted to the SAS. Also frequency, channel width and EIRP, but you request those and the SAS grants them. For CPE installs, if you know the lat/lon, you know the azimuth. In most cases someone at the office will provide the radio and antenna for the installer and will therefore be able to get that info. The requirements for horizontal and vertical location accuracy are loose enough that in most cases you can easily meet them without being on site, for example from Google Earth. If the physical installer is provided with a handheld GPS, and takes a cellphone photo of the install, it is reasonable for the CPI to verify and enter this information without having to be onsite. It is actually easier for new installs. We transitioned a lot of existing 3.65 customers to CBRS. I would say I had to go out and verify at most 10% of them because we didn’t have good records of exactly where on the property the CPE was installed. A couple I used a laser rangefinder to determine AGL, but mostly because I was there and I had one, it is honestly overkill except maybe for tower sites where you don’t know the exact height. If the CPE is on a customer’s TV tower, you can count 10 ft sections to get the height. IMHO, the new WISP owner should pay the money and take the time for the online course and exam. It’s not hard. He will learn some stuff about CBRS, and will have his own CPI credentials for adding and modifying data in the SAS, you really don’t want to be reliant on an outside contractor for this. In the grand scheme of getting CBRS working in your network, CPI credentials are a small piece. Just do it. He is using CBRS, right? Otherwise, this is all moot. From: AF On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN Yes it's a brand new WISP owner only he was asking if I can get CPI Trained but I'm not even in the states right now from what I was reading on it sounds like the CPI needs to be on-site and supervise the install On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:37 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are doing. Somebody at that company really should do the certification, contracted CPI input just begs for a disaster years down the road. I cant see any CPI giving up their credentials to a non employer for SAS management. I know I wouldn't. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the title, right? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
Yes it's a brand new WISP owner only he was asking if I can get CPI Trained but I'm not even in the states right now from what I was reading on it sounds like the CPI needs to be on-site and supervise the install On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 4:37 AM Steve Jones wrote: > This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are doing. > Somebody at that company really should do the certification, contracted CPI > input just begs for a disaster years down the road. I cant see any CPI > giving up their credentials to a non employer for SAS management. I know I > wouldn't. > > On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the >> title, right? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele >> *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN >> >> >> >> have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer >> >> >> >> Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
This sounds like a WISP that needs to be educated on what they are doing. Somebody at that company really should do the certification, contracted CPI input just begs for a disaster years down the road. I cant see any CPI giving up their credentials to a non employer for SAS management. I know I wouldn't. On Sat, May 9, 2020, 8:37 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the > title, right? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele > *Sent:* Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN > > > > have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer > > > > Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
They do know that a CPI doesn’t necessarily do installation despite the title, right? From: AF On Behalf Of Timothy Steele Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 8:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN have a WISP asking me for a CPI Certified installer Does anyone know of a contractor in the TN area? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] CPI certified installer in TN
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