Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-11-01 Thread dmmoffett 
One more note on this topic for our mutual education:

We had an IP block acquired from Cogent where we submitted geolocation
updates, but things kept reverting back to "Albany, NY"

That's because Cogent had a geofeed specifying Albany, NY for the whole /19.
We were advised to make our own geofeed and publish it as smaller blocks
because not unlike IP routing the longer subnet mask wins in most cases.

 

So empirically this RFC method does work with at least some of the
geolocation providers.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 3:15 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: Geolocation updates

 

I guess the long term answer to this is going to be RFC8805 and RFC9092.

You stick a CSV file on the web matching your IP blocks to a city and state,
then add a comment on your IP Blocks with ARIN which contains a URL to the
geofeed CSV.

 

The geolocation providers who support this will periodically check ARIN
WHOIS for those URL's and then once they have it they'll refresh multiple
times per day.  

If they have other data they think is more accurate they can use that, but
it lets you prime them with at least the right city and state.

 

-Adam

 

 

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To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Geolocation updates

 

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-31 Thread dmmoffett 
I guess the long term answer to this is going to be RFC8805 and RFC9092.

You stick a CSV file on the web matching your IP blocks to a city and state,
then add a comment on your IP Blocks with ARIN which contains a URL to the
geofeed CSV.

 

The geolocation providers who support this will periodically check ARIN
WHOIS for those URL's and then once they have it they'll refresh multiple
times per day.  

If they have other data they think is more accurate they can use that, but
it lets you prime them with at least the right city and state.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:03 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Geolocation updates

 

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-23 Thread Steve Jones 
last time we got now blocks it took almost a year and a half to get them
cleaned up, a few emails to the NANOG list, some custting, some colorful
emails to sysop nerds at various locations, we still periodically run into
issues with some smaller banks who host with some software firewalls at
their webhost

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 8:09 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> You can hope, but that will probably never happen.  It's just the way it
> is.
>
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:00 PM  wrote:
>
>> I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the
>> channels from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.
>>
>> Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t
>> believe all of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and
>> don’t talk to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad
>> revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we
>> don’t have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I
>> haven’t dug into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized
>> affidavit attached to your request for changes.  I have no idea why they
>> placed some of our IP’s on the wrong side of the state, but apparently they
>> didn’t require a sworn and notarized affidavit to screw it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>>
>>
>>
>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>>
>> Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
>> blocks?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must
>> be smaller ones that key off of larger ones.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-23 Thread Josh Luthman 
You can hope, but that will probably never happen.  It's just the way it is.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 10:00 PM  wrote:

> I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the
> channels from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.
>
> Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?
>
>
>
> I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t
> believe all of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and
> don’t talk to each other.
>
>
>
> Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad
> revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we
> don’t have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I
> haven’t dug into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized
> affidavit attached to your request for changes.  I have no idea why they
> placed some of our IP’s on the wrong side of the state, but apparently they
> didn’t require a sworn and notarized affidavit to screw it up.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>
>
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
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> Image removed by sender.]
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> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
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> Image removed by sender.]
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> removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: Image removed by
> sender.]
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>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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> *From: *dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Geolocation updates
>
> Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
> blocks?
>
>
>
> I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
> smaller ones that key off of larger ones.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-22 Thread dmmoffett 
I see the mention of Hulu on that page.  Someone’s Hulu TV has the channels 
from another market which is what prompted today’s musings.

Will the “IP Admin” at Hulu override stuff?

 

I have a similar list of geolocation providers already, but I can’t believe all 
of these ding dongs have completely separate databases and don’t talk to each 
other.  

 

Also, since it’s now a thing that is service affecting and impacts TV ad 
revenue, I hope to hell ARIN or someone starts a central repository so we don’t 
have to update a dozen different people if something changes.  I haven’t dug 
into all of them yet, but IP2Location wants a notarized affidavit attached to 
your request for changes.  I have no idea why they placed some of our IP’s on 
the wrong side of the state, but apparently they didn’t require a sworn and 
notarized affidavit to screw it up. 

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 2:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

 

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/



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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new blocks?

 

I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be 
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-22 Thread Mike Hammett 
https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 




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Mike Hammett 
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From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:03:19 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Geolocation updates 



Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new blocks? 

I can’t believe they all have their own separate databases. There must be 
smaller ones that key off of larger ones. 


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[AFMUG] Geolocation updates

2023-10-22 Thread dmmoffett 
Which services do you need to update when you move IP blocks or get new
blocks?

 

I can't believe they all have their own separate databases.  There must be
smaller ones that key off of larger ones.  

 

 

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